Silver Nuggets: Do the Ottawa Senators have a honey badger?
Last week on Puck Daddy, Harrison Mooney looked at 'honey badger' players across the league. They're the kind of pugnacious, undersized players that most fans love to watch because they just keep going. In the past, they've been called sparkplugs. Honey badger, though, has a more storied history as a nickname than the generic sparkplug moniker.
According to Mooney, a honey badger is a player who meets these two criteria:
1. Despite being a small creature, the honey badger is pretty bad-ass.
2. The honey badger doesn't give a [excrement deleted].
So, who's the honey badgeriest player on the Ottawa Senators?
First in my mind, based on that second quality, is Zack Smith, who simply doesn't give a crap. But Zmith is 6'2" and 212 lbs; not exactly a small creature. In fact, the Senators don't have many small creatures; Daniel Alfredsson and Stephane Da Costa are both listed at 5'11" on the Senators website, making them the smallest players on the team (Erik Karlsson must have been wearing stilts on measuring day, because he apparently clocked in at 6'0"; that's laughable). Despite not being undersized, I'd also consider Chris Neil, Kaspars Daugavins, and Jesse Winchester as honey badger-type players: Not the fanciest of guys, but they work their butts off and take plenty of punishment to make things happen.
Senators headlines:
- Recaps from last night: Silver Seven | Nucks Misconduct | Ottawa Citizen | Ottawa Sun | Vancouver Province
- In the Sun recap linked above, Jesse Winchester expressed some displeasure about the Maxim Lapierre hit which, perhaps aided by some Alexandre Burrows shenanigans, knocked him through the bench door. And Paul MacLean trusted Brendan Shanahan would "do his job" about the Andrew Alberts hit-from-behind on Kaspars Daugavins.
- The Senators have one spare defenceman as it is, and will have two once Matt Carkner returns from his injury. What's more likely: A trade, or a demotion (of either Jared Cowen or David Rundblad) to Binghamton? (Sun)
- The Sens are shocking people with their strong play, but can they keep it up for the rest of the season? (Citizen)
- Binghamton finally ended their losing streak on Friday night with a 4-2 win over the Hamilton Bulldogs. Nikita Filatov had two goals (including the game winner) and an assist. (Press & Sun Bulletin)
- Sens draft pick Shane Prince had 2G and 2A in the 67's 5-2 win over Mississauga. (Citizen)
NHL headlines:
- JoNana with a terrific article on why visors should be made mandatory in the NHL. Here's the long and short of it: "Visor? Don’t lose an eye. No visor? Possibly lose an eye." (Backhand Shelf)
- Sidney Crosby makes his comeback tonight. Instead of constantly hearing injury updates, now we'll be forced to hear constant scoring updates as he climbs toward (and, I predict, overtakes) the league scoring lead. (Citizen)
- Anders Lindback is a really good goalie, I think. But he's not going to spend the next seven years in Pekka Rinne's shadow in Nashville. Is he on the trade block? His contract is up after this season, but he's still an RFA. If he's dealt, it will take a lot to get him. (On The Forecheck)
- Safe to say that Chris Pronger makes his team better. I could have said that anyway, but this Corsi chart really underlines how much. (Broad Street Hockey)
- This Bruce Boudreau-Alex Ovechkin thing kind of reminds me of the Cory Clouston-Dany Heatley rift, if a lot more public. Except this time, I doubt the coach will come out on top. (Puck Daddy)
- An all-Canadian division isn't likely to happen. To be honest, I'd prefer not to have one. (Globe and Mail)
- Ilya Bryzgalov felt so bad for this poor kid in Winnipeg (you know, the city with no parks?) that he gave him his hockey stick after the game. (Puck Daddy)
Finally, here's a video to enjoy: Alex Auld post-game last night. Siiiiiiick moustache. Too bad the team couldn't get the win for him, though; he sounds like he would have really loved to get one in Vancouver.
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Gotta go with Neil
Mainly because of all the bitching I hear from fans of other teams. Especially Habs fans.
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You don't really think Crosby's going to overtake the scoring lead, do you?
It wouldn’t surprise me if he had the best point-per-game pace in the league, but to overcome missing a quarter of the season to take the scoring title is pretty much impossible.
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I honestly think he could
Sixty games to make up 30 points isn’t an easy task, but he finished last season with 66P in 41GP alone. Extrapolating that pace (which I think he could at least match this season), and he’d have 99.8 points; round up to 100 points, and that’s not far off D. Sedin’s pace from last year. Add in a few more points for good measure, and I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if Crosby did it.
I would be amazed, but not surprised.
(Also, I can’t deny that suggesting Crosby would win the scoring race in Silver Nuggets made me happy because I knew it would piss Adnan off.)
