Silver Nuggets: Can Kaspars Daugavins stick with Ottawa permanently?
by Adnan on Nov 7, 2011 1:01 PM EST
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When Kaspars Daugavins was called up, the expectations were largely that he will get a few games until Daniel Alfredsson comes back. However, Daugavins has played well in his six games with Ottawa. He is responsible defensively and has been very useful on the penalty kill. He averages 1:46 of penalty kill time, which is fifth among Senators forwards. It is worth mentioning though, that the Senators have taken 22 penalties in the six games Daugavins has played (3.67 penalties per game) and 46 in the nine games he hasn't played (5.11 penalties per game). Daugavins has been a regular on the penalty kill, albeit on the second unit.
In the games that Daugavins has played, the Senators penalty kill has only allowed one goal while Daugavins was on the ice and four goals in total. To put it another way, the Senators penalty kill has been 18/22 for 81.8% in games when Daugavins plays and 33/46 for 71.7% in the nine games he hasn't played. Of course, Daugavins hasn't improved the penalty kill all by himself, but he's certainly performed well on it.
Beyond the penalty kill, Daugavins isn't completely one dimensional. He's created a few scoring chances already in his short stint and he had 54 points in 73 games with Binghamton last year as well as 20 points in 23 playoff games.
When Daniel Alfredsson returns, will Kaspars Daugavins keep his place?
General Sens News
- Nikita Filatov was sent back to Binghamton this morning. In his four games since his return, Filatov wasn't on the ice for any goals for or against. He wasn't really given a chance to perform, but he didn't screw up either. About as well as he could have done given his ice time and linemates. (Ottawa Senators)
- The Phoenix Coyotes are adamant that Kyle Turris will not be traded before he signs a contract. Hooray to not overpaying for him! (Ottawa Sun)
- Jason Spezza leads the NHL in face-offs taken and has a pretty good rate of winning them too. Also Wojtek Wolski has been placed on injured reserve, so he will not play on Wednesday in Ottawa. (Ottawa Sun)
- Daniel Alfredsson is skating and making progress. No timetable for a return though. (Ian Mendes)
- Yet another article on Erik Karlsson's upcoming contract extension. Tyler Myers got 7-years and $38.5 million, will Erik Karlsson be in that range? There have been a lot of good defencemen taken in the 2008 draft class and Karlsson just might be the best of them after Drew Doughty. (Ottawa Citizen)
- The 6th Sens take a look at some of their favourite Senators pests, the Sens treatment of Nikita Filatov and the rising trade value of Filip Kuba. (The 6th Sens)
- After David Rundblad was a healthy scratch for the second game in a row, Jared Crozier asks if the Senators are showcasing Brian Lee for a trade partner. (Senshot)
- In a move that made David Rundblad likely think "That God I was traded out of there", the St. Louis Blues fired Davis Payne and hired Ken Hitchcock. (Yahoo!)
- Georges Laraque thinks the NHL has a doping problem. (Yahoo!)
- Staying with him, after Laraque called Wayne Gretzky the worst coach he's played for, Darren Pang had an entertaining twitter fight with Georges. (Yahoo!)
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Why are you suggesting bumping centres for a winger?
I know Winchester’s been playing the wing but both he and Konopka are centres.
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Hasn't Winchester been playing on the wing?
So if you keep Konopka, it would be
Greening-Spezza-Michalek
Foligno-Da Costa-Alfie
Condra-Z. Smith-Neil
Daugavins – Konopka – Butler
vs
Daugavins – Winchester – Butler
Unless Daugavins can move onto the left, and Foligno gets bumped down and they try Daugavins – Da Costa – Alfie?
Yeah he has
Hence
I know Winchester’s been playing the wing
And Daugavins is a left wing, I believe.
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Huh. I figured he was right since he fit into Alfie's spot.
But maybe Alfie/Daugavins with Da Costa centering them would work? Blend of skills, speed and vision?
