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More trade talk: Looking at the Lightning

This morning, the Tampa Bay Lightning sit 11th in the Eastern Conference, nine points out of a playoff spot. They have six wins in their last seven games, making them one of the hottest teams in the East, but they still have a lot of ground to make up in order to get close to competing for the post-season.

Tampa has 11 games between now and the Feb. 27 NHL trade deadline. In the event that the Lightning can't make up some, most, or all of that massive gap, GM Steve Yzerman may be looking to off-load some of his expiring or undesirable contracts. If the Senators remain in the thick of the playoff hunt (and, unfortunately, the current six-game losing streak is making that less likely), you would expect Bryan Murray to kick the tires on some players to see whether or not there's a fix.

According to John Fontana from Raw Charge, there seem to be four Lightning players who might be available for trade: Dominic Moore, Steve Downie, Pavel Kubina and Ryan Malone. Each brings some value to the table, and each comes with some question marks.

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Dominic Moore

#19 / Center / Tampa Bay Lightning

6-0

192

Aug 03, 1980


Seldom does a year go by when Moore isn't moved at or near the trade deadline. In January 2008, he was waived by the Minnesota Wild and picked up by the Toronto Maple Leafs; in March 2009, he was traded by the Leafs to the Buffalo Sabres; in February 2010 he was moved from the Florida Panthers to the Montreal Canadiens; and he (finally) made it through a trade deadline without movement last year. For 2012, though, he looks like he might be on the move again. He is a pending UFA.

Moore's having a decent yet unspectacular season this year, with 19P (4G, 15A) in 51GP while averaging 16:14 TOI/G. That's near his career pace, but Moore can't be counted on to provide steady, reliable offence for a team heading to the playoffs. He's a decent utility player who can be moved up in the event of injuries, but shouldn't be seen as more than that. The return for Moore has historically been a second-round pick, but I'd be shocked if the Lightning got that much in exchange. Expect a third- or fourth-rounder to be enough to acquire Moore.

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Steve Downie

#9 / Right Wing / Tampa Bay Lightning

5-11

191

Apr 03, 1987


Downie is an interesting case. As unpopular as he is in Ottawa (and for good reason), Downie's proven a useful player, and one who can put reasonable offensive numbers when he's on the right line; this year, he has 23P (8G, 15A) in 48GP. However, since his line has historically included one of, if not the, best player in the game today, the asking price for Downie will likely be as inflated as his offensive numbers are. He's a good player, but rarely creates offence on his own.

What Downie does create on his own, though, is havoc. He's a pest, and he's an effective one. He leads the Lightning in PIM with 119 so far, more than twice as many as the next Tampa player. Only 52 of those minutes (26 penalties) have been minors, but special teams become that much more important in the post-season, those minors can be killers. If Downie becomes available, the pending RFA will find some takers from around the league, but given the abundance of pests and physical players on Ottawa, I don't think he's a fit for the Senators--especially since he'll likely net a pretty good return for Tampa.

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Pavel Kubina

#13 / Defenseman / Tampa Bay Lightning

6-4

258

Apr 15, 1977


One player who I've mentioned before and who strikes me as a good fit for Ottawa is Kubina. He's only got 11P (3G, 8A) in 47GP this season, but he's just 34 years old and remains a big (6'4", 238 lbs) and capable defender for whoever his team is. He's been credited with 80 hits, 87 shot-blocks, and averages 19:50 TOI/G. He's set to earn $3.85M this season, and is a pending UFA.

He doesn't play a lot of PP time, but Kubina's got a heck of a shot (seriously, check out his highlight reel--he doesn't score much, but when he does, it's because of his shot) and decent instincts offensively. He'd certainly be an upgrade on Brian Lee or Matt Carkner in the lineup, and would probably allow Chris Phillips and Jared Cowen to be relied on less, which looks like a necessary change on the blue line. The biggest problem with Kubina will be the asking price--suitors will look at a second-round pick as the starting point for negotiations, and it will likely go up from there.

