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Silver Nuggets: Jason Spezza in Hart Trophy conversation

Today in the Ottawa Sun, Don Brennan looked at the terrific season that Jason Spezza's having for the Ottawa Senators this season, and pondered something that's gained a lot more traction recently: Is the Senators All-Star centre in the running for the Hart Trophy as the league's most valuable player to his team?

He certainly has been over the last five games, in which Spezza has 13P (5G, 8A) for Ottawa. The streak has been instrumental in the Sens' current 3-0-1 streak, and has pushed Spezza way up in the scoring race--he's currently sitting fourth in the league in points with 63P (25G, 38A) in 60GP.

Quite simply, his importance to the team boils down to this: When Spezza's playing well, the team wins. When he's not, the team loses. And this season, the Sens have been winning more than losing, in large part due to Spezza's production.

Obviously, there are other players of import for Ottawa's success. Erik Karlsson's having a historic season, and should set some franchise records this year. Daniel Alfredsson's playing like a much younger man. Milan Michalek's finally stayed healthy, so success has come in droves. And Craig Anderson's carrying more than his fair share of the workload in net.

But even when those four are on their games, the team needs Jason Spezza to be playing his best to win games. And that's the best indicator for an MVP. His game has risen to a new level this season; aside from the scoring, Spezza's a much more responsible player. He's not committing as many dangerous giveaways, and when he does he's committing to backchecking regularly. More than ever, he's a leader and an example on the team.

Still, there are plenty of other very good candidates out there: Evgeni Malkin, Claude Giroux, Henrik Lundqvist, Pavel Datsyuk, Henrik Sedin, and even Phil Kessel need to be in the conversation.

Links after the jump.

Star-divide

Senators headlines:

  • Tim Wharnsby looks at the "swiftly rebuilt" Ottawa Senators during the lead-up to the trade deadline. I love the story's lede: "The Senators haven't won a playoff series since they lost to the Anaheim Ducks in the 2006-07 Stanley Cup final." Actually, the Senators haven't won a playoff series since they beat the Buffalo Sabres in the 2007 Eastern Conference final. How does this oversight make it to publication? (CBC)
  • Their father-son road trip is over, but the Senators are heating up again. (Citizen)
  • The good news: Scott Cullen considers Kyle Turris to be a "big-name NHL scorer." The bad news: He's currently mired in an ugly, ugly slump. (TSN)
  • On our consistent captain Daniel Alfredsson. (Sun)
  • Kaspars Daugavins sounds like one of the best teammates a pro can ask for, at least based on this pre-game warmup soccer competition anecdote. "Newwwwwww playyyyerrrr!" (Sun)
  • Although we've already heard about Andre Petersson's candid comments about Binghamton, this is new: The newspaper layout billed to difference between NHL and AHL as Himmel & Helvete: Heaven and Hell. (The 6th Sens)
  • Veterans Tim Conboy and Mark Parrish are poised to return to the Binghamton Senators lineup. (Press & Sun Bulletin)

Other headlines:

  • A look at the tight playoff race in the East, and the tough position the Toronto Maple Leafs' four-game losing skid put them in. (Toronto Star)
  • The Philadelphia Flyers acquired Nicklas Grossman from the Dallas Stars in exchange for a second- and a third-round draft pick. If that's the asking price for a middle-pairing defender, I highly doubt the Sens will be getting in on the action. (Broad Street Hockey)
  • Also setting the market was the San Jose Sharks' acquisition of Dominic Moore from the Tampa Bay Lightning for a second- and a seventh-round pick (curiously, the deal went down just hours before the two teams faced off against one another, so Moore walked from one dressing room to the other). That's a pretty steep price for a player who's a borderline second-line centreman. (Fear the Fin)
  • And hey, look, Seattle might get an NHL team. (Raw Charge)
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Should Jason Spezza be in the running for the Hart Trophy?
Yes
97 votes
Only if he keeps scoring at his current pace
188 votes
Not a chance
20 votes

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I'm just going to guess that CBC doesn't have a surplus of copy editors on the online sports desk.

