Silver Nuggets: Senators play Jets in Newfoundland; Lehner reluctantly accepts AHL role
by Adnan on Sep 26, 2011 10:00 AM EDT
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PrintA little bit of an earlier version of the nuggets today as the Senators are set to play the Winnipeg Jets (woo! welcome back!) at 4:00 p.m. today in St. John's, Newfoundland for the 2011 Kraft Hockeyville game. The game was originally supposed to be played in Conception Bay South (close to St. John's) between Atlanta and Ottawa. However, after the club was moved to Winnipeg, and Winnipeg's AHL affiliate moved to St. John's, it made sense to move the game to the AHL arena.
Here are today's links:
General Sens News
- Robin Lehner is choosing his words a little bit more carefully as he accepts that he will likely spend most of the season in the AHL. While he maintains that being in NHL practices helped him more last year than playing in the AHL, he allows for the fact that maybe the club knows more than him. He still hopes to at least get a few games in the NHL, saying that he will be happy if he can get 60 games in the AHL and a few in the NHL. (Ottawa Citizen, Ottawa Sun)
- The Senators roster for today's game includes Erik Karlsson, David Rundblad, Jared Cowen, Daniel Alfredsson and Mika Zibanejad. (Ottawa Citizen)
- St. John's native, Colin Greening, is looking forward to playing in his home town. Can we forgive him for being a huge Doug Gilmour fan growing up and following the Leafs? To be fair, I guess a lot of our players must have been. (Ottawa Senators)
- Statistically speaking one of the greatest goaltenders in the post-expansion NHL playoff history (1st in goals against average, 3rd in save percentage), Patrick Lalime will be part of the Senators alumni at Kraft Hockeyville. (NHL.com)
- The first captain of the Ottawa Senators, Laurie Boschman will also be in Newfoundland for the weekend and Boschman, who spent seven seasons with the Winnipeg Jets, is very happy to see them back in the NHL. (Ottawa Senators)
- A look at Kaspars Daugavins, who was convinced to stay in North America for one more year. You would have to think he is starting the season in the AHL, but he would be one of the first call-ups. This is likely his last year in North America if he can't crack the Ottawa roster. (Kaspars Daugavins)
- Don Brennan likes the look of a Chris Phillips and Brian Lee pairing. I would have to say I agree, Brian Lee seems to have found a way to make it work with Chris Phillips and vice versa. This is definitely one pairing I would keep together at least to start. Sadly though, the Ottawa Senators don't let me make decisions for them, something I can't quite figure out. (Ottawa Sun)
- Senators prospect Shane Prince will be out of action for 2-4 weeks after injuring his shoulder in a game for the Ottawa 67s. (Ottawa Citizen)
- Do Sergei Gonchar and Chris Phillips deserve less time? According to this analysis they do. Although, it also suggests Alex Ovechkin and Sidney Crosby should get less power play time. Still, worth reading I think. (Hockey Prospectus)
- With Mika Zibanejad launching his new website, James Gordon looks at the growing number of hockey players building their brand (Jonathan Toews Enterprises? Ha!). It has helped Paul Bissonnette, with only 104 career games and 4 career goals on what Gordon calls an irrelevant hockey team, get over 136,000 twitter followers. He has even been invited to TSN's hockey panel. One of the things that Gordon found on Zibanejad's website was: Mika was drafted by KHL club Lokomotiv Yaroslavl. He of course decided to stay in the Swedish league. (Senators Extra)
General Hockey News
- Here is a really strange article by Ryan Lambert at Puck Daddy. Apparently Winnipeg is pretending that Atlanta didn't use to have a hockey team because they fired the Atlanta staff? Also, as for the media seeming too happy about the Jets return? Well, with the euphoria in the city, isn't it hard to report the hockey news in the city, or even the country, without mentioning the general happiness? All in all, for whatever reason, he seems a tad bitter about Winnipeg having a team again. (Yahoo!)
- Jimmy Howard's new mask will feature a tribute to Brad McCrimmon, Ruslan Salei and Stefan Liv, all three of whom died in the plane crash that killed the entire Lokomotiv club. (Yahoo!)
