Kyle Turris traded to Ottawa
Bob McKenzie and Bruce Garrioch have confirmed that Kyle Turris is coming to Ottawa. Garrioch says the deal is for a "player and a pick". No word yet on who that might be.
The Sens are giving up David Rundblad and a second round pick for Kyle Turris -- a rather steep price.
We will have full analysis of this trade coming shortly.
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Dear everyone, I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!
why don’t you all read back 3 weeks, where I have predicted THIS EXACT TRADE Thttp://www.silversevensens.com/2011/11/23/2582813/silver-nuggets-what-to-do-with-the-senators-defensive-logjam#83640017
I feel like I should go buy a lottery ticket or something.
Actually I am quite sad, Rundblad will rock one day no question about that, his size and skills…, I hope Turris will stand on his head and will make Murray proud…
I know that, that doesn't matter, I know you Mr. Rainey, that's what matters. You stole my story.
Tell me tell me
I must know who we traded now!
by Tom Camps on Dec 17, 2011 2:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I hope it's not Rundblad. Maybe it's Regin and a 2nd, or something like that.
I really hope his behavioural issues get controlled and Murray didn’t get fleeced. If he wants 4.5 million from us in the offseason, it’s a waste..
I am worried
I dont know how I feel about Turris
It is RUndblad and 2nd
Terrible trade.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
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fuck. really?
we gave up on Rundblad so fast. we didn’t NEED a second line centre, it was filled fine with Regin/Furby. Rundblad was a core piece. :(
as per Bruce Garrioch on Twitter.
we gave up on Rundblad so easily.
SunGarrioch Bruce Garrioch
I can confirm @JSportsnet report it is Rundblad and a No. 2
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
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Murray should've learned by alllllll the shitty trades he's made.
DO NOT TRADE. YOUR JOB IS TO DEVELOP.
We do have a need for Turris. Second line centre (if he is that) — Ottawa needs that.
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I agree
I’m thinking they didn’t see as much as they would have liked in DaCosta for the medium term and Filatov has turned into more of a project. Rundblad – for all his offensive ability has really not produced on that front desite the D short-comings. I see this as selling high – maybe.
Anyway, I’m not ready to declare this a bust yet to early to tell for any of these guys.
Frankly, I’m more worried about our goaltending depth…
by west-sider on Dec 17, 2011 2:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don't like this deal.
Turris is (slightly) older and is a risk. Rundblad proved he can dominate the SEL, whereas Turris has not shown he can dominate a pro league.
I do have concerns about Rundblad’s game transitioning to North America, but I still think he needs a bit more of a chance than he got.
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The bottom line is that we traded potential for potential
I’m not sure what this means for Regin, Zibanejad, or Da Costa, though.
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exactly. Turris wasn't a need. He was a want.
yes Rundblad did poorly this season, with 20 something games of NHL experience. I saw flashes of brilliance and he could skate. Probably didn’t fit into Maclean’s system.
fucking horrible!
if Rundblad is gone! He is part of our rebuild!
by AAZZ on Dec 17, 2011 2:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Cowen made this possible
He stepped up immediately, and he’s showing he can be a stable force on that back end for years to come. I guess that made Rundblad expendable? They used their depth at D to improve themselves up front. A good strategy. We won’t know if this is good for a long time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHbj53fZx2Y
point made
maybe this augurs well for lee, carkner and even kuba at the deadline
by AussieSensFan on Dec 17, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
Cowen has earned serious consideration for 1st unit PP time in the future, and with Rundblad around that was going to be tough given how the powerplay is Rundblad’s specialization.
This trade is in part a move to groom Cowen as a Pronger 2.0.
I see this logic too
We have two potential franchise d-men in Cowen and Karlsson w/ other solid prospects in the farm. They payroll was not going to allow us to have three. Rumball was showing minor flashes whereas even at Karlsson"s worst, he showed clear potential brilliance and there’s no mistaking his and Cowen"s compete level. I think this might have been a smart move, actually.
by west-sider on Dec 17, 2011 2:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
while i feel sad that we gave up on rundblad so easily
i hope turris turns into the top-six forward butler/filatov/da costa couldn’t be (yet) and that the senators desperately need
I dont know about this
I was excited about Rumball. I hope this works out.
