Silver Nuggets: Nick Foligno should not have received any penalty
by Adnan on Jan 18, 2012 1:00 PM EST
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PrintLike most Sens fans, seeing Dion Phaneuf airborne after a Nick Foligno had me very, very happy. Then seeing the Maple Leafs captain go all caveman to fight Foligno and then sitting in the penalty box for Ottawa's equaliser was even sweeter. But should Foligno have received a penalty at all? From the NHL rules (the emphasis is mine):
Clipping is the act of throwing the body, from any direction, across or below the knees of an opponent.
A player may not deliver a check in a "clipping" manner, nor lower his own body position to deliver a check on or below an opponent's knees.
Let's compare it to the hit by Brad Marchand on Sami Salo, here is a screen capture from Geoff Cheek.
There is Nick Foligno NOT hitting Phaneuf's knees, the contact is around the thighs/waist area, but certainly above the knees. By the NHL's rules, that's not clipping. Brad Marchand you can see however, is going for the knees.
Case closed.
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- Game recap from last night's 3-2 win over Toronto. (Silver Seven, Ottawa Sun, Senators Extra, Pension Plan Puppets)
- Post-game audio from Paul MacLean. (Ottawa Senators)
- Some ugly stats from last night. (Corsi/Fenwick, Scoring Chances)
- Erik Karlsson has known Andre Petersson since 2002. Karlsson is also a fan of Paul MacLean's moustache. (Ottawa Sun)
- The last time Ottawa came to Toronto was in November and the Senators entered the game at 7-9-1, while the Leafs were 10-5-1, six points behind Toronto (Bryan Murray says 10 but we will excuse his arithmetic). Since then, Ottawa has gone 19-7-5 while Toronto has gone 12-13-4, pulling the Senators nine points ahead of Toronto. (Toronto Sun)
- Daniel Alfredsson likes the atmosphere and intensity of playing at the Air Canada Centre. The booing probably helps him. (Ottawa Citizen)
- Don Brennan talks about watching TV in a hotel washroom and thinks both Ottawa and Toronto will make the playoffs. (Ottawa Sun)
- Erik Karlsson has been on the ice for 80 Ottawa's 144 goals. That's the highest in the NHL, Duncan Keith is second at 73. Jason Spezza is fourth (and first among forwards) at 70. Karlsson has also been on the ice for 54 goals against Ottawa, 12th most in the NHL. (NHL)
- Binghamton has had a rough season so far, but here are five positive things from their season. (Press & Sun-Bulletin)
- Peter Regin hasn't decided on surgery yet, but Bryan Murray says he is likely done for the season. (Ian Mendes)
- Daniel Alfredsson considers his good friend Mats Sundin a legend after hearing Sundin's jersey will be lifted to the rafters in Toronto. (Toronto Sun)
- The 2008 draft that Ottawa was a pretty great draft year for the Sens. In addition to Erik Karlsson and Zack Smith, Ottawa also drafted Andre Petersson, Mark Borowiecki and Patrick Wiercioch. (Ottawa Senators)
- The captains for the all-star game will be Daniel Alfredsson and Zdeno Chara. Phil Kessel picked last again then? (NHL)
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I'm really surprised Regin hasn't had surgery yet
He must feel like he’s at a career crossroads.
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IF he's very lucky, he'll be given a qualifying offer
But given the development we’ve seen from within this year, and the aquisition of Turris, Regin may have slipped off the depth chart. He may just be lucky if some team offers him a 2-way deal next year.
I feel bad for him, because I think he does have some talent and can be a valuable contributer when playing like he showed he can in 09/10. But a brutal performance last season & his injury woes this season may just be too much for him to overcome.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
If Zibanejad makes the team next year, and I think he will, it's hard to see a place for Regin on the team
He might get a qualifying offer and get buried in the AHL.
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I think if the team qualify's Regin, it a a 1-way contract
A qualifying offer to an RFA is basically the same contract as held previous with a % raise is it not? Someone correct me if I’m off base.
Thats why I don’t think he’ll be qualified.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
Well, currently it's "up to" 105 percent, because Regin is making up to $1M
That means his qualifying offer next year, if the CBA keeps the same rules, would be for $1,050,000.
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& Would also be 1 - way.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
Presumably
I believe the rule is that you can offer a two-way for both entry-level, and the contract after. The third one, as long as they’re a RFA and you hold their rights, has to be one-way.
