Chris Phillips to re-sign with Ottawa
According to Bruce Garrioch, Chris Phillips has agreed to a 3-year deal worth approximately $9M, a cap hit of around $3M per season. That's a paycut of $500,000 a season.
UPDATE: According to Bob McKenzie at TSN, the deal is worth $2.95M per year $9.25M total. It includes the Supersized Murray Special: a No-Movement Clause.
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Apparently 9.25 million now...so 3.08 a season
Barely a pay cut at all.
Trying to be Erik Karlsson's agent since October, 2010.
*sigh*
God damn it Murray, 3 years really? The money is high enough, but 3 frakking years? And no trade clause to boot. Well done Murray, well done.
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He's earned his no trade clause, dude
Why would he go from a contract that had one to a contract that didn’t? He wants to stay here; what’s the point of signing a multiple year deal and then getting shipped out at next year’s deadline?
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by Mark Parisi on Feb 27, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Because he sucked a giant ball of sucking this season
And didn’t deserve one.
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He may have sucked this season, but he earned his NTC in my opinion
What he doesn’t deserve is that much money, though I guess we can afford it. The guy is going to play one thousand games in a Sens jersey, which puts him in the same company as one other man. He’s earned a say in where he plays.
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by Mark Parisi on Feb 27, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Well I know he was going to get one
I am still not happy about it. I just don’t see how you could possibly justify giving him a no trade clause.
Yes, this season could be a blip and he might be good again next year. But let’s say he continues down this both, and next season we have him at -25 again and 5 points, with 2 years left at over $3 million/season…and a no trade clause to boot. He could be tougher to trade than Kuba in a year or two.
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i'm less pissed with the NTC (except i wanted him GONE)
but the money really rots my socks. it’s barely a dip from his current – especially on the heels of this season within which he’s been terrible.
Yeah, based on his play this year I think we overpaid
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by Mark Parisi on Feb 27, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
guys,
the NHLPA does not want a 32 year old taking more than a 500 000 dollar PER YEAR cut because of one rough season, especially when the guy has given what he has to this team. Thats awful precedent. There are external pressures here.
http://ottawasconsensus.blogspot.com/
Could have let him walk
I see your point, but the NHLPA can’t pressure a team into signing someone to a new contract.
by Sens Fan In NYC on Feb 27, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
for sure could have let him walk
and Im not saying NHLPA pressures the team, they pressure the player to not agree to too big of a pay cut.
http://ottawasconsensus.blogspot.com/
i'm also pissed that Fincher didn't get the Director Oscar
Totally unrelated but another injustice perpetrated in the last few minutes.
Ok, but
He may have earned it, but if he wanted to stay he had to understand this is a team that needs flexibility going forward. If he can’t take it then he should take his trade or walk for nothing in the offseason. Now we have kuba, gonchar and phillips in there next year, and two of them for more. I think we could have found better value elsewhere
O Magnus....
by Irish_Human on Feb 27, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're jumping the gun a little bit
We don’t know that we’re stuck with Kuba or Gonchar until tomorrow afternoon, and we don’t know if there’s better value elsewhere because we don’t know who the UFA defensemen are yet. Lidstrom is poised to become a free agent this offseason… think that’ll happen?
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by Mark Parisi on Feb 27, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
All that is true
However I really do not see a market for Kuba or Gonchar materializing. They have both been brutal and are signed beyond this season. My anger is based on the fact that I really can’t see those contracts getting moved.
Elsewhere included our prospects and the BSens; not implying those players are better than Philly, but that giving someone else the roster spot would have been healthier for the rebuild – at least at that money with a NTC
O Magnus....
by Irish_Human on Feb 27, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
I agree it's unlikely
But just because you don’t see a market doesn’t mean there isn’t one… unless you’ve talked to the other 29 GMs?
I’m just suggesting saving that anger until we know what the roster looks like for sure.
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by Mark Parisi on Feb 27, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
well - i sure hope this means he has something in the can for Kuba or Gonchar
cause having those three on our back-end with that money (and seemingly inevitable dparture of Campoli now – sigh!)…
My guess is they expect Rundblad to make a run at a roster spot and figure Cowen will end up in AHL. Lee/Carkner will fight it out for 6/7th.
head scratcher, for realz.
i have no idea how this makes any kind of sense. None of it, frankly.
