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Senators ups and downs: Week Nine

Ups and downs is a feature that looks at the individual performances of the Ottawa Senators' players for the past week.

The Senators were all over the map this week, posting a wild win over the Jets before turning in a loss to the Stars and an overtime loss to the Capitals. The losses produced some of the most boring hockey Senators fans have seen all year.

They also produced something Senators fans are very familiar with: a comeback win. Unfortunately, Ottawa was on the wrong end of it, as Dallas' Eric Nystrom put home a goal at the 17:40 mark of the third period to give the Stars a 3-2 win. Turns out it's a lot more fun to be on the other end of those.

The team now begins a crucial run of games, most of them at home, against some of the NHL's top teams. In the coming weeks, the Senators will face: Tampa Bay, Washington, Vancouver, Boston, and Pittsburgh. They'll also play the Buffalo Sabres three times this month.

Are the Senators for real? We'll know by January.

Biggest gains: Milan Michalek

Last week, we were worried that he might be cooling off after not converting his chances. This week, he's tied for the NHL goal-scoring lead with 16. Blasting in four goals (including two against Winnipeg) in just three games, Michalek proved he doesn't need to be on the top line to be producing: he did all of his scoring with new linemates Nick Foligno and Daniel Alfredsson. He's a stud.

Biggest losses: Nikita Filatov

Meanwhile, Michalek's replacement on the top line has literally nothing to show for his playing time. He asked for, earned, and got his chance to play top-six minutes. Yet In two games this past week, he has one shot on goal. That's it. It wasn't good enough for head coach Paul MacLean, and it's not good enough for us, either. At some point, if he wants to be considered a top-six forward, he needs to produce like a top-six forward. Otherwise he'll be scratched like he was against Washington.

(read on for the full rundown...)

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Goalies Trend Notes
Craig Anderson http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/217757/dash.png It's not quite "winning in spite of" territory for Anderson, but it's close.
Alex Auld http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/217757/dash.png Auld did not get a chance to play this week.
Defensemen
Jared Cowen

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Cowen's minutes rose steadily this week, a testament to his improving play. MacLean trusts him.
Sergei Gonchar http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/217757/dash.png Gonchar notched an assist against Winnipeg, had a plus-1 rating against Dallas, but went minus-2 against Washington. He was average this week.
Erik Karlsson

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Playing at an All-Star level right now. He's looking as confident without the puck as he does with it. There's not much else to say.
Filip Kuba http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/217725/cross.png Currently injured.
Brian Lee http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/217757/dash.png Got to play due to Kuba's injury and made himself noticed with five hits against Dallas.
Chris Phillips http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/217737/down.png Perhaps the biggest victim of Kuba's injury, Phillips is being forced to play in situations that are no longer his strength.
David Rundblad http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/217737/down.png As Cowen's minutes have increased, Rundblad's have decreased. We're not sure why.
Forwards
Daniel Alfredsson

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Playing with Foligno and Michalek seems to suit Alfie well: he's on a three-game assist streak.
Bobby Butler http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/217757/dash.png The Bust got a chance to play on the top line with with Greening and Spezza, but he didn't do anything with that chance. Not showing the chemistry he had with Spezza last year.
Erik Condra

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With three points (1G, 2A ) in three games, and outstanding work on the penalty kill, we're not sure what else he could be doing for the team.
Kaspars Daugavins http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/217757/dash.png His contributions on the third line and penalty kill have improved both.
Nikita Filatov http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/217737/down.png See "Biggest losses."
Nick Foligno

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Could it be that Foligno is the solution to the second-line center problem? He sure looked the part this week.
Colin Greening http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/217757/dash.png Though Greening isn't showing up on the scoreboard, that's not necessarily his role on the top line.
Zenon Konopka http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/217737/down.png Konopka doesn't play on the PK or PP, so when he takes minor penalties (4 PIMs this week), he's not helping his team. Also went minus-1 in a 6-4 win.
Milan Michalek

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See "Biggest gains."
Chris Neil http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/217757/dash.png Neil looked rusty in his return to play.
Peter Regin http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/217725/cross.png Out indefinitely with a shoulder injury.
Zack Smith

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Two goals against Winnipeg and no stupid penalties this week? Yes, please.
Jason Spezza

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A goal against Winnipeg and an assist against Washington gives Spezza 24 points in 26 games.
Jesse Winchester http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/217757/dash.png Led his line with six shots on goal on the week -- but none of them went in.