Remember how miserable we were last year – at least the Sens are exciting again
by Tom Camps on Dec 17, 2011 2:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Darren not sure if you followed the Burnaby Express here, but this kid dominated, he is going to be a good one…still young and will figure it out.
I didn’t, but that’s BCHL hockey — a lot of players dominate that league and don’t even make the NHL, let alone prove to be top 6 forwards.
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25 points in 65 games with Phoenix
0.38 points per game. Producing at that rate he’d have 12 points this year. About the same as Condra.
by whereverjustice on Dec 17, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Different kind of team, Phoenix.
by west-sider on Dec 17, 2011 3:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm leaning towards huge good based on what I've seen from Turris back in Phoenix, but it's way too early to say.
But it’s pretty clear Murray is swinging for the fences with this rebuild. He’s looking for high-quality potential players. He’s done it with Filatov and now Turris.
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Someone get Adnan off the roof!
Seriously though, this trade has me really, really upset. I feel we got fleeced.
What happened to patient rebuild? We have no way of knowing if Z-Bad could have been our 2nd line center…
by The Dutch Treat on Dec 17, 2011 2:28 PM EST reply actions
this may be super-premature but
Given Spezza’s chronic back issues, is it fair to think his production or at least games played could really start to decline in 3-4 yrs? We’ll need Z-bad (longish development, I think), Turris, Regin for the longer term.
by west-sider on Dec 17, 2011 3:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Spezza's back has seemed pretty healthy the past two years
I’m sticking to my guns on six years of elite production left from him.
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More good ole Canadian content...
Is never a bad thing IMO…
Don Cherry
Why not just post under your real name, Don?
I think we should trade Alfie and Karlsson for a good Canadian pair.
by StraightFromTHM on Dec 17, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Too expensive
Given that Rundblad will only be an RFA at the end of his contract, the 2nd rounder will be PHX property for a good 7 years, and Turris is only signed for another 1.5, this is not a good trade.
by StraightFromTHM on Dec 17, 2011 2:35 PM EST reply actions
Top 6 and future top 3 goal scorers to possibly replace Alfie and former first rounders don’t grow on trees…
top 3?
Turris isn’t even top 300. I think you’re forgetting our other recent “Top 6” acquisition. Yeah, he’s in Russia now.
by StraightFromTHM on Dec 17, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
I got that
But recall what everyone said about Nazem Kadri. “Calder Trophy, 30 goals/year, PPG player”.
by StraightFromTHM on Dec 17, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
My gut feeling tells me that this is a bad deal, but...
Kyle Turris was the 3rd pick in the 2007 draft, who has more upside?
I was REALLY excited about Rundblad developing here, but this move will either make Brian Murray look like a genius or an idiot in the long run, time will tell. I know Phoenix wanted a first round pick and a roster player, so from that point of view, it’s not THAT bad.
BM clearly knows something we don’t about Rundblad, or Turris, otherwise he wouldn’t have made this trade. He doesn’t exactly have the reputation for making absolutely terrible trades…time will tell.
If Bryan murray who Gms a hockey team thinks this was an overpayment he wouldnt have made the deal
Im also sure he consulted with Paulrus and possibly a few scouts just to see what they think.If the coaching staff and the GM agree with this move I have a feeling its a good one
Wow...
I’m not sure how I feel about this. I really wanted BM to land Turris, but I didn’t think we’d have to give up Runblad AND a second for the kid.
I’ll admit, I’ve been wholly unimpressed with Runblad so far this year, especially with all of the pre-season Calder talk… however, Turris has crazy potential and it might work out well for us.
Only time will tell, I suppose.
Wow… just wow.
ALFIE! ALFIE! ALFIE!
Think long term folks...
Alfie’s production is going to need to be replaced in the next couple of years and this team is unlikely going to be a top 8 pick in the draft anytime soon…getting a former 3rd overall pick that is a natural goal scorer at his age is a great trade any day of the week…Rundblad like I have been saying is Karlsson lite and you have to give up something to get something.
Filatov is returning to BInghamton too apparently...
Everything is happening!