- For all of you missing Sidney Crosby, he is now participating in scrimmage and thus one step closer to a return. (NHL)
- A list of the top 30 prospects for the 2012 NHL Draft, considering various early lists. Russian forward Nail Yakupov is the clear #1, while the Sens are slated to pick Stefan Matteau at #30 after Daniel Alfredsson lifts the Stanley Cup in Ottawa this summer. (Copper and Blue)
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Lines and pairings for today
Greening – Zibanejad – Alfredsson
Hoffman-Locke-Butler
Dziurzynski-Smith-Neil
Parrish-Grant-Cowick
Cowen-Karlsson
Phillips-Rundblad
Gryba-Carkner
Alex Auld starts
An Ottawa Senators supporter in Toronto, Ontario. I am cool like that.
who is this Dziurzynski guy?
i’m sure he’s been mentioned/discussed but any recollection on what this guy is about is escaping me…
Also, like that for the hometown guy, they’ve put him on the top line. Maybe was an obvious move with the rotaion of guys and depth chart, yada, yada… but it’s still a cool move.
Dziuzynski was a guy that the Senators signed as a free agent after his junior career a couple years ago. He’s a big body player who had a decent season last year in his first pro season with the B-Sens.
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Anyone else feel like they're testing out the kids with this lineup?
Alfie, Neil, Karlsson, Phillips, Carkner & Auld are the only guys to have played more than 71 NHL games in the last 3 years.
Well they've said that a lot of guys will be back to the AHL tomorrow
I don’t think they’re testing them so much as giving them one last game. But I imagine that quite a few (Dziruzynski, Hoffman, Gryba) are AHL-bound.
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Greening
I’ll readily admit I used to be a Leaf fan and a fan of Doug Gilmore. As Leaf and Hab fans love to remind you that if you’re older than 25 odds are if you lived in the Ottawa area you were a fan of one of those 2 teams. I know growing up and playing road hockey I worked on my wrist shot constantly to emulate Wendel Clark.
And really there was no conflict between the Leafs and Sens until the Leafs were moved to the same division in 1998. You could kinda be a fan of both as they really didn’t play each other often at all and were in entirely different conferences. After that was when you were forced to pick a side really.
Gilmour...
I’ve been a fan of Ottawa for all 20 seasons of their existence. I can remember not really being a fan of the Leafs, but not hating them either. Afterall, the Leafs are ’Canada’s team’ and they were the only team on TV.
I remember Andreychuk, Glimour & Borchevsky, Clark, Muller, Gill, Ellett, Fuhr, Potvin. I especially remember rooting for the leafs while watching the ’93 series vs LA.
However, I can also vividly remember being Alexandre Daigle, Radek Bonk, Chris Phillips, Daniel Alfredsson and yes, Alexei Yashin while playing road hockey, game 7, scoring the winning goal.
It was that 1998 season, when Toronto came to the East that the animosity towards the leafs developed. But it wasn’t until 2000, in that 1st round loss to Toronto that the hate truly began.
I found in those early years I was only a partial fan. I was rooting for the team, but will readily admit that it’s tough to get behind a team that was losing as the clip the Sens were in the first few years.
by modsuperstar on Sep 26, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I grew up mostly as an anti-Leafs fan
My brother would attribute this to me being contrarian. If I had to cheer for a team, I used to really like the Dallas Stars, especially Mike Modano.
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by Adnan on Sep 26, 2011 1:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was a Stars fan too. Kinda took to liking them after their Cinderella cup run in 91. I would say they were my primary team, with the Leafs secondary back in the early 90s.
by modsuperstar on Sep 26, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It's True
In my 50s, you had to cheer for someone. And it was easy having two teams in the Sens’ early years. Loved Gilmour and the Toronto teams he led. But with his departure and the sharp turn towards belligerent nastiness, and Ottawa’s timely improvement, it was easy to be cheering for the Sens rather than the Leafs when they started to meet in the playoffs.
