Analyzing the Senators' 2011 draft
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Of course it's silly to "analyze" players who have not yet set foot on the ice as Ottawa Senators. Evaluating these selections is something we will only be capable of doing years down the road, when we've seen how their careers have gone. For now, we only know that Senators General Manager Bryan Murray and his staff liked the guys they drafted better than any of their other options.
Does that mean we can't do any analysis? Nope! In fact, looking at the decisions made in this draft, it appears what we're seeing is the culmination of a plan hatched back in the summer of 2007.
How did we get here?
In general, the accepted threshold for a successful draft is about 19%. This is the equivalent of one or two players drafted each year developing into full-time NHL players. The fact that such a low conversion rate is considered acceptable speaks volumes about just how hard it is to become an NHL player. There are leagues around the world littered with players who had the talent to succeed but lacked the mental fortitude or work ethic to succeed, or just got unlucky with injuries.
Because the chances of success are so tenuous, there is always a talent imbalance in the NHL. Teams exceeding the draft success threshold consistently generally enjoy long stretches of success, while teams unable to meet this success threshold generally struggle to compete unless they are able to acquire top-flight talent via free agency or trade. The structure of the NHL Draft, as in most sports leagues, seeks to offset this pattern by giving the worst teams the best opportunities to acquire new talent--parity across the league being the ultimate, if unachievable, goal.
During John Muckler's six-year stint at GM, the Senators had 43 draft selections. Of those, 7 developed into NHL players. Patrick Eaves did not develop into an NHL player for the Senators, so he cannot be counted towards the Senators' fortunes. Generously including Colin Greening because of his one-way contract means the Senators under Muckler had s a success rate of 13.9%, which is well below that 19% threshold. If Greening does not pan out, the number drops to 11%. However, if both Greening and Erik Condra earn full-time roles with the team, the final number rises to 16%--still below average.
The merits of Muckler's handling of the franchise are not being examined here, so that stat is not an indictment nor an endorsement of the former GM. It is simply a fact.
That success rate meant that Muckler's successor, current GM Bryan Murray, had no room for error when making changes to the team. He literally had no cushion to cover injuries or free agent busts. As we know, Murray's tenure has been far from error-free, despite the critical need to avoid mistakes while attempting to restock the team's depth.
And so, here we stand. Senate Reform is the result of failures by both men.
Where is here, anyway?
There aren't many things more frustrating than being the architect of your own destruction, and as we watched the Anaheim Ducks grind away the more skilled Senators in five games, it's easy to imagine Murray fuming as the foundation he previously laid put the screws to the team he was currently coaching.
It's also easy to imagine Murray making a mental catalog of the weaknesses exposed by the thrashing, and how to fix them. When Muckler was subsequently dismissed and Murray rose to the GM position, he had the opportunity to do just that.
Murray had already lost Zdeno Chara, and he knew he was liable to lose Wade Redden soon as well. Plus/minus leader Tom Preissing was going to leave via free agency. Andrej Meszaros would soon be a restricted free agent. That left him faced with a defensive corps of Chris Phillips, Anton Volchenkov, and Joe Corvo. Corvo, of course, would request a trade the very next season.
Meanwhile, Muckler's big free agent signing, Martin Gerber, had yielded the job to talented but eccentric youngster Ray Emery--and Emery needed significant offseason surgery to his wrist.
Up front, Murray had one of the league's most potent lines in Dany Heatley, Jason Spezza, and Daniel Alfredsson. The second line was solid with Mike Fisher and Antione Vermette as strong counterpunchers.
It's no wonder, then, that Murray chose to build his team from the back end outwards.
Ascending to the role with less than a month to prepare, Murray had to trust Muckler's scouting team at the 2007 draft. But in 2008, he began to put his own stamp on the team:
His first two picks, Erik Karlsson and Patrick Weircioch, were puck moving defensemen, and he added two more, Filip Kuba and Alex Picard, via trade. The losses of Redden, Corvo, and Meszaros would be replaced.
2009 saw him continue to address the back end, as behemoth Jared Cowen was drafted and Antoine Vermette was traded for what turned out to be two goaltenders: Pascal Leclaire and Robin Lehner.