I'd be interested to see it
It’s in the line combinations I suggested below.
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I would bench Konopka.
Greening-Spezza-Michalek
Butler-Da Costa-Alfredsson
Foligno-Smith-Neil
Daugavins-Winchester-Condra
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by Adnan on Nov 7, 2011 1:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't want to break up ZSmith and Condra since they're doing well together
But I wouldn’t mind seeing:
Greening-Spezza-Michalek
Daugavins-Da Costa-Alfredsson
Condra-Smith-Neil
Butler-Winchester-Foligno.
Oh Captain, my Captain!
This seems pretty short sighted
Moving a proven 20 goal scorer and the prospect we had the highest hopes for going into the season to the fourth line seems dumb. Add that to the fact that Foligno is currently playing on line 2 and we’re doing all of this for a guy who has played a total of 7 NHL games and looks ok, but not great. This seems like some Cory Clouston type line juggling.
by ojc on Nov 7, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't say for the long-term
I just think it’d be interesting to try. Putting Daugavins on the second line is not about to happen long-term, but I see some potential and would like to see them try it out.
But thanks for calling me dumb. I take it you mean Swedish dumb like Lehner meant and didn’t really mean to insult me?
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I said it seems dumb, leaving it as a personal opinion open to being changed and not at all indicative of the person saying, it merely the plan. It’s true that line juggling could unearth a hidden treasure, but I worry more about the detrimental effect on our prospects who are supposed to be filling those roles. 18-22 year old males are a difficult breed to predict what they will do. Maybe it is best to put our eggs in the sturdier, more trust worthy basket instead of the upstart, out of nowhere basket? Then again maybe we just always dress whoever has the hot hand? I prefer the first idea personally.
by ojc on Nov 7, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
I remember being an 18-22 year old male.
I had no idea what I was going to do next. I surprised myself sometimes!
Who's in that category?
Da Costa is 22, Condra is 25, ZSmith is 23, Greening is 25, Butler is 24, Daugavins is 23, Foligno is 24 and Winchester is 28. Oh and Filatov is 21.
So was that comment talking about Filatov and Da Costa then? And I’ll bet that experience with 18-22 year old males in general doesn’t always translate to 18-22 year old hockey players. Especially not in the case of Da Costa, who’s been in North America at least since 2006-07, seeing his family like twice a year and who moved to Texas without knowing a word of English.
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Well
It’s also an option that only makes sense if the team doesn’t think they’ll make a playoff spot. If you’re going for the playoffs, stick with what’s working and all that. If you’re in a rebuild, while you obviously don’t try to lose, you can also play your lines more evenly and risk switching everything around to see what happens. Maybe it pays off and we find lines that click, or maybe it improves our draft pick. But if you evened out the ice time among the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines, I think there’s potential chemistry in what I suggested and I’d like to see it tried out.
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absolutely
Greening-Spezza-Michalek
Butler-Da Costa-Alfredsson
Foligno-Smith-Neil
Daugavins-Winchester-Condra
Are all great lines IMO
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I would follow the same line of thought. Let’s keep him as a PK killer 3-4th line player for now and see where he goes. For me he is a pleasant suprise. I didn’t except him to be NHL ready, i thought he was more KHL ready (and gone).
by Bikini Cowboy on Nov 8, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
I really don't know what's going to happen with Daugavins.
He’s talented for sure and I like having him in the lineup, I just don’t know if we have the room for him. Especially since Filatov’s already in Bingo, and presumably will draw into the second line in a while if he keeps improving and if Butler doesn’t.
I kind of feel like we just don’t have room for Daugavins until/unless we trade someone.
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We have too many players
Time to trade quantity for quality.
Patience
Or be patient and let the good prospects become real players. Trading does not bring any guarantees that what we are getting will be better that what we have got.
To be really deep with prospects is something that every team craves. Successful rebuilding means lots of young blooming talent. Some will develop quickly… some slowly… some not very much.