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
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Bingo
Wait – what? Where’d you hear this, Adnan?
by StraightFromTHM on Dec 17, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
SensChirp reported it after the Turris deal, and now Chesnokov I believe is confirming it.
If Charlie Sheen played for the Leafs, the Leafs would be #winning. If LeBron James played for the Cavs, oh wait, he already did that.
Twitter, not confirmed yet though.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
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Intriguing.
Well, if things work out like that, we’ll just need a drunken, Ferrari driving 40 year old goaltender and some blue & orange jerseys.
by StraightFromTHM on Dec 17, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Twitter rumours suggest that Murray offered Rundblad for Turris straight up and Maloney said no deal.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
Lebda-free since July 3.
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 17, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
I don't like the trade, but...
Bryan Murray either will have made the best trade of the decade, or the worst trade of the decade. Obviously he must have felt good about this trade if he is risking his reputation here.
If Charlie Sheen played for the Leafs, the Leafs would be #winning. If LeBron James played for the Cavs, oh wait, he already did that.
Murray's reputation
is not the best amongst many. So this won’t have any bearing :)
by StraightFromTHM on Dec 17, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
But he has built up so much good will with fans is accordance to the rebuild, that if this trade works out for the worst, it will be the last straw for him.
If Charlie Sheen played for the Leafs, the Leafs would be #winning. If LeBron James played for the Cavs, oh wait, he already did that.
There are those committed
to Brian Murray hatred. I think it was misdirected (fuck you Melnyk), but I hear ya. I’m hoping it is the “Trade of the Century” and the Century is still young!
by StraightFromTHM on Dec 17, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
David Rundblad has as many points in his last 20 games as Kyle Turris. And one of those was a goal.
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I said this on Twitter too, but I'm interested in hearing if Henrik Larsson (bless his soul) will make a cameo on the site and what his opinion on the deal will be
If Charlie Sheen played for the Leafs, the Leafs would be #winning. If LeBron James played for the Cavs, oh wait, he already did that.
*regular season
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by Ryan Classic on Dec 17, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
So what you’re saying is that Turris is a little snakebitten right now?
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Boo
But also ha.
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by Ryan Classic on Dec 17, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
SIDE NOTE: only one of the KISS trio is in Ottawa.
:( Karlsson must be sad.
We don't have a preds 2nd rounder. Only a 3rd from them.
If Charlie Sheen played for the Leafs, the Leafs would be #winning. If LeBron James played for the Cavs, oh wait, he already did that.
My fondness for Rundblad
Comes from that pass against the Leafs. Anything like that against the Leafs wins my heart and soul.
by StraightFromTHM on Dec 17, 2011 2:53 PM EST reply actions
What is this im hearing? Nikita Filatov coming back to Bingo?
He must have a huge crush on Kyle Turris….
There needs to be a contest....
on which one of them can grow more facial hair.
by StraightFromTHM on Dec 17, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
My biggest complaint about this trade is why not just wait one more season for Prime Zib to fill the second line centre role?
Although, this coming draft is deep in defenseman, and if we eventually trade Michalek for a first, we could have two first rounders once again.
If Charlie Sheen played for the Leafs, the Leafs would be #winning. If LeBron James played for the Cavs, oh wait, he already did that.
ACH...
Not sure about how I feel…Runblad was not given enough time I am not very happy we have seen how much we need a PP presence after Gonchar….also are Gonchar and Kuba better who is playing our 6th D if David is now a Coyote
Also Filatov AND Turris both top end talent guys who havent lived up to their draft spot I say one gamble at a time….
Wayne Scanlan, "Sens soured very quickly on Rundblad after scouting him in Sweden, giving up a 1st rounder for him."
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that makes me feel
a little better, but it makes it more confusing as to why he was never sent to the AHL.
by StraightFromTHM on Dec 17, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
maybe he was being shopped from the start?
by AussieSensFan on Dec 17, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Well he wasn't playing
So he wasn’t being shopped very hard. I’d figure he would be outstanding in the AHL and thus of more value.
by StraightFromTHM on Dec 17, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
if they really weren't that big on him
Maybe they were trying to keep his stock up by NOT playing him…
by west-sider on Dec 17, 2011 3:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Can anyone confirm this??
nhlnumbers.com has Turris listed as an RFA in 2013-2014…is this correct?? instead of UFA??