And to be fair, it is technically correct, what he wrote. There is no factual problem with the statement.

by dzuunmod on Feb 17, 2012 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

I guess it's technically correct, yes

But it’s like saying, “The Sens haven’t won a playoff series since a week ago.” Of course they haven’t, but they didn’t win one a week ago, either; the convention is the use the last time the feat was accomplished as the baseline.

by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 17, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I get that.

Just saying that if I’d read the article before seeing this post, I probably wouldn’t have even noticed it. Or, if I had, it might’ve taken a few reads to figure out why it was troublesome.

by dzuunmod on Feb 17, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Fine, I'm a perfectionist

It wasn’t an egregious error, just not something I’d expect from CBC.

by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 17, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they're just stretched too thin.

Like most media these days. Copy editors are the first to go at many media org’s when there are cuts.

by dzuunmod on Feb 17, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, no. I'd expect it from the CBC.

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by Nightbreak on Feb 17, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Karlsson.

I would put Karlsson for Hart before Spezza. He’s been leading the attack since day one and has found an extra gear as well as improving his defense. Spezza is being Spezza, stretches where you don’t see him and stretches when he gets multi-pojnt games. For him to get the Hart I’d imagine it takes a 90-100 point season, +15 to +25 and the Senators challenging for home ice.

by Quizzical Quorum on Feb 17, 2012 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

Karlsson's been great, don't get me wrong

But I just don’t think he’s been as instrumental to the success of the team as Spezza has been. You take either of them out of the lineup and the team would be in trouble, but I think Spezza’s been better.

by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 17, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I have a hard time buying into that

The Senators still win on nights where Karlsson doesn’t produce. They don’t on nights where Spezza doesn’t. If team wins are what we use to determine MVPs, then Spezza has to be the guy.

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by Mark Parisi on Feb 17, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree with this

BUT i think that the hockey media tends to down-play the Sens success and tend to under-value Spezza. It’s not uncommon to see some thing talking about ‘Stars of the Game’ or ‘Elite’ players and not see Spezza anywhere near the list. I think despite the “surprising Sens” stuff, you’ll have a tough time seeing Spezza fall-in the nominees with guys like Toews, Giroux, Lundqvist, a Sedin, Malkin, (pick a player from a top 4 team in either conference).

Even when we were a perennial contender, it always seemed like we were not really there to the hockey media.

by west-sider on Feb 17, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

Spezza would really need to be a clear #1, #2 or #3 in the race to get proper consideration.

by dzuunmod on Feb 17, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

If he finishes the season in the top 3 in scoring, then maybe he’ll get recognition. But we’re generally overlooked as a small market team.

by The Tif on Feb 17, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

On Kessel...

I don’t think he deserves real consideration for the Hart trophy… and not just because he’s a Leaf. I think Lupul has more to do with Kessel’s point totals than anything else. Everyone else on your list are legitimate contenders for the award this year, though.

And don’t get me wrong… he deserves to be talked about, but that’s as far as it should go.

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by BigSlice on Feb 17, 2012 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

Now, that said...

They also said he was nothing without Savard feeding him pucks, so I could be WAY off with my judgement of Phil.

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by BigSlice on Feb 17, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Kessel has improved a lot.

He’s scoring more, he’s actually improved his passing game too and is playing more of a two-way game. No one will mistake him for Datsyuk but he’s playing better at both ends. If he isn’t on the Leafs that team is in a whole ton of trouble. He probably doesn’t get past Malkin, Lundqvist et al. though.

by Quizzical Quorum on Feb 17, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd say Kessel helps Lupul a lot more than Lupul helps Kessel

Kessel has been fantastic this year. He’s improved his game in pretty much every area, it seems.

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by DarrenM on Feb 17, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd have to agree

I mean… look at their career stats: Kessel’s numbers this year are in line with them, Lupul’s are right out of left field.

by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 17, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Rooster...

