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Building a Cup Contender for Next Season!

Hey everyone, I just thought I'd quickly introduce myself. My name's Ryan and I'm a second year Arts student (hahah I know, nothing to be bragging about, I'm just not to sure what I want to do. But recently I've been interested in getting a Real Estate licence as both my parents are in the business) at the University of Ottawa. I've been following Silver Seven since the beginning of the prospect camp this season and have thoroughly enjoyed the amazing coverage you guys provide daily, so thank you! It's my first time posting on here but after reading that my favourite non-sens player, Rick Nash, is on the trading block I began brainstorming on how to acquire him. As I was thinking of that a bunch of other scenarios popped up in my head that I wanted to share with you guys!

*Warning this will be and extremely long post! Now after the jump!*

Star-divide

This morning I read the article on TSN stating that Rick Nash could be traded and right next to it was TSN's stupid daily trade rumours article and the picture was of Jeff Carter. So I began to think... Why not get both Rick Nash AND Jeff Carter? Before everyone almost as a heart attack thinking we'll have to give up our whole team for these two players, this is how I look at it...

Jeff Carter's contract: approx. $5.27 million for 10 years (last season being 2021-2022) he's under contract from age 27-37.

He was traded last summer for:

Jakub Voracek who was 21 with 134 points in 241 games. A former 2007 1st round 7th overall draft pick.

+

2011 1st Round draft pick 8th Overall (Sean Couturier was drafted)

I can only assume that Columbus will be looking for a package that contains something similar to what they gave away for Carter as they are now looking to rebuild and need younger assets. So I created a package containing this:

Zibanejad + 2012 1st Rounder + 2013 2nd Rounder

Many people will think this is too much to give away but this is my rational. Since Ottawa addressed their 2nd line center role, by trading for Turris, they're set for quite a while. It can be argued that Mika can play wing but we have many other top 6 potential on the way (Puempel, Noesen, Prince, Pageau, Silfverberg and Petersson). Zibanejad was drafted 6th overall compared to Voracek's 7th overall. Mika is also three years younger than Jakub was at the time of the trade. The first rounder Ottawa sends them will hopefully not be as high as the one Philly gave to them. I've read from scouts that after the first 10 picks in this years upcoming draft that the talent level takes a drop. So I decided to add the 2nd round pick the next season as a sweetener. I didn't add another first rounder as we still need to draft top level prospects OR if the senators are a serious contender next year they have the first rounder to possibly trade at the deadline to get the proper pieces to win the cup.

Now on to Nash...

Rick Nash's contract: approx. $7.8 million for 6 years (last season being 2017-2018) he's under contract from age 27-33.

Columbus will be looking for quite a haul for Nash, so I tried my best and came up with this:

Michalek + Foligno + Stone

By adding Carter and Nash there is no need to keep the inconsistent Michalek. He's having a good season and his value is at it's highest since he's been a Senator so it's the perfect time to trade him. I hate trading Foligno as he is great for the community but being a low-end 2nd liner or high-end 3rd liner doesn't leave him a lot of room in the lineup. He's still very young and I could see him providing great leadership and possibly getting an A for a young Columbus team. Stone hurts to give away as he is our hidden gem even resembling Rick Nash talent wise. I'm just not totally confident his junior success will transfer into the NHL as it's easy for him to play in the dirty areas now but once Chara comes hacking down on him I'm not too sure he'll be able to keep up. Though he is one of our best prospects.

So this would be the trade:

Michalek + Foligno + Zibanejad + Stone + 2012 1st Rounder + 2013 2nd Rounder

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Nash + Carter

Giving away two roster players, two high-end prospects, and two high draft picks is always a lot but getting back two guaranteed first liners seems like a no-brainer to me. Moving Carter to the wing and having a top line of Carter-Spezza-Nash would be one of the best top lines in the league. We'd have all three players at least until the 2015-2016 season when Spezza's contract is up. It's also nice to have Carter in case Spezza gets injured and we need a first line center. This would be the first dominant first line the Senators have had since a season before Heatley left. Nash and Carter jerseys would sell like crazy too (I'd buy both!).

