Silver Nuggets: Senators end pre-season with win; Final cuts tomorrow
by Adnan on Sep 30, 2011 1:00 PM EDT
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The Ottawa Senators finish their pre-season schedule with a 2-1 win. Though they were thoroughly outplayed through the first two periods, Craig Anderson kept it a one-goal game. Then in the third, goals by Daniel Alfredsson and David Rundblad lifted the Senators to a victory. Had a Mika Zibanejad goal not been disallowed, it could have been a Swedish hat trick in the third. With the win, the Senators hold the sixth seed and are four points clear for the final pre-season playoff spot!
Here are today's links:
Last game
- Stats from last night via NHL.com (Box score, Play by play, Game summary, Face-offs, Shift report)
- Recap of the game. (Silver Seven Sens, Ottawa Sun, Ottawa Citizen)
- Video reaction after last night's game. MacLean named Jared Cowen, Colin Greening and Mika Zibanejad as his best skaters. He also felt that the second and third period from David Rundblad was the best he's seen from him. One thing I want to say about Rundblad is, the guy has a really, really heavy shot. It's incredible. (Paul MacLean, Sergei Gonchar, Craig Anderson, David Rundblad)
General Sens News
- UPDATE: Kaspars Daugavins has been placed on waivers, likely in anticipation of an AHL assignment. (Renaud Lavoie)
- If David Rundblad is cut tomorrow, he will have to decide between the AHL and the Elitserien. Ottawa's best defenceman, Erik Karlsson, feels Rundblad should stick around in North America, as that's the only way he can play in the NHL this year. As an side, Chris Neil doesn't understand the calls for him to be suspended over his hit on Mikhail Grabovski. (Ottawa Sun)
- Paul MacLean says that not much should be read into lines used in pre-season, as he was experimenting as often as period to period. Colin Greening sees his role as creating space for his more skilled linemates in Jason Spezza and Nikita Filatov. With both Spezza and Filatov preferring to pass, Spezza thinks he might have to start shooting more but still continue his passing game, calling it his 'bread and butter'. Also, Peter Regin is understandably relieved his injury isn't serious. (Ottawa Citizen)
- Mika Zibanejad's play might have earned him the second line centre spot, but should the Senators consider using up a year on his entry level contract? If they chose to do so, Zibanejad and Cowen will both finish their entry level deals in the same season. (Pro Hockey Talk)
- So, Craig Anderson is 20-10-2 when facing 40 or more shots. He is only 78-96-2 when he doesn't. (The 6th Sens)
- The Senators will unveil their new jersey tomorrow morning, at 'Puck Drop' starting at 9 a.m. Hmm, 9 a.m. on a Saturday...in Kanata? It will start with a used equipment sale, followed by the jersey unveiling and then an open practice at 10:30. (Ottawa Senators)
- There will be a stream on the Senators website for the jersey unveiling and open practice, starting at 10:20 a.m. (Ottawa Senators)
- A couple of Senators show up in this fantasy hockey article, which mentions that drafters should rank Nikita Filatov and David Rundblad a bit lower. (Yahoo!)
General Hockey News
- Alexander Radulov ripped his coach to Evgeni Malkin...in public, on twitter. Ha! I assume it was probably meant to be a private message to Malkin, but that was great. (Yahoo!)
- Brendan Shanahan told Peter Mansbridge that the NHL will look into the role of fighting in hockey. While I find fighting of any sort in hockey to be disgusting, at the very least I think you have to get rid of the fights that happen for the following two reasons. 1) Guy plays three minutes a night and needs to justify being there, I label this the Colton Orr fights. 2) Guy tries to "get his team going" and starts a fight without having any real reason to be upset at his opponent. These are the Chris Neil kind of fights. (CBC)
- When Daniel Alfredsson returns to his home town of Gothenburg, he got a five minute standing ovation. Henrik Lundqvist will likely get a similar welcome today when he plays against Frolunda. The captain of Frolunda? His twin brother Joel Lundqvist. (NHL.com)
- The Kings finally resigned Drew Doughty, extending him for 8 years worth a total of $56 million. At an average of $7 million per season, this is above Anze Kopitar's $6.8 million that Dean Lombardi did not want to go above. After holding out for most of training camp, will this impact Doughty's season? (Yahoo!)
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Interesting....
“So, Craig Anderson is 20-10-2 when facing 40 or more shots. He is only 78-96-2 when he doesn’t.”
I say that we play Gonchar-Karlsson, Kuba-Runblad as the top 4 D-men in that case! Allow 40+ shots every game… If Anderson keeps it up, we’re going to the playoffs!!!
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
As for burning a year of the ELC
I believe that if a player is ready for the NHL, there is no point in sending him to the AHL just to save a year on the ELC. IF he is ready, IF his development will be achieved quicker by playing in the NHL, then the team is better off a year sooner. Perhaps you even gain a year of a player in his prime by having him play sooner.
Now, if a players game will be better developed with time spent in the AHL, and his development either equal or be hampered by playing in the NHL, the player needs to be sent to the minors.
