Ottawa Senators prospect roundup: March 2, 2011

by Alexander Calloway on Mar 2, 2011 7:00 AM EST in Ottawa Senators prospects

Erik Condra, seen here in his first NHL game, is one of the many players who've been shuttling back and forth between Ottawa and Binghamton.

Binghamton Senators (AHL)

32-22-7, 71 Points, 5th East Division (2-2-1 during the week)
185 Goals for, 157 Goals against

Game 57: Binghamton 4, Wilkes-Barre/Scranton 2 (Feb. 23, 2011, Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena)

Seven wins in a row and Binghamton was able to get it by defeating the AHL's best team! Outshot 48-16, Binghamton's goal scorers were Kaspars Daugavins, Eric Gryba, Ryan Keller, and Andrew Sweetland. Barry Brust had another fantastic game, making 47 saves! And did I mention this was against the team with the most points in the AHL?

BSens Hero: Barry Brust
Brust had a fantastic game, making 47 saves. Just don't tell that to head coach Kurt Kleinendorst, who went up to the press up and argued that they got the number of shots against wrong.

BSens Hero: Corey Cowick
Cowick's been spending most of the year down in Elmira, but he's been tearing it up recently and was given a shot in the AHL. He had a two point night, both points assists to Eric Gryba and Andrew Sweetland goals, and was +2.

BSens Hero: Ryan Keller
A theme with Binghamton is whenever a player gets called up, someone steps up. And Ryan Keller has done that. He recorded two points (1G, 1A)

Game 58: Binghamton 7, Albany 4 (Feb. 25, 2011, Onondaga County War Memorial at Oncenter)
Binghamton came back with five (5!) unanswered goals in the third! Ryan Keller had a hat trick, and Andre Benoit, Ben Gordon, Craig Schira, Brad Snetsinger were the other goal scorers for Binghamton. Barry Brust made 19 saves off 23 shots, but that didn't hurt Binghamton as they won their eighth game in a row!

BSens Hero: Andre Benoit
Had two points tonight (1G/1A) and went +3. That call-up to Ottawa must have done something to him, because he was alive and on fire!

Making the best of an opportunity
Both PTOs, Ben Gordon and Brad Snetsinger scored their first goals tonight. Both players weren't picked from Elmira, as Kurt Kleinendorst scouted the players himself.

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Game 59: Rochester 3, Binghamton 2 (SO) (Feb. 25, 2011, Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena)

The winning streak maybe over, but the point streak still lives. Binghamton has been awarded a point in 11 consecutive games and is holding a short lead in 4th place of the East Division. Pascal Leclaire played his first AHL game since April 28, 2006, and made 30 saves. Corey Cowick and Andrew Sweetland were the goal scorers for Binghamton, Cowick's being his first AHL goal, and Sweetland scoring against his former AHL team. With the game going to shootout, Binghamton remains unbeaten in regulation in 11 games, having earned a possible 20 out of 22 points.

BSens Hero: Corey Cowick
Scored his AHL goal, and it was with his parents among the 4,292 at the Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena

BSens Hero: Pascal Leclaire
Played 64 minutes of hockey, and looked pretty alright. He was able to keep Binghamton in the game when the team was down, and stopped four of the five shootout rounds.

BSens Hero: Derrek Smith
Recored his 100th AHL assist in the third with Andrew Sweetland's game tying goal. Congratulations D. Smith.

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Game 60: Adirondack 5, Binghamton 2 (Feb. 26, 2011, Glens Falls Civic Center)

The the streak is now done as Binghamtom fell to Adirondack, 5-2. Ryan Keller and Roman Wick were Binghamton's only goal scorers. Goalie Garrett Zemlak was signed off a PTO and made his first AHL start, stopping 24 of 28 shots. Former Binghamton captain Denis Hamel scored the fifth goal, an empty netter, with 2.2 seconds left!

BSens Hero: Andre Benoit
Was credited with an assist for both Binghamton goals.

