Silver Nuggets: Bryan Murray trade history; Lehner learning

So is that photo!

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It’s not like I love Z. Smith for his supergeniosity.

Guys like that are harder to find than the shut down D guy.

So you would scarfice a Defensive prospect for a forward.

Chris Phillips had 48P in 58GP in his final season in junior. Projecting NHL offence based on CHL offence is always tough, but especially so with defencemen. So I’m not sold on Cowen becoming Chara-esque, although he nearly has the size for it.

I wouldn’t be that happy to give up Cowen even if we got the #1 pick out of it. I guess a straight up deal or throwing in the second rounder from Chicago would be a good value trade for Ottawa, but we would be losing the best defensive defenseman in the system. The Sens could take a D-man with Nashville’s pick, but he would be at least a couple of years behind Cowen in terms of development.

I see Cowen as potentially a very good partner for Karlsson down the road. Karlsson could cause havoc with his offensive skills while Cowen would be minding the store. When it came to the defensive zone, Cowen could clear the front of the net while Karlsson could intercept passes, break up the play and initiate the rush up ice. All total speculation of course, but Cowen just seems to fit with my idea of a future Senators squad.

I don’t think any team would. You have to think the price of the first overall pick is going to involve any partner’s first pick as well.

The Senators have one roster player realistically worth the first pick all by himself, and Murray’s already labeled him untouchable.

If fans on here would go for a top forward prospect over a highly rated defensive prospect if given the opportunity. I guess it’s possible to make u for the loss of a shutdown D prospect in the later stage of the draft. But nabbing a top forward is more difficult.

Assuming we have 2 rebuilding years ahead of us, we have:
for sure: Phillips, Karlsson
if we resign: Lee, Carkner
prospects: Cowen, Rundblad, Wiercoch?

I think if we were to take Cowen out of that mix, we’d lose a lot in the defensive angle and size department. Phillips, Lee and Carkner as our defensive D doesn’t sound like a hard time for our opponents.

Maybe Weircioch is supposed to add on the defensive side? I don’t know much about him but saw that he had 2nd worst +/- on the B-sens this year, so I’m guessing not.

Unless we’re adding a premier defenseman like Shea Weber, I’d say we should stick with (hopefully) our Chara/Pronger/Weber-type prospect.

Your analogy of spending your paycheque before it is even deposited would be true if we trade for 28 year old. Trading him to get a another top forward is changing jobs to one with the same pay now but with better hope of a raise in the future.

I think a lot of people fell in love with the idea of a top three pick and can’t let go of it. They want the pick more than they want the player they’ll draft with it.

I don’t see a prospect in the top 5 that’s worth trading Cowen for. Even if his ceiling is as a strictly shut down defenseman, he’s still the Senators’ only blue-chip physical, shut down D prospect.

Is that BM trades our #6 pick for a top guy who was drafted a year or two back (like the Rundblad trade) who a team values less than whoever is available at 6 this year.

This may or may not add talent, but would presumably produce a player that’s more ready to step in immediately.

I imagine the Sens and BM have multiple guys running through all the possibilities to form a plan with all kinds of options before the draft. I would bet that he comes out of it with someone for a top-6 forward role, sometime in the next 3 seasons.

I don’t have an answer for my own question. I asked it to see what the reaction would be if that scenario was to take place. I assume that management would not have a plan contingent on the team tanking and getting a top 3 pick. I think they know better to plan for any scenario.

Normally I would go for the offensive prospect given our lack of top line offensive prospects. But in this particular case, it would be taking the cork out of one hole and placing it on another hole, because we also have a lack of blue chip d-men.

A lot of fans (me being one of them) wanted a top pick to compensate for this year’s play. But I am not one of the fans that think this year’s performance was a fluke. It was an end of an era in Sens history and the begining of a new one. It’s an inevitable cycle. Some teams just have an awesome scouting system to make the transition easier.