Silver Nuggets: Bryan Murray looking to add at the deadline
by Adnan on Jan 11, 2012 1:00 PM EST
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PrintPierre LeBrun had a series of quotes after speaking to Bryan Murray this morning. Here is what Murray said about adding players at the deadline:
"Yes, if we continue to get wins over the next month or so, you want to give your players the best chance you can. I'd be wrong if I didn't think that some of these older guys on our team didn't deserve a chance to be helped going into the playoffs, if that's where we end up."
"We'd probably be looking for a forward."
So assuming Bryan Murray isn't trading our first round pick for a rental such as Shane Doan, what kind of move would Murray be looking to make? Personally, I don't think the Senators need a forward as much as a bottom pairing defenceman or a backup goaltender (I had a whole rant on this which I now had to delete). Who could be on the move? Also worth mentioning, while Murray wasn't quoted as saying this, LeBrun did mention that Murray's overall plan is still building through the youth.
Trade candidates
- Filip Kuba, Matt Carkner, Brian Lee: These are all defenceman on expiring contracts. Kuba is a bit different as he is an important player so far, but he could be available for the right price as well, especially if the Senators get a player instead of a draft pick. Given Murray's comments though, I would be shocked if Kuba is traded.
- Zenon Konopka, Jesse Winchester: Both players are unrestricted free agents and could fetch a lower draft pick. They can easily be replaced by others in the organisation.
- Stéphane Da Costa, Nick Foligno, Bobby Butler: Da Costa has done well in the AHL with 15 points in 18 games. But what does the acquisition of Kyle Turris mean for him? Could Da Costa, Foligno or Butler be part of a bigger trade? Could Murray's
- Jason Spezza: Just kidding, he is not going any where.
Here are the links:
- Game recap from last night. (Silver Seven, PensBurgh, Ottawa Sun, Senators Extra)
- Erik Karlsson was not at practise today, though Paul MacLean did say last night that he should be okay for Thursday night. (Allen Panzeri)
- Daniel Alfredsson was not at practise either. The lines were Greening-Spezza-Michalek, Foligno-Smith-Neil, Daugavins-Konopka-Butler. Condra and Turris were sadly practising without a third linemate. (Sylvain St-Laurent)
- Derek Zona picks his midseason awards with Paul MacLean as his pick for the Jack Adams. (SB Nation)
- Would you trade Erik Karlsson for Jonas Hiller? (Anaheim Calling)
- Bruce Garrioch would like to trade Matt Puempel or Stefan Noesen for "scoring depth". Granted, if for some absurd reason that gets Bobby Ryan, awesome. But that isn't going to happen. (Ottawa Sun)
- Norm Maciver feels Erik Karlsson's performance is more impressive than his own back in 1992-1993. It was a much more higher scoring league, where Maciver's 63 points were the 12th most by a defenceman. (Ottawa Citizen)
- The Sens playoff chances are now at 72.4% at SportsClubStats and 67% at PlayoffStatus.
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Hahahaha, Hiller for Karlsson. That’s a complete non-starter.
As for players who could be on the move — I think Garrioch’s right that it would likely be Puempel, Noesen, or some other prospect. Winchester and Konopka aren’t going to move, because we won’t get anything of value in return for them that we could use in a playoff push.
Co-manager, Silver Seven
Depends how he does it
If it is a huge package of Noesen, Puempel, draft picks for Perry, fine that’s great.
If it is Puempel for 28 year old 2nd line winger, no thanks.
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
Twitter: @sens_adnan
by Adnan on Jan 11, 2012 1:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I hate it no matter what
Stay the course.
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 11, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You'd be upset about Puempel being traded for a 28 year old 2nd line winger?
I think I’d be pretty happy with that, actually. The odds of Puempel becoming a second line winger are pretty slim, and a 28 year old winger is in his prime — he’d be good during the playoff run, and for a few seasons after if we could keep him.
Co-manager, Silver Seven
i should note that it would depend on the winger and their contract status, etc. But that’s not a terrible trade.
Co-manager, Silver Seven
We should just sign Mike Comrie instead
He’s a free agent. And hey, third time’s the charm.
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 11, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
I think he should try to track down Mike Sillinger
Curtis Leschyshyn, and Tom Barrasso – let us all recall the poo poo trades of the past.
Wasn't Puempel referred to as a pure goal scorer?
The guy who can just shoot pucks at the net and score at will? Why is it that the odds are slim he’ll become a 2nd line winger? What changed since June when that or better is where he was projected?
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
It’s not referring specifically to Puempel. It’s that any late first round pick has a slim chance of becoming a regular NHLer, much less a top-six forward.
Co-manager, Silver Seven
Ok
I was confused because you did specifically refer to Peumpel in your comment. Thanks for clearing that up.
I would disagree with you however. Though I haven’t seen any actual statistics and we haven’t defined what our definitions of ‘slim’ are. I think any 1st round pick should have the odds in their favour at getting a shot of being a NHL regular. Given how much weight we now put on draft picks and developing through the draft 1st round picks are given every opportunity to develop into NHL players. Would you not agree that roughly 33% of 1st round draft picks should make it as NHL regulars? With the apparent success BM & his staff have had at targeting draft picks to become players, I would think any pick in the 1st round by that staff should stand even better odds at becoming NHL regulars.
But to be clear, you’d be ok with Peumpel being traded for Tuomo Ruutu? Cause I don’t think I’d be so happy with that trade. I don’t think this team is simply a Tuomo away from competing for a Stanley Cup. And if that’s the case, why are we trading the future for the here and now?
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
The specific Puempel part was because I specifically mentioned Puempel I believe.
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
Twitter: @sens_adnan
i'd be very happy to land Tuomo Ruutu with Puempel.
If Puempel turns into a Tuomo Ruutu calibre player down the line, the Senators will be very, very lucky.
As for the stats: http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/scott_cullen/?id=267960.
Puempel was selected 24th overall. Looking to the TSN article:
No. 21 – 25
Average Rating: 4.96
Best: Mike Richards, Simon Gagne, Daniel Briere, Brad Boyes.
Worst: Luca Cereda, Jeff Brown, Craig Hillier, Mikhail Kuleshov, Nikos Tselios.
At Least 100 NHL Games (or very likely): 72%
No. 26-30
Average Rating: 3.82
Best: Mike Green, Martin Havlat, Scott Gomez, Corey Perry, Niklas Kronwall.
Worst: Andy Rogers, Martin Vagner, Mike Morris, Jonas Johansson, Ari Ahonen, Kevin Grimes.
At Least 100 NHL Games (or very likely): 44%
Those ratings, btw:
5 – NHL Regular (Michael Rupp, Boyd Devereaux )
4 – Fringe NHLer (Kris Beech, Krystofer Kolanos )
3 – Very Good Minor Leaguer (Pavel Brendl, Jeff Heerema )
I agree that the Sens need more than Tuomo to win a cup. But I also think Tuomo would be pretty damn good value for Puempel.