Cap Geek repeats that info
http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=1126
Ok, I feel a wee better.
by StraightFromTHM on Dec 17, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
You need 7 pro seasons to be a UFA
So if he’d signed a 4-year deal, he’d be a UFA. But he signed a 2-year, so combined with his 3-year entry level, you get 5 years. Two more to go.
Hope that helps.
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by Ryan Classic on Dec 17, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
My gut tells me I don't like this trade
Hard to predict how either Turris or Rundblad will turn out, and it could really work out great for Ottawa, or both teams, but I am sad to see the Sens give up so quickly on Rundblad. It does make sense, considering how good Karlsson and now Cowen are….
but yeah. Scared.
Why throw in the second round pick? Can Turris reclaim his scoring touch from the BCJHL and translate that to the NHL? I’m not too sure as this could be another Filatov … loads of skill but does not translate to success at this level.
This one is on Murray. He needs for this to work out in order for his future to be safe.
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Who were the others?
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"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
Turris' contract wasn't big enough for Montreal to want him.
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by Ryan Classic on Dec 17, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Cowen's game agaisnt the Pens...
Obviously solidified that he passed Rundblad on the depth chart and made him expendable…it can even be argued that Lee has shown enough to at least be put in the same conversation as Rundblad depth wise….the defensive depth of the club made this deal to get a natural goal scorer with a cap friendly contract and young age possible.
Rundblad is a rookie. You cannot judge his full potential based on 24 games in the NHL.
Karlsson had 1 goal, 5 assists in 24 games. That’s not too far off Rundblad’s numbers.
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by Ryan Classic on Dec 17, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Blaaaaaaaaarg! I am enraged!
Seriously gonna miss Rundblad. I had really high hopes. And it strikes me as a little odd, given that one of our next in line guys, Wierchioch, just took a catastrophic injury, the long-term affect of which we don’t know.
Buuuuuuut, gotta roll with it. Go Turris! Make Murray look good! And if you hold out on us, we’ll eat you alive!
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by Johnny_Spectacular on Dec 17, 2011 3:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Hopefully he doesn’t Turris into another Yashin and holds out.
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seriously
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by Johnny_Spectacular on Dec 17, 2011 3:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I feel sick...
Turris hasn’t shown he can be a bona fide goal scorer in the league and the play of Rundblad while suspect at times showed enough flashes of brilliance for me to think he is going to be a super D in the coming years.
No time to get used the NA hockey system, no time to develop in the A…wow…way too early to trade him. A solid D is the backbone of any good franchise and to give up a player who could be elite doesn’t sit well with me at all.
You realize you are saying Turris is not a bona fide goal scorer on a team who’s leading goal scorer last year had all of 20 goals??
What does that have to do with anything?
He hasn’t shown he can score in the NHL yet and he has had time to develop in the A and some NHL time.
Usually goal starved teams have their youg guys get lots of ice time and they can actually look better than they are…not in his case.
Not saying he wont’ be a goal scorer but saying he hasn’t proven it so this talk of him being the 2nd line center doesn’t make sense. We want our second line center scoring 15 goals and 30 points?
Also think we basically traded Tarasenko+ 2nd for Turris....
Yes or no?Time will tell
Relax everyone!!!
It is much easier to judge with a hindsight of 20/20, so let’s judge Murray when we see hos body of work. Turris hasn’t played a game here and solid (I hope he is) Centers can not be picked up every day Hitchhiking on 401. At very least give K.Turris a month or till trade deadline before sending him to KHL…
Seriously, here is the trade in a different light:
- overall 2007 NHL Entry Draft <→ #16 overall pick in the 2010 NHL Entry Draft + Ottawa’s 2nd round pick in 2012.
Now let’s assume we get into playoffs, this could be pick #40, so we get #3 for #16 and #40, fair? in my books this is very fair, and hindsight of 20/20 will determine the winner 10, 15 years from now, relax and do not panic on day 1 of a 15 year journey!