Ottawa has approx $28.5 million in cap space for next season. with this trade the only player we're giving them still on contract is Michalek who's cap hit is $4.3 million. Taking that away then adding Carter's $5.27 million and Nash's $7.8 million would leave Ottawa with $19.73 of cap space.

This would all have to be done before the trade deadline obviously. But there are still a few other moves I would make. In order to continue to ice a competitive team in the future I would:

Trade Kuba for a 2nd round pick or a defense prospect.

Trade Gonchar for a 2nd round pick or a defense prospect.

I can't picture either of these players helping us win a cup and I believe we may as well part ways with them now since they do have some value. I hope my idea of the return for them is reasonable. Taking off Gonchar's $5.5 million would give Ottawa $25.23 million of cap space.

With this cap space I would then do this to ill our defense:

Offer Erik Karlsson $6.5 million for 8 years (last season being 2019-2020) would be under contract from age 21-29.

I believe $6.5 for Erik is fair and also setting him up with a long contract leading him up to his prime. When the contract ends and he's 29 Ottawa can then decide if they want to resign him (and for how much) or if they want to trade him while he's in his prime.

Offer Ryan Suter $6 million for 6 years (last season being 2017-2018) would be under contract from age 27-33.

Hopfully he doesn't get offered much more than that, but we do have the money to add another million on to that. Solidifying our top D pairing for the next 6 years is also a good idea.

After adding these two contracts on to our cap hit we have available space of $12.73.

After all of these moves I believe our roster would look like this for next season:

Carter - Spezza - Nash

V - Turris - Alfredsson

Greening - W - X

Condra - Smith - Neil

I believe our first line and fourth line will be one of the best's in the league and that's what stanley cup champions have, depth through all four lines. I put those players on the fourth line because I feel we have a lot more players coming in with offensive upside and it would be a shame to hide them away on the fourth line. Condra, Smith and Neil will still spend a lot of time on the PK so the 4th line minutes will give them a rest.

Here our my candidates for the vacant spots, in order of likelihood.

V + X = Petersson, Silfverberg, Butler, Filatov

W = Da Costa, Regin*, O'Brien*

Possibly Bring Back = Konopka*, Daugavins*

Rookie Potential = Puempel, Noesen, Prince, Pageau, Culek

* = must be resigned

I personally would like to see Petersson on the line with Turris and Alfredsson, I feel like Petersson would be an appropriate fit to fill in for Alfie once he decides to retire. Da Costa I believe will be ready to take take the third line spot and adding Greening and Silfverberg on his wings I believe will create perfect line chemistry as Da Costa and Silfverberg use their talent to get pucks to the net and Greening crashes and bangs in front. Using Daugavins or Butler as the 13 forward would be a safe bet.

Suter - Karlsson

Cowen - Y

Z - Phillips

This one we saw coming but both Cowen and Phillips could be argued as above average for the pairing they've been set too. This can never be a bad thing as defense is known to win championships.

To fill in the holes I would say:

Y = Free Agent

Z = Borowiecki, Lee*, Wiercioch, Gryba

We need a better defenseman for our second pairing than what we have currently in the system and looking at the free agents that are available this summer I've compiled a quick list:

Wideman, Rozsival, Stuart, Hunwick, Kubina

Any of these 5 players are capable of playing 2nd pairing minutes and are better defensively than Gonchar. I feel as if our blueline got a whole lot tougher having any of these guys also. With $12.73 of cap space it should only cost about $3-$4 million to sign one of these players and we definitely have the money to do so!

For the spot open in the last pairing I decided to give Borowieki a chance just because I imagine him and Phillips being a Volchenkov-Phillips tandem but...umm... third pairing version. They would be great on the PK and could shut down some top opponents! I would then keep Lee on as the 7th defenseman as he is capable of playing a regular shift when needed.

Anderson

Lehner

One word: Draft.