Can someone explain?
I'm doing my happy dance
Now I can proceed with my plan to pick up a #4 jersey
by Johnny_Spectacular on Feb 27, 2011 11:02 PM EST reply actions
Come on
How can this d-core rebuild properly now? As far as I see it, this must mean the end for brian lee and chris campoli. Too many others under contract that we can’t move. Ridiculous.
O Magnus....
Unbelievable
Just an absolutely terrible signing. Lost for words. All the good work done by Murray lately has been tarnished. How can you justify $3 million for three years for a 4th or 5th defenceman on a rebuilding team?
by Sens Fan In NYC on Feb 27, 2011 11:02 PM EST reply actions
I don't get it
Did we lose Nashville’s first round pick because of this signing? Can we not afford Craig Anderson now?
How does this tarnish the other moves, exactly?
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by Mark Parisi on Feb 27, 2011 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Because this was a terrible move
Therefore it offsets the good from the other move. Sure, we have lots of cap room, but that doesn’t justify overpaying a guy. It limits the moves we can make in terms of picking off guys others can’t afford.
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Well, I'm not buying that it offsets the good from the other moves without some better proof than "It's terrible!"
1) It doesn’t affect our draft picks at all, so no offsetting there.
2) The team is almost certainly not spending to the cap next year.
3) Who exactly can we not afford with $18M in cap space?
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by Mark Parisi on Feb 27, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Well...
1) We could have had another draft pick. At the time, I said the Chris Kelly deal doesn’t make sense unless you try and combine that 2nd rounder with Phillips for a 1st rounder.
2) It’s a 3 year deal, not a 1 year deal. We could be spending to the cap in 2 or 3 years.
3) It just limits our options, we can do $3 million less of creativity over the next 3 years
4) It takes away a roster spot from a young player. I can’t see both Rundblad and Cowen playing a full season now. Would have been nice to get them experience.
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Eh... not buying what you're selling
Everything you’ve got there is supposition. The league is so unpredictable that worrying about what “could be” in three years is pretty silly unless you’re Miss Cleo.
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by Mark Parisi on Feb 27, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Well it's pretty silly to not consider the future when signing deals
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How is this a handcuff?
Please tell me specifically what Ottawa’s roster and cap situation looks like in the third year of this deal, and who specifically this contract will be keeping the team from signing at that point in time.
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by Mark Parisi on Feb 27, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
I can't tell you..
.. but neither can anyone. Maybe Karlsson has a Norris trophy year and we want to extend him long-term. Maybe Cowen jumps in and has a Calder year. Maybe Svatos resigns a 1-year deal and scores 40 goals. Why wouldn’t you want flexibility going forward? Sure we have lots of flexibility with a huge amount of cap space — that’s great. And it’s a fine line between having that flexibility and locking in guys that are cornerstones or that you really need in a rebuild. But Phillips is not that guy.
by Sens Fan In NYC on Feb 27, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
over 1000 games (including some EXCELLENT playoff series')
says differently
http://ottawasconsensus.blogspot.com/
Well, if you can't tell me, then how can you possibly claim the deal has handcuffed the team?
You don’t know how this deal affects the team’s flexibility. I don’t either. No one does. So it’s nonsense to claim that it hinders the team in any way.
If this deal keeps the team from making a move in the future, that will be the time for criticism. Criticism over an unknowable future is just plain irrational.
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by Mark Parisi on Feb 28, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
I actually disagree with you here, Mark, but I’m kind of tired so I won’t explain why.
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Email me tomorrow
I’m interested
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by Mark Parisi on Feb 28, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
Within reason, I agree
But you’re dangerously close to arguing that no team should ever sign anyone because they’ll never know how what their budget in the future might be.
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by Mark Parisi on Feb 27, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Im with you Mark
we may be spending to the cap in 3 years, but in three years, the structure of the CBA could be changed, and renegotiating contracts may exist.
not likely, but I guess the point is, predicting accurately 3 years down the road and saying this 3 million is going to handcuff us is pretty tough to do.