But if a player is a UFA, you can make them a two-way offer. This is what’s happened with Ryan Potulny.
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I think we'll keep him
Just for proper asset management. Let him have a good first 15 games of the year, then trade him for a pick or a prospect to some team that scouts how good he can be, and is willing to take a chance on him. We don’t need to take that chance, there are enough other guys gunning for his spot.
by spez_dispenser on Jan 18, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he'll have any trade value after 15 games
Considering how much time he’s missed with injury, 15 games probably won’t sell any GMs.
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I'm not saying we'd get a great pick for him.
I’d be thrilled with a fourth rounder. If Regin comes out and plays like he’s capable of for the first 15 games of the season, and it looks like his knee (shoulder? I can’t even remember) is in good shape, I think there are GMs who would give that a go. And then we’d at least get something. I just don’t imagine BM just letting him walk without ANYTHING in return.
by spez_dispenser on Jan 18, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
It's his shoulder. Same one.
He’s looking at two surgeries in less than a calendar year. That’s a huge red flag that effectively kills his trade value. A healthy Filatov was worth a 3rd. It’s hard to imagine a bionic Regin carrying any trade value.
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I don't know...
I’m just having that feeling that we should give him a true chance to prove what he worth. I mean the guy has shown several flashes (remember the series two years ago?) of what he’s able to be. Last year was a bump in the road but it was for the whole team. Don’t forget that he was projected to be our second center for the years to come just behind spezza so I think we should give him time to get healthy. Plus he haven’t done bad before getting hurt this season in my opinion.
I agree
I totally think he should get the opportunity to earn a spot on the team. I just don’t see him beating out Spezza, Turris, or Zibanejad next year. And if he wants to go the wing, he’s got some real competition there as well in Silfverberg, and possibly some of our other strong forward prospects.
I don’t doubt his talent, but you’d have to agree that his inability to stay healthy has opened holes that other players have filled.
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He's a real enigma isn't he. You hear about and see some of his skill set
but to date has few scoring points to showcase. @Spec_dispenser, just because you want to trade him doesn’t mean we’ll have a dance partner or that we’ll get anything significant back. Tough call.
by whatsinaname on Jan 18, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
I say the best thing would be to keep him, and let him play in Bingo
He’s talented, and if he can stay healthy would be a great callup, but his history suggests he can’t.
Exhibit A: Milan Michalek
We have our very own bionic super-winger and his multiple knee surgeries seem to have finally sorted him out (knock-on-wood). Having said that…
I think grabbing Turris effectively killed Regin’s chances of coming back into this line-up. Let’s face it – Zsmith is a prototypical 3rd line centre. The 4th line centre is always going to be a cheap, hard-nosed grinder-type (maybe Konopka will end his career with the Sens!)
How we manage to get any value out of Regin in this situation… that’s why Murray gets the big bucks.
As far as Z-bad making the roster next year, I contend it will be either as a winger or in a 2010/11 Tyler Seguin type of situation – frequent healthy scratch, draws into a number of games due to injuries, whatever. I don’t see him developing so fast as to displace anyone we already have.
...
(maybe Konopka will end his career with the Sens!)
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I think Mikachu will be replacing Greening on the wing
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Likely.
Greening is good, but I don’t think he’s the first liner we’re looking for. Maybe with more time he could be, but not right now.
Yeah, Greening lacks skill of a top liner
He’s got the size, strength and speed to be an effective third/fourth liner, though, so he’ll continue to be a valuable asset for the team.
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Michalek-Spezza-Parise
Zibanejad-Turris-Silfverberg
Greening-Z. Smith-Condra
(fourth liners)
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I thought you were a Foligno man now
And after his big night too…
For shame.
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 18, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Oh shit, I forgot about him
Um… traded for Parise?
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Yes
But then we traded that 2nd for Jaro Spacek. Sorry.
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Blasphemy Parisi! No prematurely retiring Alfie!
by modsuperstar on Jan 19, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry, man
I think he’s done. :(
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by Mark Parisi on Jan 19, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Who banhammers the admins?
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 19, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I see him as an ideal third line player
He has the speed and shot to really make weaker defensive pairings pay, and the size to get the puck in the corners, and help on the power play. And he can slide up to the top six in a crunch. He just shouldn’t stay there every game.