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Saga continues

The Filly, Da Costa and Butler saga continues. I hope we exercise some patience with Da Costa and Butler. It may just take another year for those guys.

Filly will decide if he wants to stay… probably in the AHL until he grows into being able to use his skills.

When Regin comes back, it will be hard to justify keeping Filly around, and he’ll probably go back overseas.

by Marvellous on Dec 5, 2011 8:45 AM EST reply actions  

It looks like the team's taken the right track with Da Costa

I believe he even said he’d felt overwhelmed with the big club after a while.

It’s beginning to look like Murray made a mistake giving Butler a one-way deal, but after last season why shouldn’t he have? The other whiz-kids from the spring – Condra and Greening – got one-way deals and are contuining where they left off.

by JonathanA on Dec 5, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I feel sorry for Filatov

But it’s beginning to look like he can’t quite get it done with the Senators. He hasn’t seemed to be able to make the most of his opportunity. I know that Varada (on Welcome to Your Karlsson Years) has on occasion criticised the club’s handling of Filatov, not without reason. Management and coaching both seem impatient with Filatov. The Sens are a rebuilding club, and a bit more patience with younger prospects might not hurt; indeed, it is necessary if they’re going to flourish in the years to come.

On the other hand, compare Filatov’s reaction to his assignment to Bingo with Karlsson’s. Karlsson went and took his lumps and came back the better for it. From all accounts Filatov has been (not unnaturally) unhappy with being sent to Binghamton. Yet he was starting to strut his stuff down there, too. If he’d seen his assignment there as an opportunity to play top minutes, generate scoring chances and excel, he might have been able to win over MacLean et al.

by JonathanA on Dec 5, 2011 8:49 AM EST reply actions  

It seems like he did win over MacLean

I mean, he got himself called up, didn’t he? And that was after Murray told him to prove it.

I honestly wonder if the team would be handling him differently if their position in the standings was different. I bet they’d be more patient if there was nothing to play for. But what’s MacLean going to do, not try to make the playoffs to get a kid some minutes?

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by Mark Parisi on Dec 5, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think he won over MacLean

I bet Murray kind of pressured MacLean a little bit into it.

Of course I have no proof of this, but Murray’s comments seem to imply he really likes Filatov, while MacLean not so much. He says he likes how Filatov is playing but he has got to produce because he’s playing. On the other hand, Greening has 3 points in his last 14 games, playing exclusively with Jason Spezza.

For whatever reason, MacLean doesn’t like Filatov. And that’s fine, everyone has their hunches or what not. If he doesn’t trust him, he can’t keep playing him.

He did kind of hint Filatov might play tonight, though he was leaning towards scratching him again.

I just hope they let him go back to Russia if MacLean doesn’t see him as a part of the team, rather than burying him in AHL.

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by Adnan on Dec 5, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it's reasonable to compare Greening and Filatov/Butler

Their roles on that line are not the same. Greening’s job isn’t to produce points.

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by Mark Parisi on Dec 5, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think he should be on the first line then.

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by Adnan on Dec 5, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree with Adnan on this one

i think you let Greening off in the Up/Down assessment – if you’re on the first line and not producing points, what are you doing there. Power forwards are supposed to produce, just not by sniping. However, Greening is young so i’ll give him some slack

However, Filatov isn’t being given the same kind of latitude and that’s probably because he’s supposed to be a skilled forward and he’s not producing BUT can it be reasonably expected that he gets yanked around like a yo-yo, has his nose smashed, and still comes out filling the net up? I don’t think so – BUT – and on this i’ll agree with Mark – where we’re sitting, we have to try and stay competitive so I think Filatov has no choice but be patient.