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It doesn't
It just makes me believe that BM, while he has done some great things the last few weeks, is still the same guy who gives out bad contracts and no-trades that were the hallmark of this team. A no-trade should not be on the table in a rebuild. Period.
O Magnus....
by Irish_Human on Feb 27, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah that's what I meant
Sorry, I replied below but did it in a new thread instead of actually replying.
by Sens Fan In NYC on Feb 27, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
That's fair
I don’t think he’s going to be in charge of Senate Reform once the season is over, though.
Would you be as upset if this contract were given to Anderson?
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by Mark Parisi on Feb 27, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
No
But Anderson has the ability to change the outcome of games directly on his own (keeping Ottawa in it last night in Philly). That player is worth the money and needed until Lehner is ready. Comparing the importance of Anderson (or an equally talented goaltender) and Phillips is apples and oranges.
O Magnus....
by Irish_Human on Feb 27, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
At this point, yes
I would be upset. If he plays like he has for the rest of the year, the same contract to Anderson would be OK — a goaltender is hugely important whereas Phillips, God love him, is currently a 4th or 5th defenceman. I hope he rebounds from a terrible year, but I’m not optimistic about that.
by Sens Fan In NYC on Feb 27, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Not comparing Phillips and Anderson
Like you said, apples and oranges there. Just curious what the contract anger threshold is for you..
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by Mark Parisi on Feb 27, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
I like to think it's a pretty high line
I just thought that with a rebuild going he would be moved on. His contract was expiring and the fact that the core of this team is being gutted led me to believe this was not the kind of contract being given out in Ottawa any more. And I don’t think it will be in the future. I’m just pissed at BM, as this is a reflection of all the other contracts he has given out.
I’m not mad at Phillips, with the right partner next year he could be better. I just don’t understand the length of the deal or the NTC. It just seems like another BM fav getting the good deal. I’m defeated, and I hope he won’t be in charge of Senate reform, other than the drafting.
O Magnus....
by Irish_Human on Feb 27, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Not directly
I didn’t mean that it directly affects the other moves. They were and are good moves. But my overall impression of Murray just took a hit because I think it’s a terrible signing. (Or I could be overreacting in the immediate aftermath…)
by Sens Fan In NYC on Feb 27, 2011 11:08 PM EST reply actions
Quite Frankly
if ANYONE here thinks Chris Phillips wouldnt have gotten this on the open market, they should think again. Its not like the guy is 38, he’s 32, and is a cornerstone of the franchise. he took a 500 000 dollar paycut. that’s not pennies folks, even to people making millions.
Going forward, we have TONNES of cap space, and our rookies are all going to be on entry level deals, so to be honest, to make this signing isnt such a big deal. We needed to keep some leadership around, and rather than lose him for nothing, we gave him a contract.
People (on this site) were willing to give anton volchenkov, someone only 4 years younger than phillips TWICE this term at nearly TWICE the amount per year, and volchenkov is worse with the puck, and has a much higher risk of injury.
This is a great signing, good for Bryan Murray, he continues to impress me.
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Anton is a much better player than Phillips
The numbers show it this year. Phillips has suffered without him, Anton…not so much.
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Which numbers?
Anton’s been terrible this year
Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.
+/-
Plus minus isn’t everything but Anton has been a plus every month this season except December when he was -12. He is +2 overall for the season.
Chris Phillips hasn’t had a single month where he has been a plus.
And before you say Ottawa is worse than New Jersey…New Jersey was well behind Ottawa for most of the season.
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So just based on plus/minus Volchenkov is better?
Maybe slightly, but to say he’s much better is exagerating I think
Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.
That's not a slight difference - that is massive
That just doesn’t happen coincidentally.
Plus Anton gives bone crushing hits, I don’t really recall Phillips doing that too often. There is a fear factor with Anton that isn’t present with Phillips.
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You yourself just said plus/minus isn't everything
So how much should we really be reading into it
Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.
A difference of 27 is pretty significant though
And it is more significant for defensive defencemen.