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 21, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
First you fire me from nuggets...
Then you openly try and piss me off in them!
What’s next Peter? When will it end?
If only I had a chance in the next game-day thread to be venomous and such… :D
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I have a tough time thinking he just jumps back into the fray and picks up production levels pre-injury. I know he’s in his prime, but I just can’t see him jumping up to 1.5 ppg like turning on a light switch. Players go through funks all the time, run hot and cold. I just have a tough time believing even a player as talented as Crosby could just hop on the ice as if the last 10 months never happened.
by modsuperstar on Nov 21, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
That's just it though
They run hot and cold. He only had 3 points in his first 5 games last season – definitely cold for Crosby, but still ended up with 1.61 P/G overall.
He's been on the ice for 5 weeks. It isn't like he's lacing up the skates for the first time
It wouldn’t surprise me to see him at that level.
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Everyone thinks they have enough.
I'll agree with you if he were to miss the last 20 games
but he’s coming back now after missing play since last January?(Is it). That means he has to get back into the swing of things. On the other hand, if he had not missed half of last and the first 20 games this season, he could conceivably score enough in the first 62 (& miss the next 20 games) to win.
by whatsinaname on Nov 21, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
He could get back into the swing pretty quick, though
He was cleared for contact over a month ago, and as far as we know he could have been conditioning since then. It’s not like this will be his first time on ice since January. Sure, there are lots of players who struggle to find their groove after being out for as long as he was, or longer. There are also players who come back from being out as long or longer and just about fly out of the gates, or at least get back to similar form shortly after.
It may take him a few games, but like I said – he wasn’t exactly quick to start last season, either.
Being in shape is different from game conditions
but if anyone can do it, it’s Crosby.
by whatsinaname on Nov 21, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Well, he's been practicing with the team as well
I get what you’re saying, but if he’s been completely clear of symptoms for that long, it might only take a handful of games for him to find his groove again. I don’t think anyone reasonable expects him to be back to full form tonight, or even this week. But if it goes well, December might not be out of the question.
He'll have to score at a clip of around 1.7 points assuming
Kessel keeps up his pace. And judging from after the first period tonight…3 points, maybe Crosby won’t have a problem overtaking the lead if he plays all remaining 62 games.
by whatsinaname on Nov 21, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh...
I’m already over all this Crosby talk. He’s a great hockey player sure… But as a person I find him whiny and incredibly annoying. It’s like the second coming, for crying out loud!
It was nice to have a few playoff rounds without him diving or crying because the calls weren’t going his way.
by Pmoron on Nov 21, 2011 8:28 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
Haha, I 'm so in agreement.
Crosby this, Crosby that, day in, day out. I wonder how much of that is the press and not Crosby’s doing. But he is whinny.
by whatsinaname on Nov 21, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Given that Crosby is the best player in the game right now
I think that he deserves most of the credit for how much people talk about him.
As for the whining, he was whiny—when he was 18-19 years old. I’ve noticed a significant change in his maturity in that regard over the last couple seasons.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 22, 2011 7:21 AM EST up reply actions
No doubt about being the best player
4 points in the 1st game back, wow, how can you not want to talk about him? Even a reporter wrote about how tired he was of reading or hearing the every day (prior to last night) updates to Crosby’s health status. I guess some people cared while others didn’t, but Crosby didn’t write those stories.
by whatsinaname on Nov 22, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
It annoys the hell out of me.
The best part about the last few months has been how the story has been the team. No one player has dominated the talk unless they did something stupid, and even then it got dropped pretty quickly.
But now? Every night the Pens play it’ll be the Crosby show. If he scores, it’ll be how great he is. If he doesn’t? It’ll be that the concussion slowed him down.
Heaven forbid he has a cold streak. Or misses a shootout. The press will lose their mind.
This is a great point
To me, the story through his injury was the team. They played absolutely incredibly while their best player was on IR, and barely even missed a beat. That’s amazing.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 22, 2011 7:21 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I think Down Goes Brown joked about how when Crosby comes back it means the Penguins will finally have someone to centre the fourth line.
Kudos to the Penguins, and Dan Bylsma, for sustaining so high a level of play when their top players were out (in Crosby’s case, for a long time). We all saw how poorly the Sens fared last season when Spezza was hurt (thanks to the Penguins, come to think of it).
Absolutely. Rather than commending a team that has been built to win championships
They’re just running with the Crosby stories. It’s lazy and doesn’t give the rest of the team the credit they deserve.
not to mention
currently Phil Kessel leads the league in points. He is a notoriously streaky player. Maybe he has turned the corner on that (this would be considered a rather long streak), but its not like usual point monsters (like the Sedins) are up at the top running away with it.