Makes me think a little of how Filpula, Hudler and Helm had/have been yanked around in Detroit over the years. Could be a little of the same MacLean secret sauce is being applied here.

by west-sider on Dec 5, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

But what if what he's doing there is helping his linemates produce points?

Let’s say Soylent screens the goalie, and Spezza’s shot goes in the net. No points for the winger, but did he “produce”?

I think if we’re limiting our idea of production to statistics, we’re doing the players a disservice. Kuba’s only got two more points than Phillips. Is he not “producing”?

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by Mark Parisi on Dec 5, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

creating the conditions necessary for success is every bit as important as actually putting the puck in the net. Think of Semenko – he created a different kind of condition, safety for Gretzky, but it was necessary. I really like complementary pieces being used in skilful ways according to the circumstances. Sometimes it may make more sense to have a sniper or playmaker or agitator or body guard on a line, depending on the opponent and stage of game. As a main piece, though, I like what Greening brings.

by Be_rad on Dec 5, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

But the first line isn’t scoring much, so maybe he isn’t screening the goalies as well?

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by Adnan on Dec 5, 2011 12:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think I'm trying to argue that one player is responsible for his whole line's production

I don’t think you are, either.

My point is that Greening is asked to take significantly more actions that are not tracked statistically than his linemates, and therefore shouldn’t be judged by statistical production alone. That’d be like… faulting Michalek for being terrible at faceoffs, or something similar.

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by Mark Parisi on Dec 5, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha sorry

My comment sounds a lot snarkier than I intended.

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by Adnan on Dec 5, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with Mark on this one.

Greening has six goals to date which is no small potato. But more importantly, he’s standing in front of the net and going to the corners quite efficiently. And he’s shooting the puck. That’s what I don’t get about FIlatov, why is he not shooting? He is certainly not creating much scoring chances, so shoot! Or is he not putting himself in position to shoot as well?

by whatsinaname on Dec 5, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I still maintain that he could/should be producing more

I’m not discounting the indirect contribution of creating space and screening, etc but the few points he has over the last number of games is quite low for a first liner. And our 1st line prod’n seems to have fallen off a bit too. I don’t think it’s all him – we’ve been outshot at times recently and he can’t bang home rebounds if there are no shots on net. Anyway, maybe in the final analysis, it’s just not his fault if his line’s not scoring 5-on-5.

by west-sider on Dec 5, 2011 4:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Sure, I'll like to see Greening get more points too. Him too.

Right now, we are not exactly busting at the seams with points getters. Guess we work with what we have. At this rate, Grenning will get around 35-40 points. This year, being what it is, I’ll take that.

by whatsinaname on Dec 5, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh, surprise? I think not. How many games has Greening played there vs. the other two guys.

by west-sider on Dec 5, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Durr, my comment came out stupider than it looked when I was typing it

Greening seems to have made the most of his opportunity to play with Spezza.

For example: If you look at the game logs, in the (admittedly) few games in which Filatov has played on the first line (assuming those are the games in which he has played at least 17 shifts/game), he’s got 3 shots.

Butler, too has had very few shots on net/game; in the 9 games where he has played at least 17 shifts he’s had an average of 1.2 shots/game; it’s so low because of those 9 games there were 4 in which he didn’t have any shots on goal. In March last season, in the 14 games where Butler played at least 17 shifts, he had an average of 2.1 shots/game, and in every game in which he played at least 17 shifts he had at least 1 shot on goal.

Greening has played all 26 games this season on Spezza’s line, and has logged at least 17 shifts/game (not all of them with Spezza, but most of them), and has managed an average of 2.1 shots on goal/game.

No doubt part of that is the better quality of the defense those guys are facing when they’re on Spezza’s line, and part is because Greening has been a regular, but Greening’s comparative success isn’t due just to the fact that he’s played the most with Spezza.

by JonathanA on Dec 5, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

staring the face of such data, i’ll concede your point.