So that's my idea on how to make the Senators a premium cup contender by next year! I know most of this would never happen but it's fun to imagine. Let me know what you think of my trade proposals or who you would rather keep or trade!

Thanks for reading,

Ryan

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Just not right

the fact that it completely invades the rebuilding process is the downer, but with so much cap why not right?
I like your idea though , a lot of good blueprint work , but I just can’t see this working out , and I personally can’t stand trading away players , im emotionally attached :(

by SensNoodles on Feb 14, 2012 11:37 PM EST reply actions  

Horrible. Absolutely Horrible.

I was quite literally reading alone thinking “Are you *****ded?” and it just got louder as I went along. I’m not saying you are, but that it a horrid idea, exemplified by the fact that you want to give up more for Carter than CBJ paid for him.

It’s funny, actually, right as I was getting to the point where you add up the trades, I was thinking “you want to trade Michalek, Foligno, etc etc etc … are you *****ded” and then you added it all up too. Funny stuff. (What’s funny is that you didn’t stop posting when you saw it laid out like that…)

Also, there is such a thing known as a salary cap. You do realize that, right? We just got out of cap hell, finally restocked the cupboards, and you want to undo that entire effort in one fell swoop. Yeah…you discuss the cap implications, but you completely ignore the impact of these decisions on seasons beyond 12-13. Saying we have other prospects etc etc doesn’t acknowledge the fact that our ability to sign any of those prospects beyond their entry level contracts will be demolished.

Truly this is a remarkably horrendous idea.

Just awful.

Awful.

by 80 on Feb 15, 2012 12:11 AM EST reply actions  

Constructive criticism...

…would be better than just tearing it apart. Its not like the post isnt interesting.

by DonnyT on Feb 15, 2012 4:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. No need to be so negative all the time.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 15, 2012 4:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Why don't you tell me how you really feel? haha

You know what, that’s your opinion and I respect that. I think you failed to read my last few lines, and I don’t blame you since you thought it was so stupid but I said this:

“So that’s my idea on how to make the Senators a premium cup contender by next year! I know most of this would never happen but it’s fun to imagine. Let me know what you think of my trade proposals or who you would rather keep or trade!”

But to debate what you said, I’m not to sure how you see Zibanejad + 19th overall 2012 + 49th overall 2013 (if the season ended today) is more than Voracek + 8th Overall 2011. Any team would trade their 19th pick and 49th pick to draft in the top 10 and if they don’t than there is something wrong with them. Voracek is also a proven NHL player scoring 50 points in his second season on COLUMBUS. Zibanejad is struggling to gain ice time in the swedish league and had a mediocore WJC, outside his gold medal goal. Now I’m not saying that Zibanejad isn’t going to be as good as Voracek but I just believe that Voracek is a safer bet at the time of the trade.
If you could have traded that package at the draft for the first overall pick, RNH, then man you’re hired. I personally believe Carter is a hell of a player scoring 46 goals in 08-09 and 36 goals last season, I can only imagine how much more effective he would be playing with Spezza. Carter (and Nash) are having off years, Pietrangelo is not. That’s like other teams saying they should try and trade for Karlsson, Brian Murray wouldn’t let it happen. But these players are on the trading block so it is possible.
I’m not upset by what you said as that’s your opinion and you don’t have to agree with me, it was an idea and I would be happy to read about which players you believe we should go after or if you think we shouldn’t trade for anyone! I’m sure you could make a reasonable case for whatever you wanted. Let me know what packages of players you’d be willing to ship off and what return you think you could get. I look forward to reading it!

by redwardz on Feb 15, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember, draft position is also determined by playoff performance

Make it past the first round and you’re automatically in the bottom 8 draft positions (barring winning the lottery). It’s why teams do conditional picks – “3rd round pick, 2nd round if team makes it to Conference finals” kind of thing.