The ELC shouldn’t come into the decision. It should be based on what is best for the players development.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
Absolutely.
But you gotta be a little concerned about what this Doughty signing means. Will Karlsson/Rundblad/Cowen be expecting that kind of money in a few years? Or will Alfie’s hometown discount and team first attitude rub off on them?
It's a great problem to have
because that means they are doing very well as players. There are several big contracts expiring, Kuba after this season, and Alfie and Gonchar’s after 2012-2013, not to mention Neil’s $2 mil. $2.4 mil in buyouts will be available after this season as well. I think Murray has been planning for these contracts.
by whatsinaname on Sep 30, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget about the roll-back next year due to the new CBA
The whole structure is going to be different and work out better in the beginning for the teams.
No front loads. AAV for cap hit is the same as paid salary. No signing bonuses. There will be a new cap ceiling vs cap floor. There will be a max value contract as a % of the cap, and the max cap will be no more than 50% of league revenues instead of the 57%? i think it is now.
I don’t think that Karlsson will be worth what Doughty is either, unless he picks up his physical/defensive game. Runblad may be. Cowen isn’t going to get paid like an offensive dynamo.
Will there be a cap crunch at some point? Yes, but then you trade that player for picks and prospects (ala Philedelphia w/ Carter & Richards) & restock for another 5 years.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
Ummm... none of that is for sure
I’d be surprised if the players agreed to another massive salary rollback, and if they did, I think it wouldn’t be until at least some of the season had been missed.
I don’t want the season to be missed!
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by Peter Raaymakers on Sep 30, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I know it isn't for sure...
But it would not suprise me in the least to see it all happen.
You’re right, it would likely mean part of the season will be missed, if not all of it. I don’t want that either, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it happend. Wouldn’t surprise me at all.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
I'm pretty sure you burn a year of the ELC either way.
If Zibanejad and Rundblad go back to Sweden, this year doesn’t come off their contracts. If Rundblad plays in the AHL, it does. I’d prefer them both to stay, but if in the first nine games of the season Zib looks completely overwhelmed, there is no reason to keep him over here when he could tear it up in the Elitserien.
Space for rent.
by awr.campbell on Sep 30, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
If Zibanejad goes back to Sweden, we don’t use up a year of his entry level deal or UFA status.
For Rundblad it is different because of his age. He has 2 years left on his deal, whether he plays in the NHL, SEL or AHL. He is going to be an RFA at the end of 2012-2013. What will change is that if Rundblad doesn’t play in the NHL, then this one season doesn’t count towards the numbers of years he needs to become a UFA (7 seasons). Though I think once you are 27, you are an UFA no matter how many seasons you have…so even that won’t matter.
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Also depends on if the contract was signed on a Wednesday.
And what the weather was like.
Space for rent.
by awr.campbell on Sep 30, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, just poking fun at how convoluted NHL contracts can be.
Space for rent.
by awr.campbell on Sep 30, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Tyler Myers resents that last one.
Or represents. He doesn’t know.
Space for rent.
by awr.campbell on Sep 30, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd for truth
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by Mark Parisi on Sep 30, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I should clarify
You use up a year of an ELC whether the player is in the AHL or NHL.
Space for rent.
by awr.campbell on Sep 30, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Is the "puck drop" open to the general public?
It just so happens that I’m heading to Ottawa tonight…
To become old and wise, you must first be young and stupid. - old army proverb
The practice and used equipment sale is open to the public
The jersey unveiling I would guess is for media.
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Not sure
But the jerseys also go on sale tomorrow and are only available in the Ottawa market for the next 5 days.
Oh Captain, my Captain!
Didn't they pull them from the shelves after the leak?
There’s something somewhere that guarantees Ottawa exclusive sales for the first 5 days.
Oh Captain, my Captain!
woah woah woah! used equipment sale?!?
clarify! there’s no details about this used equipment sale..
(and to clarify i see the date and time in the article on the sens website)
i’m just wondering if anyone knows more about this?? whose equipment? how good of a sale?
No idea sorry
There was one at the start of camp, for season ticket holders too.
I have no idea what was there though.
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It's a good sale
Pretty good quality stuff, mostly lightly used. Players don’t really wear their equipment for many games, so the team always has lots to get rid of. Also, sometimes players try out new equipment for maybe one practice and don’t like it.
So it’s definitely worthwhile. I might check it out for some giant-sized shin pads.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Sep 30, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha!
I went in solely for giant sized shin pads as well, and that was the one section that was completely lacking.
Well than I’m not all that disappointed that I missed out!
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 2, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Home opener still not sold out
I just tried buying the cheapest coca cola zone seats, $15 and as many as 8 of them together are available. Also tried buying as many as 8 of them else where in the 300 level where drinking is allowed, also there.
The 100s seems to be sold out though.
Does anyone think we might not sell out home opener, as there are only 11 days to go?
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Well it can be an official sellout with tickets still available
But we didn’t sell out the home opener last year. It was sad.