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And a spot thus far filled admirably.
I agree completely that Regin has shown flashes but wow has this Turris acquisition shown how flashes do not stick in people’s minds long. I dont know if I’m alone but I’ve nearly forgotten about the poor guy since getting Turris (DaCosta too! Eep). I mean the kid’s riding a hot streak right now and Turris’ pedigree is unfairly high compared to a player like Regin who’s from a place more known for being the birthplace of Lego rather than NHL players. I could see him doing a long conditioning stint in Binghamton if and when he’s ready to play again. Whether it ends up actually as reconditioning or contract burial, we shall see. Hope for the best for the guy! Go Sens (obv)
How is anyone supposed to top Sterling Snakehouse?
by worsteverything on Jan 18, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
His best days with this team were on the wing
I think we keep him, if only for the sake of asset management (as others have mentioned) he’s too talented to just let go. If our centre depth pushes him out, look for him on Turris’ wing next year, cause I get the feeling that combo could be deadly if they get some chemistry going.
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by Johnny_Spectacular on Jan 18, 2012 4:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Shouldn't be. You can't predict a previous injury based on a past one...
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 18, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
True
You can’t predict it, but you can reasonably assume that repeated injuries to the same area make it more susceptible to future injuries—which is exactly what’s happened to Regin, unfortunately.
… you snarky punk. :)
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i can't believe i missed the chance to jump in here!
but alas, i was playing a game with my kids… priorities.
Paulrus
had no qualms with the penalty. I don’t either.
The spirit of the rule is to protect the knees, primarily, but I think lowbridging, even to avoid a hit, is considered poor form. Salo got concussed, not a torn MCL. Based on the screencaps above, I don’t think we can call it clipping (even though from that view you can’t say foligno didn’t hit the knees), but it wasn’t a clean play. Foligno easily could have stood up to absorb the hit, or be the aggressor and put his shoulder into Phaneuf.
Anyway,
Marchand was predatory, Foligno reactionary, a play that sometimes happens (The Canucks did this several times in the playoffs), so nothing will come of this.
Plus, Foligno owned up, fought, won, and is continuing to be a pesky power forward. And stirred the pot, implying Phaneuf embellished. Glorious!
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Completely Disagree
Murray needs to sit MacLean down and have a talk with him about all the dumb stuff he says after games and to the media in general. There have been way too many instances this season where he completely throws his player under the bus. Saying at least a few other times that since the refs called it a penalty it must have been or not have been. This hit was not a penalty. It was ass to hip, ass to thigh at worst. Phaneuf leaves his feet and looks like a fool because of it. And when there is a questionable call I would like our coach to stick up for his players like his GM does rather than throwing them to the wolves.
I don't mind MacLean's approach
You don’t want to criticise the referees or they might start going out of their way to call stuff against you. Please, he’s a rookie coach.
Murray can defend his players because he doesn’t have to deal with the referees every night.
It’s a good balance.
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by Adnan on Jan 18, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The thing about MacLean's approach
is that he’s not only saying that the refs aren’t wrong, he’s saying that they’re right. If he’s not going to stick up for his players the least he could do is keep his mouth shut.
He often just says that, the referees called it, I am not going to try to do this job, I’ve seen Karlsson/Kane replay 14-15 times, etc.
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Maybe he just hates Foligno
because the other instance I can specifically recall was when Foligno got thrown out and MacLean left him hanging that time also.
I can’t remember, what did he say about the Crosby elbow? I know Murray ripped Crosby, but can’t remember if MacLean said anything.
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Have you considered that he may only be trying to avoid controversy in the media?
Foligno’s ice time didn’t suffer as a result of the hit or the fight. I think you’re overreacting. The players seem to have plenty of respect for MacLean, so they don’t seem to feel they’re being thrown under the bus or left hanging.
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Agreed
Clearly it’s not affecting the players, but what about me? And by me, I mean the perception of the fans and media. I just think it’s easier and better for the coach to take the heat than his players.
I can see where you're coming from
And I don’t mean to sound disrespectful, but I prefer that MacLean does what’s best for his team, not what’s best for outside perception of them.
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I don't see PM being honest as throwing his players under the bus at all.