by B_T on Feb 15, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Good Point

I forgot about that point but I guess that would not be necessarily a bad thing if by adding these players we would be able to compete for the cup but who knows if chemistry would even hold up.
But I forgot to mention what 80 said about putting us back in cap hell. I do see what you mean but I do believe there is a difference between Nash and Kovalev and Suter and Gonchar. We were expected to compete in the playoffs last season but chemsitry didn’t hold up and we weren’t consistent. By solidifying the top line of forwards and D you’re giving yourself space to round out the other lines. If we instead try and play all of our picks at the same time we’ll be in the exact same spot as they’ll want to the big contracts they deserve and we won’t have room to keep them all. By knowing these players will compete on the first line we then have the opportunity to choose what prospects (Puempel, Prince, Noesen) we want to allow into our line-up handing one contract out at a time and not 10 when they’re entry levels are up.

by redwardz on Feb 15, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for your respectful response

It’s unfortunate 80 wasn’t able to restrain himself with his response, but I appreciate you taking the high road.

by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 15, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Also,

Zib, 2012 1st and 2013 2nd could get us one hell of a player. Giving that up for Carter would be complete and utter nonsense.

Think about what it took to get Turris. Wouldn’t you rather use those assets to pick up Pietro from STL? Getting him would do a hell of a lot more to help the rebuild than getting Carter would.

Hell, we could have traded that package at the draft for RNH…

by 80 on Feb 15, 2012 12:22 AM EST reply actions  

All i could think while reading this comment was

are you ****ing *****ded? Theres no way edmonton would have done that deal, and St Louis traded Erik Johnson last year to make way for pietrangelo to come up….are you****ing *****ded??

by JimmyJoe on Feb 15, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Come on now

An eye for an eye makes everyone blind.

by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 15, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Apart from anything else, I don’t see Karlsson making more than Suter next year. But I could be wrong.

by OttawaWendy on Feb 15, 2012 12:54 AM EST reply actions  

Love the ambition, Ryan. And the formatting.

It’s posts that are well written and researched that deserve to be front-paged, imho, and this article has both. If I wasn’t the kiss of death, the site’s editors would probably not let your invitation to follow you over the jump go to waste ;-)

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 15, 2012 4:43 AM EST reply actions  

As for the content, I cannot point to any one piece and say that it was unreasonable. So how do I go about saying that the sum of the parts is a pipe dream?

I agree with Grumpy Gus above that you may be offering a bit much for Carter, in that there’s no way they get back even 90 cents on the dollar they spent in Philly. They fucked up. Now they pay the price.

That said, I have now further harmed my argument that the overall package is too pie in the sky. I mean, you reduce the payment for Carter a little, and it should make your proposal more viable, but I still have doubts about it materializing. So who knows. Maybe Scott Howson does tear the whole place down and start over. What do i know. I’m not a fuckin’ doctor.

Suffice it to say that anybody would welcome these events. And since we’re all just armchairing these things, why not go big.

Good post.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 15, 2012 4:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Kudos

Kudos for taking on this kind of a thing in your first post, and I mean that.

There are at three flaws in what you are proposing:

1/ Nash has a NTC and we aren’t one of the teams on his list, so getting him is never going to happen.

2/ Carter is not worth all of those assets. There is a reason why Carter was let go of in Philly and why he hasn’t made it in Columbus. I’d be alot more interested in Carter if he had lead them to a playoff spot and was in the top ten in the league in scoring.

3/ Where we most need to improve this team to become a contending team is on defence, and the offence will take care of itself from within with the players we have and the ones coming up.

by Marvellous on Feb 15, 2012 7:56 AM EST reply actions  

Geez, my post didn’t go through.

by Marvellous on Feb 15, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Last night Sportsnet speculated his list was of contenders

So, I’m thinking that wouldn’t be us. They also speculated that Columbus would be looking for a goalie in return.

Their list was: Vancouver, Los Angeles, NYR, and Toronto.

I suppose we might get in the bidding if we threw in Lehner, but I don’t know that anyone would consider him a better option than Mason at this point in their careers.