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Game 61: Albany 3, Binghamton 2 (Mar. 1, 2011, Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena)

And now the losing streak begins! Binghamton has lost in two consecutive games, and Ryan Keller was Binghamton's only goal scorer, scoring both goals. Barry Brust made 21 saves off 25 shots, Eric Gryba had seven PIMs.

BSens Hero: Ryan Keller
Scored both Binghamton goals, off six shots.

2010-2011 Binghamton Senators
Name	GP	G	A	Pts	+/-	PIM
Corey Locke	52	18	54	72	+13	34
Erik Condra†	54	17	29	46	+19	39
Derek Smith	59	9	34	43	+7	19
Andre Benoit	56	7	34	41	+8	37
Jim O'Brien	54	16	24	40	+13	61
Kaspars Daugavins	55	13	27	40	+5	26
Ryan Keller	51	24	14	38	-1	30
Colin Greening	54	13	23	36	+10	41
Bobby Butler†	47	22	11	33	+5	35
Roman Wick	54	13	14	27	+6	16
Mike Hoffman	55	7	13	20	-13	8
Geoff Kinrade	58	4	15	19	+9	30
David Dziurzynski	56	6	11	17	-9	34
Zack Smith†	22	7	5	12	+3	32
Patrick Wiercioch	53	4	8	12	-11	17
Craig Schira	56	3	9	12	+11	18
Cody Bass	44	2	6	8	-6	74
Andrew Sweetland	11	3	3	6	+3	0
David Hale	28	2	4	6	+4	2/
Corey Cowick	10	1	3	4	+2	7
Eric Gryba	52	2	2	4	+2	103
Francis Lessard†	36	2	1	3	-5	187
Bradley Snetsinger	3	1	0	1	-3	0
Ben Gordon	3	1	0	1	+1	0
Yannick Tifu†	6	0	1	1	0	0
Tim Spencer†	15	0	1	1	-5	54
Patrick Coulombe†	3	0	0	0	0	0
Brennan Turner†	4	0	0	0	0	5
Jason Bailey	23	0	0	0	-2	20

Goaltender
Name	GP	Min	W	L	OTL	GA	GAA	SA	Sv%	SO	G	A	PIM
Barry Brust	37	2133	23	12	1	90	2.53	1234	.927	6	0	4	28
Robin Lehner†	17	966	7	6	2	43	2.67	491	.912	2	0	0	0
Mike Brodeur	7	394	2	5	0	20	3.05	192	.896	0	0	0	0
Pascal Leclaire	1	65	0	0	1	2	1.85	31	.938	0	0	0	0
Garrett Zemlak	1	59	0	1	0	4	4.085	28	.857	0	0	0	0

†No longer with team

Elmira Jackals (ECHL)

25-23-6, 49 Points, 2nd Atlantic Division (3-0-0 during the week)
200 Goals for, 200 Goals against

Game 50: Elmira 3, Wheeling 1 (Feb. 18, 2011, First Arena)
New head coach Robbie Nichols got his first win in his ECHL debut. Elmira scored three unanswered goals to take the lead, and held on to it to start off their three day home-stand.

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Game 51: Elmira 5, Reading 4 (Feb. 18, 2011, First Arena)
In front of the second-largest hometown crowd in team history, Elmira staged a huge comeback win against rival Reading. Elmira scored three unanswered goals to get the win, two of them from Justin Donati, and Robbie Nichols improves to 2-0.

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Game 52: Elmira 4, Trenton 3 (Feb. 27, 2011, First Arena)
Elmira completes the sweep off the backs of forwards Yannick Tifu and Justin Donati, who both scored four points. The win puts Elmira back into the playoff hunt.