Besides, I often see his comments about the refs as sarcasm with a straight face. Foligno deserved 2 minutes for the hit on Dion and what PM said was very matter of fact.
by whatsinaname on Jan 18, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Frankly, i agree with Paulrus saying what he said
While technically – by the wording – i guess it wasn’t a penalty, but i still think it’s a dangerous play that deserves to be highlighted. underneath a players hips, you are getting under a player’s center of gravity and are likely going to send him ass-over-teakettle. It doesnt matter to me that he didn’t take him at the knees – the result can still be injury, just less likely to be a knee injury.
I like Foligno a lot and have a lot of respect for the fact that he went toe-to-toe with Phaneuf but I don’t care to see many more of those kinds of hits in the NHL.
MacLean is being smart
Refs are human. They make mistakes and they hear about it when they do. Calling them out in the media after a game wont change the score, it will only embarrass the ref and build resentment between him and the coach.
Paulrus is showing the refs professional respect so they will listen to him when it really matters, during a game!
by anothersensfan on Jan 18, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Opps
Calling them out in the media after a game won’t change the score
by anothersensfan on Jan 18, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Agree to disagree.
Saying that what a player did was a penalty is throwing them under the bus? MacLean saw it happen live, in fast motion, and from his angle thought it was a penalty. More to the point, MacLean probably doesn’t like his players ducking at oncoming hits. Saying an action was a penalty isn’t really a negative comment about a player — it’s simply talking about one play, and just an easy way to diffuse the situation.
I generally love what MacLean says after games. I’ve found that he does a good job of handling the media’s questions.
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MacLean is open, honest
and respectful of his players, the opposition, and the refs.
Its refreshing to have a coach not pull the homer card, and never admit to his own team’s fouls.
Why are we complaining again? The Leafs are complaining about Reimer’s goalie’s inteference non-call, but they lost by a goal, so that ended up playing a part….
We won. We got out of Dodge with 2 points. Trying to tease out if Foligno hit his knees versus quads versus knees but only because Phaneuf jumped etc etc, not sure it matters. Foligno probably should have absorbed the hit without lowbridging, he fought, a penalty was called, Phaneuf got punched in the face.
Its all good.
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Unlike Claude Julian saying it wasn't a dirty hit by Marchard. Or a lot of coaches always
siding with their players regardless.
by whatsinaname on Jan 18, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Love MacLean
He’s so straight forward, lighthearted, and amiable that he really seems to get the media to eat out of his hands. Having the media like the coach is huge, especially when he’s the coach of the Ottawa Senators.
Images a little deceptive, I'd say
You’re seeing the Foligno hit partway through. On the replay, you can clearly see the first part of Phaneuf to get touched by Foligno is the knees, and that’s why it’s fair to call it clipping. I don’t think it was any more than 2 minutes, but I do think the 2 minutes were fair.
Totally agree
not malicious or predatory like Marchand, but still clipping.
No problems with the minor. Phaneuf could have had a serious injury. Whatever. Foligno got a penalty, owned up, Sens stole two points, its a non-issue now. Don’t think we can complain, anyway, since goal #2 was dangerously close to being inteference, and it would have been understandable if that call went against us. Thankfully, it didn’t.
Was there any word on Phaneuf’s reaction to Foligno suggesting he, um, made it look worse than it was? Like to see the scowl on Cro-Magnon’s face to that!
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That's true - it is a still picture
I didn’t see any TV replays until I got home from the game, but the image does imply it was over the knees. My impression was that he didn’t hit the knees.
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Can someone make a gif of the Foligno hit?
You know, for…educational purposes?
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Great GIF
Great quote.
It’s like a template for recs.
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by Mark Parisi on Jan 18, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That is why I am here!
Shawn McEachern: The best Senator to ever wear 15.
Zack Smith: The future best Senator to ever wear 15.
by Speedy_McEachern on Jan 18, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Kyle Turris is a Patriots fan!
I officially love him now.
Kyle Turris
@RyanReynolds716 heard youre a NYG fan, not gonna lie, the pats are my team. Hope its an 07 rematch with a different outcome! #bradysbetter
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F*** the Pats
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Cam Jordan-DROY
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TOP IS GAWD!
by Alex Swift on Jan 18, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
While we're at it.
Fuck the Niners too.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
TOP IS GAWD!
Meh.
They’re not good enough for me to hate.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
TOP IS GAWD!