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by Mark Parisi on Feb 15, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Unless we have our sights on another goalie in the draft

I would be VERY hesitant to include Lehner in any trade talks, because past him, we really don’t have anyone that can step in in a few years.

I’m interested to see what is done about Mason this year, seeing as the Blue Jackets have lost most of their faith in him. I’m not advocating the Sens try to pick him up, but I have a feeling some team is going to be able to get him for a pretty reasonable return.

by ek65 on Feb 15, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I like the ambition, but I think this is just too many moves too quickly to create any kind of cohesive whole. But who wouldn’t love to see Nash in Sens jersey.

by Amelia L on Feb 15, 2012 8:03 AM EST reply actions  

Great Post

I’m strictly of the mindset that we stay the course. If anything BM should be trying to shift some dead weight (Da Costa, forehead is too big) for picks at trade deadline as opposed to blockbuster run at the cup deals. It’s interesting to put it down on paper though. Personally I feel that Nash is a slightly better version of Kessel and is very one-dimensional. I’d punch my own mother if it was the only way to not trade Stone in a package for him. As for the Carter package, I can’t wait to see what Mika can do next year. I guess I’m totally on board with the youth/rebuild movement here and I’m really excited to see what our draft picks can do in the next couple of years. Thanks for putting all the time and effort into this post Ryan, well done!

by JeffreyLebowski on Feb 15, 2012 8:46 AM EST reply actions  

Giving up on Da Costa is premature

Giving up on Da Costa is premature at this point. As we see, not all players develop instantaneously. Some take several years, some need beefing up time. Some need maturing time. Da Costa was moved forward too fast because we had this void.

Long term, we need to allow these guys to develop and bring in one or two of them every year while keeping the cupboards full. That is the recipe for long term success… not ditching prospects for stars that end up being overpaid because they go to the highest bidder.

I love the stache of prospective forwards that we have and we’ll do fine from within. I’m much more interested in what we are going to do defensively.

by Marvellous on Feb 15, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm really not interested in the prospect of trading for guys like Carter or Nash

But this is a great introductory post, and it is ambitious. So kudos, as others have said, for posting such a thing, even though I myself hope it doesn’t come to pass. I’d rather the team take the time to build from within and be able to contend perenially, like the Red Wings, rather than move a whole lotta prospects and end up with only a brief window of opportunity before they have to rebuild again.

by JonathanA on Feb 15, 2012 9:05 AM EST reply actions  

I like the post.

It was well thought out, and your argument about getting a phenomenal first line is good (Spezza, Carter and Nash? Yeah!).

However, I think the price is too steep. We’ll be giving up one of our top prospects in Zibby, another in Stone, as well as Michalek who has been a good all-around player, as well as a 1st and a 2nd. Which to me is too much. You have a different threshold for that, which is cool, but I think that’s just too steep.

Michalek + Foligno + 2nd I’d do for Carter, but that’s about as far as I’d go. The 1sts are incredibly valuable in the cap age, but you’re right – that level of elite talent would be good to have.

by The Tif on Feb 15, 2012 9:36 AM EST reply actions  

Prediction

Two idiot GMs are going to give up something really stupid for Carter and Nash very close to the deadline.

At least there is not alot of stupid returns happening on rental players this year, like in the past.

by Marvellous on Feb 15, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

hire this guy

I agree -great first post. I am new this year as well and just love reading, posting and venting on this site. From a concept, articulation, & reasoning point of view, this post is one of the best I have seen from anybody. Congratulations. Don’t let the nattering nabobs of negativism deter your enthusiasm. Building great teams are really a crap shoot, so all ideas, positive or negative, have value.

by XMAN69 on Feb 15, 2012 11:23 AM EST reply actions  

Scoring goals hasn't been a problem

Preventing them have. We need to shore up our defense. I wouldn’t mind being aggressive at the deadline or during the summer to get a Suter or a Weber (long shot, I know).

Love the post and the thought of Nash-Spezza-Carter on a line is salivating, but not realistic I don’t think.

by I Still Miss Hossa!!! on Feb 15, 2012 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

It's all for fun!