2010-2011
Name	GP	G	A	Pts	+/-	PIM
Justin Donati	53	19	55	74	-9	48
Yannick Tifu	49	19	38	57	+12	91
Michael Dubuc†	31	19	14	33	+1	48
Patrick Coulombe†	50	11	22	33	+7	32
Adam Perry	51	16	17	33	+5	34
Brock McBride†	27	9	23	32	+1	41
Eric Lampe	37	16	15	31	-4	12
Eric Regan†	39	9	21	30	-3	47
R.J. Anderson	47	7	23	30	+5	30
Andrew Sweetland†	38	21	7	28	-6	10
Tyler Donati†	18	10	11	21	0	34
Oren Eizenman†	13	5	13	18	+11	6
Kevin DeVergilio†	32	7	12	19	-12	62
Corey Cowick†	29	5	8	13	-6	70
Brennan Turner†	37	1	10	11	+2	92
Ryan Hillier	34	3	7	10	-4	4
John de Gray†	23	2	7	8	+5	32
Josh Brittain	30	3	5	8	-3	62
Dustin Cameron†	24	3	4	7	-8	15
Samson Mahbod†	9	2	4	6	+2	8
Chris Frank†	21	0	5	5	0	87
Jamie Fraser†	8	0	4	4	+2	0
Dale Mahovsky	11	2	2	4	+1	4
Marc-Antoine Desnoyers†	12	0	4	4	+4	10
Brian Lebler†	14	2	2	4	+4	38
Matt Krug	14	0	4	4	-2	30
Tristin Llewellyn	16	0	4	4	-3	10
Mike Hoffman†	3	0	4	4	+1	0
Brad Miller†	6	2	1	3	+2	0
Jason Bailey†	7	2	1	3	+1	6
John Kurtz†	8	1	2	3	+2	0
Drew Paris	15	1	2	3	-1	11
Brennan Sarazin†	1	1	1	2	0	0
John Mitchell†	3	1	1	2	-2	0
Billy Siers	3	0	1	1	0	11
Tim Spencer†	3	0	1	1	0	23
David Sloane	3	0	1	1	-1	2
David Inman†	6	0	1	1	0	0
Jon Mirasty†	8	1	0	1	-1	45
Jody Pederson†	24	0	1	1	-10	8
Devin Guy	1	0	0	0	0	2
Leland Fidler	1	0	0	0	0	0
Stu Bickel†	1	0	0	0	-3	0
Tim Recio†	1	0	0	0	+1	0
Mason Cossette	2	0	0	0	+1	0
Alan Dorich†	3	0	0	0	-3	4
Brett Gallant†	13	0	0	0	-1	80

Goaltender
Name	GP	Min	W	L	OTL	GA	GAA	SA	Sv%	SO	G	A	PIM
Marco Cousineau	33	1802	16	11	4	97	3.23	926	.895	0	0	0	0
Daren Machesney†	9	536	1	8	0	41	4.59	318	.871	0	1	1	2
Garrett Zemlak†	6	270	1	2	1	22	4.89	120	.817	0	0	0	0
Zane Kalemba†	4	164	1	0	1	12	4.40	67	.821	0	0	0	0
Mike Brodeur†	4	232	3	1	0	10	2.59	114	.912	0	0	0	0
Timo Pielmeier†	2	125	1	0	1	7	3.37	55	.873	0	0	0	0
Shane Connelly†	2	120	2	0	0	3	1.50	70	.957	0	0	0	0
Peter Skoggard†	1	44	0	1	0	2	2.74	18	.889	0	0	0	0
Mario Passarelli†	1	14	0	0	0	0	0.00	5	1.000	0	0	0	0

†No longer with team

CHL

Name	Team	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM
Mark Stone	Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL)	63	34	58	92	+9	28
Jared Cowen	Spokane Chiefs (WHL)	50	16	26	42	+40	83
Jakub Culek	Rimouski Oceanic (QMJHL)	48	6	13	18	+4	35

Mark Stone is tied for third in the WHL in both points and assists. Stone also is fifth in the WHL with 16 power-play goals. Jared Cowen is second in Spokane Chiefs scoring for defensemen, sixth overall. He's also fifth in WHL in plus-minus.