In 2010, Murray continued to add defense--still a need with the diminsihing play of Kuba and impending departure of RFA Chris Campoli--by adding David Rundblad via trade. He then spent the remainder of the draft on offense--Dany Heatley's loss needed to be addressed. Seeing that the play of his two current goaltenders, Leclaire and Brian Elliott, was not nearly the level he expected, Murray traded for Craig Anderson, whose play was a revelation.
To the chagrin of Senators fans, Murray has actively resisted adding forward depth through the draft. It was only when he was confident in his defensive and goaltending situations that he was willing to address the forward situation. This year, we saw that play out, as three first-round picks were used on fowards, and a former first-round pick, Nikita Filatov, was added as a fourth forward.
So while we can't say with any certainty that the players selected this year will be successful, it appears this draft is the continuation of an effort to rebuild the team from the goal outwards. Senators fans should consider such a heavy investment at the forward position a strong indication of the scouting staff's opinion of the team's future in goal and on defense.
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Nice overview
Mark, a really nice high level overview analysis of how we got to where we are. For me it’s painful to revisit the destruction of a once great defence, but it’s nice to see the rebuilding… and I guess the same can be said about a once great offence. There was a time when we lead the league in goals for… YIKES!!!
FINALLY adding some forward depth is a great thing. The vision surrounding the defence IMO was and is sound. We added alot of scoring depth, and did not sacrifice any of the depth on the blue line in the process.
That Filatov didn’t get along with Hitchcock doesn’t mean much because not many players liked Hitch. I do however credit Hitch with giving Spezza a good kick in the ass re his defensive efforts… but that’s beside the point here.
We added four “potential” top six guys and a miniature scorer as well. I hope we exceed Mark’s 19% success rate and we should given that that percentage comes from teams having one first rounder a year…
Arguing about Zbad versus Coutourier is pretty stupid because no one has seen Zbad even half as many times as our scouts have. Time will tell on that one. When I watched Coutourier on Team Canada, my impression was that he was out of place and not worthy of being anywhere near first overall which he was at the time. Maybe he was injured at the time, who knows?
Let’s hope that lots of teams are kicking themselves for letting Puempel slip so far. And Noesen for a 1.13 PPG guy ran under the radar and could turn into a gem. It’ll be great to see these guys at the Sens prospect games.
Finally IMO the one spot where we are coming up short in the vision for the future department is in nets. Yes, we improved our goaltending but we still need a second great young goalie gaining valuable experience because we are one injury to Anderson away from disaster between the pipes.
Goaltending needs to be deepened now, i agree
is Brust expected to be a career AHLer? because it looks to me we have Lehner and then… (crickets).
clearly we’re picking up a tender via FA. But in drafting we need to focus on this in the coming year(s), methinks.
Yeah, putting all our eggs in Lehner's basket would be a huge mistake
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by Mark Parisi on Jun 27, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed but
Goaltending depth is harder to deal with than depth at any other position. You have 18 skaters and only 2 goaltenders. To top that off, only one is a starter.
Agreed.
Wasn’t Jeff Glass going to be the next big thing? And then Emery showed flashes of brilliance, and then Elliot …. so who knows.
lol Jeff Glass??
Sidorkiewicz, Billington, Beaupre, Barasso, Glass, Jani Hurme, Martin Prusek, Mathieu Chouinard (x2), Hasek, Gerber, Elliott, Leclaire…
(You may notice I’ve left Rhodes, Tugnutt, Lalime & Emery off this list – that is because these goalies at least played to expectations & exceeded them more often than not. They may not have left town under the best of circumstances, but they gave us some pretty solid tending over the years)
Oh good lord
Prusek. Now there’s a memory I didn’t need to have brought back up.
Also: to be fair, Hasek and Leclaire both played up to expectations – when they were playing. We just didn’t realize that Pascal Leclaire’s bones were made of glass, and Hasek went and re-aggravated his previoulsy-career-ending injury in the Olympics.
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I don't think Leclaire ever met expectations
He was pretty terrible even when he was healthy. The only exception was the string of a couple good games he put together in the playoffs.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Jun 27, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
He was usually the best Sens player on the ice this year
At least in the handful of games he actually played. But the team just couldn’t play in front of him for whatever reason.
He definitely had issues with team confidence.
You saw that a little with Leclaire vs Elliot, but then Anderson came in and the entire demeanor changed. The team was poised, they had confidence that he’d make big saves (or regular ones, y’know) and they did way better.