Co-manager, Silver Seven
I just don’t think the team needs to be trading assets like Peumpel – who projects to be 2nd line or better and we’ll retain their rights for a number of years – for a current 2nd line or better player whom we’ll have no rights to at the end of the season. Especially because I don’t believe this team is ready to compete for a cup this season, and so it seems pointless to me to do so. I think the team still needs to unload some of our own players such as Kuba &/or Gonchar for picks/prospects. Save the trading of our young guys for ‘pieces’ to the Stanley Cup puzzle for 2 or 3 years down the road.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
Puempel draft spot
is misleading.. remember, he had a short year that year due to injury. If you do some google’ing, you’ll see that he was ranked as high as 5th overall at the beginning of the year. He could end up being the steal of the 1st round.
Imagine if Alex Galchenyuk falls in the draft this year like Puempel did last year? I would like that very much.
Maybe Garrioch
Should read this blog a little more so he’d discover some of this information. But that would require the exercise of journalism.
by StraightFromTHM on Jan 12, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
Galchenyuk is getting rave reviews. I’ve heard in a number of places that he would be 1 or 2 right now if healthy.
Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.
Why shoot off his mouth?
It’s ridiculous to even think of ditching a player with Puempel’s potential for ANY 39 year old… albeit Ruutu is a good one.
There is a reason why the draft has so many rounds, and that is that an organization needs alot of prospects to produce even one top six forward. There are no guarantees no matter how highly the “so-called” experts rate someone. Puempel could be a star and he could be a career ECHL minor leaguer.
And we will need probably six “Puempels” to produce one legitimate top six guy. Going the UFA route guarantees one thing… overpayment or alot of cap space used up…
A couple of mistakes in UFA-land and any team starts to look like the Canadiens with zero cap space left to do anything but wait until the long term “anchor” deals play their way out.
Whereas, if one of the guys drafted doesn’t work out, so what… we move on to the next guy.
Any winning team wins because there are alot of 3rd and 4th liners contributing alot at affordable salaries. Yes, the top six guys are also contributing, but that’s always a given for any winning team.
I just don’t see what the purpose of BM shooting off his mouth is. He’s always going to be talking to other GMs, but why drive your players crazy with public trade talk when we are winning.
by Marvellous on Jan 12, 2012 7:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
P may turn out to be a T. But P is young and a future asset. T has next to nothing left. When a team has had such a short run of success you can’t make crazy risky deals like this. This is more a Detroit Redwings acquiring one last piece deal (and even they understand the need to keep young players). The sens are AT LEAST a year off still.
Develop your young talent. Ridiculous proposition.
by billshabsriders on Jan 12, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
This is true in isolation
You are right, 2nd line winger is likely to have a better career than generic 20s pick. I used a similar logic to arguing against trading Jason Spezza.
But, then when you consider we have so many potential 2nd liners, Puempel, Noesen, Zibanejad, Stone, Silfverberg, that you got to think one of them will hit the jack pot. Trading one away lowers those chances. And then on top of that, I am not sure we need a 2nd line winger for this season, our 2nd line is pretty good. Condra will eventually drop away, but we could still plug in Butler. A 28 year old 2nd liner is unlikely to ever become a 1st liner.
I feel quite confident we will make the playoffs this year with the current roster, barring a serious injury to Spezza or Karlsson.
</end rant>
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
Twitter: @sens_adnan
Heh, I still don’t really think we’ll make the playoffs, and I’d prefer not to trade anyone.
Co-manager, Silver Seven
Why you no believe? :(
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
Twitter: @sens_adnan
I just think the Senators will hit a losing streak similar to their current winning streak. I think the offense simply has to slow down at some point, and a team that constantly trails can’t continue to climb back and win games late.
Co-manager, Silver Seven
I see no signs for a losing streak
The Senators haven’t gone back-to-back games without a point for 2 months. They’ve actually been winning consistently for a while. The method of winning (come backs) might not be sustainable, but overall they have been deserved.
The only way I see this team not missing the playoffs is with a significant injury to Spezza/Karlsson.
I think this team is actually a pretty decent team as Fenwick/Close would suggest and I don’t really think they are getting lucky.
I guess we will see. ;)
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
Twitter: @sens_adnan
Anderson.
If he goes down, we’re borked. BORKED.
Lehner can barely keep it together in the AHL. It’d be insane for him to come up to the NHL and be a servicable #1. And Auld isn’t good enough to be the starter from his play this season.
I would disagree
I think Lehner would do better in the NHL than the AHL. My personal feeling is that he’s kind of bored there having already won a minor league title. I have no real reason to justify this though but I think Lehner can match Anderson’s performance of allowing 3 goals/game.
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
Twitter: @sens_adnan
I would disagree.
Lehner hasn’t shown he can play at the NHL level. If he can, great, but if he can’t, then we’re royally screwed. Hopefully we don’t have to test this theory.
HE IS UNDEFEATED THIS YEAR IN THE NHL
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
Twitter: @sens_adnan
No way Lehner can walk onto this team and be a better NHL goalie than Anderson this year.
Co-manager, Silver Seven
I don’t think I said he would be better. ;)
I said the Senators could survive an Anderson injury and make the playoffs. I think Lehner would be adequate (again for no real reason).
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
Twitter: @sens_adnan
That’s the thing, I don’t think our goaltending has been much more than average this year and I think Lehner could supply average at this point in his career. While I don’t think he deserves to be in the NHL right now, he’s also a guy that seems to play better under pressure.
by modsuperstar on Jan 11, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Lehner hasn't been on Call of Duty for like WEEKS
He needs to get back to killing computerized shit
by StraightFromTHM on Jan 12, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Very thin in nets
It’s quite foolish to be this thin in the most important position there is… between the pipes.
If Anderson goes down, the Sens go down with him. We probably lead the league in giving up odd man rushes. Does anyone know where to find those kind of stats?
Lehner may be ready to fill in for a few games but not to be a #1 for any length of time.
and then i read this and saw we think along the same lines...
ha ha
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
I want to know how Perry ranks as a 2nd line winger when he notched 50 goals last year. Sure it may be an outlier year, but I’d love to have a “second” line guy who’s averaged 80ish points a season the last 3 seasons. If you could turn Puempel into Perry I’d do that trade 10/10 times given the current circumstances. And as I know, if a trade proposal sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
The thing I remember was that I think most people felt both Puempel and Noesen were stretches as far as first rounders. I don’t think any draft expert had either of them earlier than 30.
by modsuperstar on Jan 11, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Adnan was suggesting Perry is a 2nd liner. It seems he’s saying he’s cool with a trade to get a first liner (Perry), but not giving up a first rounder (or former first rounder) for a second liner.