Sweden

Name	Team	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM
David Rundblad	Skelleftea HC (SEL)	52	11	36	47	+8	12
Markus Sorensen	Djurgårdens IF (J20 SuperElit)^‡	25	12	21	33	n/a	47
Markus Sorensen	Djurgårdens IF Stockholm (SEL)	7	1	1	2	+2	0
Jakob Silfverberg	Brynas IF Gavle (SEL)	50	15	16	31	-9	16
Andre Petersson	HV71 Jonkoping (SEL)	31	8	4	12	+5	18
Emil Sandin	Brynas IF Gavle (SEL)‡	26	0	3	3	-1	6
	Mora IK (HockeyAllsvenskan)	16	2	8	10	+2	10
	Brynäs J20 (J20 SuperElit)‡	2	1	0	1	n/a	0

David Rundblad ranks first in league scoring for defensemen, third overall in the Elitserien and Skelleftea, and leads in Skelleftea assists. Marcus Sorensen is listed on the Djurgårdens roster, but hasn't played since Januray 6th. Jakob Silfverberg is tied for forth in Brynäs IF scoring, and second in Brynäs IF goals. Andre Petersson hasn't played since January 18th due to injury.

College

Name	Team	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM
Derek Grant	Michigan State University (CCHA)	36	8	24	32	+2	40
Louie Caporusso	Michigan (CCHA)	35	9	17	26	+16	20
Chris Wideman	Miami University (Ohio) (CCHA)	34	2	18	20	+7	30
Bryce Aneloski	Nebraska-Omaha (CCHA)	34	2	14	16	+12	14
Jeff Costello	Notre Dame (CCHA)	36	9	4	13	-5	50
Mark Borowiecki	Clarkson University (ECAC)	29	3	9	12	-5	65
Michael Sdao	Princeton University (ECAC)	24	2	6	8	-3	59
Ben Blood	North Dakota (WCHA)	35	1	6	7	+20	44
Brad Peltz	Yale University (ECAC)	x	x	x	x	x	x

Derek Grant is first in Michigan State scoring and in Michigan State assists. Louie Caporusso is second in Michigan scoring. Chris Wideman is first in Miami defensemen in scoring, sixth overall. Bryce Aneloski is second in Nebraska-Omaha defense in scoring. Jeff Costello leads Norte Dame with six power-play goals. Mark Borowiecki is first among Golden Knights’ defencemen in scoring and second in ECAC penalty minutes. Michael Sdao leads Princeton in PIMs and tied for fourth in the ECAC. Ben Blood leads North Dakota in plus-minus.

My Top Ten

Name	League	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM
1. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins	Red Deer Rebels (WHL)	61	20	67	87	+21	43
2. Adam Larsson	Skelleftea HC (SEL)	34	1	8	9	+14	39
3. Gabriel Landeskog	Kitchener Rangers (OHL)	44	32	28	60	+31	53
4. Sean Couturier	Drummondville Voltigeurs (QMJHL)	51	34	54	88	+46	29
5. Ryan Murphy	Kitchener Rangers (OHL)	58	24	51	75	+23	34
6. Duncan Siemens	Saskatoon Blades (WHL)	63	5	32	37	+37	102
7. Ryan Strome	Niagara IceDogs (OHL)	56	28	64	92	+29	74
8. Joel Armia	Assat Pori (SM-liiga)	46	18	9	27	+7	22
8. Jonathan Huberdeau	Saint John Sea Dogs (QMHL)	59	36	55	91	+54	76
10. Matt Puempel	Peterborough Petes (OHL)	55	34	35	69	-33	49

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Great write up.

Thanks as always!

We need a top 20.. hahah to see what we could possibly get with both 1st round draft picks!

by Los Blancos Chicca on Mar 2, 2011 8:38 AM EST reply actions

I'll have a top 60 come the end of the season

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by Alexander Calloway on Mar 2, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions

Damn!

Man, where do you find the time? Do you actually watch all these guys play?

by DW19 on Mar 2, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions

Yeah, seriously

What do you use to base your prospect rankings, Crooklyn?

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by Peter Raaymakers on Mar 2, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions

Well the top 10 right now is based off talent

I think Ryan Nugent-Hopkins has the highest ceiling of all players in the draft.