So lets see. If he has a better off season training program he could do well – strengthen up, get some yoga/weights in there to make him durable, and then maybe he’ll go to the KHL for a bit to show he has the skills to make it.
I don't think you can focus on drafting a goalie
Reality is that from 100 on back, Ottawa could have picked all goalies and had zero of them actually work out for the team. You can’t pick a prospect because he plays a position that you need and happens to have a ranking in the top 200 players. You have to pick a player that you like that you see potential in. Otherwise you go home after your first 3 picks. Rest assured that the scouts are on the lookout for what they want. When they see it, they’ll go after it. Perhaps our old friend Anders Forsberg @ Skelleftea AIK in the SEL will hear a thing or two about a goalie prospect we might be interested in. It will come. Either through draft, trade or free agency.
I think this sums it up pretty well
I’m sure if there were a goalie prospect they liked, they’d have taken him.
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by Mark Parisi on Jun 27, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
As much as they were clearly focused on the front end, BMur et al wouldn’t just have skipped over someone they liked because he plays the wrong position.
Hey, maybe we’ll grab someone out of college! It turned out well with Butler and hopefully Da Costa will be another great signing. BMur’s scouts are great and I’ll trust their judgment.
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Splitting Hairs, but none the less...
Patrick Eaves played parts of 3 seasons with Ottawa, getting into 157 games. He was also scoring at a rate of 1 goal every 4 games… Just saying.
Murray has done a good job of stocking the cupboard with this draft. I believe this years draft has the potential to go down as the best in Sens history.
Other than a backup goalie for the season – preferably an experienced veteran who can handle a starters role should something happen to Craig – Johan Hedberg perhaps? I don’t see any free agents signings in our future. Perhaps in a couple of years there may be a scoring winger to look at through free agency. I just hope the Gonchar, Lapointe, Kovalev, Stillman days are over….
I was going to take issue with that Eaves comment as well. He definitely was an NHL player when we traded him. He wasn’t someone who bounced up and down between Ottawa and Bingo either. Looking at his stats his second season in Ottawa is still the best of his career. The problem was we expected too much of him. He was a 3rd line player that we were expecting to play second line, and sometimes first line minutes which wasn’t right.
by modsuperstar on Jun 27, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed on Eaves
I felt like he’d become a regular for us. And then he was traded in his mid-20s as a 30P/season player — theoretically bringing in roughly equal value to the franchise, thus contributing to the team’s fortunes.
by Desario is a freak on Jun 28, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
He resigned
Things didn’t go too well and he decided to move on. Might have been something going on in the background, but i believe this is how the team and Murray at the time told us how it went down.
Didn't notice the earlier reply there
Sorry for that.
I wouldn’t say things didn’t go too well. He lost in game 7 of the stanley cup finals to New Jersey during his tenure…
That's true
But the season after that (which was BM’s last season in Anaheim) was a huge disappointment: the Mighty Ducks (awesome name, they should bring it back!) finished 12th in the west after winning just 29 games, 15 points away from the playoffs.
Did we take best player available?
With the first five picks being forwards, it seems we did draft on need and not just blindly picking the best player available. I prefer this approach, because you might not be able to get market value for the excess depth in a position you are trading.
Just as a rough estimate, not considering goalies, assuming forwards/defencemen distributed evenly, there is a 60% chance of best player being a forward.
The chance of the first five picks all having forward as best player is (0.6 ^ 5) = 7.8%.
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by Adnan on Jun 27, 2011 9:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I got the impression that we drafted best need available
At least, beyond pick #6, anyway.
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The differences among the Top9 weren’t all that big. With such a set-up every team will opt for the prospect that they need. Similar situation at the bottom of the first round, once Klefblom was gone it was a fair game.
2011 was a unique draft where players from #1 to #55 or #60 were closer together in terms of talent. Don’t be surprised to see #44 (just a wild guess) will wind up being the best players of the 2011 draft class in 5-8 years, while #11, #15 or #22 bust.
Isn't this true every year?
Someone outside the first round will always end up better than a few of the top 10 picks.
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Does the 19% include only those drafted by same club?
For example, we didn’t draft Rundblad but we basically used a draft pick and got him. Same with Filatov, we used a 3rd rounder on him.