I get that locker room video is a lot more rare at the NHL level, but I REALLY want to see him do the rooster song & dance for the Sens. Maybe if they can squeak into the playoffs, he’ll dust it off.

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by BigSlice on Feb 17, 2012 1:37 PM EST reply actions  

I was thinking this 2 days ago

and then looked at Lundqvist’s stats. He’s been the catalyst for the Rangers wire-to-wire season. I think he’s got it in the bag. Unless Malkin goes bonkers.

GPI W L OT GA SA SV SV% GAA SO
REGULAR SEASON 42 27 11 4 75 1,267 1,192 .941 1.77 7

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by MadCash on Feb 17, 2012 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

Lundqvist probably should get it

But since it rarely goes to goalies, my money’s on Malkin. He’s tearing it up right now.

by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 17, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

Lundqvist and Malkin are the two candidates, either one can win it, hard to say, I’d say Malkin because he truly carries that team with Crosby injured. Lundqvist is 1a, 940 save percantage? 1.77 Gaa?? 10th in shots against? Crazy

by I Still Miss Hossa!!! on Feb 17, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

So... we could get a 2nd and 3rd for Kuba?

We can’t move him because of team chemistry. But damn it, I want to!

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by Mark Parisi on Feb 17, 2012 1:48 PM EST reply actions  

There's a good point

I was thinking of the inflated market affecting us as buyers, but it would also affect us as sellers.

I think we could trade Kuba, but instead of a second and a third it would have to be for another defenceman and a pick. Maybe trading Kuba for a guy with term left and a pick would work; Zidlicky and a third? Maybe a second?

by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 17, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I was wondering that myself

But I can’t figure out what team looking for a rental like Kuba would be willing to give up a roster defenseman in exchange. I guess it could happen because of salary, but a quick glance at CapGeek leaves me struggling to find a workable trade that’s remotely realistic.

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by Mark Parisi on Feb 17, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

said it before, i'll say it again

i think he’s worth more to us on an extension than the under-valued return we’re likely to get for him. Frankly, i’d rather see Gonchar or Phillips (but i love him, i really do!) go than Kuba…

by west-sider on Feb 17, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

see my thread of incompetence below…

by west-sider on Feb 17, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Hilarity

So, I’m just going to continue the conversation here, if that’s okay. :)

I think we have to assume that Kuba walks in the offseason, so we’re going to need need another veteran D anyway. I’d be fine with having Carkner-Lee as our bottom pairing after the trade deadline. I don’t think Kuba is the difference between playoff series wins and losses for us, even as strongly as he’s played this year—but his play this year has earned him a reasonable trade value. If all we can get for him is an undervalued return, then I’d rather hang on to him at this point. He’s earned that much.

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by Mark Parisi on Feb 17, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

ditto everything you've just said except

the Carkner staying. I think he needs to go back to the AHL.

so, i’ll never try and have a work conversation (as boring as it was) and contribute to S7S at the same time again.

by west-sider on Feb 17, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Carks is UFA after this year

I’m only talking about him being on our bottom pairing for the remainder of the year. He’s not a long-term solution to plugging the hole Kuba creates when he leaves.

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by Mark Parisi on Feb 17, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess the questions are:

1) Whether any other team has shown interest in Kuba.

2) Whether the market value established by the recent trades of Grossman and Gill is less than what Kuba is worth to the team for the remainder of the season.

Or he won’t be traded because his name doesn’t start with a ‘G’.

by JonathanA on Feb 17, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd have to agree that those are the questions

I wish we knew the answers, but I suppose we’ll find out in the next few days.

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by Mark Parisi on Feb 17, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd still move Kuba

Move Cowen to the top and give Phillips more minutes to make up for the loss. If someone offers a 2nd and a 3rd or prospect I think BMurr should do it. Kuba’s good, but he’s not the bees knees.