Co-manager, Silver Seven
Yeah I would be okay with multiple prospects for Perry actually.
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
Twitter: @sens_adnan
I think you misunderstand me
I said if we get Perry, that would be great. But if it is for a second line winger, i.e. not Perry, then I would pass.
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
Twitter: @sens_adnan
Yeah, my bad. I just assumed Perry fit the 28 year old winger criteria, which he doesn’t
by modsuperstar on Jan 11, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Karlsson for Hiller? Ha!
Could Da Costa, Foligno or Butler be part of a bigger trade? Could Murray’s
Could Murray’s what? I’m on pins and needles here!
by Pmoron on Jan 11, 2012 1:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Adnan did that to make himself more enigmatic
Well, at any rate, the Dormouse said—" the Hatter went on, looking anxiously round to see if he would deny it too; but the Dormouse denied nothing, being fast asleep.
"After that," continued the Hatter, "I cut some more bread and butter—"
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 11, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
it is a game!
Readers finish my thoughts.
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
Twitter: @sens_adnan
by Adnan on Jan 11, 2012 1:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Now I hope we start to suck so that BM doesn't jump the gun
And I hate cheering against us. It’s confusing.
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 11, 2012 1:12 PM EST reply actions
When I saw the LeBrun piece on twitter I was in full panic mode. Complete with thumb-sucking, crying and laying in the fetal position, rocking back and forth.
Though I think that as long as Murray is focused on youth and the future I’m probably ok. Probably…
by Pmoron on Jan 11, 2012 1:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's inconsistent with the other statements though
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 11, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Only if we're talking high-end skill.
If it’s someone we can pick up cheaply then it’s not terrible. Don’t get me wrong, I’d rather he stay the course and avoid all deadline buys, but if (and it’s a big if, I know), Murray is shopping for depth guys then maybe there’s a reasonable option out there. If he’s got dreams of Perry, Ryan, or Getzlost, I say hells to the nos; any of those three should fetch a high enough price that he can’t avoid mortgaging the future (and then taking out two more mortgages on it).
by Pmoron on Jan 11, 2012 1:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Murray needs to chill
If the current roster can make the playoffs then great. If he can flip Filatov for a spare D-man then fine. However, I don’t want to see him dealing high picks and good prospects for rental players. Don’t go there Murray!
by DW19 on Jan 11, 2012 1:26 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
exactly, it's not like we are afraid of change
but there seems to be good chemistry brewing with the Sens, citation needed? refer to this season.
but we can dump filatov or regin or lee, itll be for the sake of our continuing but weird ‘rebuild’. giving away draft picks at this stage is a nono.
Agreed
We’ve won the Turris lottery thus far, but in the end the house always wins.
How often has Ottawa traded for a rental only to end up arguably worse.
by SuckItTrebek on Jan 11, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
I believe he was referring to Tyler Arnason
Who made Oleg Saprykin look like Gretzky.
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 11, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Freakin' Saprykin!
I loved how he played. Arnason always felt like some frat boy asshole dude, just because of his name.
by StraightFromTHM on Jan 11, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
That's it
We’ll sign Oleg Saprykin! Notice we made zero Stanley Cup finals appearance both before and after him playing for the team.
by modsuperstar on Jan 11, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn't trying to imply that
More that Bryan Murray is in gamblers mode, if that makes more sense and since he just “won” he might be willing to risk more.
by SuckItTrebek on Jan 11, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
That Bryan Murray is so Clever
Leaking that he is leaning to make a move near the deadline should the team be in postition to make a run for the playoffs.
What better way to gauge fans reaction to such a move and determine what the fan base will accept in this, the first year of our rebuild.
He’ll have his minions scour all of the blogging & community websites (perhaps you are one of those minions reading this comment right now. HI!) seeing what the fans find acceptable. If such a deal is to be had that he finds will help the team, he’ll pull the trigger. If not we’ll get the famous “the asking price was just too high for us” quote.
Clever, clever Mr Murray.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
by havey03 on Jan 11, 2012 1:39 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Karlsson for Hiller
is like all of the trades we’ve been proposing where we send a bunch of good, but not great, guys to a team for some great guy.
Also, Murray should move guys for picks or prospects down the line, even if it is not going to be of benefit during the current play-offs (in which it is increasingly likely that the Senators will be playing). Also, Murray should not trade prospects or picks for veteran players. In short, Murray should keep his hands off his phone, except when answering it in order to listen to some other GM’s pitch.
On the other hand, if he can get his hands on a young player – preferably not a reclamation project – who can help out both now and in the future, fine.
Hahah, we keep throwing Regin, Lee and Konopka out there to trade...
if players are expendable to us, what make you think they can fetch us better players? As a responsible GM, BM must keep his options open, listen to all offers, talk to the other GMs and be aware of who’s available and be ready to act. What, we don’t know because serious negotiations haven’t started yet. Ever seen a trade where you say to yourself, man, we could have totally done that trade and get that player! Well, that’s all BM is saying, keep your ears and eyes alert for the right trade.
by whatsinaname on Jan 11, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
LeBrun's midseason awards
He has Cowen 3rd for Calder, MacLean 3rd for Jack Adams and Karlsson 5th for Norris.
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
Twitter: @sens_adnan
I dig the idea of making a trade, or even picking up a rental
Just don’t sell the farm and, if a trade IS made, make it in the Turris model; buy youth and high end skill, not worn out vets.
Scholar, Gentleman, Shameless Sens Homer with a Heart of Gold.
by Johnny_Spectacular on Jan 11, 2012 2:29 PM EST reply actions
Stay the course
If we make a trade, its like Turris for Rundblad: help now, that can also help 5+ years from now. Trade youth, for slightly more experienced youth.
Zibanejad should be a legit top 6 winger/center, but
Puempel, Noesen, Stone, Prince, Pageau, Hoffman are all lottery tickets. The more we have, the more likely it is we’ll end up grabbing a winner. What if we traded the one jackpot of the bunch and ended up with NHL-AHL tweeners?
"If you aren't diving, you aren't trying"-Jordin Tootoo
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Getzlaf
Getzlaf for Stone + ZBad and a 1st rounder?
The 'A' on Minnesotta Wild winger Dany Heatley's jersey does NOT stand for 'assistant'.
I really hope you're kidding.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
TOP IS GAWD!
I've seen it 'out there' a few times.
Though I’d love Getzlaf, that price is too steep. Wonder what it’d take to get him though. Clearly he doesn’t enjoy either ANA or BruceB.
The 'A' on Minnesotta Wild winger Dany Heatley's jersey does NOT stand for 'assistant'.