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Ryan Malone

#12 / Left Wing / Tampa Bay Lightning

6-4

219

Dec 01, 1979


Finally, we come to Ryan Malone, the only of the four players with term remaining on his contract: Malone is slated to earn $4.5M this year, and for three more after. And he has a no-movement clause for this season and next. But he's scored 27P (10G, 17A) in 41GP this year, and would become the closest thing to a true power-forward on the Senators lineup since Radek Bonk's days (if you can call Bonk a power forward). Malone is still only 32 years old, so he should have some good years ahead of him, and might be a good mentor for guys like Colin Greening and Nick Foligno. He'd also fit in well with either Ottawa's top line (alongside Jason Spezza and Milan Michalek) or the second line (with Kyle Turris and Daniel Alfredsson), giving Paul MacLean a lot more options than he has today, and seriously upgrading Ottawa's top-six forward corps.

It's difficult projecting what kind of return would be required for Malone. The Lightning are not interested in just giving him away, but with a heck of a lot of money owed to Vincent Lecavalier and Steven Stamkos for a long time, and decent coin going to Martin St. Louis too, Tampa would probably like a bit more flexibility. The Senators could afford to absorb Malone's contract for the next three seasons while awaiting big money contracts for their up-and-coming prospects, especially once Daniel Alfredsson's contract comes off the books. (Sniff... ) Few teams have the cap room or willingness to pick up a contract

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So, which--if any--of these players would you like the Senators to acquire?

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Which potentially available Tampa Bay Lightning player would you most like the Ottawa Senators to acquire?
Steve Downie
25 votes
Pavel Kubina
27 votes
Ryan Malone
99 votes
Dominic Moore
14 votes
None of the above
129 votes

294 votes | Poll has closed

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paying malone 4.5 until he is 34-35

isn’t something I find particularly attractive, but of the 4, he’s the most intriguing for sure.

by DaveYoung on Feb 6, 2012 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

I voted for Malone

Primarily because I’m not interested in rentals. I think if we’re giving up rebuild assets (prospects, picks) it can’t be for rental players.

by Amelia L on Feb 6, 2012 10:12 AM EST reply actions  

Malone or Kubina fill needs we have right now

Downie’s role can be done by Rooster/Neil/Zmith, while Moore would just be a 3rd/4th line guy, of which we have lots. And I’d rather call up an AHL guy for that then give up a late pick for him.

Of the two Malone’s contract is interesting, and buys us time to have 5 D-men while our others mature (Karlsson, Cowen, Gonch, Phillips + Malone).

At the same time, I’d gladly take Stamkos off the Lightning’s hands. Just think of the cap flexibility they’ll have then!

by The Tif on Feb 6, 2012 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

I'd like both, too

Malone and Kubina for some package… not sure what it would take, but if the price is right, I’d love to acquire both of them.

by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 6, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

i voted Kubina

we need some steadying on our back-end, that’s pretty evident. However, I’m not sure what the fit is supposed to be with Malone when we have Neil and Zsmith – is the idea to show Burke what a really truculent line-up looks like? Bringing Malone in doesn’t really help our offense in a meaningful way and he’s obviously not bumpting Neil and Zsmith out of the line-up. Why would we then go and just make our bottom 6 more expensive? It seems to me consistent scoring in our top 6 is the problem. If this is a swap out for Foligno, i’d like to see how that’s argued in favour of Malone – Foligno has more upside, in my opinion (not to mention being cheaper).

by west-sider on Feb 6, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Malone wouldn't be bottom 6

He’d fit in both top lines. He’s the type of guy who crashes the net, and besides Neil, we don’t really have that. Foligno’s physical, good on the boards, but doesn’t really crash the net.

by I Still Miss Hossa!!! on Feb 6, 2012 12:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yep Kubina would be an upgrade on 5/6

but wouldn’t want to give anything of value away to get him.

by Joebo on Feb 6, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

steven downie

so he can get his ass kicked properly. other than that, no one on that list.

by AAZZ on Feb 6, 2012 10:44 AM EST reply actions  

Malone

I voted for Malone. We could use an experienced Power Forward.

Also, Kubina has a limited NTC, whatever that means. He’s a little expensive at $3.85 million, but he’d probably fit in well.

No thanks with Downie. We get enough practice on the PK already. If we want to get fair treatment from the refs, then predator goons like Downie is the wrong direction to look.