Me too
Gilmour was one of my absolute favourite players when I was growing up. And, as many people in Ottawa who were hockey fans before the return of the Sens, I was also a Leafs fan (the rest being Habs fans, as you mentioned). Strangely enough, my like of the Leafs really started to decline after the Gilmour/Clark era ended.
Daugavins
I have heard nothing about him this fall. I see his name on game-day lineups, but never hear anything more.
Is he getting any ice time? Is he invisible?
With the number of guys ahead of him on the depth chart, I doubt he'd get a shot.
We’ve got a glut of 2nd/3rd/4th line guys. Unless he can prove he’s an elite winter, and unless someone goes down with an injury, he’ll be walking at the end of the season. I’m not sure why we haven’t traded him.
I think he'll get 4-5 games as injury call-up
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He played on Saturday
And I did not notice him once. But he was decent last season so I’m cool with him getting called up.
Oh Captain, my Captain!
I actually thought he only played 1 game, but apparently he's played 2
I don’t recall him doing anything at all.
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He hasn't been invisible
But he hasn’t really been noticeable either. Sometimes wins a puck battle, sometimes loses one. Doesn’t really create anything by himself.
Silver Seven - The Daniel Alfredsson of Ottawa Senators Blogs
Russian forward Nail Yakupov is the clear #1, while the Sens are slated to pick Stefan Matteau at #30 after Daniel Alfredsson lifts the Stanley Cup in Ottawa this summer.
I like this scenario.
Guarantee Sens get 1st overall pick
Phillips/Kuba traded for Gunnarson/1st rnd pick.
Sens pick Matteau and Yakupov. Bruins nod approvingly.
by BD Rebuilders on Sep 26, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL you're funny
Phillips/Kuba for Gunnarson/1st rounder? Ha! Don’t get me wrong, I love Philly… But Ha!
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Dion Phaneuf
Toronto thinks 1st rounders are a pyramid scheme. And Gunnarson isn’t Dion Phaneuf, neither is Phillips, therefore, equal.
by BD Rebuilders on Sep 26, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Value of the first rounder aside,
Phillips playing for Toronto? Lol. Also Toronto and Ottawa trading at all? Ha!
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Maybe not the first time, but I can't think of one off the top of my head (at least not from this franchise)
And certainly not a trade that involved someone as high profile and with such long tenure as Philly.
Oh Captain, my Captain!
Certainly not much recently, and not often.
There have been 3 direct trades and a 3 way trade.
First one that comes to mind is that 3 way trade that brought in Redden and Rhodes.
There was a no-name trade in 1998.
In 1993, Ottawa traded Brad Miller for the 9th round (!) pick used on Pavol Demitra.
Brad Marsh came from the Leafs during the summer of 1992 for “future considerations”.
More recently, while not quite a trade, the arrangement that saw the Leafs pick up Gerber off waivers in 2009.
I wouldn't exactly call it an arrangement that Gerber was picked up off of waivers
But fair enough. All that was coming to mind were original franchise trades, which were obviously much more common back when there were way fewer teams.
Although I stand by my point that there’s no way an alternate captain who’s played all 13 of his NHL seasons in Ottawa and has a no movement clause is getting traded to Toronto. It’s even less likely than Alfie hoisting Stanley in a Senators jersey this spring.
Oh Captain, my Captain!
That's already happening
Read above.
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Oh, it was definitely an arrangement
There was no way they were calling Gerber back up without knowing someone was picking him up.
I do agree about this suggested trade, though I don’t think it was intended to be a serious suggestion (or even remotely close to one).
You are correct sir
I was seeing too much Leafs love, threw in a jab about 1st rounders. Did not mean it as a real suggestion.
That being said, if for some unfathomable reason this offer becomes an option for the Sens, and they pass because they don’t want to turn Phillips over to the Leafs, I would never watch hockey again in my life. I would also actively make it my life’s work to punch Murray and Melnyk in the face.
by BD Rebuilders on Sep 26, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't worry so much that the Sens would pass on the deal
A bigger issue would be Philly’s NMC. Why would he ever consider waiving it to go to Toronto?