If we make this trade, I will personally kick BM in the nards.
by spez_dispenser on Jan 11, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Drop Stone out of that deal it looks like a win. Zibanejad was a riser in the draft last year due to a hell on wheels two months in the SEL. This year he has been unable to recapture that. Aside from the potential that Zibanejad may never be a good NHLer, we’re set at centre. Turris is performing admirably as our 2nd line centre and Zmith is doing his best Ryan Kesler circa 2009 impression. This also makes Getzlaf not the Duck I would prefer, but he is still a great player. Swap Bobby Ryan for Getzlaf and I love the deal without Stone.
I shall summarize my opinion thus:
If The Bryan trades picks and/or prospects for a player who ends up being nothing more than Alexander Semin a rental , I shall personally mail him a manila envelope filled with excrement.
If The Bryan trades picks and/or prospects for a player who is not a rental, I will carefully consider the pros and cons of such a trade before condemning it.
If The Bryan trades one of our veteran blue-liners for picks and/or prospects, I shall rejoice and laud his genius.
Don’t get me wrong, I really hope we make the playoffs this year. But I want to stay the course rather than just saying, “Surprise, we’re good now! Let’s spend like a sailor on leave and trade away our future..” We should stay the course and rebuild so that we can be competitive for the next 10 years, rather than throwing it all away on this year’s team that won’t win the cup regardless of how many rentals we trade for. What are we, the Leafs?!
Shawn McEachern: The best Senator to ever wear 15.
Zack Smith: The future best Senator to ever wear 15.
by Speedy_McEachern on Jan 11, 2012 3:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You haven’t covered what if the Bryan does nothing. :(
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
Twitter: @sens_adnan
Nothing does not make the team worse, nor does it mortgage the future so I'd be fine with it.
Shawn McEachern: The best Senator to ever wear 15.
Zack Smith: The future best Senator to ever wear 15.
by Speedy_McEachern on Jan 11, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
I hope he does nothing.
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
Twitter: @sens_adnan
Nothing is certainly the least risky option.
Shawn McEachern: The best Senator to ever wear 15.
Zack Smith: The future best Senator to ever wear 15.
by Speedy_McEachern on Jan 11, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Also, is your signature like that because you lost a bet?
Shawn McEachern: The best Senator to ever wear 15.
Zack Smith: The future best Senator to ever wear 15.
by Speedy_McEachern on Jan 11, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Nope!
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
Twitter: @sens_adnan
Just embracing how your perceived, hmm? :-P
Shawn McEachern: The best Senator to ever wear 15.
Zack Smith: The future best Senator to ever wear 15.
by Speedy_McEachern on Jan 11, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
*you're perceived.
Grammar fail.
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Zack Smith: The future best Senator to ever wear 15.
by Speedy_McEachern on Jan 11, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. ;)
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
Twitter: @sens_adnan
He should be careful though.
Mark made Alfie a zero last night for this.
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 11, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
No pain, no gain..we have enough in prospects to take a gamble or two.
by whatsinaname on Jan 11, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Filatov was generally accepted as not a gamble whereas,
Turris for Rundblad qualifies a pain for gain. More pain, more gain? Without sounding like an advocate for S&M.
by whatsinaname on Jan 11, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'd completely disagree about Filatov being "not a gamble"
I thought the general consensus was that he was a gamble, but the price was right to take a chance.
on the Rundblad mention
Seems he’s not playing (he made it into 1 game) and is also not in the AHL. Seems like an odd move to trade for him and not develop him (or at least to not let him play somewhere…)
odd?
The 'A' on Minnesotta Wild winger Dany Heatley's jersey does NOT stand for 'assistant'.
Maybe Ottawa could get him back in exchange for this year’s first rounder (which is looking like it will be in the teens).
What if we give them Lee and Regin for Rundblad and our 2nd round pick back? :P
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by whatsinaname on Jan 11, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
It's a gamble.
But for a third rounder, totally worth it. He could still be a Senator in the future.
So could I
But it’s looking less and less likely for both of us.
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 11, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
dare to dream Roger...dare to dream
The 'A' on Minnesotta Wild winger Dany Heatley's jersey does NOT stand for 'assistant'.
We agree. Its just that you say it's a ganble and I don't
Difference in the definition of gamble?
by whatsinaname on Jan 12, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure I’m with you on #3. IF we are in a playoff spot, picks for Kuba/Gonchar/Lee/Carkner are not enough. I just don’t see how the BM can ransack a fairly delicate backend while counting on current AHL prospects to backfill. And if we are trading any combo of those, how in God’s name do they add up to soemthing that makes a difference?
The problem here is different perspectives
If, like Speedy_McEachern (and myself), you take the view that the Senators’ rebuilding process, however ahead of the game they seem to be, is incomplete, it doesn’t make sense for Murray to think he’s got a contender. The team is in a play-off spot, and might even win a play-off round, but, from this perspective, the worst Murray could do is trade some of the prospects and picks he’s so patiently accumulated on what amounts to a losing gamble. Nor does the short-term pain of losing players whose value to the team is likewise short-term seem like too much of a price to pay from this perspective, even if it makes losing in the first round of the play-offs more likely. ‘[S]omething that makes a difference’ now is not of interest.
I think trading anyone above the third pairing on the blueline is a mistake. I don’t think the long term reward if the return is just prospects/picks is all that great in the long run for the short term pain. I haven’t seen anything yet to suggest our AHL prospectsor existing bottom 3-4 dmen would comfortably slide into the top two pairings.
I’m not fixated on reaching the playoffs or performing superhuman feats if we make them. However, I think the progress and confidence of our younger players both on defence and up front have been enhanced by the overall stability of players like Kuba and Gonchar. To continue to foster the people (sneaky pop culture refeence) we will be counting on in th future, I think there is value in continuing that stability and mentoring role from those two players.
If we can get somethign for Carkner/Lee/Phillips (I know NTC), then I’m OK with that.
I don’t think the long term reward if the return is just prospects/picks is all that great in the long run for the short term pain.
I think otherwise, which is why I said this is a matter, or problem, of perspectives. No amount of commentary on my part will convince you I’m right, and vice versa. Our respective positions shall be verified only in retrospect.
My restricted perspective on this is only for top two pairings. I’m concerned the short term instability is unnecessary and can cloud actual value of developing player. We saw alot of that when we were so destablized last year and players weren’t showing their potential.
It was precisely because we changed so dramatically that we started to improve
since last February: Condra, Smith, Greening, Konopka, Butler, Turris, DeCosta, Daugavins? What do you think bringing in Mika Z, Silfverberg, or Stone will mean, status quo or more changes? We believe we have a good team now that we are winning and therefore should not tinker with success. The thing is, we are not finished with our rebuild.
by whatsinaname on Jan 12, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
My restricted perspective on this is only for top two pairings.
I should have added “for this season.” to further restrict my perspective. You are quite right that the moves made last year paid dividends both immediately and this seaon.
I’m narrowly focussed on this season, and these two pairings. Unless a trade involving Kuba or Gonchar includes a roster player capable of playing on those two pairings, I believe the disruption to a positive timeline of success and team play begun in the latter part of last season, in the Calder Cup race for many of the young uns and the gelling of the team around the Paulrus system would be unnecessarily hampered, for minimal gain.