I know that, that doesn't matter, I know you Mr. Rainey, that's what matters. You stole my story.
correction
due to silly formatting, this should have read:
#3 overall 2007 NHL Entry Draft <- → #16 overall pick in the 2010 NHL Entry Draft + Ottawa’s 2nd round pick in 2012
I know that, that doesn't matter, I know you Mr. Rainey, that's what matters. You stole my story.
Ya youre right
Just beacause were the Senators people are automatically thinking this is a high second round pick
could be #40, could be #50 or #55
I feel like there is very little difference in #31 or #60 in pretty much any draft year, but we all know difference statistically between #3 and #16 is ginormous. Yes, we can always point to Daigle, Hickey, Svitov, Volchkov, but in the last 20 years there have been very few if any huge disappointments in top 3, and Turris will have great career, mark my words! Rundblad will likely too, but what I care is winning Stanley Turris and I will support my Sens with Turris just like I supported them with Rundblad.
Anyone remembers that even Alfredsson missed the beginning of the 1997–98 season due to a contract dispute??? We love him no less because of that, give this Canadian kid Turris a chance!
I know that, that doesn't matter, I know you Mr. Rainey, that's what matters. You stole my story.
That's it
I’ve supported the Sens, I wanted their players and prospects to succeed, but this? Why?! I was a huge Rundblad fan now that he’s in the middle of nowhere I won’t see much of him. And why was it necessary to throw in a 2nd as well? I get the logic behind the trade with Cowen-Karlsson being the 1-2 punch and Rundblad being lost in the depth but he’s going to be a stud on the backend and has SHOWN his potential where Turris has what a couple good games in the playoffs and that’s all he’s shown. Don’t like it.
Oh there are twitter rumors Filatov is returning?! LOL interesting day for Sens fans.
P.S. Wish you guys scored 11 on the Pens last night to wake them up a little more.
Filatov to the minors is just paperwork. His phone's been disconnected
Per Garrioch, Chesnekov.
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For those who haven't seen...
Turris has quite the shot: http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hlp=8474068&navid=DL|OTT|home
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sweet hands
That second highlight against Detroit was one hell of a shift!
Hopefully we’ll be seeing that Kyle Turris soon enough.
Does look sweet
Not what about on the wing with Spezz a shot like that needs a guy like Spezza….I see Zbad at 2nd line center next year….still POed about Rundblad he was really not given a enough time in my opinion, I hope we can be more patient with other prospects even when we might be overflowing with them (Stone, Silfverberg, Noesen Puempel)
Apparantly he was suspended
by the Sens for not reporting to Bingo after he didnt get a contract signed in the KHL
Think of the trade this way
Spezza, Zjad/Turris, Regin, Smith sounds much better at center then what we began with this year.
Kyle Turris vs. Nathan Horton
I expect that Kyle Turris will turn out to be our Nathan Horton. Both Centers drafted #3.
Horton:
03-04 Florida Panthers 22pnts / 55g
04-05 lockout
05-06 Florida Panthers 47pnts / 71g
Turris:
08-09 Phoenix Coyotes 20pnts / 63g
09-10 AHL
00-11 Phoenix Coyotes 25pnts / 65g
Sure, Turris is a little behind in his development, but if next year(s) he puts up numbers that Horton did, we all will be patting Murry on the back and then some…
I know that, that doesn't matter, I know you Mr. Rainey, that's what matters. You stole my story.
I think he will be a much better fit with MacLean
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Wealth of riches...
Sens have a wealth of top 6 forwards to compete for jobs for this year and years to come…never a bad thing to have internal competition for jobs, solid 3rd and 4th lines…up and coming defense core and stable goaltending…seems the rebuild years have just gotten alot shorter.
Leafs fans take note.
This is how to rebuild quickly. Going out and signing every old guy off the street is not.
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I desperately want Murray to say in the press conference
…that it was the play of Brian Lee that made Rundblad expendable.
by TheGuineaPig on Dec 17, 2011 3:54 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I would love this
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by Ryan Classic on Dec 17, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
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by Ryan Classic on Dec 17, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
his game confidence went up like crazy in the past 3 games.
seeing him bringing up teh puck to the blueline is great…but not rundblad.
Full article up
Let’s move the talk over there.
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