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by Adnan on Jun 27, 2011 9:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I would say yes to Rundblad and no to Filatov
I wouldn’t count a player who has played in the NHL as a draft success if they pan out, even though a draft pick may have been used to acquire them. That’s just s straight up trade in my opinion—an area where Murray has had much less success than Muckler.
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In case anyone wants any more analysis
CBC radio is going to be talking about the Sens draft and yours truly just got called to talk about it. I promise that my comments will be less beer-fueled than Friday evening’s comments!
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I think Peter also, although I'll let him confirm
But you should find a recording for the Nuggets!
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Did it air already?
I am about to go for lunch, but if you find a link quickly, I’ll post it.
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Which CBC is it?
There are streams of:
CBC Radio One, 91.5 FM
CBC Radio Two, 103.3 FM
Since I don’t live in Ottawa, I have no clue what’s the difference…
I'd send something better but it's blocked here at work
We’re not allowed to stream radio because it uses up all the bandwidth
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This will get you to the streaming radio page
http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Radio/1447825254/ID=1404737766
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by Peter Raaymakers on Jun 27, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what I'm using, real fast connection
http://www.cbc.ca/video/radio-popup.html#networkKey=cbc_radio_one&programKey=ottawa
Great Job from EVERYONE on covering the draft
I liked the comment about winning the Kovalev trade by drafting a warm body; that is so true.
I didn’t know enough about the draftees to form any opinion on who they should take, only that we need some offense and scorers. It seems Murray and company did a good job overall. Obviously it takes a few years to be able to judge it.
In retrospect, it appears that Karlsson, the 15th overall in 2008, is now worth a first overall pick. Filatov on the other hand, the 6th overall in the same draft, is now only worth a 66th overall pick. That’s just one example of what an inexact science drafting young players can be.
Thanks for the good coverage. This is the only place I had to look to see what was going on.
Thank you
Thanks to all of you for an enjoyable draft. The information exchange and the kidding around, and the varied perspectives. Thanks for sharing all of that. The endless wait until draft day was made alot easier for me.
In the end it all worked out great, and I’m looking forward to the Prospects Camp. I’d love to meet as many of you as possible at the Prospects games.
Are the Prospects games here in Ottawa?
The development camp is in Ottawa tomorrow though
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Great analysis
I have one issue though. The average of 19% who become NHL players IS just an average as you say. Obviously a tam that has much more high-end picks would have a better chance than the teams that traded those picks to the ad therefore have less. Just given this we should expect well over 19% success-rate from this year. But becoming an NHL player has to do with more than the player’s potential – it has to do with his development. If there is no room on the squad, there is little chance for development into an NHL player. These are likely the main two reasons for the lack of Sens drafting success (on average) over that last decade. All of the current prospects have a much higher probability of getting a chance to succeed now, because there is an organizational capacity to develop them – which includes serious potential for roster spots.
Excellent points
I certainly wouldn’t consider that 19% to be any kind of absolute “success threshold” for the reasons you point out.
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Also
19% is the average for all draft picks, but we had three picks in the first round, and first rounders (I would assume) have a better track record of panning out than just that.
Man, I hope so
Otherwise, there’s not much reason for trading up into the first round.
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Good work!
Enjoyed the commentary. I sometimes forget that Murray actually has a good resume outside of the shaky Ottawa start.
Good job!! You sounded great all the way down here in Florida.
I only wish they’d interviewed you Friday night…
Bahahahahaha
So you could have heard them constantly bleeping out my beer-fueled profanity? That would not have been an interview for the CBC!
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Well it could have been!
Maybe the CBC is looking to appeal to a different demographic. It could be their version of Springer. “Beer Fueled/Profanity-Laced Rants – A Sens’ Story”. Maybe it could be aired on the new Sens TV?
I don't know
I feel like CBC learned their lesson from the Don Cherry fiasco, and would not go for it. But maybe!
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Dang, I missed it!
Hopefully they podcast it online.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Jun 27, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
They do a daily podcast of highlights
I will post a link if I find one! I basically said I was pissed off at first, but my attitude has mellowed and now I’m happy to see what happens and excited to see Murray’s plans for us taking shape. And also that I don’t see a downside to the Filatov deal. Seriously the more I think about it and hear about it, the less of a downside I see.