We have a number of 2nd and lower draft picks in the system, with some good looking guys coming up, as you point out. How many of those do we need? Meantime, we do not have top 2 dmen currently in the system. Maybe current AHLers project to those spots; but not this season. Without Kuba and/or Gonchar, who plays those spots? We already have a shots-against and goals-against statline that is far too high. Carkner/Phillips/Lee aren’t top 2.
As I have said, I don’t care about actual success in plaoyoffs, but in a stable, managed improvement within a structured, coherent team. Trading one or both of those guys may return some 2nd round or lower prospects, who may or may not turn inot a Stone or Alfie gem, but the odds are low. And it woudl probably not materialize in a hurry. Then we start next season with rookies in the 2nd pairing? Or off season mercenaries?
dammit! how did I mess that up?
I put quotes at the beginning and end of the one sentence that is outside the box at the top. what did I do wrong?
You tried.
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by Pmoron on Jan 12, 2012 12:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think for me the key is what kind of return Murray gets in any trade
I do take the view that rebuilding process is incomplete, so I agree that it’s a mistake for Murray to think he’s got a contender. If they make the playoffs and go on a run, what he’s got is a Cinderella, and a good foundation for future years.
Adding a rental player to that mix just for the sake of having [Rental]-Turris-Alfredsson for one year is not a move I would enjoy. Adding a young player who can play the next six years alongside Spezza or Turris, I’d be very comfortable with, even if it meant giving up future prospects to acquire them.
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by Mark Parisi on Jan 11, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
It's illegal to mail feces
Don’t ask how I know.
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What about the colon cancer tests?
The Canadian government is actively encouraging the mailing of feces.
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 12, 2012 7:53 AM EST up reply actions
He's right Mark, there's shit flying all over the place all the time.
by whatsinaname on Jan 12, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
I actually would trade Karlsson for Hiller...
…provided it’s the pre-vertigo Hiller. Hiller was the next best goalie in the league after Thomas (he was criminally underrated all these years), and that’s simply more valuable than a defenseman, even one as good as Karlsson.
Post-vertigo, I don’t think so. He’s played poorly since that injury.
Mine isn't that high right now.
He hasn’t played particularly well, by all accounts. Goalies are generally headcases, but I’m concerned about wee Robin.
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 11, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
The one option the Sens could entertain is taking on a bad contract. They have plenty of cap space and could viably take on bad salary. I can’t think of anyone in particular off the top of my head that meets that criteria, but taking on a bad deal that extends into next year could be viable for the Sens.
Ehh....
The problem with that is that the bad contract is likely bad for one of two reasons:
A) The player is drastically under-performing
B) The player is under-performing a little, on a contract that is way too long
If the player is playing so poorly that a short term contract is considered bad, I don’t want them. And I definitely don’t want any of the “Crazy GM” long term contracts either.
Not necessarily
The contract could just be too rich for a team that is not going to make the playoffs. Teams like Phoenix or Columbus might be willing to move good players who are performing fairly well, but just cost too much in exchange for cheaper players.
I went looking on capgeek for weighty contracts that could be had. Not that I think it’s a fit, but say Mika Kipprusoff was available for say Regin and Carkner? Would you pull the trigger on that trade? A $6mil+ contract for a player who could viably make the team better.
by modsuperstar on Jan 11, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
Regin & Carkner for Kipper is non starter for Calgary
by whatsinaname on Jan 11, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
My suggestion was merely a salary dump kind of move, as I think Calgary has to be moving into rebuild mode soon enough. The rumblings of a tear down have already started. As I said it’s probably not a good fit, but Kipper would help our goaltending tandem, no doubt about it.
by modsuperstar on Jan 12, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
I'll take back what I said if Calgary were stupid enough to make that trade....
even if it’s a salary dump, but is Kipper at 35 y.o, $5.8 per, two years remaining someone who will even fit into our plan?
by whatsinaname on Jan 12, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Especially since I'd consider Kipper a downgrade.
I’m not concerned about Andy, two years ago he nearly dragged a terrible Avalanche team past the Sharks singlehandedly. That was an incredible performance in which he escaped with a .933 SV%.
On that note I’m starting to get excited about what this team might do in the playoffs. We’ve had some great games against good teams and I think there might be some surprises in store for teams that face us.
by Pmoron on Jan 12, 2012 1:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think we could sneak past a round or two.
And it’s a view I’ll continue to have all season long damnit! :P
We are in a tough fight to get into the top eight...
but yea, once in, you never know what’s going to unfurl.
by whatsinaname on Jan 12, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Murray-Goalie
If I were Murray I’d be careful with my youngsters-they seem to be solid and it’s so early in their careers for alot of them…But I think everyonw would agree that if the sens had a truely number 1 number 1 goalie they would go from potential trouble to automatic trouble for most of the leagues elite teams..
Ya, but there are very few elite goalies out there
And even the elite ones break down physically or mentally. Are Ryan Miller and Roberto Luongo elite right now?
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 11, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
No and yes respectively.
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by Speedy_McEachern on Jan 11, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Karlsson
if you would trade arguably the best offensive defenseman in the league for thenext 10 years for anyone-your freaking nuts. Karlsson is untradeable in my book-absolutely.
Karlsson for Crosby, as is
Would you do it?
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 11, 2012 5:18 PM EST reply actions
How could anyone trade for Crosby at this point?
He was out for nearly a year, and then played 7 games before going out again.
Also, the contact that put him out was not anything beyond normal hockey contact in my opinion.
I consider it more likely than not that Crosby’s career is effectively over at this point.
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by Speedy_McEachern on Jan 11, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Nope.
I hate to say it, but I’m at the point right now where I think Crosby’s career may be over. It sucks for him, it sucks for Pittsburg, and it sucks for the league as a whole, but he’s following in the footsteps of Marc Savard and Eric Lindros.
by spez_dispenser on Jan 11, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know how I would react
My favourite player by far on by far my most hated team.
By far my most hated player on by far my favourite sports team?
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
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by Adnan on Jan 11, 2012 5:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes!
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
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Hahahahahah best hockey player in the world?? Worth the gamble….the question is “fun” for discussion but talk about non starters…
It was only intended for discussion. I have no control over team policy.
But why did you put “fun” in “quotes”?
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 12, 2012 7:56 AM EST up reply actions
Like putting the "fun" in fundraising?
by Pmoron on Jan 12, 2012 12:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Overrated players
Article about the a player’s poll of the most overrated players in the NHL (Phaneuf is #1). I’m quite surprised that there are no Senators in the list. I figured Spezza might be in there for some reason.