Nobody is going to give us quality just for quantity. They will ask for our highest quality young players in return for an older one that they want to get rid of for one reason or another… often because he is grossly overpaid.
I’d rather stick with the prospects until we are ready to contend and we are not there yet.
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I think he plays a serious calm and cool style. No panic and not afraid to go to the tough places. He’s also got great vision and hands and, given the chance, could produce some points. I don’t understand what the upside of Winchester is. He’s decent at lots but that’s about it. I’m a firm believer in Senate Reform and think is The Rooster shows flashes and can PK like he can (he’s much younger than Winch) that he should stay up.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 7, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
Rooster stays
It’s too bad but Butler just doesn’t seem to fit into the Stache’s way of doing things. I haven’t seen enough of Winchester to judge, but we sure do need a PK guy. Even though we were OK at first on the PK, without Kelly it eventually caught up to us.
I hope that the Rooster stays.
Daugavins should stay in Ottawa
He is too useful a player not to have him in the line-up. He can play on anything from the 2nd to the 4th line and contribute. I don’t see any reason to demote him. I would think about sending Butler to Bingo for a short refresher on where the net is. He might have a one-way contract, but it won’t cost that much to send him down for a few weeks.
Speaking of money
I heard some twitter rumour that we will get a new scoreboard during the upcoming 6-game road trip. Anyone hear of this from a real source?
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Lehner + paint+ people= war;) good times At the arena!
I don’t think the third person will ever get old for me.
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You know what – I just had an image pop into my head of Lehner showing up in war paint when the Sens make the Stanley Cup Final.
And it wasn’t weird at all.
I heard Phil Jackson used to break out a drum to motivate players.
I can imagine Lehner banging a drum while Rooster says MY NAME IS KASPARS! BANG BANG THEY CALL ME ROOSTER BANG BANG I LIKE TO SHOOT BANG BANG …. OH NO LEHNER SHOT KASPARS!! LEHNER THOUGHT HE WAS HUNTING!
More like wearing Sens "ice camouflage" goalie gear
as in hunting for opposing forwards.
I can imagine him dressing up as a goalpost. All white with a red stripe down the middle.
And then bodychecking any forwards who come close to him – Thomas style.
It would be kind of awesome.
Channeling his inner Frolunda Indian with a little pre-game war paint. (I realize that is probably offensive, but try and tell Lehner that.)
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 7, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think painting his face military style would be offensive.
What are you suggesting would be :P
Jeebus!
According to that equation, it must have been hell to be in his kindergarten art class
by Desario is a freak on Nov 7, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rooster is definitely proving to be an NHLer.
I think we’re getting to the point where Filatov either does the work required or he’s done. I saw a few flashes of good stuff from him, and a few moments where he seemed to give up on the play. I suspect this is why he’s not given much ice time, and didn’t play in the shootout.
I really hope he gets it together.
by Pmoron on Nov 7, 2011 2:55 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
According to MacLean, the problem for Filatov right now is confidence
by B_T on Nov 7, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Did I miss all the times Murray or Clouston or Hartsburg gave this level of detail in interviews?
It just feels different.
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That's not my impression of the Filatov callup at all
My impression is that he was called up before they thought he was ready to come back (hence the reassignment) out of worry that Konopka would get suspended. When Konopka didn’t, they figured they’d give him a couple of games to prove them wrong or to make the callup worth it or whatever, then sent him back to finish learning what they want him to learn.
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Yeah I think it was a bad circumstance. I don't think they wanted him back
But since they weren’t sure about Konopka, they hedged their bets. And when nothing happened, they “had” to play Filatov rather than let him sit. Which is nice of them – they could have sent him back immediately.
If they wanted someone to play in Konopka’s 4th line spot, should have called up O’Brien or someone.
Should have given him a better chance if they were going to call him up.
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Maybe they thought he might be ready or might not?
Called him up partly to see?
