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Filatov should take a page out of Daugavins' book

"That's a good Daug."

As coverage of Nikita Filatov's possible flight back to Russia has reached fever pitch, it's a perfect time to compare Filatov's time in the Senators organization with that of another young Sen, Kaspars Daugavins.

Daugavins had an option to head to the KHL this offseason and play for his hometown team, Dinamo Riga. And really, if he chose to exercise that option, it would be hard to blame him. He was drafted by the Ottawa Senators in 2006, and never left North America. He put in time in the OHL and the AHL, and what kind of a shot did he receive in Ottawa from the time he was drafted until the end of last year's Calder Cup winning season?

One game.

Daugavins played his only NHL game to that point during the 2009-10 season, getting 8 minutes of ice-time and being sent back to Binghamton unceremoniously shortly thereafter. Even during Ottawa's disaster 2010-2011 season, when Senators fans saw almost the entire Binghamton Senators forward corps see NHL action (Colin Greening, Bobby Butler, Erik Condra, Corey Locke, Ryan Potulny, Jim O'Brien, Cody Bass, Roman Wick, and Francis Lessard), Daugavins was not called up once.

As I said, if he decided to return to Riga after not getting a sniff of NHL action last season, it would be hard to hold it against him.

Star-divide

Yet despite having an offer from Dinamo Riga sitting on the table, Daugavins returned to Ottawa to give it another shot. Then, he got cut during training camp. However, rather than returning to Riga at this point, he decided to stick it out in the AHL and played 7 games for the Binghamton Senators.

His hard work paid off. After two full AHL season (in addition to some earlier partial AHL seasons), Daugavins had become the player that Ottawa was looking for. He was given a call-up to the NHL, and hasn't played an AHL game since. Even when he was "sent back" to the AHL to get his wisdom teeth removed, he was instantly put back in NHL action once he was ready for it. He's not guaranteed to stick in the NHL at this point, but he's certainly making a good case for it. Filatov, on the other hand, hasn't made the same case. He put up one assist in 6 NHL games, and his AHL point totals this season are the same as Daugavins', 4 goals, 2 assists -- except Kaspars did it in 7 games as opposed to Filatov's 11.

Ottawa is a team with only 3 legitimate top-six forwards, a team where the General Manager is openly stating on the radio he's looking to trade for a top-six forward. Ottawa is a team desperate for the very thing Filatov is supposed to be. If Filatov was even close to being an NHL top-six forward, then he would certainly be in Ottawa right now. The fact that Filatov is playing in Binghamton speaks volumes about where he is in his development, and should be motivation for him to improve on his weaknesses.

This isn't a situation where some stodgy, old-fashioned hockey coach has a vendetta against young players. The Ottawa Senators organization has proven that they're willing to give inexperienced players a chance at the NHL level -- Daugavins, Bobby Butler, Erik Condra, Colin Greening, Stephane Da Costa, Jared Cowen, and David Rundblad are proof of that this season. The fact that those players find themselves with an NHL roster spot while Filatov is in the AHL indicates that the problem is not on Ottawa's end, but on Filatov's.

Filatov has to realize that he's still young, and that NHL spots are earned, not given. His situation is not unique in his draft class, either. The much-hyped Cody Hodgson, taken 4 spots after Filatov in the 2008 NHL Entry Draft, has still only played 26 NHL games compared to Filatov's 50. Kyle Beach, a forward drafted 5 spots after Filatov, has not even seen an NHL game.

Kaspars Daugavins spent a long time in North America with the Ottawa Senators organization without getting a proper shot at an NHL role, but he stuck around and was rewarded for it. Hopefully, Nikita Filatov can learn something from Kaspars, and won't be so quick to leave just because a permanent NHL roster spot hasn't come in the first two months with his new team.

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Murray’s comments yesterday were a nice bit of bravado… but I suspect that there is one problem here… I strongly suspect Filatov has already left for Russia… and I don’t mean his body has left… but his performance from here to the end of November will show that he is already gone.

I know to some of you that on the surface it appears that Filatov has given his all… With a guy that has this much talent, I suggest that he has not even scratched the surface yet.

He will be more comfortable in Russia. However, players only get better only when they step out of their comfort zone.

Especially players wh are all out offensive players. Like Yzerman and Spezza, they only became really good players when they learned to listen to their coaches and step out of their offensive-minded comfort zone and into playing an all around game.

The Sens brass knows that the last thing we need is another all out offensive player to play with Spezza.

Filatov is being asked to step out of that comfort zone and play an all around game, and any sign of that happening would do him a world of good in his quest to be an NHL player.

by Marvellous on Nov 17, 2011 7:37 AM EST reply actions  

After all the discussion yesterday on this subject.

This says it all from the Senators perspective & why Filatov hasn’t played top 6 in Ottawa yet this season.

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Everyone thinks they have enough.

by havey03 on Nov 17, 2011 8:14 AM EST reply actions  

And

This says the same thing in more detail from PM.

Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.

by havey03 on Nov 17, 2011 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

And my apologies.

Sorry for not clicking the box to open in a new window – right click to open the link in a new window!

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by havey03 on Nov 17, 2011 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

YAY Daugy

Watching Daugavins and all of the passion that he puts into killing penalties just make me such a huge fan of his.

I don’t care what anyone says… Players who reach the NHL have the ability to play well defensively. It’s just a matter of what’s between their ears and whether they want to expend their energy in a place where there is no glory and no big paycheck… like playing defence.