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by Alexander Calloway on Mar 2, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions

How do you come up with your talent assessments, though?

Do you watch the guys, or mostly base it off what other scouts and analysts report? Just curious. Either one is still really amazing.

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by Peter Raaymakers on Mar 2, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions

I've seen some games

Mostly WHL games, but most of it is from reports, mostly the QMJHL players.

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by Alexander Calloway on Mar 2, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions

So then...

Have you seen Larsson play at all? How do you justify ranking one player above another if you haven’t seen them for an equal amount of time?

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by Mark Parisi on Mar 2, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions

yeah - attach some confidence intervals to those rankings!

buck it up, slacker!

by west-sider on Mar 2, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions

Stop picking on him!

Trying to be Erik Karlsson's agent since October, 2010.

by Adnan on Mar 2, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions

Worry about your own game, Eruzione.

Plenty there to keep you busy!

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by Mark Parisi on Mar 2, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions

What game?

And what does Eruzione mean?

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by Adnan on Mar 2, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions

What does Eruzione mean?!!?!

Adnan, you are banned from posting until you watch Miracle. I’m flabbergasted. Do you… like hockey? Do you know you’re on a hockey blog right now?

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by Mark Parisi on Mar 2, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions

Why would I want to watch a movie when the Americans win?

Except Might Ducks of course. Everyone likes Mighty Ducks. Freaking Iceland.

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by Adnan on Mar 2, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions

I don't know how to answer this

You know it’s not Canada they beat in that tournament, right?

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by Mark Parisi on Mar 2, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions

That was a joke

But yes I would cheer for the Russians in Russia/USA. Or the Soviets I guess.

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by Adnan on Mar 2, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions

It's a good movie

Definitely worth watching.

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by Peter Raaymakers on Mar 2, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions

I have seen Larsson play once

Granted I watching Rundblad more, and it was in Swedish. But from what I read about RNH, everyone seems to agree that he has the highest ceiling, but Larsson is the better player. I guess I can justify that RNH is number one because brings more to the table than Larsson.

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by Alexander Calloway on Mar 2, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions

That's awesome! Good to know. I love this site!

by Los Blancos Chicca on Mar 2, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions

indeed - great work!

and you managed to squeeze Huberdeau into your top 10 – well done!

Heard that Murray and co. were in attendance at a Sea Dogs game last week. Any idea who specifically they were watching? Could be that Huberdeau’s line-mate Zach Phillips is a 2nd round pick up candidate. Nathan Beaulieu and Thomas Jurco are possible 2nd rounders as well.

by west-sider on Mar 2, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions

Probably everyone

I think when scouts go to games they’re looking at one guy in particular, but watching everyone. You’ve got to keep notes on just about any draft-eligible player, I think.

Maybe they’re hoping for Huberdeau with the Nashville pick, and Phillips with a second-rounder?

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by Peter Raaymakers on Mar 2, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions

Thanks Crooklyn

I hear a lot about the “big 4” in this draft (Larsson, RNH, Couturier, Lando). How big a drop is there between picks 4 and 5 in terms of talent? What are people’s opionions? What are we hearing from scouts? Thanks to anyone who has info on this.

by DW19 on Mar 2, 2011 8:52 AM EST reply actions

The drop isn't that huge

There’s talent there, but few players could go under the radar thanks to bad seasons in the CHL.

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by Alexander Calloway on Mar 2, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions

Go Magic Number Seven!

47 points in 52 games in probably the third best hockey league in the world…that rarely gives second assists.

I wonder what is a realistic point total for him next season? Karlsson got 25ish in 60ish games last year.

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by Adnan on Mar 2, 2011 8:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions

30 points shouldn't be that off

He should do better than Mike Green in his rookie year.