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Didn’t really try and find out if he is ready by playing him with Winchester/Konopka/Condra though.
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It's been said before, but
It’s up to him to earn a higher spot in the lineup. Other players have done better on the fourth line and fought their way up. I’m not saying it helped his play, but it’s up to him to earn more and to make the most of the opportunity.
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Examples?
Who exactly has fought from the 4th line with 5-8 minutes a night, to get themselves onto the 2nd or 1st line deservedly? Butler looked awful on the 4th line, ditto for DaCosta on the 4th line.
It’s incumbent upon the team and coaching to put players in a position to succeed, and for them to seize the opportunity they are given. I would argue that playing Filatov in a situation that is the complete opposite of his skill set is setting him up to fail, or at least tread water.
Unless of course they were expecting Filatov to turn Konopka into Corey Perry, and Winchester into… I have no clue.
None of Foligno, DaCosta or Butler have “earned” their top-6 minutes, they merely have the luck of injuries and past performance going for them.
Hang on, I have to sift through the posts from the past week.
This could take a bit.
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Greening maybe? I don’t know how well he did on 4th line, but he’s a big guy and is the type of guy who can succeed on bottom lines. Filatov is a skill guy and his skillset doesn’t translate well on that.
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Take your time.
I literally couldn’t drag a single example of someone from a 4th line that had legitimate staying power in a top 6 role.
Although wasn’t Colin Greening on the 4th line at some point?
Daugavins
I think Daugavins is a pretty obvious example of a guy who worked his butt off on the fourth line (and in practice, which is another major place where players can earn scoring line opportunities). He pretty quickly got onto the third and even at times second line as well as getting chances to play on the penalty kill.
K,
From this post, specifically havey03 referring to Donovan and McAmmond doing a lot more with their fourth line minutes than what Filatov has done. Maybe I misspoke saying that players have fought their way up, but I stand by my position that other players have done a hell of a lot more with fourth line minutes and that Filatov needs to earn his opportunities just like everybody else.
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Yeah but his point was, that current players on the top six didn’t fight their way to the top six, they were tried out.
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Well my point originally was in response to you.
Even if they could have given him more of a shot playing him with Da Costa instead of Winchester, I’m still just saying he could’ve done more with the opportunity he got. Didn’t he only have 3 shots in his 4-game callup? That’s not entirely his linemates or his ice time.
Plus I’d argue that our top 6 have earned their spots. Foligno’s shown flashes of brilliance in his past seasons and has had some great games on that line, Butler I think earned a solid shot in the top 6 because of his play last season, and Da Costa also showed flashes of brilliance in the preseason (plus seriously who else are you going to play there right now?). All of them have earned it more than Filatov has, IMO.
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I don't want to re-hash the big Foligno discussion...
But why not try him as the 2nd line center? I’ve admittedly soured on DaCosta right now, he’s just getting muscled off the puck on a consistent basis, and it’s clear he needs to go to the AHL to get some strength training and conditioning in.
What about…
Filatov – Foligno – Butler
Filatov – Foligno – Alfie
or as it stands now..
Daugavins – Foligno – Butler
?
I can't remember if I've ever seen Foligno as a centre and frankly that makes me really nervous about it.
What the hell, it’s worth a try for a game. But realistically, we can’t do that yet because if it doesn’t work, we’ll be reassigning Da Costa for like two games and calling him back up because we need him to play centre. That, and after MacLean’s comments I really think FIlatov needs a bit of time in the AHL. It’s something to try in like a month when Regin is almost ready to come back so we have a fallback plan if it fails miserably.
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Is Tyler Seguin an example?