I also think it's totally within the realm of possibility
Crosby finally transcended the league last season. He was head and shoulders above the rest of the crop of superstars… and then the injury bug bit hard. Sounds like another Penguin superstar, doesn’t it?
If you look at how his former teammate/housemate fared after being on the shelf for extended periods of time, then all of a sudden it doesn’t seem so improbably that Sid the Kid could contend for the Art Ross. It’s all in his head from here on in.
He won't be even close
Spezza will have more points than Crosby this season.
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by Adnan on Nov 21, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd take that bet
What’s the wager?
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 21, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
You have to wear a Dean McAmmond jersey to your wedding!
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That is, quite obviously, a non-starter
No deal.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 21, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
I learned from yesterday
Reasonable bets lead me to having to potentially cheer pathetic things like hockey fights.
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Ha! True. :P
Nikki already doesn’t like me for ruining her Sens elimination song. :(
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No, she wouldn't waste time killing you
I’d be the one getting killed in this instance.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 21, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
But if you actually tried that, you kind of deserve it.....
There’s Adnan suggesting a ridiculous bet, and then there’s wearing a hockey jersey to your own wedding when you know it will displease the bride.
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Come on Adnan, look at last years numbers
Spezza was outscored by Crosby last year with a very similar discrepancy in games played
I don’t see him scoring at that pace again.
And to think he could do even better than that to win the art ross? That’s just crazy talk.
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by Adnan on Nov 21, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He doesn't need to do better
He just needs to match that pace, and have Kessel and Giroux (a) slow down or (b) miss 10+ games.
He was 18th last season, and missed half the season
If he matches the same pace from last season, and if he plays all remaining Pens games, he’d land around 48 goals and 51 assists.
Both are big “Ifs”, but if everyone else keeps their current pace and play all 82 games (also big ifs), that puts him only behind Kessel for goals on the season, and behind Kessel and Giroux for total points.
Also
I don’t think Cowen would be sent to Binghamton. I think the Paulrus likes him too much.
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I don't think he would be, either
But of the eight defencemen there are, it’s bound to be between him and Rundblad, no?
Basically, all that is to say that Rundblad would go down.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 21, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
I imagine he's working on it
I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s got one worked out, but is waiting until Carkner’s injury is up. A team needs seven defencemen, I think, and the Sens can’t, at this point, take another body out of Binghamton.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 21, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I would be really suprised in BM were thinking about moving a d-man at this point
-Right now there is no defensive depth with the BSens as they are suffering so many injuries. So if there is an injury here, there is no one to call up.
-Last season the Canucks used 12 different defensemen on their NHL roster due to injuries, which shows you can never really have enough. The potential to be injured is very real.
-There is no cap crunch, so there is no pressing need to move salary.
-If you move one of Lee or Carkner in a trade now, who is there to fil in when Gonchar & Kuba are being shopped at the deadline? – The teams who will be making a cup run and looking for defensive depth don’t really have the cap space to make a play for one of those players this early.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
I'd be really surprised if he wasn't thinking about it, to be honest
There’s nothing to say he can only shop defensemen at the deadline, and we already have one more than we need. I imagine he’s been entertaining the idea of who to trade and what he could get for them since Cowen and Rundblad both made the roster at the end of the preseason. I’m not saying he’s in discussions, but if he’s half the GM I saw last February, he’s been weighing his options all season long, and possibly even quietly working out some possibilities.
Realistically, Bingo’s depth does nothing to change our moves up here. All that matters is if there’s someone BMur feels can handle the call up, but you don’t hold off on a trade because the resulting call-up will hurt your farm team. That’s just not how things work.
Also, speaking realistically, no chance in hell that he moves Carkner now. With the guy’s age and the fact that he’s coming off of surgery, no team in the NHL is going to bite. Maybe at the deadline, but not right now. No, I’m betting it’s more likely we’ll see Kuba moved earlier than the deadline. That, or someone will finally want to take Brian Lee off our hands.
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Center depth
i think this needs attention, even if we’re to make a step forward for next year. I’m not throwing Da Costa under the bus but think he definitely needs time in the AHL (maybe another full season after this one?) and btw the injury record of Spezza and now Regin, we need a full-on full-fledged no.2. I’m happy to have a roster full of speedy developing wingers but i think we need serious work up the middle.
Oh, if only we still had Cullen…
Are you kidding?
You think Da Costa potentially needs 1 1/2 seasons in the AHL? No way. Please explain what you think requires that much work because I don’t see that at all.
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Konopka?
Konopka is shorter than all listed in the Honeybadger poll and leads the league in PIMs.
How is he not the obvious choice here?
Because honey badgers don't give hugs.
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Good point
I guess I had assumed he was a lot taller than he is… Wikipedia says he’s only 6’0". So you could certainly make the case that he’s Ottawa’s honey badger.