Surely Steve Y and company wants to get a hold of some potential offence and we have some of that to trade.

by Marvellous on Feb 6, 2012 11:22 AM EST reply actions  

who produces roughly 40pts/season?

no thanks. I’d rather see our younger guys get the development opportunity and see what Foligno can do here since he seems to be the most obvious loser if we landed Malone. Our offense needs to get back into gear and Malone is not the answer to that, imo.

by west-sider on Feb 6, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Defence

Of the names mentioned, I went for Kubina. We’re back to the wrong side of a 3 GAA and back to a -10 goal differential. He’s the only one who fits a screaming need to box out the other team’s forwards and soak up some of the shots being poured in on our goaltender (Should be an (s) there, but really, we’re only playing one).

That being said, I don’t know if he’s the one we need but ideally we get a top 3 physical defender who can skate. Teh Leafs really exposed us on the back end.

by Be_rad on Feb 6, 2012 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

We should trade for kubina

Just to f*ck with bob cole. He’ll think he plays 50 minutes a night, since he can’t tell the difference between him and kuba

by John_9664 on Feb 6, 2012 12:19 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

I was just going to say that...

Cole called Kuba Kubina at least two or three times that I noticed on Saturday night. It was starting to drive me crazy. It’s bad enough that the geriatric can’t spot a difference between Karlsson and Gonchar…

ALFIE! ALFIE! ALFIE!

by BigSlice on Feb 6, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL.

That would be hilarious. Filip Kubina with the pass to Pavel Kuba!

by The Tif on Feb 6, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Good fit

Both would be a good fit. I see Malone like a Mike Knuble type player. Knuble has fit in well in Wsh, and if you watch, he keeps it simple. Goes to the net, uses his big frame to keep D’s busy. I think Malone is the same type of player. I noticed that we do a fairly good job on the boards, but in front of the net, we get pushed aside a bit. Greening’s not really ready for that type of play just yet I think.

Kubina is big a D who can skate better than Lee and Carkner (and Phillips). And he hits! Both fit well!

by I Still Miss Hossa!!! on Feb 6, 2012 12:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

so, do we need to make a trade instead of some good coaching?

it seems to me to give something up to get a Malone when we have players who should be coached to fill this role (Greening) doesn’t make much sense. I agree we have too much perimeter play going on and not enough ‘net presence’ but it’s not like we have a Montreal Canadiens problem where we seem(ed) to be lacking the bodies who could do that.

by west-sider on Feb 6, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

True

I think we are getting good coaching already. However, many young players need time to grow into their roles, which is where a veteran like Malone would come in handy. Greening wouldn’t have as much pressure (not that he has, I’m just speculating) to be in a role that maybe he’s not quite ready yet.

That’s all I’m saying

by I Still Miss Hossa!!! on Feb 6, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

i just don’t want us to take our eyes off the prize (a long-term sustainably good team) for the sake of a little short-term unpredicatbility, despite where we found ourselves in the standings before the all-star game. I think it’s a good idea to have mentors on the team but i think we need to be careful considering mentors for the many roles that are played on the ice cause these all mean bumping someone out of the regular rotation (not to mention giving up an asset).

by west-sider on Feb 6, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

We do have some good young players coming, and our Defense is way more in need than our Offense I think. I guess I find it enticing because we’ve never really had a true power forward, and Malone might be available for cheaper than we think, for the reasons Peter mentioned.

Maybe a risk worth taking, if the price is right of course.

But you’re right, might not be worth it if it bumps someone else off the regular rotation

by I Still Miss Hossa!!! on Feb 6, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

ohhhh, gone are the days...

I remember a reliable defender by the name of david hale coming in and settling the blue line boys down a bit. where oh where?
I’m going off the board and voting for option “F” – sit carkner/cowen or gonchar, call up gryba. bobbie butler rides the press box, call up The Klinkhammer. (just for shits and giggles because he has the best name…EVER!)
and make sure that spezza knows that he doesnt HAVE to be the play maker, he’s got a bomb of a clapper.

by spezzasbrother on Feb 7, 2012 6:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

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