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there's not a lot of air pumped into Spezza's tires
that’s why he’s not on the list. You rarely hear “Jason Spezza is a top 5 scorer” anymore unlike that nipple Ron WIlson saying…no STATING that Dion is “the best defence man on the planet” back in October.
Spezza’s almost forgotten it seems…minus the all-star votes. Back in the 11-15-19 days, Spezza was a known-comodity…now he’s kinda just settled into a nice career.
Also, having Bobby Orr Karlsson in the spotlight doesn’t hurt either.
The 'A' on Minnesotta Wild winger Dany Heatley's jersey does NOT stand for 'assistant'.
Is Scott Gomez really "overrated"?
I’m pretty sure everyone knows he’s shit at this point.
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by Speedy_McEachern on Jan 11, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I love seeing Phaneuf at the top of the list. I saw I couple people debating him being at the top of the list on Yahoo and thought it funny. Dion is overrated because he managed to sulk his way out of Calgary and into the captaincy of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Having a furrowed brow is apparently what passes for truculence these days.
by modsuperstar on Jan 11, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Then bring back Redden!
Also, Phaneuf isn’t furrowing his brow. He’s a cro-magnon. Or maybe a neanderthal. I don’t know enough to tell the difference.
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 12, 2012 7:57 AM EST up reply actions
Question for Senators fans, do you think Karlsson is the Norris right now, or who do you think is?
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I think he's worth a nomination
I don’t think the “sure he’s great offensively, but he’s a defensive liability” meme that every sportswriter falls back on in lieu of actual insight is in any way accurate. Scott Cullen wrote on TSN.ca today that Karlsson wasn’t going to be nominated because he’s not playing against top lines, which is a clear example of someone making a judgment without watching him play. Karlsson is CONSTANTLY playing against top lines, and is a +7 on a minus team to show for it.
That said, I don’t think he’s going to win against a Chara and a Weber just yet. He’s playing pretty damn well, but isn’t on that level. Give him time, though, he’s still on an ELC, and is getting better every year.
by spez_dispenser on Jan 11, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he'll ever win a Norris
His defensive play is just not good enough, and he’d have to turn in many years of shutdown play to shake the stigma of being a defensive liability, which he is also not.
He’s an average defensive defenseman and an outstanding offensive defenseman. I don’t think that’s good enough to win the Norris.
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The question I’m wondering is if he gets 75 or 80+ points this season and is 20 points clear of his nearest competitor, how can he be denied? If he puts up a season for the ages on offense from a defenseman there has to be merit to that.
by modsuperstar on Jan 12, 2012 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
I think he'll be denied because the expectation is that defensemen prevent goals, not score them
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Based on the performance to date, K65 shouldn't win. His defensive portfolio
doesn’t measure up, although it has improved hugely….very few giveaways in the last little while and the speed coming back to coverup mistakes, amazing. We see all these because we watch every game and analyze all, down to his mullet and where he he buys his clothes.
For the rest of the league, they see his points and his earlier, atrocious giveaways. If he continues at his current pace at both ends, maybe, just maybe. Karlsson is not your prototype d’man, 6’+, 225 lbs, physical, block shots, ugly, and can fight . It will take a while for people to change their measuring yardstick.
by whatsinaname on Jan 12, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
Nomination, but won't get it.
Part of it is reputation and then playing the “defensive” way. He won’t get it right now, but I would imagine he’ll win one or two in his career.
I don’t recall a truly offensive defensive winning – Lidstrom and Chara are balanced, and even Keith had more defensive upside compared to what Karlsson. Or am I forgetting someone? Wasn’t there a huge uproar when Green was nominated because his game wasn’t “complete” enough?
He deserves it, but he won’t get it. None of the perennial contenders have been especially great this season (e.i. Lidstrom, Weber, Chara) leaving the door open for others. Obviously his 37 blocks and 31 hits aren’t ground breaking, but he plays 27 minutes a night and leads defencemen in points. Girardi has a legit candidacy if he can score a few more points than in the first half. I’d say he needs at least 35 to get nominated.
Nope
My Norris was Shea Weber pre-concussion, and I guess I’d go with Chara right now.
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I think he is!
He should be considered the leading candidate IMO. Mike Green won the Norris, didn’t he? And he had the benefit of Ovechkin and Semin and Backstrom leading the way and covering his defensive lapses with goals. If +/- , hits are stats used to gauge quality then points should be as well and he is tops! How many point would Karlsson have on say, Boston? You could argue that Chara should have more points given the team he plays for. I think it is a general disrespect towards him and as someone else mentioned, “writers not actually watching him play and relying on far removed speculation”. We see him play night in and night out and see him playing against 1st lines all the time. He repeatedly looks to be beat only to take 2 or 3 strides and knock the player off the puck or flat out steal it away.
Hands down(so far) the winner in my books!!!
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Mike Green was nominated, but didn't win.
Nominated with Lidstrom and Chara in 08-09. Chara won that year. As Mark and I said, offensive defencemen don’t win because there’s an expectation that defencemen play defence first, no matter how good they are offensively.
I don't think there's any player that "is" the Norris right now
Several in the running – including Karlsson – but no clear cut leader.
I think Karlsson deserves to win it so far
But he won’t because of perceptions.
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
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Status quo...
Don’t upset the apple cart…or something to that effect.
As for this:
Zenon Konopka, Jesse Winchester: Both players are unrestricted free agents and could fetch a lower draft pick. They can easily be replaced by others in the organisation.
Obviously I disagree with the idea of being able to replace veteran leadership “easily” with minor league players.
Your comment about 'veteran leadership' has nothing to do with what Adnan wrote
Why don’t you ask him what it is he thinks can be replaced if Konopka or Winchester are traded instead of leaping to an inferral?
I should also say that, given their respective tenures with the organisation, Konopka and Winchester don’t exactly qualify as ‘veteran leaders’, either, although I grant that their presences in the locker room may well be welcome and stabilising.
I was the one in actual fact that was inferring that they were veteran leaders, inferring they are “easily replaced” lead me to my opinion and discourse, tenure with the present team is secondary to games played vs the majority of the experience i.e games played in the NHL, of the present lineup….
Even if we grant that Konopka and Winchester provide veteran leadership – which hardly makes them irreplaceable, as the examples of Kelly and Fisher last season demonstrate – it still doesn’t make sense that you didn’t ask Adnan for clarification first before inferring something from what he wrote that he did not actually refer to.
I'm coming around on Konopka
Fewer ill-timed fights and bad penalties these days, winning key draws, and pretty clearly a good presence in the locker room. And I think he’ll accept his role going forward if it means the press box or fewer minutes or whatever. Teams need those guys.
I’m not sure Jesse Winchester is a key cog in any way at this point. Could be wrong, but I feel there are a lot of other guys who can do the same thing as him on the ice. And I know nothing about him off the ice.