On the other hand—and this isn’t intended as a slight against Konopka—I think the honey badger’s got to be a little quicker than RoboKonopka.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 21, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Exception proves the rule?
The fact that you thought he was taller probably shows why he should be on the list!
Any points that he loses for speed are probably offset by the fact that he kind of looks like a badger.
Hahahaha, best argument ever
You’re right, I should have included him in the poll. But it’s too late now!
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 21, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Statement game from Filatov
So glad to see him bust the slump. Hopefully a call-up is in order.
We'll see
I could see it happen, but I think the Sens are looking for consistency from him. There was never any question that he could put up piles of points, it was whether he could contribute to his team consistently.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 21, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I hear ya
Judging from KK’s quotes though, he’s been playing the right way all along.
“He’s taking the right approach. I can’t speak to what’s going on because I haven’t talked to (Ottawa general manager) Bryan (Murray), haven’t really discussed it with Nikita. But I’m not too concerned about it, because to me his attitude has been very good, very productive. Tonight was a perfect example of that.”
I would vote for Erik Karlsson
He’s a little guy who never gives up or backs off. He actually is 9th on the team in hits too, and plays pretty physical I feel.
And he points ominously at Matt Cooke.
Though the name sounds lame, so I would never call him that.
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Wait, wait...
You’re willing to call him ‘special little guy’ but not honey badger? That’s odd, I’ve got to say.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 21, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
BACK OFF THE S.L.G.
He’s our generations Justin Kardashian.tumbler.friendster.geocities.tv!
How is anyone supposed to top Sterling Snakehouse?
by worsteverything on Nov 21, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
all i'm going to say about SLG
is i know parents who, with their kids, called their genitals their “special friend”. So for me, this ‘special little guy’ business has just got bad associations.
So, please stop the Special Llittle Guy stuff. Please.
If you’re not convinced, imagine me calling you “Special Little Guy” and decide how you feel about it.
Sorry, i just REALLY don’t like that nickname…
poor alex auld has been thrown in at the last minute against vancouver, washington and buffalo now, all away. he was great last night.
You know, it's funny
Until this year, whilst reading articles on On the Forecheck, I’d never heard of the term ‘honey badger’. They use it there as a nickname for one of the players (don’t ask me who, I don’t remember).
I think it's a fairly new thing
Since that ridiculous, hilarious video I linked to.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 21, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Dear jerks not voting for Z. Smith
I’ll kill you.
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Not nearly enough of a pest
Seriously pissing off the other team is the most important part. Just because Shannon’s small doesn’t make him a honey badger.
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Crosby off to a good start in the scoring race
If he could actually pull it off, it would be incredible.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 21, 2011 9:14 PM EST reply actions
I'm really annoyed that I decided to NOT activate him on one of my fantasy teams for tonight
HE’S ON PACE FOR 248 POINTS
is anyone else pissed about all the "NHL has changed" talk re Sid's return?
talking about the concussion/head-shot business. Folks should read Roy McGreggor’s piece in the G&M this past Saturday. He pointed to Alfie’s concussion and lack of consideration by Shannahan as one of a few examples that the NHL’s resolve to “change” is flagging, as it has done through history. Has there been any talk about a suspension for the check on Daugavins last night?
Ha! That's laughable
The NHL won’t change until GMs decide they’re willing to see their players suspended if it results in a safer league—even on accidental plays (so, hits to the head or from behind will be called more like high-sticking, without regard for intent) . They don’t seem willing to give that up yet.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 22, 2011 7:24 AM EST up reply actions
Normally, I'd criticize for letting the crowd do the coaching...
But with 1 minute left in a 5-0 game, might as well humour them
This is very off topic...
I’m a sens fan from Winnipeg and they are coming here next week for a game. I was wondering if anyone knew of any way I could figure out if/when they are practising here and if it would be open to the public? I’ve sent a few emails and a couple messages on twitter but I don’t know how else I could figure it out. Any help would be really appreciated!
I wish I could tell you
But I’m not sure. I don’t think road practices are usually open to the public, though.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 22, 2011 7:25 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think *any* practices are usually open to the public
Considering how much they go out of their way to publicize the occasional practices that are.
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Damn, damn, damn!
I was really hoping something would be happening at the ice plex (winnipegs practice facility). I’m still keeping my fingers crossed!
Either way, I am SO excited for the game!
by spatial.taxes on Nov 23, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure whom to vote for
But I must say that Neil looks like… well, he looks more like an ogre than a badger in the photo opening the Nuggets.
Well, Neil is an ugly badger, there's no way around that,
but we love him.
by whatsinaname on Nov 21, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair
Lots of guys would look as gruesome if they were shot (with a camera) under the same circumstances, or at least not much better.

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