I am inclined to believe though that under Paulrus, Butler and Filatov are possibly being told they need to see a complete game from those guys including back-checking, fore-checking, work on the boards, etc. and not just circling in the slot with their sticks in the air (as thoughts of Heatley come flooding back). Perhaps they’re thinking too much at this point.

by west-sider on Dec 5, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Greening’s purpose on the first line is to dig out the puck and get it to Spezza or Filatov, as well as screening the goalie, pressuring the defencemen into rushing their passes and covering back on defence. None of those things necessarily show up as goals or assists for Greening, but if done well they would boost the totals for Spezza and Filatov (or other RW).

A line with two scorers and a grinder will often out-produce a line with three scorers. Ideally Greening will become a Lucic-type player who can both grind and score (but hopefully less of an a-hole).

by DW19 on Dec 5, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree that the Sens should be icing a competitive team if they can

I don’t think they have to be the Islanders to develop their young players. I don’t know whether the team should be handling Filatov (or anyone else) differently, whatever its place in the standings, unless they are mishandling him, which might be possible, but doesn’t seem likely.

by JonathanA on Dec 5, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not feeling sorry for him...

Filatov had his chance to play on a top line with Spezza who seems to make anyone a goal scorer at the best of the times. I’m now hoping he realizes that he will need more time in the AHL, he’s not the first player with some talent that can’t find there stride in the NHL and won’t be the last.

by ryprevo on Dec 5, 2011 9:23 AM EST reply actions  

Some players take more time

True NHL players are alot more than just a sum of their individual talents. The ability to deal with stress, pressure, and adversity at a mental level is a growing up process.

The ability to be able to handle pressing yourself to produce, and receiving the same pressure from others around you largely determines how an NHL player will turn out.

Some take longer than others to develop, while some players just end up scoring alot of goals in the beer leagues.

Filly may just be one of those players who can relax and perform only when surrounded with the familiarlty of home around him.

It’s too bad, because MAN can he ever skate.

by Marvellous on Dec 5, 2011 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

Not sure about 1 shot on goal...

I can think specifically of two good scoring chances in those two games. The two on one where he kept and shot, and the slick move that turned into a wrap-around, that was saved brilliantly by raycroft. That’s two more scoring chances than I saw out of Butler this week. Not to mention, in the game against Dallas, it was painfully obvious that Spezza was forcing the puck to Filly, and that wasn’t helping either.

by DaveYoung on Dec 5, 2011 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

He did officially only have 1 shot, but I definitely agree he played better than Butler, or Greening for that matter.

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by Adnan on Dec 5, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree to disagree on that one. I’ve seen much more from Butler (recently) and Greening (all season) than I’ve seen from Filatov.

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by DarrenM on Dec 5, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you

Though Butler hasn’t racked up points, his effort is great. Greening’s role is to be a presence on the first line. Cause havoc in front of the net (which he’s done). He’s the perfect fit for that line and I think he deserves to be there.
I’d prefer to see Filatov on the 2nd line with Michalek and Foligno. I suspect Filatov might have better chemistry with 9mm anyway. He’s an east-west player and 9mm is a north-south…I could see lots of breakaway passes and cheeky-chip passes.

I’d trade Alfie for Crosby or something…

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by MadCash on Dec 5, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not that sympathetic to Filatov. He was in an awful situation and Otatwa was his chance to ressurect huimself. Instead of being honest with himself, he and his agent agitated for a meaningful audience at the top level before he was completely ready. Self awareness, willingness to address your own shortcomings and knowing exactly what is expected of you are all on him, not Ottawa. He forced their hand, apparently too soon relative to hsi development, and he’s falling short as a result.

How should Ottawa have handled him? If you take as an assumption that he had fundamental flaws in his game, as a result of being rushed/poorly coached/whatever, then not coddling him and telling him to straighten out his game is an honest, adult approach.

by Be_rad on Dec 5, 2011 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

again with the dyslexic typing. Dyslexics untie!

by Be_rad on Dec 5, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Filatov/Butler

I like the idea of rotating them on Spezza’s right wing. A little healthy competition might spur one or the other to start producing.

by DW19 on Dec 5, 2011 12:10 PM EST reply actions  

I'm curious

Filatov is listed as questionable for tonight’s game (TSN).