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by Alexander Calloway on Mar 2, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions

Depends on PP time

If Gonchar and Kuba back next year then you would probably have Gonchar-Karlsson on the 1st PP unit and Kuba-Rundblad on the 2nd. That might limit Rundblad’s offensive stats a bit, along with any time he spends in the minors aclimatizing to the North American game.

by DW19 on Mar 2, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions

Maybe

I’d like to think Gonchar and Karlsson will be split up, to be honest; they’re both better on the right side on the powerplay.

Gonchar-Rundblad and Kuba-Karlsson might work. You’ve got a shooter (Gonchar and Karlsson) on each pairing.

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by Peter Raaymakers on Mar 2, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah, I was going more by reputation and familiarity than by compatibility. What you are saying makes sense.

by DW19 on Mar 2, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions

Glad to see Cowick is making an impression

I really liked him as a 67’s had some good numbers and you know he’s going to play hard being a Brian Kilrea player. Let’s see if a couple of years does not give the Sens a good third line guy.

by Hockey Playoff Run SensFan on Mar 2, 2011 12:10 PM EST reply actions

And now he's back to the ECHL

So weird. Right after Cowick starts playing well!

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by Peter Raaymakers on Mar 2, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions

Wel lthe Jackals have started to get on a roll too

But that could just be the dead cat bounce you get when fire your coach.

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by Alexander Calloway on Mar 2, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions

Hopefully it's a move towards the future

I’m sure they have their reasons. With everything that’s going to happen at the draft he may just make the BSens next season and hopefully be a call-up. Like I said there is no questioning the work ethic of Kilrea’s kids, also he’s from Ottawa

by Hockey Playoff Run SensFan on Mar 2, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions

Dead cat bounce!

That`s hilarious. Is that a saying?

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by Peter Raaymakers on Mar 2, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions

It is in Baseball

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by Alexander Calloway on Mar 2, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions

weren't you watching Trade Deadline Day?

Craig “MacT” Mactavish gave one of the all time worst, most drawn out explanations of any cliche talking about the “Dead Cat Bounce” – i can’t even remember what it was in reference to. I just remember thinking that The Gong Show hook should be coming out any minute now…

by west-sider on Mar 2, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions

Murray says the draft pick will start next season

Guess that means no Larsson.

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by Alexander Calloway on Mar 2, 2011 12:20 PM EST reply actions

what i've been hearing/reading

and the comparison that comes up most often is that larsson is more developed than victor hedman was when he came in as a rookie and will definitely be able to step in at the nhl level.. but i think we’re clearly going to be going for an offensive dynamo.. i’m curious as to why RNH is 1st and Coutourier is 4th when SC has more points in 10 less games and double the + in +/-… i’m looking at stats of course, being that i mostly only saw him play in the WJC…

by Caden on Mar 2, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions

I don't watch any junior hockey at all

But…my perception was that WHL has a much tougher defence and QMJHL is more high scoring.

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by Adnan on Mar 2, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions

RNH has the higher ceiling

But I agree with Adnan that the QMJHL is the weaker of the three leagues.

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by Alexander Calloway on Mar 2, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions

I don't agree that RNH has the higher ceiling

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by Mark Parisi on Mar 2, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions

Hypothetical

Let’s say 5 years from now, when both have developed, there is a game situation where RNH is entering the offensive zone one-on-one against Larsson. Who wins this duel?

I realize one-on-ones are not everything, but if we are talking talent can one score consistently on the othe? Can one shut the other down consistently? How do you even compare a top end d-man vs. a top end forward? PP points?

by DW19 on Mar 2, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions

I really don't know

I would love to talk with someone from Central Scouting and hear how they do it. I mean, I’m sure that within reason it makes sense. You can watch film on someone like Tommy Davis and say “He doesn’t show the speed or agility to keep up with NHL players” because you know what kind of skill NHL players have.

But top prospects? My best guess is how ready they are to play in the league upon being drafted… how quickly their existing skills will translate?

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by Mark Parisi on Mar 2, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions

The best forward is usually more valuable than the best defenceman

Even discounting Ovechkin/Crosby, you’d rather have Stamkos than any defenceman in the league.