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 12, 2012 8:01 AM EST up reply actions
I think Konopka's a pretty good fit, too
I happen to like him. My beef was with gwplant’s illogical leap to inferring that Konopka and Winchester brought ‘veteran leadership’ when Adnan did not specify what it was about them he thought could be easily replaced.
I wouldn’t object to Murray signing Konopka to a short-term contract if he thought it would best serve the interests of the team, but I wouldn’t object if he traded Konopka, either. Everyone liked Chris Kelly and Mike Fisher, but we all eventually agreed that it was in the team’s best interests to trade them.
I think 4th liners in general are easily replaced.
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
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by Adnan on Jan 12, 2012 9:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am a simple man.
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
Twitter: @sens_adnan
Bryan Murray is looking for a forward
STOP THE PRESSES
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Well, that did recently bring us the Turricane.
by Pirateninjabot on Jan 11, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, I've got no problem with it if it helps the team long-term
But I’m just amused because I think Murray has said he’d like to add a top-six guy every single year he’s been GM.
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by Mark Parisi on Jan 11, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
He didn't talk about that often, though
He just went out and traded for them
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by Mark Parisi on Jan 11, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
He just should get a button on his lapel that says it
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 12, 2012 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
Or an eHarmony ad.
One GM, looking for Top Six Forward.
Must enjoy media scrutiny, Swedish meatballs and NTC.
Must share irrational hatred of Leafs and Sabres.
I suspect BM is looking for a very specific type of forward
what, I don’t know. He may even have a name or two in mind. Therefore, this will limit his choice. He may very well end up doing nothing because of that. This is not a case of “I must do a deal”, but " …only if I get my man at the price I have in mind to pay."
Bryan Murray's better calm down...
For the gods shake i’d love to be in front of Bryan Murray and slap him in the face right now.
When I first read this article I thought it was a joke.
A top six foward? Hello? Hello? HELLO???
remember matt cullen? A top six foward who cost us a draft pick for nothing and lead us to absolutly nowhere.
We are not contender this year and will not be unless we add Pavel Datsyuk to our team; you got the point.
so let’s just be patient, stick to our initial plan and watch where the team will lead us this year because at this point, we have nothing to loose (we already exceeded the number of wins any exepert would give us b4 the start of the season) but everything to win so let’s be patient and watch us dominate the nhl for the next couple years.
Btw...
When it’s comes to acquiering bigger names like Perry or Nash, my opinion don’t change by a inch.
There’s a reason why anaheim would accept by exemple (from a comment above): Zjad + stone + 1st round pick for Perry
Yes the guy is a heck of player but he is a heck of player for anaheim as well as he is for the sens. So why would they let a 80-90 points player go for prospects? because in today hockey, 1st round choice and top end prospects are invaluable.
What I mean is that BM has all the assets in his hands. We waited so long to get what we have now that there’s no reason for him to rush on the phone. He can just wait and if he don’t receive VERY interesting calls then too bad. At the last news, we were not the sellers and were still rebuilding
Nabokov
He doesn’t want to play for NYI anyway, and the Isles might take a group of lesser picks or a package with some 2nd line players – their high picks haven’t really turned the franchise around.
by StraightFromTHM on Jan 12, 2012 12:08 AM EST reply actions
Stone is gone.....
I don’t know who Murray has in mind when it comes to acquiring a top 6, but i’m pretty sure Murray will push Stone out the door first to get ‘his’ guy.
I actually really doubt this.
Murray’s made some stinkers in the past, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t think he’d give up his “diamond in the rough” pick unless the return was something REALLY special. The one thing Murray has going for him in terms of fan confidence is how good he is at drafting, and Stone can be the centrepiece of that argument.
by spez_dispenser on Jan 12, 2012 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
how can he even consider...
what would be wonderful to see, is trading away for more draft picks. NOW, that would take "wheelin’ and dealin’ " to a whole ’ nother level. as much as I like gonchar, right now, I think he would fetch a decent return on picks or an up coming fa. and younger too. get him while he’s high in price. right?
by spezzasbrother on Jan 12, 2012 4:23 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Shut up
Confidentially to BM. Talk all you want with other GMs. But shut up to the media and stop trying to be a hero.
We’re doing fine. You promised us a forward and you delivered. It’s just too early to tell which one of the ones we have will be that guy long term.
I don't see any harm in him talking about it. He may or may not pull the trigger.
Thing is;
1) We do not know what’s going to happen because there can be a thousand plus scenarios
2) We start speculating on worst case scenarios, trading prospects for 35+ with huge, long contracts
And 1 + 2 = hysteria.
by whatsinaname on Jan 12, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Stop confessing your love in public. My kids read this
by whatsinaname on Jan 12, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Tell them to post more
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by Mark Parisi on Jan 12, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Well Said!
No harm in saying that he’s looking for a forward. All 30 teams are looking for a forward, even the Bruins!
by I Still Miss Hossa!!! on Jan 12, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Let's Make a Deal Anaheim Style
Check this interesting post out:
http://www.anaheimcalling.com/2012/1/9/2693419/shocked-by-the-alleged-trade-value-of-our-core-players
My thoughts..
I personally would prefer if BM rolled with things as they are, but I also wouldn’t mind a trade/acquisition similar to the Turris one. If he can get someone who is young, but can have an impact now and in the future I am okay with that. And that’s it. I don’t want him bringing in older guys, rentals, bad contracts, etc.
The team and organization needs to stick to the rebuild to achieve longterm success. I was going to use “stick to the plan” but plans are always tweaked. I don’t want Murray sticking with status quo if he gets an opportunity to grab a young but good player that him and MacLean see as a piece on the team.
I am giving BM my trust here. I feel confident that he will only bring in youth to the team and I don’t think he will trade away the major cogs of the team. I think that if the team makes a strong case for being in the playoffs then he genuinely wants to give Alfie the opportunity to win the cup with this team. I don’t fault him for it. I think Alfie deserves this more than anything. I just want Murray to stay smart about it and not get overexcited and make a rash decision.
by Los Blancos Chicca on Jan 12, 2012 9:26 AM EST reply actions
You are a very trusting person Rana.
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
Twitter: @sens_adnan
I am... but why start stressing over a few words?
Yes past experiences haven’t been perfect, but ever since the rebuild has started it’s been good!
by Los Blancos Chicca on Jan 12, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Agree with you.
past trades were based on past situations and those trades did not pan out at all. Very few did on other teams as well. Feb trades work only if you win the cup and wining the cup is a team effort. You trade differently in a rebuild scenario.
by whatsinaname on Jan 12, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
I CAN’T STRESS MY HAIR IS ALREADY RECEDING A LOT!
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
Twitter: @sens_adnan
Wolski may play....
SunGarrioch Bruce Garrioch
Wojtek Wolski may play for the Rangers. He may be forced to answer for his hit on Alfredsson. #Sens
For all those who don’t like the eye for an eye game, you might find yourself frustrated with the potential actions of one of either 28, 25 or 39 tonight…but it is what it is and you take out the captain with a cheap shot there will be repercussions.