Thank you for everyone that was being kind about the post! I did put a lot of effort in it but it’s all because I love the Sens and wonder about how we could improve our team. I by no means was saying that Bryan Murray needs to make these trades to be a great GM or anything. I think since it took me so long to type the post by the end of it I was zipping by it just trying to get it done, missing a few of my points.
It’s not to often that a team is willing to trade their two best players in order to bring the orgainzation in a different route. I guess the same argument that I’m making could also be made for trading for Getzlaf/Perry and Ryan. All of these players are having off years and that’s why they are available to other teams, if they were all top 10 in scoring and in a playoff position you could bet we’d never hear their names on the trading block again. But look at Turris, underachieving and Murray gives away our best Defense prospect and a 2nd rounder for him. Most people thought that was to much to give away but look how it’s turned out. We now have a dominant 2nd line center for many years now. So chances are that if you guys think that what I offered is too much then chances are that is what it’s going to take. But you guys are probably right, it isn’t worth it, but it’s a neat concept to look at seeing as we do have the pieces to do it if we wanted to pull the trigger.
Now I was aware Nash had a NTC but was not aware that we were not on his list of teams and that Columbus wanted a goalie. But that’s fine! I’m happy for Nash that he can finally get out of Columbus and show his skill in a real hockey market.
I also realize that we need to strengthen our D right now but I believe even once we do that we’ll still get beat offensively with a first line of Michalek-Spezza-Greening/Butler/Alfredsson or however you want to make it. I know we aren’t looking to advance far in the playoffs this year but even our top-end prospects don’t have a lot of grit to them that Nash has (Noesen probably having the most). It’s also cool to think that Spezza and Nash have dominated together at the world hockey championships and have shown chemistry. I think Carter-Spezza-Nash could give us quite a few chances at the cup but I’m just debating for fun! Sorry if I’ve offended anyone or anyone had felt like they’ve wasted their time reading this.

by redwardz on Feb 15, 2012 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

Why GMS earn the big bucks

Sorry my mistake Nash has a NMC.

This whole conversation shows you why GMs earn the big bucks. They need to have a huge amount of knowledge, and an ability to lead a group of scouts and Player Development guys who have often differing ideas…. not to mention that they need unbelievable negotiating and relationship skills.

There are many considerations to make, and bold moves that turn into big mistakes often cause these guys to lose their jobs.

by Marvellous on Feb 15, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't apologize for posting this!

ALL opinions are welcome here. Anyone offended or feeling like their time was wasted has their own problems to deal with.

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by Mark Parisi on Feb 15, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I like this a lot

Nash-Spezza-Carter would be a filthy top line. With a second line of Filatov-Turris-Alfredsson we would have the league’s best top-6 corps.
Making these trades happen, however, would be difficult, and almost impossible without overpaying. If we offer A+B+C for D, while D is actively shopped around the league (à la Turris, unlike Cammalleri), we would inflate the asking price of D to A+B+C+1. If A+B+C looks like a reasonable price to us, it’s likely that A+B+C+1 would seem reasonable to at least some of the other 28 teams in the league. We would then have to top A+B+C+1 with A+B+C+2, hoping that none of the other 28 teams is willing to grossly overpay – and if another team is, we’re left to match an offer equal to or in excess of A+B+C+3. The only way we could win a trade like this would be for Columbus to overvalue one or more pieces of our offer.

by tugnutt'n'rhodes on Feb 15, 2012 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

I like what we already have

Next year our forward lines already look really sick

Michalek Spezza X
X Turris Alfie
Foligno (Dacosta or Regin) Condra
Greening Smith Neil

X= Buttler, Silverberg, Stone, Zibanejad Filavtov

I think anyone of the X players could be huge for us next year giving us a strong top 6 and then we would still have a third line that could score and I really hard working tough 4th line that would be more like a 3rd line then a 4th.

by Tugnutt and Rhodes on Feb 15, 2012 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

Spezza X

Sounds like a badass moustachioed Spezza from the Alternaworld. Instead of giggling, he chortles.