It’s why you rarely seen a defenceman making $6-7 million.

Of course…Larsson may be a high end d-man and Nugent-Hopkins might not turn out to be a top end forward.

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by Adnan on Mar 2, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions

Disagree

“The best forward is usually more valuable than the best defenceman”

I don’t think I can agree with that.

Why have the Red Wings been a perennial power all these years? The top scoring forwards have come and gone(Yzerman, Shanahan, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, etc…), but Niclas Lidstrom has been a constant.

There are plenty of other examples, Chris Pronger(as much as I hate that guy) seems to frequently be in the finals regardless of what team he is on (Oilers ’03, Ducks ’07, Flyers ’10). The Lightning sucked for the past few years despite having St. Louis and Lecavalier, but now that Hedman is developing they are contenders again. The Oilers currently suck despite having a bunch of good young forwards.

Who was better Gretzky or Orr? It’s impossible to say. Gretzky obviously wins statistically, but if Orr’s knees had held out who knows how much he might have scored and how many cups he might have accumulated.

Who was more responsible for the Canadiens winning all those cups in the 70’s Robinson/Savard or Lafleur/Lemaire? Was Bryan Trottier more important to the Islanders in the 80s than Denis Potvin?

Anyway, that’s enough of that. Your opinion is perfectly reasonable. I just disagree with it.

by DW19 on Mar 2, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions

I'll say one thing about Gretzky vs Orr

I talk to people my age and older that remember that era and Gretzky would not have lasted a season. You had to be tough and be able to look after yourself and there are plenty of videos and written material about Orr fighting and trowing hard hits and taking some as well. He was my favorite growing up because he did it all and did not depend on Bruin goons to defend him or look after him. Gretzky always had a body guard, was not physical and fought once maybe. He did have a great wrist shot though, could score from anywhere.

by Hockey Playoff Run SensFan on Mar 2, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions

not to quibble on the little things but

I highly doubt that Hedman’s development is a key factor in Tampa Bay’s success this year. Their goal differential as a team is +1 and Hedman on the season is +1.

As far as Detroit is concerned, that’s a pretty sweet rotating roster of “top scoring forwards”. Their organisational depth up front has been pretty admirable over the years. Also, most of those guys would be top flight offensive performers whether they were on a team with Lidstrom or not.

You can’t take all those d-men out of context and finger them as the key reason why those teams succeeded.

However, i’m not saying i agree with Adnan either. I think the cards are stacked in forwards favour vis-a-vis stats and their ultimate pay-day. Heck, if you really want to throw this whole discussion off the rails, I might argue that your starting goalies should be the highest paid players on their respective teams.

by west-sider on Mar 2, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions

I agree that a top goalie makes a huge difference. I guess you could argue Gretzky vs. Orr vs. Brodeur and Brodeur could make a pretty good case. He was far and away the best player on his team when they won the cup and if you replace him with someone else they wouldn’t have won. When Gretzky left the Oilers and Messier took over the primary scoring role they still won another Cup. When Roy left the Canadiens they barely made the playoffs for years and have never got anywhere near the Cup ever since(last year with great goaltending from Halak is probably the closest).

Regarding Detroit, their forwards were no better than the Avalanche, but they won more Cups(despite the Avalanche having Roy). What accounts for the difference? Well who did the Avalanche have on defense that can hold a candle to Lidstrom? Ozolinsh? Foote?

by DW19 on Mar 2, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions

And then there's Chicago

Chicago was all offense on their back end and they went all the the way and won it with OK goaltending. Winning the cup comes down to work ethic, determination and a great system and Detroit has that. They also have great puck possession forwards. they are the most difficult team to get the puck away from. They have great vision as a group and support each other very well. Chicago had it all come together with four good lines that were torn apart in the summer. It’s taken the better part of the season for them to finally get it together. As for Brodeur he was the best goalie for that team, his puck handling skills were a big part of his success so much so that he is the cause of the trapezoid.

by Hockey Playoff Run SensFan on Mar 2, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions

Chicago also had

Duncan Keith and Brent Seabrook on the blue-line.

