Senators fall 4-1 to Kings
by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 24, 2012 10:30 AM EST
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PrintSlowly but surely, teams are figuring out that the Ottawa Senators aren't a squad to be taken lightly, and they're finding ways to shut the Sens down. The Los Angeles Kings found one effective way on Monday night: Get a hot goalie to stymie the Sens at every turn (and a referee to blow several blatant calls, mostly to the Kings' advantage).
L.A. scored late in the first when Willie Mitchell fired a seeing-eye shot through traffic and past Craig Anderson. Things really took off in the second, though, after Kyle Clifford scored to put the Kings up by two and Ottawa ran into some penalty troubles. Jack Johnson scored a powerplay marker, and just 93 seconds later, Trevor Lewis was awarded a (ridiculously bonus) penalty shot, and he made no mistake. The two quick goals extinguished just about any intensity the Senators had.
Daniel Alfredsson scored a powerplay goal in the third to spoil Jonathan Quick's shutout bid, but the Sens were well out of it by that point.
Sens Killers: Referees
Chris Phillips must have done something to get him on the refs' bad sides. First, he got his stick slashed and broken in half behind the Sens' net, and the Kings scored just minutes later--although, had the ref (Tim Peel, who was right freakin' there) called the blatant infraction, Ottawa would have been on the powerplay. Secondly, he was called for closing his hand on the puck, leading to Lewiss penalty-shot goal, despite the fact that (as the video showed... ) he barely even passed the puck to Anderson. Some weak reffing all-around, but it took its toll on Phillips the most.
Sens Hero: Colin Greening
Greening had a monster of a game that featured eight hits, including a massive hit on Drew Doughty when the Kings' defender tried to take him out. Watch it in the highlights below: Greening just ploughs right through Doughty. It's epic. Greening also had four shot in the losing effort, and wasn't on the ice for any of the Kings' goals.
Honourable Mention: Alex Auld
Auld started the third, seeing his first game action in nearly a month, and stopped all eight shots faced. He'll have to get some playing time sooner or later.
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I'm pretty convinced the Sens were sent a message last night
And the message was that referees don’t like being talked about in the press, and they really don’t like having candid discussions publicly disclosed.
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by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 24, 2012 10:52 AM EST reply actions
Yeah I had a feeling MacLean shouldn’t have said that.
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
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That's great
It’s always reassuring to be reminded that referees aren’t the impartial arbiters we rightfully expect them to be, but instead harbour stupid grudges based on personal entitlement.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 24, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely!
There isn’t even a question anymore. The Glen Campbell emails, the Burrows incident, this! It’s getting absolutely ridiculous and something needs to be done.
by Pmoron on Jan 24, 2012 11:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is a major flaw in the NHL.
This, for me is my number one frustration with the NHL. Everyone is accountable for their actions, except the refs, who are allowed to “send messages”. Here’s an idea, how about do your job in a professional manner without bias. 2 maybe 3 goals were directly attributed to poor or biased reffing. Everyone can see in plain sight what went on last night with the refs sending their message, and yet the league does nothing to reprimand the refs. This is telling all the fans and organizations that the refs are beyond reproach and more important than the game itself. They are continually coddled and protected. How dare anybody say anything bad about the crappy job they do (not all)!
GO SENS GO GO TEXANS GO
Not going to worry too much
We have had a bunch of calls go against us before, and a bunch of calls go for us, too, in the same game.
Last night, it was suspicious because of the proximity, but I don’t think ‘there’ isn’t a question anymore’.
We got smoked, lets forget about the refs, they had nothing to do with that. We are sounding like those tinfoil hat wearing Wings fans (I wonder why they think consipiracy with 4 recent cups; consipiracy theorists are usually canuck or leaf fans who haven’t won in a long time or ever).
They ran over everybody in sight. Sens haven’t shown up alot recently, but Andy covered for them.
Time to right the ship.
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It has nothing to do with the game.
We lost and deservedly so, but the reffing was atrocious, and you can’t ignore the evidence that’s been piling up for years.
by Pmoron on Jan 24, 2012 12:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Last night
was nothing we haven’t seen before.
if it had cost us a game, I’d whine about it too.
This doesn’t compare to Auger allegedly saying to Burrows that he was going to get him back, and then call two penalties late to cost them a chance to tie the game on the PP.
That was worthy of espn, tsn, ron maclean, etc. addressing it. Big story. One time Canucks fans had a legit gripe.
Last night was a non-story, just run of the mill officiating/message sending, if you believe it was to tell Ottawa to keep their yaps shut.