This time last year Boston took heat for giving him low minutes on the bottom lines. People were saying they should have sent him to the A but that seems to have worked out.
by anothersensfan on Nov 8, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
Shopping Lee Around
I really hope/doubt that Lee is being shopped around right now. I seem to be the only person saying it just yet, but in the years to come if something isn’t done, we’re going to be a lot more shallow on defence. Carkner and Kuba are UFAs and are unlikely to be here next year. Gonchar’s gone sooner or later, whether it’s this year or next. After that? Weircioch, Gryba and Borocop just don’t seem to me like they’ll ever be full time NHLers, but Lee does. He’s the kind of good young guy we’re going to want for defensive depth when we come out of the rebuild in a couple of years.
You're far from the only person saying it, actually.
But Brian Lee is not the only answer to Ottawa’s blue line needs. From what I’ve seen, his ceiling is average – not bad, but nothing exceptional either. That, plus the fact that there’s so much baggage that I doubt the majority of fans will ever be completely won over by him, means he’s entirely replaceable as far as I’m concerned. Like you said (and presumably didn’t actually mean), I hope they’re shopping him.
I know Kuba won’t stay, but I don’t know why everyone’s assuming Carkner will leave. He’s older and obviously is having health issues right now, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him sign back on for a couple of years, especially if BMur feels that some of our D prospects need a bit more time to make the NHL. He was good last season, if I remember correctly.
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I like Lee
I think he could be a top 4 guy. He could probably even be the “lesser partner” with Karlsson on the top pairing.
So I too hope we don’t trade him. Kuba is definitely gone after this season and I would certainly prefer Lee over Carkner.
Trading him now is creating short-term room without thinking of the future in my opinion.
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I know I've pointed it out before
But you’re assuming Lee wants to stay. He might decide to test the market and see if he gets an offer from a team that doesn’t sit him all the damn time.
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Yep. If he doesn’t want to stay, it is a moot point.
Though he’s an RFA, so he doesn’t really have too much say if the Sens don’t want him to go. But I would like to think if the Sens don’t plan for him to be around, they won’t give him a qualifying offer to make him an UFA and increase his chances of finding a deal.
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If the Senators move Kuba later in the season then Lee will probably start getting pretty regular minutes. I get the impression that he just wants to play, so if he is getting games I don’t see why he wouldn’t want to stay.
The thing is
He’s always the first to get scratched. If I was him, I wouldn’t be so sure that next year there won’t be some other prospect who turns out to be NHL ready and bumps me from the roster on a regular basis.
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I wonder how much Kuba is worth now
2nd rounder?
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At this point in the season? No way
But if he keeps up the play and stays healthy (TOUCHE DU BOIS!), he could be worth a 3rd. 2nd seems optimistic given the last couple of years, no matter how good he is this season.
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Wasn’t he only really bad for 1 year? Had 28 points in 53 games the season before.
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I thought he underwhelmed the year before
Or was that the year that he signed? Either way, with his injury history alone, I’m skeptical that we’d get a 2nd. At best, I’d think some sort of conditional pick that hinges on him not getting injured.
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Was even better his first year, 40 points in 71 games, had that big assist streak at the start of the year! I guess the injuries could be an issue.
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I wouldn't actually mind a conditional pick
2nd if he stays healthy or 4th if he craps out before the playoffs start. In more GM-y words.
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I think you're right. He's hasn't had a shot with this team - he might try the Campoli route
And go for a one year contract.
Although looking at how that worked out for Campoli (and how difficult it was for him) I don’t know if Lee will risk it.
It's true
And I’ll admit I’m biased. I just don’t think he’ll ever reach his full potential here because of all the baggage. It seems to me like it’s in everyone’s best interests to move him and find someone else to join our blue line next year or the year after.
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4th Line
The 4th line has been the worst I’ve ever seen it this year. I used to always like our 4th lines. The problem this year is that ther has always been a Butler, Da Costa, or Filatov on it. That’s useless. What was that one from last year? Ruutu, Winchester, and Neil was that it? Ruutu, Smith, Neil? I’m not saying that I want Neil back on the 4th, but those are the types of players we need there. It seems that the 4th line has just been thrown together – it’s the leftovers, no identity
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