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One thing that kind of floored me was a quote from Murray about Zibanejad in Panzeri's Saturday write-up:
“We thought it was very important to get a forward who could play fairly early on, whether it’s next year or the year after.”
(Citizen, June 25, B1)
So clearly an admission that ‘best player on the board’ wasn’t their MO, which was upsetting enough to me. But the above statement just seems recklessly, wantonly myopic to me.
You can argue there wasn’t a huge difference in players on the board, but if the club took MZ instead of Couturier based entirely on NHL-readiness and not on talent, that’s just plain foolish. I’m sure their scout saw good things from him, but the kid’s only played half a season of pro hockey in Sweden. He may have dominated in the Swedish Junior league, but forgive me if I’m unmoved.
Of course all this is an opinion and could be wrong. But looking at the amount of hockey both players have played over the last few years, the numbers they’ve put up and the reputations they’ve garnered it just seems to me SC had the offensive skill set the Sens desperately need.
For Murray to admit he was overly concerned with getting a player who could play sooner, rather than the best player period is beyond arrogant IMO, and an indication of how cynically he views the fan base. Not that he hasn’t demonstrated that time and again.
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I would say Couturier is more NHL ready right now than Zibanejad probably
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Oh, I have never seen any of them play
I just read others say that. But yeah, I am happy with the pick.
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alright, i'll fess up, i saw Couturier but
don’t even know if Zibanejad played there (i could look it up, i suppose). But, anyway, Couturier didnt distinguish himself in the games i watched (against 18-20 yr-olds).
I would agree
I hardly think that quote suggests that they passed over Couturier despite thinking he was better. Also, how do you define “best player”? There’s something to be said for being close to being NHL-ready. I really doubt that they saw a future Daniel Alfredsson and passed on him because he was a whole 3-4 years away from the NHL and they wanted someone who’d be ready sooner.
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i don't necessarily interpret that as cynically as you
i think it is more Murray and his scouting team’s MO to draft players who have played against men which I probably a better bell-weather for how they’ll transition to the NHL. In my mind, it makes sense it takes some of the risk out of wondering if your CHL superstar might actually end up no better than a career AHLer.
It seems that those that are assuming that Couturier dropped in the rankings only because folks were giving him a longer look are giving professional scouts very little credit here. The bottom line is that, as the draft was nearing, Couturier was trending down among professional scouts while MZ was trending upward. I am not unconvinced that Plan A was to draft Strome and Plan B, MZ. But MZ over Couturier? At least 5 teams’ scouting departments clearly agreed that Couturier’s stock had fallen, and those guys nuts are on the line over these picks. My money is with them…
Me either
I think it’s a reflection of the fact that we need forwards and we need them soon, and not that we somehow have to appease the fans and pick someone so they can see him soon. If BMur wanted to make the fanbase happy, Couturier was the way to do that since he’s the familiar face.
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What's there to be cynical about?
The quote speaks for itself. He could’ve just said they drafted the player they thought was the best available. I’d be fine with that. But instead he decided to qualify it.
It’s not at all unreasonable to think he’s saying they might have forgone the most talented player for a player who they think can play in the league sooner.
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I think he just meant to say at #6, you don't want a long term project kind of player
Because in terms of being able to play sooner, there is no indication that Couturier is further away than Zibanejad.
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I think ‘long term project’ is a fairly relative term when you’re talking top-10 prospects.
Couturier might be more ready, but what I’m taking issue with here is Murray’s decision-making process.
Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.
I think you are reading the quote wrong. He would have said the exact same thing about Couturier if he had drafted him. The scouts just liked Zabinejad better. You are seeing underhanded motivations that do not exist.
Ah, well if you were there at the Sens table during the draft then I guess you know better than I
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I think people give too much credence to the "rankings"...
It’s fun watching them in the run-up to the draft, but they really don’t mean that much. Each team picks on what their scouts see AND what they need. Ottawa needs offense, so the higher picks were forwards. Obviously Colorado and Florida thought they needed offense too, so they let Larsson drop to 4th even though most rankings had him second.
The only rankings that matter are those set in stone by the GM’s on draft day, and as I said, those don’t reflect just how good the players are, but take into account the needs of the teams. I’m glad that the Sens picked Z-Bad based on what they’d seen rather than picking Couturier because the Internet said he was better. Only time will show us which player has more success.

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