Its happened before. On 24/7, its happened with both Ovechkin (you left your feet last time, gave you a break, don’t do it again) and Talbot (alright, I warned you, you did 3 things that shift, I was going to call something…..partner ref admitted it was a bogus call). I imagine with Neil, Roy, Ruutu, and Volchenkov, they probably got message sending penalties too. It happens to Tootoo in Nashville.
I am glad Maclean stood up for Karlsson. So far, IMO, hasn’t cost us anything. I will change my mind, if that changes.
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by PekKarlsson on Jan 24, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that it didn’t cost us the game, and I agree that its nothing new. But that doesn’t mean it’s right.
The problem with hockey is it can be a bit of an old boys’ club, and there’s a very complex and well-respected “code”. While its good in a lot of ways (promotes respect etc.), there’s a lot of stupid shit like rookies getting called for stuff that vets wouldn’t, make-up calls, etc.
A penalty should be a penalty, end of story. It’s a joke on the fans when its “two for tripping because you went down too easy on that penalty call earlier which I then saw on the jumbotron during the commercial, and I’m now teaching you a lesson rookie.” How the hell am I supposed to know that? Instead I just feel cheated.
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by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 24, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
but its never been ‘right’ and it never will be. Like your ‘penalty is a penalty’ thing, we all expect whistles to be put away in playoff OT. And we expect even up calls, if the last few calls went against the Sens.
Funny NFL fans (including myself) gripe about officiating, but penalties ARE penalties in late 4th quarter/OT, AND there is no expecation for even up calls…..the last false start/offensive holding/whatev penalty doesn’t affect the next pass interference play, and there are big discrepancies in penalties for/against (Raiders!)
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it could have cost us the game!
If the ref had blown the play dead when Anderson had it (and he clearly lost sight of the puck) when he should have blown it Anderson probably wouldn’t have reacted like he did not have the puck and accidentally let it go leading to a goal.I’m a goalie, if any ref tried that on me I would be furious. That penalty shot was complete garbage (the ref was where he should have been behind the net and saw it all).
honestly, I feel cheated by the last few games. It would be three if the sens had lost to San Jose because of Karlsson getting elbowed in the face being a no-call.
In Anaheim: the tripping of Karlsson with under two minutes in the game. That could have tied it up! Who is to say that they would have gotten a goal, but it would have given them a key opportunity.
In LA: Phillips getting his stick broken in hald (in front of the ref), Karlsson getting tripped, Neil getting cross checked (IN THE FACE). Thats three power plays right there. Once again, whose to say that they would have scored, maybe they wouldnt have. But it would have given them a better opportunity to win the game had the reffing been (at the very least) half decent. Take away the garbage goals and youve got a 1-2 game… three more power play opportunities could have changed the game in a one goal game. Anyone who says otherwise doesn’t know much about hockey.
I feel cheated out of 2 or potentially 4 points and all because of the reffing. I was getting frustrated watching the game because LA would get away with things (slashing stick in half, etc.) and then the sens weren’t. To me it felt like the refs were watching for the sens to commit penalties and ignoring as many LA penalties as they could. I was extremely pissed off after last nights game. The sens got robbed on this road trip.
I am praying that these refs will not be at the game tonight….
by spatial.taxes on Jan 24, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think the refs lost us the game
I just think its scandalous that an agenda was apparent
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by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 24, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
I am not convinced there is a conspiracy amongst the refs to stick it to us
for whatever reasons. There are however, bad or missed calls in every game, most time, to both teams. What our players and coaches have vocalized about the refs are not any more or less than what others teams have done. Yes, occasionally, refs can be vindictive or biased based on on-ice banters between them and the players, but overall, I have to believe they call it as they see it. Their performances are reviewed by the league and am sure they are constantly given feedbacks. Don’t hate me.
Huge difference between a bias and one guy proving a point for one night. There’s no conspiracy.
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by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 24, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
The refs cost us a potential comeback.
The last 2 goals were a direct result of poor officiating. Thus it would have been 2-1 not 4-1 thus costing us dearly. It was also very clear that there was an agenda to stick it to the Sens after Maclean called the refs on their biased opinion that led to a non call on Karlsson. Flat out the refs took exception to bringing it up in the media an set out to teach the Sens a lesson. Which is why the refs need to be publicly called on their b.s. calls just as players and coaches have to address the media, there should be some sort of acknowledgement made to the missed calls. Why they get protected the way they do is just wrong and allows them to punish without recourse.