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Anton was injured when New Jersey was at its worst. Phillips was playing and paired with Karlsson.
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Karlsson's game totally sank when he was paired with Phillips
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he's not paired with him now,
and he’s arguably playing his worst hockey of the season.
Brian Lee however continues to be praised all over the place. and he is currently playing with Phillips.
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Fair enough
But Karlsson has played 4-5 games with Phillips. I am not blaming Phillips for everything, but I just can’t help but wonder what all those goals against did to Erik’s confidence.
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Karlsson has thick skin
I’ve never seen him waver in his style all season whether goals were his fault or not. The guy is a machine
by Hockey Playoff Run SensFan on Feb 27, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
but not twice the player?
not to mention antons 0 goals and 6 assists arent exactly blowing people away this year. I know thats not his game, but its tough to pay that much for that kind of production.
but more of a point I think, is that since 2006, Phillips has missed 1 game. One. this is just safer money than the money that Sens fans were willing to throw at A-Train (who has averaged 65ish games per year over the same time period)
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alright, dude - get real
i’ll give you the point about the PTS and games missed but what made Volchenkov valuable to ANY team was his hits and shot-blocks. which he frequently led the league in. the only thing Phillips comes close to leading the league in this year is goals on his own net off his skates/stick.
potential longevity in the game is a total projection. Anton isn’t human so human rules don’t apply
I agree.
but does Anton lead the league in those categories this year? (honest question, I really dont know) I wasnt under the impression that he is.
does that mean he’s terrible? no, but to compare volchenkovs past achievements and to compare them to phillips’ present (while ignoring his past) seems to skew this discussion a little.
http://ottawasconsensus.blogspot.com/
you were talking points and Volchenkov
and that’s never been why he’s been valued. And frankly, i think Phillips high has been 30-35 pts, which is not putting his any offensive d-man category.
btw, i don’t know his hits/blocked shot stats for this year. can’t find ’em.
I valued Volchenkov
I just dont think signing him to 6 years at 4.25 would have been a good idea at all. and I guess I just dont understand why people would have been ok with that, but are so upset with a deal that is have the term and a million and a quarter less.
http://ottawasconsensus.blogspot.com/
Agree with that
I’m glad Ottawa didn’t try to outbid NJ.
by Sens Fan In NYC on Feb 27, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Volchenkov cashed in
He went after the money and his agent obviously convinced him that he could get it and he ended up with what he really wanted a lot of money and term, is he worth that nooooo he has already missed this year due to injury and he will always miss games due to injury where he will take longer to return due to age
by Hockey Playoff Run SensFan on Feb 27, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
Just for reference
volchenkov has 85 blocked shots (around 90th in the league for d-men). the NHL leader (Dan Girardi) has 176. (Phillips has 114 for 25th in the league)
He also has 108 hits (36th in the league for d-men) phillips is 53rd with 92. NHL leader (for D-men) is Luke Schenn 194(!)
All I’m saying is, they aren’t so difference, but had we signed Volchy, BMurr woulda been a hero at the time, and now probably would be hated on a little bit.
anyways, west-sider, I thank you for the excellent discussion, it was fun!
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because I dont agree with your opinion?
http://ottawasconsensus.blogspot.com/
fair enough
just thought a strong opinion on the other side might provide some discussion, as much of the discussion was going the other way. obviously i’d love it if we could have signed him to a two year deal that payed him 2 million per, but I just dont see that as realistic,
and I dont think anyone here could point to any precedent anywhere in the league where a 32 year old lifetime player and recognized leader (who has had a GREAT career, with one tough year) took a million and a half discount on an extension. it just doesnt happen.
So I just didnt think it was fair to get all up in arms with Murray for not being able to do something that really no GM is able to do, you know?
http://ottawasconsensus.blogspot.com/
based on this year though
i would have liked to think a shorter expension made more sense to allow him to prove he’s not on the decline. Also keeps in mind our D-depth coming up.
So if Pascal Leclaire signed for 3 years $7.5 million
He took an even bigger paycut. Would that be a great deal? Based on Phillips play this season, he deserved a much, much bigger pay cut.
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You are comparing pascal leclaire to chris phillips?
http://ottawasconsensus.blogspot.com/
No I am saying that when you have a ridiculously bad year
Or in Pascal’s case a year where you don’t play, you can’t expect to be more or less around the same salary.
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except pascal has been heading downhill since the day he signed that contract
not just this year has he had injuries. thats why he’d have to take a huge paycut. not just because of this one year.
http://ottawasconsensus.blogspot.com/
But Phillips has had one bad year on his contract
versus a number of good years where his $3.5M contract looked like a great deal.
Pascal has never played up to his contract. There’s a difference. There’s also a difference when you’re one half of a defensive pairing and the other half is Erik Karlsson or Sergei Gonchar
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Just because Phillips would have gotten more on the open market doesn't make it a good signing for Ottawa
All the cap-space in the world doesn’t matter if we have too many defenceman under contract going forward, which is how things are shaping up unless Murray unloads one or two tomorrow. I can only hope.
Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.
I don't feel it's great
I don’t like the idea of overpaying just because we can afford to, but it’s not a catastrophe to keep a lifetime player.
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by Mark Parisi on Feb 27, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
Murray’s painted himself into a corner now with all these D-men, I don’t see what choice he has but to get creative tomorrow
Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.
Yeah
Either he’s not as confident in Cowen and Rundblad as he says or we’re going to be giving guys away for a pittance.
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by Mark Parisi on Feb 27, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
i would guess that Cowen spends a year in the AHL
i think it would be good for him and i think this year has shown it’s worth giving him time to develop.
Seems like a plausible scenario to me
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by Mark Parisi on Feb 27, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think we'll see him try to give Kuba away,
and if there are no takers, I think we’ll see a buy-out in the summer.
http://ottawasconsensus.blogspot.com/
I don't know that there's any appetite among management and ownership for another buy-out
Its only one more year and the team is going to be bad anyways, why drag a bad situation out past 2012
Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.
Agreed
But is there a market for Kuba either? Barring the last couple of games he has been a pylon.
O Magnus....
by Irish_Human on Feb 27, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
No, I don't think there's any market for Kuba
But then again I don’t think its one or the other, trade him or buy him out. He’s going to be on the roster next year.
Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.
He IS a slow healer
It’s possible he might just be getting his strength back between last year’s back surgery and this year’s broken leg. Those didn’t leave a lot of time for conditioning.
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by Mark Parisi on Feb 27, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
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by Mark Parisi on Feb 27, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
I hope not
I’d rather not buy out the last year of a contract. I would rather take our lumps, hope Kuba improves, and try to trade him at the deadline as a rental.
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by Mark Parisi on Feb 27, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
If he doesn't move tomorrow
I think that’s the only option left. We should get something for him at some point.
O Magnus....
by Irish_Human on Feb 27, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
OMG WE ARE PAYING HIM MORE PER GOAL THAN KOVALEV
WHERE’S MY PITCHFORK
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Yeah, but unlike Crosby, he actually has a goal in 2011
D+
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by Ryan Classic on Feb 27, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
So apparently he only has a limited no-trade clause for year 3
We can trade him for a 5th rounder in 2014 trade deadline when he is playing 12 minutes a night!
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Well then
That just makes it all better. My opinion has completely changed… seriously hope Kuba moves tomorrow
O Magnus....
by Irish_Human on Feb 27, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Relax people geez
I wanted him gone also but I have to think something is afoot with BM. Phillips as a lifetime Senator does not bother me. Maybe he plays with Cowen next season, he seems to thrive with the right partner. Cowen is like the next Chara for this team. As for the money it’s not ours to spend and obviously Melnyk approved of the deal. Let this play out. most defenseman need a year in the minors and with so many young ones they may need the time. There is a lot of salary cap room. He may still be traded, this contract may have been the request of another team, who knows, tomorrow should be a fun day
by Hockey Playoff Run SensFan on Feb 27, 2011 11:42 PM EST reply actions
Full post:
http://www.silversevensens.com/2011/2/27/2015922/phillips-signs-extension
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