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by MadCash on Feb 17, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

oh "and"

if we get that, it would really have to be thought about. We’d need to go out and get another vet D.

by west-sider on Feb 17, 2012 2:09 PM EST reply actions  

that was for you, Mark…

by west-sider on Feb 17, 2012 2:10 PM EST reply actions  

holy reply fail, Batman!

by west-sider on Feb 17, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I would say so

I’m not sure what Nashville’s planning. You have to think that means at least one of Suter or Weber is getting moved.

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by Mark Parisi on Feb 17, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

all of a sudden your 2nd and 3rd for Kuba doesn’t seem that far fetched…

by west-sider on Feb 17, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't think it did before.

I’d consider Grossman similar in value to Kuba with the age difference being offset by the points difference.

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by Mark Parisi on Feb 17, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I certainly don't think that

Gill is a pending UFA, I’d be surprised if they moved either of Suter or Weber unless it was in an absolute blockbuster of a deal. Like… Getzlaf-esque blockbuster.

by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 17, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Surprised this didn't make the nuggets
The Senators have looked around the league and made calls regarding a forward, but the asking price is more often than not one of Ottawa’s top prospects. And that’s a no-go.

“I’m not doing that, I can tell you that,” Sens GM Bryan Murray told ESPN.com Thursday. “I’m not looking for a short-term fix.”

The Senators still have their eye on the big picture, which is to continue with their plan of developing a young and talented team. No shortcuts.

Still, if a top-six winger with an expiring contract is available without requiring the Sens to give up the farm, Murray will look at it.

“I’d be OK with a rental if it was the right price,” said Murray.

So maybe a rental, but the top prospects are staying put.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/14723/rumblings-despite-mutual-interest-trading-rick-nash-to-red-wings-not-likely-to-happen (near the bottom)

by B_T on Feb 17, 2012 4:47 PM EST reply actions  

I think that was his plan all along

I think it’s clear that we’re not contenders this year, so no need to give away valuable assets now. Especially the price that teams are asking for. Let Burke do that :)

by I Still Miss Hossa!!! on Feb 17, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

What big deadline trades has Burke made?

He was once called the worst participant Cirque du Soleil ever had.

by RogerTheShrubber on Feb 17, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno

I was just saying that he likes to swing for the fences when he makes deals

by I Still Miss Hossa!!! on Feb 17, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I was just wondering.

We seem to make that assumption a lot around here, but I’m not sure he’s ever actually done it.

He was once called the worst participant Cirque du Soleil ever had.

by RogerTheShrubber on Feb 17, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Darren wouldn't have missed it

I’m just sayin’

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by Mark Parisi on Feb 18, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

True

But I got it from multiple locations, which is why it surprised me. If it’d just been buried in the ESPN article and not mentioned elsewhere, I wouldn’t have been surprised at all.

by B_T on Feb 18, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Well maybe not deadline

There was the Kaberle trade last deadline, as well as the Versteeg one. Phaneuf and Giguere trades were in January of that year. The Kessel trade was in the offseason. I guess what I was trying to say is that he’s made many trades to his team. However, the Leafs are probably looking more like a team that he likes, so maybe he’ll deal less and less

by I Still Miss Hossa!!! on Feb 17, 2012 5:21 PM EST reply actions  

I think Giggles would have to get to 90 points

And the Sens would have to finish 5th or 6th. Then I think he might be considered for top 3, but I don’t think he has any chance of winning.

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by Adnan on Feb 18, 2012 2:44 PM EST reply actions  

Bummer about Petersson

I remember in training camp he looked close to tears when talking about how the Senators organization fixed his back and saved his career. Hopefully that’ll give him the patience to stick it out in “Hell” until he makes the team. Or better yet his hatred of Binghampton will motivate him to play his way out of there. Just as long as he doesn’t go all prima donna.

I voted only if he keeps scoring at his current pace only because there are so many other strong Hart candidates out there right now.

by HaBla on Feb 18, 2012 3:38 PM EST reply actions  

Does Hell have a hockey team?

I’ve been to Hell, Norway. I don’t recall seeing a rink there…
So, what’

by west-sider on Feb 19, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

s the news with Petersson?

by west-sider on Feb 19, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

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