GO SENS GO GO TEXANS GO
I assume all of us are Sens fans on here, and thus I am a little bit upset that we can say “meh, it happens, sometimes you get the calls, sometimes you don’t. We will get the win next time”. This kind of attitude allows the refs to get away with unprofessional-ism. I strongly believe that there needs to be accountability for refs. Maybe time for a player to send a message to a ref and say, "accidentally shoot a puck in the general direction (not hitting) of a ref.
GO SENS GO GO TEXANS GO
You have expressed very strongly your opinion that it “…was also very clear that there was an agenda to stick it to the Sens after Maclean called the refs on their biased opinion that led to a non call on Karlsson.” To say that and not be guilty of mere assertion, you should be held to some sort of standard of evidence. However, since you offer none, there is little merit in trying to hold it to a standard. In your opinion, the refs sent a message. You made the connection between actions/inactions on their part you interpret to be deliberate and tied to other events that have been reported.
Then, you take the attitude in this post that we are all Sens fans here and therefore we must all think alike – like you, presumably – or we don’t measure up to your standards of fandom, which include, apparently, the right to fire a puck in the direction of a ref. Not only is that idiotic with its potential for very real harm, it is an idiotic thing to do if you believe refs hold long term grudges that they indulge in meaningful ways by making bad calls to punish you.
Seriously, get some perspective. The fans you deride for taking a more philosophical approach to lucky and unlucky calls can at least claim a degree of balance and discretion. Until there is actual evidence of bias, the most you can say is that it’s a strange coincidence that those bad calls came from the same ref whose remarks were repeated by MacLean just two days after they were uttered. And instead of counselling warning shots at them, you might offer that, looking at the coincidence, it might be effective were Senators’ management to bring that to the attention of the director of officiating. That would at least have the merit of being a civilzed, balanced approach.
I don’t suppose you’re one of those asinine anonymous tweeters who threatened Kyle Williams after his fumbles, are you?
My remark was more of the relaxed nature in which we take unprofessional-ism displayed by the refs. I making these comments, I am putting myself in the position of Leaf and Canadiens fans reaction to such infractions. I believe that the outcry would be deafening, and the media would be all over it and thus bring more attention to the fact it was a blatant error on multiple occasions this night. One could easily surmise that it was a reaction to comments made by the coach. I obviously should have put in brackets that I don’t actually want a player from the Sens to fire a puck at an official, it was more a sarcastic remark. You are correct that it is a perceived notion that there was a direct connection to comments made from Maclean to the errors in call making made by the officiating crew.
No I don’t expect all fans to think the way I do, I merely would like to see more of an overt reaction to what transpired, which quite reasonably could be seen as costing us at the very least the ability to mount another come back.
Even you would have to agree there is a high probability that there was a message sending agenda by the officiating crew on this night.
Last time I checked this was a forum of opinion and I shared mine. I in no way meant to offend anyone. merely was hoping for more of a reaction, that’s all.
GO SENS GO GO TEXANS GO
I really doubt if the refs had a message sending agenda last nght.
I’ll be willing to accept several bad ref calls.
by whatsinaname on Jan 24, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
On Ref Accountability
First, I cannot be sure that the officiating last night was at all influenced by the mini media storm surrounding Karlsson being labelled a diver, and the subsuqent sharing of that info. by Paulrus. However, I am sure that many fans in many many markets are frustrated when they see what they believe to be ref’s showing favoritism for certain stars with pedigree, being vindictive, or seeming to help home teams and/or certain big market teams. I want to know what everyone thinks about making the ref’s available to the media on occasion – perhaps once a week. I have put very little thought into this – it just came to me. But why not?? I suppose most of the time they can just say “i didnt see that” or “I called what I saw”. But when you have footage of a ref staring at a slash that breaks Phillips’ stick from 20’ away, and then a slash call go against Ottawa that was less obvious – well make them explain thsi kind of stuff and I imagine we will see more consistent officiating.
My initial instinct is no. He can't win.
And you don’t want him second guessing himself on the ice.
by whatsinaname on Jan 24, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
hey - pretend you're the Buffalo Sabres in 1999
what kind of an explanation did they get from the officials for that non-call which potentially cost them a Stanley Cup?
I’m super pissed at what I saw last night. And, frankly, just as if not more pissed about the “diver” accusations being launched at Karlsson. But it’s a regular season loss. let’s put it in perspective.
NHL referees are the best in the world and they make mistakes.
So, lets pretend we were the Sabres and we lost because of the officials? What are you trying to achieve with the refs facing the media? To tell you they make mistakes? Maybe, to help the refs make better calls, we should allow video replay in certain instances. That would be more productive. I would be interested in the NHL protocol regarding referee performance measurement and what they do when consistent errors are made by certain refs.
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