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by Alexander Calloway on Mar 3, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions

+1

I don’t think Chicago disproves anything. Why did they win the Cup and Washington(equally good forwards) gone home early the past couple of years? Neither has good goaltending, but Chicago has Keith and Seabrook on the blueline and Washington only has Mike Green, who is practically a forward, and a bunch of so-so guys.

by DW19 on Mar 3, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions

Weaker or not, convention states that the Q is more wide open

thus higher scoring.

by west-sider on Mar 2, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions

He also said

that if he did draft Larsson we’d have the best D group in the league. I kinda think he WANTS/PREFERS Larsson but is pressured to pick a forward which either Landeskog or RNH should do well in…

by SensDew19 on Mar 2, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions

Oh great, it's you!

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by Alexander Calloway on Mar 2, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions

Nashville pick

Is Puemel’s injury severe enough that you think he could fall to our second pick? If not, who do you like around 17-20 right now? I think Rattie wouldn’t be bad at that spot.

by ojc on Mar 2, 2011 3:12 PM EST reply actions

I doubt an injury would make Puempel would fall that far

Brett Connolly was supposed to plummet with his hip injury and he was selected sixth overall. Jared Cowen was considered by many to be a top-5 selection before tearing his ACL and he only fell to ninth.

You never know, though.

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by Mark Parisi on Mar 2, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions

Can we stop drafting/trading for injured players already?

i know it seems to work out sometimes but – yeesh – it sure seems to be an organisational habit.

by west-sider on Mar 2, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions

There are few players who have not dealt with injury in this league

I know it sounds like Ottawa does it all the time but as an example Havlat did have some good years after he left Ottawa with few injuries like what he had here.

by Hockey Playoff Run SensFan on Mar 2, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions

I don't think Puempel's is that bad

He didn’t pull an Emery and rip all the muscles off, I think he’s just got a bone chip that caused some fluid buildup. May not even require surgery.

by Smiles on Mar 3, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions

Don’t be shocked if Ryan Murphy falls into Ottawa’s laps between #17-20. I’m pretty sure that scouts and manager value size over talent, especially on the blueline.

by Acer9 on Mar 2, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions

I would like that

Would be pretty funny if Ottawa drafts Larsson and uses both first round picks on defensemen.

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by Alexander Calloway on Mar 2, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions

I would strangle whoever the GM is.

by ojc on Mar 2, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions

It could be Crooklyn!

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by Adnan on Mar 2, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions

Yes

Yes it could

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by Alexander Calloway on Mar 2, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions

Will you hold Erik's struggles against him?

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by Adnan on Mar 2, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions

You know it

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by Alexander Calloway on Mar 2, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions

5 years 18 million?

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by Adnan on Mar 2, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions

Make it 20 and it's a deal

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by Alexander Calloway on Mar 3, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions

Years or million?

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by Adnan on Mar 3, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions

Mil

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by Alexander Calloway on Mar 3, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions

No way

Unless he has an amazing year next season, most he’ll get is three years, $7.5M.

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by Peter Raaymakers on Mar 3, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions

That's insane

If we don’t offer him 3 million/season, someone will offer sheet him that and we will get a 2nd round pick for him.

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by Adnan on Mar 3, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions

Oh you guys are talking about Karlsson

I thought you were doing my deal. I wouldn’t offer anything to Karlsson until his contract is up.

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by Alexander Calloway on Mar 3, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions

A scout from Central Scouting stated that Puempel’s injury shouldn’t make him fall, as he’s played so many games this season already that everyone knows exactly what they’d be getting. If he’d been hurt ten games in, then I’d say it would be a definate possibility. Also, McKenzie’s got him sitting around 18 anyways, so you never know, we could get him. If we get him and RNH our future second line is pretty much good to go. Here’s the link on his injury:
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2011/02/28/scouts-despite-hit-puempel-remains-prospect/

by Smiles on Mar 3, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions