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A call for decency when discussing Chris Phillips' future

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"I do (want to be part of the rebuild) and I know people will call me crazy for saying that," said Phillips, drafted No. 1 overall in 1996 by the Senators. "I think you need some veteran guys that have been around to help and guide young guys coming in.

"I’m OK and would take on that responsibility, along with a couple of guys who have been here for a long time. It’s not the easiest thing to do and there could be some growing pains with that, but that is a possibility and if that ends up happening, then you make the most of any situation."

-Chris Phillips, as quoted in the Ottawa Sun, about the possibility of being traded by the Ottawa Senators

There aren't many players who bleed the red and black of the Ottawa Senators more than Chris Phillips. A career Senators just 90 games away from becoming the second player to skate in 1,000 career games for the team, and in all of those games, no one in their right mind would complain about the effort level he's put forward (even if some people are complaining about his results this season).

And yet, with rumours circulating that Phillips is planning on excercising the no-trade clause given to him out of respect for the service he's done for the organization, some in the community have turned on him like rabid dogs. That's not just disrespectful; it's downright Leafs fan-like.

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Sens fans don't have to look too far back to see a player who truly screwed over the franchise by excercising a limited movement clause; few of us forget the Dany Heatley debacle. To turn around and condemn a player who'd like to use his no-trade clause because he wants the opportunity to help the franchise turn itself around, well, it seems like a pretty indecent way to treat someone who has given his entire adult life to the organization. He's been rewarded handsomely for it, absolutely, but that doesn't change the fact that this team has benefited greatly from his presence.

A common refrain is the rather ignorant idea that if Phillips really wanted to help the team's rebuild, he should accept the trade to a contender and then re-sign with the Senators in the off-season. Although that would likely be the best situation for the franchise, I say "ignorant" not to be insulting, but I can certainly understand why Phillips might not want to try it. I'd chalk it up to three reasons:

  1. Certainty. Bryan Murray can't tell Phillips he'll re-sign him in the off-season; it borders on tampering, and the league wouldn't stand for that. But even if Murray did make that promise, it seems highly likely that Murray won't be GM on July 1; who's to say that the new GM will honour a promise made by the past one?
  2. Negotiations. Phillips, for professional and family reasons, wants to stay in Ottawa. If he chooses to excercise his no-trade clause, he'll have the rest of this season and the off-season to negotiate with team management about a contract extension. If he accepts a trade, that means he'd have to wait until he officially becomes a free agent on July 1 to begin negotiations with Ottawa. That's a long way off.
  3. Pride. There's a reason you don't often see players traded by one team only to re-sign there in the off-season: Few players like being traded. It's not a nice feeling, especially for a player like Phillips who has a young family who all live in Ottawa and wouldn't likely follow him to his destination team.

Phillips also has personal reasons for wanting to stay. His family is obviously one of them, as is the deep roots he and his wife have set in this community. And given the news of his father's health, it's easy to see why he might want to avoid a massive life upheaval for a month or two of playoff hockey.

Is Chris Phillips having an off year? Absolutely. He's having a downright terrible season. But that doesn't mean he's over the hill; he's still only 32 years old, and if he's given a bit of support so he can fall into a second-pairing rotation, instead of being asked to be a team's go-to guy, you've got to think he'd be able to simplify his game and continue on as a serviceable shutdown defender. That's where he's had his success so far, so you've got to think that's what would make him most successful moving forward. This isn't a Wade Redden situation; With the new rules in the post-lockout NHL, Redden's defence partner wasn't able to slow down oncoming forecheckers to give him the time he needed to make plays, so his shortcomings were exposed. Phillips has never been fast, but he's never relied on his speed to play defence; instead, he uses his size, positioning, and a bit of wisdom to make sure he's in the right place. The problem with this season and last is that he's been charged with quarterbacking the entire team, trying to guide inferior teammates to proper coverage while keeping track of his own. It's safe to conclude now that he is being asked to do too much.

Just about everything you read these days regarding Chris Phillips and a trade is speculation, at this point. We don't even know for sure if he's been asked to waive his NTC, let alone whether or not he's agreed or refused to waive it. So condemning him for not waving a no-trade clause, at this point, seems ridiculous.

When Phillips signed his contract extension a few years ago, the Senators gave him a no-trade clause. It reflected his value to the organization, his respect within the organization, and the work he's done for the organization. Let's respect his wishes, whatever they may be, because at this point, he's earned it.

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Well put.

I think part of the problem is that, aside from Heatley, I can’t really think of a Senator who refused to waive his no trade clause in recent years. It’s almost expected that, once the deal is in place, the player will go along with it – which totally defeats the purpose of the NTC.

As to the uncertainty of re-signing him, that was a big reason why I wanted to see a GM change in January so that there would be less of an issue about it. But I’ve also heard that Melnyk meddles with the GM like nobody’s business, meaning that if he wants Philly back over the summer then he’ll make the new GM make it happen.

But regardless, Philly’s earned some respect, and hopefully fans will keep that in mind when they’re talking about whether or not he’ll let himself get traded.

by AlfieGirl on Feb 18, 2011 7:33 AM EST reply actions  

Wade Redden did

The Senators had a deal in place, but Redden was in the same position as Phillips is right now: He didn’t want to leave town, so he used his NTC to get a bit more time to negotiate with Ottawa. It didn’t work, and he left at the end of the year. That might happen with Phillips, too, but it’s tough to blame the guy for doing what he can to do what’s best for himself. The difference between then and now? Then, the Senators weren’t in an official rebuild.

Also, there could be other instances that haven’t come out through the media.

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by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 18, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess the thing is that people don’t necessarily consider the fact that players don’t like to be traded. It seems like such a win-win to trade Philly now and get something for him, then re-sign him over the summer, but none of that takes into account the fact that Philly has to pack up and move, leaving his family here for a few months.

by AlfieGirl on Feb 18, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

People seem to forget that he’s not just a hockey player, he’s also a human being.

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by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 18, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Despite his poor season...

Phillips has earned the right to stay with this team if he wants to several times over.

by TheGuineaPig on Feb 18, 2011 7:38 AM EST reply actions  

'hometown' discount

if that’s the case, he should be willing to take a cut. It’s still a business in the end though.

by AAZZ on Feb 18, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Pretty much agree with all that

As much as I hate Brian Burke, I do like his policy of not turning the screws on a player that has a no-movement or no-trade clause. A contract is a whole set of compensation: salary, bonus, no-movement. He (and his agent) negotiated a no-movement clause. Presumably (or at I hope), he should have taken less money to get that certainty. It’s OK to ask him if he wants to waive but don’t crucify him if he doesn’t want to. All that being said, when his contract is over, the Sens have to adopt a more business-first approach; if he wants $1.5 million to be a 5th defenceman, OK. If not, unfortunately, it’ll be time to thank him for his huge contribution, and say goodbye.

by Sens Fan In NYC on Feb 18, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

That's just it

Sens’ brass must have an idea of what they think Phillips can do, and probably have an offer they can put forward for that. I think Phillips will probably be able to get more on the open market, though—maybe a lot more (as much as $2M per season more than what we offer)—and if so, can’t blame him for taking it. That’s a lot of noodles.

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by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 18, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Are you referring to cash as “noodles”, or saying that he could buy a lot of noodles with that cash?

Either way, it’s awesome.

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by DarrenM on Feb 18, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

A little bit of both, I think. I hope it catches on.

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by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 18, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

This morning’s papers had a story that Murray is talking to Phillips agent. This is probably exactly the kind of things they are discussing. I am sure that Murray is asking how low a salary Phillips would agree to in order to stay in Ottawa. If Phillips is not interested in taking a hometown discount to stay then it is probably in everyone’s best interest for him to be traded to a contender. If Phillips wants a good contract next year then finishing the year with a -40 on the Senators is a much worse sales pitch than showing off the fact that he can still play at a high level on a contending team in the playoffs.

by DW19 on Feb 18, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I think some people might be upset with this situation because of what happened with Redden. Everyone knew we weren’t going to re-sign him and he wouldn’t waive is no trade clause to help the team out and in the end went on to ‘greener’ pastures. The biggest difference here is I think the team wants and even needs Chris to resign here so the perceived need of getting something for him now instead of letting him walk for nothing is moot.

He earned his NTC and in the end if he exercises that right, who are we to judge. I feel the team would better served with a youth movement but you need to have the steadying influence of some veterans. There’s a fine line and I think that keeping Phillips only helps the team going forward.

My 2 cents for what it’s worth.

by XXXSTAR on Feb 18, 2011 7:44 AM EST reply actions  

I am likely the most anti-Phillips person on this blog

But I don’t begrudge him using his clause. In fact I am even in favour of keeping him this season if a trade involves taking on a bad contract.

What I am worried about, is that if he is not traded, he might get offered an extension. He can be useful as a 2nd pairing defenceman on a good team. On a rebuilding team? Not so much on a rebuilding team.

Someone name me one thing he has done better than Brian Lee this season? I don’t think he is any better. Sure it could be just a down year but his game is so simple, just to sit at home, that I don’t see it coming back…in Ottawa.

He has played with Anton Volchenkov the last 4 years. Maybe Anton’s ridiculous shot blocking made up for some of it. Maybe he is just worse now. But without someone to cover for him, look how Phillips/Karlsson has worked out.

Phllips is closer to Matt Carkner in defensive ability now than he is to Anton Volchenkov.

Sure he is a nice guy and all, but that’s no reason to keep him around.

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by Adnan on Feb 18, 2011 8:21 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Disagree

Volchenkov has had a pretty lacklustre season himself this year without Phillips. I think Phillips and Volchenkov just had great chemistry together and it is hard to re-create that.

I would actually like to keep Phillips for another couple of seasons and pair him with Cowen to form a shutdown partnership. On paper, that combination seems pretty good to me. Phillips would mentor Cowen and pass the torch to him in a couple of years.

by DW19 on Feb 18, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Volchenkov had one bad month - he is +2 for the season

He was +1 in October.
+3 in November.
-12 in December.
+4 in January
+6 in February

Chris Phillips is -27 for the season.

Sure plus minus isn’t everything, but that is a HUGE difference. And New Jersey is terrible too.

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by Adnan on Feb 18, 2011 9:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

A couple of mitigating factors...

The goal differential between the two teams is pretty big – NJD letting 15th in the league in goals against to Ottawa’s 27th AND Volchenkov is more of a 2nd pairing guy with a specific, defined role – whereas Phillips is stuck being “the guy” for our team this year.

That said, yeah, he’s been terrible. Especially terrible compared to Chris Phillips from any other year. But I can’t help but feel that there is an element of putting too much on a guy who works within a specific context and doing so during an off year to boot. I say, either sign or trade him by the deadline for the sake of fan confidence; we don’t need a loose end UFA player that everyone is wondering what will happen to this summer.

If we trade him, do so as all the vet trades have been done – respectfully and with an eye to what works for player and organization. Otherwise sign him to one-to-two year contract to see if he can get his mojo back skating with Cowen. To make room, blindfold Kuba, drive out to the sticks and kick him out of the car somewhere past Vars.

by Johnny_Spectacular on Feb 18, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Ottawa's -41 in 5 on 5, New Jersey is -31 on 5 on 5

There is a difference, but nothing near accounting for that.

Volchenkov is simply better in my opinion.

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by Adnan on Feb 18, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

If Phillips was playing in front of Martin Brodeur rather than Brian Elliot then I think you would see a big difference in his plus-minus. Also, what Johny S. pointed out about role-definition is another valid point. I don’t buy the argument that Volchenkov is better(even though I loved having him on the team) or that Volchenkov has had a particularly good season.

by DW19 on Feb 18, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Phillips has not been good this season

That’s not really a point that can be argued. Still, I think it’s a mistake to write him off just because of one weak year. You’ve got a pretty long body of work to review, which makes this season the statistical anomaly. It’s no different than arguing Ovechkin’s game has declined because he’s having a statistically poor year versus his other ones. You can’t interpret a trend based on one data point.

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by Mark Parisi on Feb 18, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Ovechkin is 25 and has won the Hart Trophy twice

It’s a bit different.

If the Senators really do feel it is a statistical anomaly, give him a 1 year contract so if he stinks it up again next year, he’s not untradeable like Kuba.

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by Adnan on Feb 18, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

No, it's no different

We’re taking about comparing a poorer statistical season than a player’s average. Is Ovechkin in decline because he’s not a Hart candidate this year? That’s EXACTLY what you’re arguing about Phillips: his skills have declined because his stats this year show it when compared to his other years.

But it IS a statistical anomaly. That’s how statistics work. You have multiple years to look at and one year that is incongruent with the rest. That’s an anomaly. You need more than one data point to identify a trend. Math doesn’t bend for opinion, even though you’re probably right.

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by Mark Parisi on Feb 18, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Ovechkin's off-year is ninth in the league in points

Chris Phillips off-year is last in the NHL in plus-minus and 4 points on the season.

That’s the difference, one has fallen a lot more than the other.

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by Adnan on Feb 18, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, the age Adnan mentions is different

It would be a statistical anomaly if a 25-year-old had his numbers begin declining steadily and significantly.

It would not be nearly as unexpected if a 32-year-old’s performance was on a downward trend.

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by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 18, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Probably not

But until it happens for more than one year, it’s not a trend, and so Phillips can’t be written off for sure. That’s all I’m really saying.

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by Mark Parisi on Feb 18, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I still say he's useful on a rebuilding team.

Points aren’t everything, and Philly embodies the team almost as much as Alfie. Someone needs to mentor the kids breaking into the roster, and there’s no one better for that role than Philly. Horrible season aside, I’m on board with an extension if the terms are right – i.e., not too long and salary reflecting the fact that he’s not the D-man he used to be.

by AlfieGirl on Feb 18, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I have been critical of Phillips this season as well.

I would be happy either way though, I am attached to all the career Sens on this team. I think trading him for something will be better for the team, because either way there is uncertainty.

by Los Blancos Chicca on Feb 18, 2011 9:22 AM EST reply actions  

Phillips needs to see the writing on the wall

Volchenkov wanted to stay in Ottawa, and he was let go, and his final season in Ottawa was a good one. If he wants to stay for the rest of the season, fine. But with Campoli, Carkner, Gonchar, Karlsson, Kuba, and Lee under contract, as well as Cowen and Rundblad making the jump to North America, he’s done in Ottawa.

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by Alexander Calloway on Feb 18, 2011 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

Volchenkov was not let go

If he wanted to stay in Ottawa, he would have taken any of the deals the Senators offered him. The Devils offered him more money and he took it.

The team made multiple attempts to keep Android. Stating that he was let go is pure fiction.

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by Mark Parisi on Feb 18, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Kuba should not be back next year. KHL would be the best option for that guy.

Gonchar would be fine as a Senator next year, I just don’t think it does him any favours to finish out his career on a rebuilding team. Phillips has ties to the community and such, so for him a couple of rebuilding seasons wouldn’t be so bad.

by DW19 on Feb 18, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

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by Mark Parisi on Feb 18, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe he does see the writing

Maybe he doesn’t want to spend the spring fighting through the playoffs for a team in which he’s invested nothing. Maybe he wants to spend the next few months negotiating a possible extension. Maybe he just doesn’t want to go to one team now, and then sign with another in July, forcing him to uproot and move twice.

I’m positive he sees the writing on the wall. But if he’s going to be let go, he’ll be lot go on his terms. Which is the right we’ve given him with the NTC.

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by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 18, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the fact that he is willing to play for a rebuilding team means that he sees the writing on the wall very clearly.

Speaking of pride, it is one thing to win a cup as a key leader on the team(as 2007 would have been) and quite another to be just a depth player who happens to pick the right contender in a deadline trade. Not that Phillips would turn down a Stanley Cup ring, I am sure.

by DW19 on Feb 18, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

“Maybe he doesn’t want to spend the spring fighting through the playoffs for a team in which he’s invested nothing.”

That seems plausible. A lot of what I’ve read suggests that Phillips will stay in Ottawa in any capacity rather than move.

by The Tif on Feb 18, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

A small contract - $1.5-2mill for 3 years would be great.