Please No!
The Rangers are too good, we should concentrate on just trying to beat the best team in the league right now.
by I Still Miss Hossa!!! on Jan 12, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
100% guarantee if Wolski does play there will be retribution….if not perception is “go ahead anytime you want and simply elbow our captain in the head at your leisure”
Retribution
I agree something like that shouldn’t slide, however, Wolski won’t wanna fight, and any retribution will likely cause a penalty against our 24th ranked penalty kill. Is it worth it?
If the retribution is a nice open ice hit by Neil, then I’m all for it. Just no penalty please!!
by I Still Miss Hossa!!! on Jan 12, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He is going to have to be accountable for his actions….penalty or no penalty, the optics alone justify it.
Justified?
So if we go after him, get a penalty, they score and it ends up being the game winner, that was worth it?
by I Still Miss Hossa!!! on Jan 12, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Same here
Ufnfortunately in this league, you can get away with cheapshots and not have to answer. Sucks when you’re on the receiving end. However, winning a hockey game is more important than retribution in my opinion.
by I Still Miss Hossa!!! on Jan 12, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I am not surprised by these responses however big picture is he HAS to be accountable for his actions, and not just him but the rest of the league, odds are against any actions having a direct result on the game however not having one of your best players in the lineup may have been disastrous to the entire season, thus making any future actions by other players such as demonstrated by this player have to be dealt with ASAP, in other words tonight if he is in the lineup.
How has that helped?
We’ve seen plenty of examples of cheap shots “avenged”, and yet the shots keep coming. Look at Brad Marchand. He gets 5 games. And yet, he’s innocent, he did nothing wrong and he’s not going to change the way he plays. Matt Cooke, is still playing, Marc Savard won’t play ever again. Plenty more examples that I can’t really think of right now.
Point is, retribution won’t stop cheapshots against other players. Fact is, NHL players don’t respect each other, and playing on the edge is “part of the game”. When they go over the edge, injuries happen and yet, you’ll hear statements like " I was just playing my game". If you want cheapshots to stop, the hockey culture has to change.
Retribution will maybe make us feel better, but probably won’t accomplish much else
by I Still Miss Hossa!!! on Jan 12, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Marchand nothing wrong?? i c…well that is just wrong. Cooke was suspended…bottom line if the league would have handled it like they should have things would be slightly different…now it is being left up to the players to make this individual accountable for his actions. It is what it is and a statement to him and others.
Sorry
I wasn’t trying to say he did nothing wrong, I think that was a major cheap shot, but if you listen to his interview, he says he was defending himself. His coach and GM agree with that statement.
by I Still Miss Hossa!!! on Jan 12, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Defending himself against Sami Salo?? ha, an individual earlier in the shift that he had come in contact with, that is naive and of course the coach and GM are going to back their player…as far as I am concerned a low bridge to that degree is about the dirtiest thing you can do to a guy, considering Salo was bracing to a shoulder to shoulder hit and he low balls him last minute?? Sorry but that is awful….
And you're right
The league has failed time and again to curb these kinds of things. They punish intent instead of the action itself. That’s why Wolski and Lucic (hit on Miller) and many more get fines instead of a statement suspension.
by I Still Miss Hossa!!! on Jan 12, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
It hasn't helped
It won’t help. It will continue to hurt the teams and players that go for retribution more than the teams/players that “deserve” it.
Not sure I want to sink to the level of Brian Burke
lamenting the days of enforcers like Orr……dying dinosaurs.
by whatsinaname on Jan 12, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
But they were directed at opposite sides in the discussion.
1 – (-1) = 2 ?
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
Twitter: @sens_adnan
Are we trying to quantify and formulate opinion?
by whatsinaname on Jan 12, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Opinion is easily quantified
The closer an opinion is to my thoughts, the more valid it is. The more it deviates from what I think, it becomes crazy talk.
I believe the growth in crazy talk is exponential in difference from my opinion.
Look it up, that’s a fact.
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
Twitter: @sens_adnan
Or, alternatively, “we would like to win this competitive hockey match, so we’re not going to do things that would endanger that and harm our position in the standings, including taking penalties out of a desire for vengeance.”
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 12, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, this
We need the two points more than we need Alfie’s honor avenged. I support both if possible, but the points matter more—Alfie’s healthy and playing.
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by Mark Parisi on Jan 12, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
To be honest this has nothing to do with “avenging honor” but everything to do with accountability and retribution for actions by a player who didn’t think there was going to be consequences…well there is and will be and will send a message to any further rats who want to take cheap shots and possibly remove offensive forces from the lineup.
39 won't play tonight according to practise lines
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
Twitter: @sens_adnan
I say we send 5 after him.
Who would see that one coming?
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 12, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Karlsson will take care of him.
You mess with Alfie, YOU GET SPECIAL K!!
by Pmoron on Jan 12, 2012 12:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Isn't Special K another name for rohypnol?
I think Karlsson is more of a Forget-Me-Now kinda guy.
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 12, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
I would send Michalek to mumble some incomprenhensible threats
to wolski. But really, the threat alone will suffice. Wolski will be looking over his shoulders whenever 25 or 28 is on the ice, second guessing himself all night.
by whatsinaname on Jan 12, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Anything we do to Wolski will be called.
So don’t do it. Finish your checks, be smart, but DO NOT INSTIGATE. The refs will call it right away.
Unless Neil can do what he did to Heatley this year
Clean and awesome. I did enjoy that.
by RogerTheShrubber on Jan 12, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
I'll only be frustrated with their actions if they're stupid
Taking a penalty to “send a message”, going to the box without bringing Wolski with you, or going after someone who didn’t hit Alfie are not acceptable in my book, because they hurt the team’s chances of winning.
If Konopka or Neil want to cave Wolski’s face in and then sit in the box for five minutes, I have no problem with that. If they pick up an instigator for doing so, it’s not worth it. They can’t help the team if they’re not on the ice.
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by Mark Parisi on Jan 12, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
It's possible, but considering the minutes those guys play, I'd be willing to live with it
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by Mark Parisi on Jan 12, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Wolski won't fight
He just won’t. So that’s a guaranteed penalty
by I Still Miss Hossa!!! on Jan 12, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
He may not even play
So it’s a pretty pointless conversation anyway. If all we do is finish our checks on him, I can live with that.
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by Mark Parisi on Jan 12, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
It is not about Wolski fighting…it is about the actions and the results…these sort of actions don’t go without punishment and the league took a pass so now it will be left to the players…it is what it is, agree with it or not but it is all about the optics and the perception that it gives off. If Wolski didn’t think there would be repercussions for his actions then he is just naive and he has played in the NHL and major junior long enough to know that he will get his, if not tonight at some point. And defending himself?? That is just utterly laughable….
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