Perhaps he is still feeling the affects of the skate-to-nose? Could this explain his unwarranted scratch Saturday?

Additionally, I’m surprised nobody has mentioned Da Costa’s 4 points in three games – one of which came on his very first shift in the AHL.

by J MacPhee on Dec 5, 2011 12:46 PM EST reply actions  

I think Da Costa will be talked about more in tomorrow's prospect roundup

I’m glad to see him tearing it up in the AHL, though. I don’t doubt his talent; he just needs some development time.

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by Mark Parisi on Dec 5, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

DaCosta

I think a season in the AHL will do him good. He will be counted on in Bingo to produce, and it looks like he should be able to deliver. That should really help his development. The Sens can give him another shot towards the end of the season or next fall.

by DW19 on Dec 5, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Filatov didn’t play two games, he played slightly more than one.

by LeTigre on Dec 5, 2011 1:03 PM EST reply actions  

You know, this is a fair point

I was probably being too harsh.

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by Mark Parisi on Dec 5, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

It's definitely a challenging task having to manage the players as part of rebuilding year where they are still competitive for a spot in the post-season.

I am sure it’s not easy. You have to manage 2 plans (winning and rebuilding)… it’s not like it’s only 1 or 2 players being developed, it’s a decent chunk of the team.

Regardless of how some people feel Filatov is being treated, I am sure it’s more complicated than what we see. Regardless, both MacLean and Murray have a lot of experience in player development. So I still trust them in the handling of Filatov. I just really hope Filatov remains patient and plays this year out. I don’t see how it benefits his chance at a successful NHL career going to Russia at this point. He needs to play this year out, be open to learning whatever he can whether his is in Ottawa or Bingo, use critisim as constructive and then see where all that takes him.

by Los Blancos Chicca on Dec 5, 2011 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

rejuvenated

It’s very interesting to see Da Costa tearing it up in Bingo. Maybe he’ll come back rejuvenated.

by Marvellous on Dec 5, 2011 1:37 PM EST reply actions  

Da Costa

has all-world talent (not really sure what that means…).
I have no doubt he’ll be a solid, scoring NHLer for many years.

I’m stoked to see Filatov play tonight (if he’s in). The clock is ticking no doubt, but I’m really pulling for him.

I’d like to see him produce, gain confidence and live happily ever after.

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by MadCash on Dec 5, 2011 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

the fairy tale might be over...

barring an 8-1 beatdown tonight, I don’t see Filatov getting back in. Seems that his small window may have closed…I doubt he’ll be happy in the pressbox.

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by MadCash on Dec 5, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Filatov

There must be more to this Filatov situation than not producing points…… he played two games at the beginning of the year and got one assist and was sent down.

VS. Carolina: 12 EV TOI, 1 shot, 1-/-
VS. Winnipeg: 3.3 EV TOI, Nuff Said.
VS. Dallas: approx. 14 EV TOI, 1 shot, 1/-
VS. Washington: Scratched
VS. Tampa: Scratched

Now you take into consideration that:
A) Filatov is a pass first guy. Who furthermore, really is still adjusting to being on a first line in the NHL vs Top 2 NHL defensive pairings.
B) Spezza is arguably the same way
C) Greening is not exactly the Michalek, or dare i say it, the Heatley type of player that needs to be paired with two play makers like that. That being said, i understand how Greening fits in with Spezza and Michalek.

What im trying to say is, IMO, I dont think Filatov is a fit on a line like that, or an instant fit in a matter of approx, 30 mins of ice time anyways. Im not an NHL coach, but if i was, id want Filly to wait for Regin to get back and try him with Regin and Alfie. Unless there is a big Filatov attitude problem or something we dont see from the outside.

Not trying to flame on Butler, but i don’t see why Butler deserved 1st line TOI on Saturday over Filiatov, unless Maclean is starting a competition between the two in an effort to spark offence. That being said….. Butler didnt exactly have a productive game either so lets send him to the AHL too…………. Just Jokes.

Hopefully this will spark some debate. Go Filatov Sens Go!

by SBains187 on Dec 5, 2011 6:19 PM EST reply actions  

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