Silver Nuggets: Should Mika Zibanejad be playing in IIHF Under 20 Championships?
As many in Canada begin to obsess over a hockey tournament for kids aged 19 and under, I can't help but think that Mika Zibanejad would be better served staying in the Elitserien. The tournament runs from 26 December to 5 January in Alberta. Djurgarden's next seven games are on the 22nd, 26th, 28th, 30th, 5th, 7th and 10th. Should Sweden make the gold medal (or bronze medal) game, Zibanejad will likely miss the first six games. Depending on the travel and fatigue, he might miss a seventh game on the 10th as well.
When Zibanejad went back to Sweden, he struggled to get on the score sheet for the first few weeks before finally getting into a groove. In his first six games in the Elitserien this season, he had one point in six games, but he had five points in the last seven. Travelling back to Canada and playing with a whole new set of teammates and then coming back again to Sweden could slow his development down. In addition, wouldn't playing in the Elitserien against grown men be better for his development as an NHL player next year than playing against kids?
This situation is a little similar to that of Robin Lehner last year. He wasn't getting a lot of games, and then he left the AHL to play for Sweden and returned to spend the majority of the season as a backup. Were it not for Barry Brust struggling in the playoffs, it really could have been a wasted year of development for Lehner last season. It was a stop and start season for Lehner and it could be similar for Zibanejad.
Zibanejad won't be the only Senator at the tournament. Mark Stone will play for Canada and Shane Prince might play for the Americans, but both are currently only playing against junior players right now. Fredrik Claesson is also leaving Djurgarden, but at least he has played there the whole season and he is a few years from the NHL anyway.
The Under 20 World Championships is a good tournament though I believe it is hyped far too much and overrated. The competition has to be inferior to that of the Elitserien. This is not to say that Zibanejad's season will be ruined, but doesn't it make more sense for him to be playing for Djurgarden?
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While I agree that the tournament could be disruptive to the roll Zibanejad is on
I think that playing against some less skilled competition could also be good for him to continue to develop the confidence he has recently gained. It has been a while since Zibanejad has played against competition that he has the potential to dominate against. Not to mention that he will play a very important role on the team and will be counted on for leadership on that team.
Yes there is a downside to him playing in the tournament, however, there is also an upside that shouldn’t be discounted. Having the opportunity to compete for a championship in a short period of time in sudden death games can be an invaluable experience that can be drawn upon later in his career.
As far a Lehner’s experience goes, he was also hurt for much of the early part of the season and struggled to gain mid-season form as a result of that. I wouldn’t blame Lehner’s lack of playing time when he returned from the World Junior championship solely on the fact that he played in the tournament. Brust was playing brilliantly in goal at the time and that helped to determine Lehner’s diminished role as well.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
These are all good points. There are certainly some positives. Zibanejad himself would probably enjoy showcasing himself as well.
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by Adnan on Dec 15, 2011 1:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What's best
It’s really hard to say what’s best for Z’jad. If he is worthy of his draft selection, he should be dominant in the World Juniors.
From what I saw of him, he needs to learn to play offensively, whereas most gifted scorers need to learn what he’s already good at… the defensive side of the game. He seemed to be deathly afraid of making a mistake and being out of position while he was here.
So I’d say he’d be better off dominating offensively at the WJC if he can. I judged that he would have been better off this year playing the North American game rather than the Swedish Elite sideways less physical style that they are known for, but he chose the comfortable Swedish game that he knows so well.
Also, purely on a selfish level, I just want to see him play.
He didn't choose comfortable anything
He isn’t eligible for the AHL and Ottawa didn’t feel he was NHL ready. Where else could he play?
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by Adnan on Dec 15, 2011 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's a very good point
I do want to see some offence from him. Murray drafted him 6th because he saw offensive potential there along with defensive responsibility. Playing in the SEL and NHL, he hasn’t scored much, and it’s important for him to rack up some points rather than play a checking role.
Let him play
By all accounts, Sweden’s team won’t be all that strong this year, and Zibanejad is expected to play a starring role. Leading your national team in a high-pressure tournament where every game is extremely important? I can’t see how that would hinder his development. And while some of the other countries might represent weaker competition than Z-bad regularly sees in the SEL, you could hardly say that about top teams like Canada, the U.S., Finland, and Russia. Plus, the tournament is being played in Alberta, and therefore on NHL-sized ice.
I think an Elitserien club would beat a Canadian team of 17-19 year olds
The Canadians are more talented sure, but they are too young to provide the same competition.
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by Adnan on Dec 15, 2011 1:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Interesting
Set it up, take bets. I’ll hold the $!
I bet it’d be closer than you may think. Much of it I believe would depend on olympic ice vs NA ice.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
Where exactly is Kelly going to play on this team?
not sure where they will put him, but I’d play him 3rd or 4th line centre, as well as on the penalty kill.
Where would Zack Smith play then?
Kelly is going to put up great offensive numbers playing on a great team and he will probably get $3 to $3.5 million a year for it.
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by Adnan on Dec 15, 2011 1:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't see a situation where Chris Kelly comes back
We traded him for assets because we had a younger, cheaper version of him in Zack Smith. In short, as much as we love him, his role has been filled. There’s no room at the inn.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
Hard to say
It’s hard to say what teams will be willing to pay for Kelly. If he continues on the pace he is on and scores 30 goals, yes, some idiot GM will give him $3 million, but if he tails off as expected, it’s hard to say.
There is room on this team for Kelly if he comes in at a reasonable rate. We can always a good defensive player with some offensive upside, since our GA is where it is.
Yeah he's due for a raise
Seing him with like a dozen goals already in Boston, and wearing an A, I wish we’d gotten more for him now!
Let him play.
