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Where will the goals come from this season?

"Where the goals at? I want the goals."

The Senators haven't make a move for a top-six forward since free agency opened up, and while it's a wise move given the outrageous contracts being handed out, it leaves the Senators in something of a tight spot. Unless they make a trade, the Ottawa Senators are left basically with the same lineup that finished second-worst in the NHL in goals with only 190. It's not the exact same line-up, of course -- this one doesn't have Mike Fisher, Alex Kovalev, Chris Kelly, or Ryan Shannon.

With the loss of those players comes bigger roles for Bobby Butler, Colin Greening, Erik Condra, and newcomers Nikita Filatov and Zenon Konopka, but these players are far from guaranteed to put the puck in the net at the NHL level. In the case of Konopka, it's all but certain that he won't be -- his career high is 4 goals in his rookie year. That's only 4 goals more than Cory Clouston scored in the NHL last season!

So while analysts keep saying that the Senators have to do better than their 190 goals last season, perhaps the biggest concern is if they can even reach that mark. Honestly, can the incoming players fill the gap of production left by those four?

Star-divide

As much as fans liked to moan about Fisher's contract or Kovalev's lackadaisical play, these guys put up a sizable portion of the Senators' offense. In fact, these four forwards who left the Senators combined for 51 of the Senators' 190 goals, or 26% of the team's goal output. What's notable about this figure is that Kovalev, Fisher, and Kelly were all traded after less than 60 games, meaning their full season contribution would have been even greater. Adjusting for an 82 game stretch at their pace with the Senators, this foursome would have combined for 70 goals.

That big chunk of goal scoring is being replaced by four players, not one of whom has even played half an NHL season (I've left Konopka out because his role is different). Are they likely to be able to combine to produce the same amount of offense as the four who left? I don't think so.

Admittedly, one could argue that I'm wrong by taking these players' previous production and extrapolating to 82 games (you get the following: Butler (23), Greening (21), Condra (19), Filatov (11), for a total of 74 goals). However, expecting that kind of output from a collection of rookies is optimistic and unrealistic. The numbers are based on very small sample sizes in which the players exceeded expectations. As an example, Colin Greening was only playing at a 20 goal pace in the AHL last season -- do we really expect him to do better against NHL defense and goalies than AHL ones? Furthermore, those numbers are good enough to put Butler, Greening, and Condra all in the top 10 rookie scoring this season. As great as that would be for the franchise, it's not something I'm going to be expecting.

Pessimism aside, I actually do expect the Senators to score more goals than they scored last season, just not a lot more. I'm also not placing my hopes on the shoulders of the young players on the team, or at least not yet. If the Senators are to score more than 190 goals this season, they will need the players who had poor seasons last year (like Sergei Gonchar and Peter Regin) to elevate their play this year, and the players who missed significant time due to injury (like Jason Spezza, Daniel Alfredsson, and Milan Michalek) to stay healthy for 75+ games. The kids can't do it all on their own.

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Do you think the Senators will top their goal total from last season?
Yes
233 votes
No
38 votes
Regardless of what I vote for, at the end of the season I'll claim I was right
44 votes

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Apparently the poll has closed

But I would’ve voted yes. Regression to the mean.

by TheGuineaPig on Sep 2, 2011 7:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Should be okay now

Vote away!

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by Adnan on Sep 2, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

Voting is still closed ;)

My Jason Spezza Obsession is Perfectly Healthy!

by SensDew19 on Sep 2, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

No it isn't, 14 people have voted now

You have to refresh page.

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by Adnan on Sep 2, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Conspiracy!

It wasnt working 3 minutes ago >:(

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by SensDew19 on Sep 2, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry about the poll closed thing

I started writing this like a month ago, and then forgot about it. Poll must start it’s “close date” from the time you start working on article, not when published. Weird.

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by DarrenM on Sep 2, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I say 180

I think it was last week that I was listening tio Team 1200 and they were giving overly generous estimates on how many goals each one of the players would score… and they reached around 210. This is with several players having career years and no injuries.

I figure we are good for around 180 goals, so we’ll have to be winning the Vezina to be in the playoff hunt in the spring.

So realistically it’s a year to enjoy the development of our young players as we build for the future, adding another top pick in next years draft.

by Marvellous on Sep 2, 2011 8:38 AM EDT reply actions  

I figure it will stay around the same

Butler I could see reaching the 23 goals in a season and I could see Filatov surpassing the 11. However, those ‘coulds’ are relying on consistent 82-game play with their linemates also being healthy. However, I do not at this point see Greening achieving 21 or Condra reaching 19. Not this year.

Where we will see an increase in offense, I believe, is from the back end. I fully expect Gonchar and Kuba will improve over last season. Karlsson will be about the same (hopefully his plus minus improves, though, otherwise he could really hurt my pool) and adding Rundblad into the mix, it will be a slow start for him but I see him being solid by seasons end, should improve production from the back end.

However, this still will not be enough to push the total north of 200. Even if Anderson and Auld play lights out goaltending for 82 games, which I see as being unrealistic, the anemic offense will place the team too low in the standings for a playoff seeding.

When I look at the East, I can honestly conclude that this team will finish between 12-15, but this does not upset me because it will provide invaluable experience for the youngsters and I can see in a couple years the team being in the thick of the playoffs again.

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by Manthong on Sep 2, 2011 8:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Very solid analysis. Good stuff.

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by DarrenM on Sep 2, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The manthong is right.