Front load the crap out of it, and then use him as veteran presence. From everything I’ve read he’s the kind of guy you want in the locker room keeping things calm and teaching the new guys how to do their job well. Cowen can learn from him, Karlsson and Rundblad can learn from Gonchar.

I don’t know that completely revamping the team is a good idea. You need to have some guys who have experience to keep things calm when they start to get crazy.

by The Tif on Feb 18, 2011 10:05 AM EST reply actions  

Agree

Plus if you clear out all your assets now who will the Sens have to trade at next year’s deadline? ;)

by DW19 on Feb 18, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Leafs-fan like? Who did they turn on?

This is a really good article. Some fans feel players are just meat slabs who should do whatever is asked to fit into the team’s puzzle.

Wade Redden earned his no-movement clause and felt his best shot at a Cup was staying in Ottawa. Coming off a finals appearance and with a hot start to the year, who could blame him? He gambled wrong, but he was villified for essentially wanting to win.

Dany Heatley earned his no-movement clause. He put up great seasons and the team showed faith in him as a key part of his future. Of course, he’s a colossal douchebag for spurring that gesture of good faith, but he used his clause because he also wanted to win.

Now Phillips says he wants to HELP the Senators and some people want to villify him because he DOESN’T want to win. It’s madness.

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by Mark Parisi on Feb 18, 2011 10:06 AM EST reply actions  

I would cheer

Come on Flames, Kings, etc….push the Sharks out of the picture!

by DW19 on Feb 18, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I would too

I don’t want to see Heatley win, but I don’t begrudge him for trying to.

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by Mark Parisi on Feb 18, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

McCabe?

Sundin to an extent. Kaberle now.

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by Adnan on Feb 18, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

They turned on Sundin pretty heartlessly when he refused to waive

Considering everything that guy did for them, it was reprehensible.

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by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 18, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Motivation the problem?

I understand Phillips earned his NTC and that if he wants to stay with the team then more power to him. My largest concern is why he won’t move to a contender. Loyalty only goes so far, a chance to win a Cup should superceed that for almost every player. If you want to make the arguement Phillips is one of those players, fine but i don’t buy it. I think his head is not in the game anymore, and that is the exact reason we shouldn’t bring him back. If he wasn’t to be with his family in May instead of playing for the Cup that’s fine, but I don’t think that’s the kind of culture or leadership Ottawa needs going forward.

by ojc on Feb 18, 2011 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

Rec'd

VERY well written.

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by DaveYoung on Feb 18, 2011 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah we all love Chris... but what about Hodgson?

What about Chris Phillips for Cody Hodgson? That would be a great trade for both teams, and then if Phillips wants to come back, he’ll be able to accept our discount offer later on.

Does anyone know if Hodgson is a possibility… or is he untouchable? They don’t seem too eager to bring him into the fold and this is the kind of guy to build around. They’d probably want more that just Phillips, but as I look thru the list of Top Prospects, Hodgson really stands out.

by Marvellous on Feb 18, 2011 10:40 AM EST reply actions  

That would be great trade for the Senators. For the Canucks, not so much. It would probably have to be Phillips plus at least a second round pick.

by DW19 on Feb 18, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Hodgson worth alot

Hodgson IMO would be worth Phillips and Nashville’s first rounder.

by Marvellous on Feb 18, 2011 10:58 AM EST reply actions  

I doubt Ottawa gets a better prospect than Hodgson with that pick, so I would certainly be open to that trade.

by DW19 on Feb 18, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

At least that

I can see little reason why the Canucks would trade Hodgson for a minimal package involving Phillips. The organization is uber-high on him; almost as high as the fans are.

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by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 18, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

phillips

it would be better to trade him and get something for him now……he has not played well and why treat him better than Wade Redden. Murray did not like Redden so he got rid of him, but he was a great guy and did lots for this community as well.

by senators611 on Feb 18, 2011 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

Kaberle trade

Now that the Kaberle trade has gone through there may be more dominos to fall in terms of teams dealing for defensemen. I wonder if Bryan Murray phone activity has just picked up at all….

by DW19 on Feb 18, 2011 2:13 PM EST reply actions  

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