Oh Captain, my Captain!
You only need to fill 90% capacity for a sellout I think?
That’s why we can be at 110% capacity for playoff games and rivalry games.
I thought the 110% was because of standing room
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How can it be a sellout with tickets available?
I thought an official sell out was when they sell/give away the seats (whether people show up or not). I guess they might give away a ton.
A pity though, lot to get excited for even if the team struggles, and Heatley is there too.
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As we saw on the comments here back when the idea of a group outing came up
Some people think it’s time to give up on the Heatley grudge.
AND THEY’RE WRONG.
Oh Captain, my Captain!
I just said we should focus on cheering more
I’ll likely boo him whenever he touches the puck (if I remember). Though last time I did that for Kessel and he kept scoring.
Anyway my point was to not constantly buy for his entire 40 seconds shift like last time.
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No I mean that there were people who didn't really care
And didn’t see Heatley as a good enough reason to have a group outing. I wasn’t referring to you obviously since it was your idea.
Oh Captain, my Captain!
Let's do another! December 10 against Vancouver!
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Blah
Also that one will probably be closer to a sellout. And it’s way more expensive. And after this time, you guys can organize the outings again or I’m going to be a lot bitchier about deadlines and as a result our group will be smaller…
Oh Captain, my Captain!
But we can only buy 8 tickets without you.
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I'll still hook you up with my guy
But the organizing was not the least stressful thing ever in my life.
Oh Captain, my Captain!
But the masses prefer your organising! The numbers prove it!
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That's not true
I’ve got contacts with a few ticket reps. Erin’s just so awesome at organizing these things…
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by Peter Raaymakers on Sep 30, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Well if nothing else, you've also got my guy's email by now!
But seriously I make no promises until after the home opener.
Oh Captain, my Captain!
Don’t worry Erin, you won’t hate us! We’re nice!
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I suppose I shouldn't complain
I did get a free Alfie souvenir hockey stick out of everything.
Oh Captain, my Captain!
Can I cut in?
I’m gunna cut you so bad, you no wish I cut you so bad!
by Pmoron on Sep 30, 2011 7:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I've argued that sellouts that aren't sellouts are dumb on Silver Seven before.
But I got shot down.
You can have a sellout that’s not really a sellout due to standing room, wheelchair and luxury box tickets – they only sort of count those in the attendance.
You can see it if you look at any NHL attendance chart: last year, Chicago averaged over 108% capacity, just to pick one example.
In Montreal, Calgary, St. Louis and some other cities, 100% attendance means there are no more tickets left to buy. In a bunch of other cities, they see it differently.
I think that is different
I don’t think standing room should be required for selling out. But right now, I see hoards of tickets in the general 300 level.
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11th overall in raw attendance
According to that link. Not bad for what has to be a bottom-five market in terms of size. I always suspected the Sens made a big mistake in increasing the capacity of the rink past 18,500. As a result the games never sell out and there is a perception of weak fan interest. Scarcity breeds demand.
The last Heatley game didn't sell out either
I was there. It was one of the better crowds I’ve seen at SBP, loud, vocal, very into the game — but I was stunned when they announce the attendance. It was under 19k. For what seemed to be the most anticipated game of the year, that’s just pathetic. (Of course the team’s performance didn’t help either — they lost 4-0 in embarrassing fashion)
Wouldn't be the first time
Bought tickets to the home opener against Detroit 3 years ago (yes – the year after the cup run) the day before the game.
Better than the not sellout we had for the opener last year
I forget the attendance but it was waaaaaaaaay below a sellout. And against the Sabres so it’s not like there was an excuse because no one cares about the other team.
Oh Captain, my Captain!
Just over 6 more hours
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by Adnan on Sep 30, 2011 5:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
October means thesis and essays for me
not cool!
I got a signed Chris Phillips jersey! (Also signed by Nick Foligno)
...Oh, wait.
Soon enough young lady, soon enough
I got a signed Chris Phillips jersey! (Also signed by Nick Foligno)
...Oh, wait.
Opener
It is pathetic that there are still tickets left for these games. Right now I have a group of around 90 going for opener. I had 100 for last years Heatley return!
Usually we get the cheapest tickets but this year we are in the lower 300 level. We were told it would be easier to add more tickets to our group but I can’t get another pair in the lower 300’s for the opener even though there are cheaper tickets available up top. The problem is friends or colleagues want to sit with us so they would rather not go if they are not in our group.
BTW we are in section 318 and should be pretty raucous like usual. If anybody is interested in joining for another group later in the season you can stay tuned as we mention it in our write-ups on our site. (htbhl.com) – BTW we are Ottawa’s newest ball hockey league!
Pathetic? Really?
I see nothing wrong with not selling out a game. I’m pretty sure it will sell out, anyway (Ottawa has always been a walk-up crowd), but even if it doesn’t, it’ll be pretty full.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 1, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I agree that pathetic is a bit much
Although I also agree with the sentiment that more people should care about this game.
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