And leaving aside whether that’s a good deal (after all, it clears Kuba from the roster) I think you have to consider the fan rioting in the equation. The fanbase wouldn’t take kindly to trading a 15-year veteran to our long-standing rival no matter what the return is.
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I think they'd be okay with Phillips.
Not Alfie though. Although I doubt Toronto fans would go for that either.
Frankly, I just can’t imagine either Burke or Murray trading with each other directly. You don’t want to bolster teams in your own division, unless you’re trying to get picks (i.e. Kelly to Boston)
The thing with Twitter and Biz Nasty....
It’s a celebration of the mundane and the inane. That panel spot by Bissonnette on TSN was one of the most painful sports media moments I’ve seen since the Gadiator intro in the playoffs years ago. I would much, MUCH rather read a blog like this one, or even a newspaper article that read…one sentence. I get Twitter’s use for quick pdates, but to “follow” anyone on it? Are our lives so micro-managed and our attention spans so short we can’t stop to read?
Don’t mind me, let me get the onion back on my belt and go in and out the front door…
by Quizzical Quorum on Sep 26, 2011 10:46 AM EDT reply actions
i think it starts to distort a person's sense of their own importance
Like Bob McKenzie, for example – awesome to follow around draft and trade-deadline times but otherwise, i’m really not that interested in what concert he’s at with his kid at that point in time.
Unless you use Twitter, and use it to follow a volume amount of people, then you won’t understand. I found it took me a long time to figure out, but when you follow lots of people then it doesn’t matter what any one person tweets at any given time. Bob tweeting about concerts becomes irrelevant when you follow lots of interesting people. At that point you don’t need Bob to make every tweet gold as there are plenty of others offering interesting dialog and content.
by modsuperstar on Sep 26, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Tweetdeck
If you use a sorter, like Tweetdeck, you can tailor your feeds so that you can do exactly that: weed through the useless stuff. It’s amazing, though, how often the right mix of search choices and display will catch your eye.
That's true of any social media
99% of it is people being self-important. Why would you assume athletes are any different?
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Simpsons
“The important thing to remember is that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time”
-Grandpa Simpson.
Co-manager, Silver Seven
With Biz Nasty, really the NHL has latched onto him because he’s someone who’s actually got some personality and colour in a sport that’s littered with guys who either spew vanilla cliches or can’t speak English very well. I personally don’t really give a shit about him, but this is a day and age where being popular on Twitter can make you a star, in the same way appearing on Big Brother or popping out 8 kids can make you a celebrity.
by modsuperstar on Sep 26, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Ryan Murray, Nick Ebert, Martin Frk
I’m hoping for one of these guys, cause they’re the only names in the top 15 I can pronounce!
But seriously, I think it is good for players to establish themselves as a brand. There is money to be made beyond a players contract. Guys who are willing to establish themselves as a brand early on are setting themselves up to make extra money through sponsor deals. With players already establishing and promoting an image, sponsors will be eager to sign these guys to deals. I think it just makes sense. Especially for guys who are marginal NHLers. A little extra coin will go a long way towards a retirement plan.
It's what we all do.
You’re marketing yourself as a brand, so that when a potential employer Google’s you, they see good things.
Now now it took us a while to figure out how to pronounce Zibanejad
Let alone Puemple.
Oh Captain, my Captain!
So is no one going to comment on the dude dressed as HNIC puck?
Come on!
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You gonna say something to the guy wearing the $7000 hockey puck suit?
COME ON!
Space for rent.
by awr.campbell on Sep 26, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone need a Stream for the game?
Hey, I’m willing to stream the game this afternoon. But since it’s going to be shown on Cbc’s website, I just wanted to get a feel for who would be watching my stream. Any one interested?
Interesting article about the amount of Sens Alumni in the Habs organization
Mostly off-ice alumni, but some on ice ones (now in off-ice roles) as well.
http://senatorsextra.com/main/todays-habs-borrow-from-senators-past/
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