He was once called the worst participant Cirque du Soleil ever had.

by RogerTheShrubber on Feb 16, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Cool post

Your formatting was especially solid, definitely helped break up the length of the post and make it easy to digest.

I do, however, have a bunch of problems with the idea as you outline it, mostly in ensuring our team isn’t too top heavy. As it is, the lineup you outlined has us around $62M, which is barely under the cap ceiling; that’s pretty nutty. Although our second line looks good for next year (assuming Alfie returns), we’ve got next to no space to fill it out the year after. And that’s assuming we’ll be able to re-sign Turris, who might be looking for a big contract if he can keep scoring as he has been.

FORWARDS: $35.4M
Spezza: 7
Carter: 5.3
Nash: 7.8
Turris: 1.4
Alfredsson: 4.875
Greening: 0.8
Condra: 0.625
Smith: 0.7
Neil: 2
Silfverberg: 0.9
Butler: 1
Da Costa: 1.3
Regin: 1*
O’Brien: 0.7*

DEFENCE: $22.3M
Karlsson: 6.5
Suter: 6
Phillips: 3
free agent: 4*
Cowen: 1.2
Carkner: 0.8*
Lee: 0.8*

* – estimates, pending re-signing

As for the defence, I think Suter will likely demand more than $6M per for six year, if he even hits free agency. And I think we’d still need two pretty good defencemen along with Suter, Karlsson, Phillips, and Cowen to have a Cup-calibre blue line.

In net, I don’t think Lehner’s ready to be a backup. But crazier things have happened.

by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 15, 2012 3:32 PM EST reply actions  

A couple of points:

- Nash will only accept a trade to a few selected teams. What makes you believe that Ottawa is one of them?

- I find it hard to believe that Columbus trades both Carter and Nash without addressing a problem which plagued them “for ages”. Dman! They will ask for Cowen or Karlsson. Here’s where your original plans gets complicated.

by Acer9 on Feb 15, 2012 5:09 PM EST reply actions  

My biggest problem here is that Carter and Nash aren't working out in Columbus

Nash, I’m eager to take on, but I’m not so sure that I’d want both guys considering their poor chemistry in Columbus.

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by Mark Parisi on Feb 15, 2012 6:32 PM EST reply actions  

I agree...

I was thinking about this too but I’m hoping the reason is because they’re both goal scorers. Now I’d be lying if I said I’ve watched them play together this year because I haven’t but whenever Nash has excelled on the world stage he’s had a great set up man (Crosby, Spezza) and the same could be said for Carter with Giroux as his linemate. Heatley and Spezza had amazing chemistry as we all know but look what happened when Heatley joined Joe Thornton who was thought to be an elite centreman… Nothing. I think there could be a lot of chemistry with Spezza not worrying which wing to pass it to as both will be able to put it in the net. But if we could even get just Nash that would be pretty friggin sweet.

by redwardz on Feb 15, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Solid post for sure

And if it was possible to do everything you suggest (which I don’t believe it is due to cap space and difficulty of ensuring we get the FA D we require) I think we become a much better team and don’t lose too much at all.

I am all about the rebuild too but Nash and Carter are young and no matter who they are, draft picks are no sure thing. Zib and Stone could be great but they could be busts and in fact it is far more likely they are busts than they are great. Of course they could be average 3rd liners as well.

I would always take an established young player over almost any prospect (you know who I am talking about) and although I would change up the lines as I don’t think you would want all 3 on the same line the depth it would provide would be sick.

What if, for example we had Nash / Spezza / Butler then Alfie / Carter / Michalek and then Petersson / Turris / Greening with Smith, Neil and Condra on the 4th line?

Damn you! Now I am pie-in-the-skying!

Solid, don’t let the 80 get you down, he/she seems quite adversarial lately.

by OD99 on Feb 15, 2012 9:52 PM EST reply actions  

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