There’s a line I never thought I’d say.

by The Tif on Sep 2, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I project well over - around 220

With so many players having down years, it will be easy to beat that.

Just like when a bunch of players have career years, one says “can’t repeat that again”, I think the same has to be said when everyone craps out.

I think we will definitely see improved goal totals from Spezza, Regin, Butler, Gonchar, Filatov and maybe even Alfie.

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by Adnan on Sep 2, 2011 9:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I would've voted yes

Just for the fact that having more stability in nets crosses fingers will really flourish both our forwards and D. You’re also replacing Kovalev, Fisher and Kelly (sobs) with young guys like Greening, Butler and Da Costa who now have more ice time and more experience to score more goals. I stil have high hopes Michalek, Regin and Foligno can somehow find some magic under the new coach. Assuming Spezza has a healthier season his goal totals should not even be close to that of last year. Add to that a more “grown up” Karlsson and possible Rundbland and we got us some extra goodies from the back end.

It won’t be an easy season but there are a lot of things that can go right for us to at least make it one hell of a fun season to watch

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by SensDew19 on Sep 2, 2011 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

A very quick, rough prediction for everyone's goal output

Spezza – 25
Butler – 20
Alfie – 20
Michalek – 20
Filatov – 15
Foligno – 15
Karlsson – 10
Gonchar – 10
Regin – 10
Greening – 10
Condra – 10
Smith – 7
Neil – 5
Konopka – 5
Rundblad – 5
Kuba – 3
Phillips – 3
Carkner/Lee – 2

I think these were fair predictions for if everyone plays a full season. I did leave out Winchester as I don’t know where he fits in with Konopka, and I left out Cowen. I don’t think I made any terrible over-predictions, but I think a couple of guys may have even better years (in terms of goals) than I slated them to have, namely Spezza, Karlsson, and Filatov. That said, Filatov is also the most unpredictable (along with Regin), as I could see anywhere from 5-25 goals.

I think I was relatively fair in this assessment, which would give us 195Gs, just enough to pass last year’s mark.

Of course, this would require every player to be healthy for almost the whole year, which is obviously not happening. Despite that, I think we have potential for about 210 goals, but I think 195 is a safe bet.

by Kangfish on Sep 2, 2011 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I like this, and I think maybe more

I think with a return to norm Gonchar (& hopefully Kuba), an improving Karlsson & the addition of Runblad; puck movement from the D will greatly improve. That means that the all important ‘1st pass’ will improve offense off the rush & the PP will be much better.

Therefore, with a PP that looks like Butler-Spezza-Alfredsson w/ Gonchar-Karlsson & Michalek-Regin/Foligno-Filatov w/ Runblad-Kuba.

Assuming everyone stays healthy I think that should add 5G each to Spezza, Butler, Alfie & Foligno/Regin in the above totals. Meaning somewhere between 205 – 215 should be achieveable.

I reserve the right to change my opinion. After all, it belongs to me.

by havey03 on Sep 2, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

No comments on my reference to the Mobil, Alabama leprechaun video? Maybe it’s too dated of an internet meme.

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by DarrenM on Sep 2, 2011 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Additional factors

I picked “Yes”, but I wouldn’t bet big money on it. I think the offense will be better this year, but that is based more on wishful thinking than deep analysis. Here are a few additional factors that I haven’t seen other people mention, yet:

1) Coaching change – this is the biggest change could affect the clubs scoring. Clouston’s system emphasized hard forechecking, but it was a strangely defensive forecheck that didn’t generate a lot of offense (kind of a philosophy of keeping the puck in the other team’s end to prevent them from from scoring, rather than for the sake of scoring yourself).

2) Health – this could go either way, but it’s probably safe to add another 10-20 goals to last year’s totals if Spezza and Alfredsson played 75 games each(obviously assuming they were near 100% in those games).

3) Offense from the blueline – Gonchar had a sub-par season offensively and Karlsson is likely to continue improving. Rundblad is likely to add a bit of extra offense later in the year if he gets into games ahead of Lee or Carkner. You could even through Kuba in here as he usually generates a little more offense than he did last season.

4) Improved power play – Last year’s power play wasn’t so bad statistically, but it didn’t seem as effective as it should have been given the personnel (Alfie, Spezza, Gonchar, Karlsson). This year with a new coach and system that may improve.

5) Steady goalkeeping – When you trust the goalie it is a lot easier to generate offense because you can be a tiny bit less conservative. If you are always worried about making a mistake because you don’t feel like your goalie and/or defense can bail you out then you make a more tentative and conservative plays. Assuming Anderson’s performance is fairly close to what he did last year then we should see a less tentative team on offense.

by DW19 on Sep 2, 2011 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok, in the time it took to write my post I see that others brought up many of the same points.

by DW19 on Sep 2, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

with both Spezza and Alfredsson’s back problems I, sadly, have a difficult time seeing them both playing over 75 games, especially Alfie. I don’t want to seem pessimistic, but it seems there tends to be something that happens to Spezza each season and Alfie’s age is starting to show, and with that as injuries occur it makes it less likely that they won’t show up again.

However, I would be quite pleased if Alfie had a Selanne-esque renaissance this season, that’d be sweet.

In conclusion, I can see Spezza reaching 75 but I believe Alfie will play around 65.

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by Manthong on Sep 2, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

This article is bullshit

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by Mark Parisi on Sep 2, 2011 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

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