They’re like the Hurricanes of the NFL
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
TOP IS GAWD!
I have nothing against Tebow.
He wins, and that’s all that matters. But, like the Patriots showed, if you can keep him in the pocket, force him to read a defense, then he breaks down. He works best when teams have to account for his scrambling.
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TOP IS GAWD!
He can be good, but he needs plenty more development
I don’t think throwing him into the fire is going to be the right way to do that.
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by Mark Parisi on Jan 19, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
If only the NFL had a minor league. Can we make the CFL a feeder system?
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Who dat!
Who dat say…oh right. ;)
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
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I think I can finally say it, we won the Rundblad trade.
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
Twitter: @sens_adnan
I'm going to link to this response SO MANY TIMES!
by spez_dispenser on Jan 18, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
The Patriots make everything better!
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It looks that way, but really, it's way too early to say
I think we’ll have a better sense in three years
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I was just referring to liking the Patriots part.
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BUT WHAT IF MECHAKARLSSON LOVES THE PATRIOTS TOO
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Am I a bad person for loving the ineffective bleating of Leafs fans
Complaining that Spezza’s goal was a blown call by the refs and sticking to it steadfastly, insisting it’s the only possible way it wasn’t called for goaltender interference, when there’s a perfectly valid explanation under the goaltender interference rules?
Also...
Not acknowledging that if you can’t get past a bad goal you don’t deserve to win…
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 18, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
Generally speaking, when people disagree with me, they are crazy people!
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Except about Brady.
He’s a little girl. With little saddle shoes. And little pigtails.
by Pmoron on Jan 18, 2012 3:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sir, that is a mantle I choose to wear with PRIDE. Good-day!
I said good-day!
How many of us here actually believe Foligno when he said
he was trying to avoid a collision with Dion? Or that Foligno was on a collision course on purpose, just that he didn’t know how the hit was going to develop till the last second?
he said what he said
It’s still a dangerous kind of hit and shouldnt be in the game. We don’t need players flying through the air with their skates slicing jugulars. I don’t see this as a blight on Foligno’s character but i certainly hope he decides to just take the next one in the shoulders. Or just punch Phaneuf in the face.
Maybe Phaneuf will remember this when he goes around trying to railroad little guys in the future (I’m thinking Da Costa).
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 18, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
have you looked at Phaneuf?!
If his intellect matches his cro-magnon-man appearance, i don’t give him hope of remembering much.
“Me hit little guy. Little guy fall. Heh-heh! Whistle BAD!”
Kerry Fraser analyzes last night's game
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=385425
Summaryof his thoughts:
1) Foligno deserved clipping penalty, but no suspension
2) Spezza’s goal was interference.
3) Phaneuf should not have received an extra two minutes when he fought Foligno.
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I disagree with him on the goal
Though I’ve only got the one replay angle to work with. But from that one angle, it looks like the contact was due to Spezza going for the loose puck.
I'll agree with points one and two
But three? If it wasn’t roughing it would hafta be instigator because that was textbook.
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by Johnny_Spectacular on Jan 18, 2012 4:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
and I only agree with two in that if interference had been called on the ice, I would be hard pressed to argue.
That said, it wasn’t, so #@*+ it.
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by Johnny_Spectacular on Jan 18, 2012 5:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I do think the interference/no-interference was borderline
And really came down to a judgement call by the refs on the ice. Another ref could have easily made the opposite call (like Fraiser)
Well, Foligno has said he asked Phaneuf if he wanted to fight, so it sounds pretty mutual (even if Phaneuf went over there for the fight).
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Aah, I was unaware.
Guess that cancels that one out, then. The calls did go our way last night, thats for sure.
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by Johnny_Spectacular on Jan 18, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Fraser is just trying to see if he can mitigate some death threats
and try and buy some goodwill with Leaf fans.
The hockey world is losing perspective here – it wasn’t a deciding OT game for the Stanely Cup fer crissakes! Further evidence that Leaf-land is the center of the hockey universe. And Leaf fans wonder why everybody else makes fun of them…
They don't wonder that at all
For some crazy reason, they think it’s out of envy.
Hey hey
Kid Ellz with a 2 year extension. Congrats to him.
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 18, 2012 6:44 PM EST reply actions
Seriously, good for him
Would be more appropriate if he signed with the Coyotes, though.
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