He’ll have many seasons to play professionally from now on. This is (I believe) one of the last time he’ll be able to. The kid should relish the chance to represent his country, and I wouldn’t want to take that away from him.
Okay the votes show I am a bit crazy ;)
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I want to take my vote back
Just so you aren’t alone in your vote…
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
I don't see how playing hockey against different styles can be bad
Jared Cowen played in the WJCs and he’s turning out all right.
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That's irrelevant
Cowen increased the level of his competition by playing in it. Zibanejad would not. Also, a player turning out okay doesn’t mean the alternative isn’t better.
I am also not particularly sure why all the Swedish clubs allow this. They only have him for a year to begin with.
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I don't feel that it's irrelevant
I also don’t feel that Cowen increased the level of his competition in his last year. He was dominating the WHL at that point. And while the SEL is obviously better competition than the WHL, I still don’t see how exposing Mikachu to different styles of play is going to hurt his development.
The tournament is almost akin to training camp when I think about it. New linemates, new coach, and new competition for a short period of time before you return to your regular season team.
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You don’t think Cowen played against better players in U20 world championships than staying in WHL for those 2 weeks?
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Whoops, I misunderstood you
I meant Cowen’s individual level of competition, not his opponents’. I’d have to agree that he probably faced better players in the tournament.
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WJC
It would be great to see Stone, Prince and Zibanejad each lead their team to a medal in the tournament. I’d personally prefer Canada-Sweden-USA, but we’ll see.
Not sure. Looks real to me, ha.
I say it on Chesnokov’s twitter the other day and he got it from some other guy.
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Nope. Maybe it's because I am at work. Boo
by Los Blancos Chicca on Dec 15, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Oh FFS
Just tell us what it is …
Is this a nasty (but pretty funny) prank?
It was there, now it's gone
It was a screenshot of Luongo being interviewed. His shirt had the letters “ucks” on it, and there was a mic with an “S” held in just the right way in front of it.
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And more funnies
From Pension Plan Puppets
Check out this player’s bio in a New England men’s hockey league
Bio:
PLAYER KICKED OUT OF LEAGUE FOR DEFECATING IN OPPONENT’S GLOVE FOLLOWING A FIGHT ON THE ICE.
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I think international play is extremely valuable
It’s an honour to represent your country, and the experience of competing at that high of a level can’t be understated.
Even if the level of hockey at the WJCs is lower than the SEL, I think playing on North American ice, against a bunch of future NHLers, is a very, very worthwhile experience, and is better for him than staying in Sweden. The few weeks he misses of SEL hockey won’t hinder his development. But I do think going to the WJCs can advance a player’s development, for sure.
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Agree with you on all accounts
International should rule
See, this has the potential to be so much funnier.
SO MUCH FUNNIER.
I really hope they do a Michalek response ad now.
Michalek's ad is up
http://video.senators.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=769&id=142726
He makes some good points…
by spez_dispenser on Dec 16, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
This is a strong campaign
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by Mark Parisi on Dec 16, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
He doesn't like Nickelback?
He’s got my vote x 1,000,000
by The Dutch Treat on Dec 16, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, what witty and unprecedented commentary
I mean com’mon could there be an easier target than Cherry? Making fun of a 77 year old man is not difficult and shouldn’t be gratifying. One thing you can say for Grapes though is he still has more Cup rings than Vancouver.
Distinction necessary
Making fun of 77 year old man struggling to make it up some stairs makes you an asshole.
A 77 year old bigot who is given taxpayer money to wear a loud jacket, stand on a soapbox, and yell nonsense? Giv’er. Cherry is a controversial public figure, and whatever his good traits (and he has them), he’s a perfectly appropriate object of criticism or satire.
by RogerTheShrubber on Dec 16, 2011 8:12 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure if the irony was intended...
But grapes doesn’t have any cup rings.
by SuckItTrebek on Dec 16, 2011 8:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
anytime I think of present/future stars of our team representing their country...
I think of this….
"I couldn't score in a brothel...couldn't finish a sandwich"
- Joe Corvo
damn you Safari.
it’s Hasek tearing his ‘adductor’ in ’06…
"I couldn't score in a brothel...couldn't finish a sandwich"
- Joe Corvo
30 odd games in to the season
I’ve decided that Zibanejad definitely could have stuck with the big club. Especially in lieu of Da Costa.
It’s easy. Look at each goal Zibanejad scored in the preseason. Goal scorers goals, every one of ’em, even including his disallowed goal. I mean, he led the preseason team in goal scoring, and he competed physically.
Ottawa certainly wouldn’t have been worse off with Da Costa in Binghamton and Zibanejad with Alfie.
We'll see
So far with Z’jad we’re hoping but he has not shown too many indications that he can or will score goals at the NHL level. He’s a prospect like several others. Our management is hoping that we didn’t make a big mistake bypassing Coutourier in favour of the Swede.
We’ll see how he develops. In the meantime we should keep setting ourselves up with several other options at the #2 Center position, as we can never have enough top six talent.
It’ll be interesting to see how Z’jad fares in the WJC.
Vancouver fans
….suck.
That is all. If you had to read their insipid commentary during the last Sens-Nucks game on HFBoards, you’d quickly realize they are one of the most uneducated in hockey fanbases in the country.
Not to mention, the riots…
by The Dutch Treat on Dec 16, 2011 11:12 AM EST reply actions
It's that sense of entitlement
Plus the fact that their team is a bunch of whiny diving cheapshot artists. I don’t like Montreal fans, but the team is at least a skilled team that when you lose you go “it was a good game.” Vancouver? I hate that team.
That's pretty much any HF Board, I find.
I read Pass It to Bulis, which is an excellent Canucks blog. I’m still not a big fan of the team, but PITB is too good to pass up.
by Pmoron on Dec 16, 2011 12:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

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