I’d much rather have Daugy playing for the Sens right now than FIlatov.

by Marvellous on Nov 17, 2011 8:45 AM EST reply actions  

#OccupyDarren #OccupyOttawa

I won’t repeat all my arguments on why Filatov hasn’t been given a chance, regardless of whether Daugavins was given a lesser chance.

So I will leave it on a lighter note:

#FreeFilatov

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by Adnan on Nov 17, 2011 9:23 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

You can argue all you want about why Filatov hasn't been given a chance

That isn’t relevant to Darren’s story. The conclusion here is that chances must be earned, not gifted.

by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 17, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree

Maybe he wasnt givent the chance he was promised when he came from Columbus. But given that he isnt performing particularly well as a top six in Bingo, why should he be given the chance to be a top six in Ottawa?

by alfie4PM on Nov 17, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Amen, Darren.

I would hate to lose a player of Filatov’s talent just because he’s young and wants to play big minutes.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 17, 2011 9:36 AM EST reply actions  

That's an inaccurate statement.

We’d be losing a player of Filatov’s abilities because he’s not willing to do the work necessary to make it in the NHL.

by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 17, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

It would only be an inaccurate statement if I believed he was unwilling to do the work

I don’t think that’s the case. It certainly isn’t the impression I’ve gotten of him.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 17, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I think leaving for the KHL — if he chooses to do that — is indicative of being unwilling to do the work.

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by DarrenM on Nov 17, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

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Everyone thinks they have enough.

by havey03 on Nov 17, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Ya. That's my only basis for that statement.

But it seems like a good one. If he stays then I have no complaints with him.

by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 17, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know if I'd go that far

More like impatient about seeing results.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 17, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't quite agree with either of you.

I’d say I’d hate to lose a player of Filatov’s talent because he expects to play big minutes. More than just wants it, but not as far as unwilling to do the work.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 17, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

You know who else "just wanted to play big minutes"?

I’ll give you some hints.

1. He loves turtlenecks.
2. His eyes don’t match (this one is important, because it eliminates other possibilities).
3. He’s a dick.

by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 17, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Chara loves turtlenecks?

I kid, of course. Dany Dickheater IS a dick!

by Pmoron on Nov 17, 2011 10:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Ha!

I was just debating making a “diminished role” joke.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 17, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Filatov

I’d be interested to see what he could do on a line with Winchester and Daugavins. Winch isn’t the most skilled guy, but he can win face-offs and cover up defensive miscues. Daugavins can put the puck in the net when given the chance. You would hope that Rooster’s work ethic would help Filatov and that the two might be able to find some chemistry playing together.

The idea would be to have a fourth line that would be good enough to eat into the minutes of the 1st, 2nd or 3rd lines when one of them is not playing well.

by DW19 on Nov 17, 2011 9:52 AM EST reply actions  

give him another shot...

see what he can bring after this road trip…try him on a line with alfie and butler/foligno…if all fails…package him off for a pick, prospect, or player. it’s really a no lose situation. loose a 2006 prospect, gain a 2012 prospect or other.

by spezzasbrother on Nov 17, 2011 10:10 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Uh

Who exactly do you think is willing to give us a pick/prospect/player for a guy who seems to be debating moving to Russia? Last time I checked, none of the GMs in the league were that big of a chump.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 17, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, did anyone see Portzline's story about Filatov?

http://twitter.com/Aportzline

One of his many previous coaches calls him into room with video guy for one-on-one film work, to show him instance where they want him to crash the net and get to rebounds, create scoring chances. After four or five clips, Filatov steps back from the monitor, looks at the coaches and says, flatly: “Filly don’t do rebounds.”

(Aaron Portzline is the beat writer for the Columbus Blue Jackets)

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by DarrenM on Nov 17, 2011 10:36 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Filly's been watching you

Filly likes what he sees

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 17, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol

I did see that in the Citizen today

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 17, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with Darren's post.

I am not about to rehash the discussions from yesterday because that isn’t the aim of the post. Management’s treatment of Filatov is a different discussion.

Young players need more than “having” the puck skills and required talent to be “given” a spot in the NHL, regardless of the position. They can’t just possess the skills, they need to demonstrate these skills consistently or demonstrate consistent willingness to put their best effort game in and game out.

Also, we all have to go through many stages of proving ourselves in our jobs in order to move up, it’s no different for hockey players. Young players have to be kept on their toes, because no coach is going to overlook replacing a young player in a slump with another one that is doing much better. They want a chance? Well so do all the other prospects in the system, and they will work their butts of to get a chance as soon as someone else starts “losing” their spot.

Finally, they need to understand that being sent back to the AHL is not meant as a personal punishment, but in fact it is a chance to work on areas of concern without having the pressures of the NHL. Some articles claim that Filatov is unhappy about being in the AHL, well honey why don’t you do something about it and show the big guys why you should be up in Ottawa?

by Los Blancos Chicca on Nov 17, 2011 10:40 AM EST reply actions  

There is no victim here

Does anyone still think Filatov is a victim here?

Adnan, there are no victims here… only Filatov being Filatov and continuing to not deliver.

Surely there is another team who doesn’t give a damn about him developing an all around game and just wants him to score some goals. He can hang around in the slot and wait to be fed like Heatley and as long as he scores a few, that would satisfy several teams.

We could at least probably recover our 3rd round pick.

by Marvellous on Nov 17, 2011 10:42 AM EST reply actions  

I need a hug :(

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by Adnan on Nov 17, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

But YouTube is blocked at work!

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by Adnan on Nov 17, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I am getting desperate. :(

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by Adnan on Nov 17, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

"Not deliver"?

Come on. He’s a 21-year-old who has six points in 11 games in the AHL.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 17, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

This is true.

But what is also true is how terribly the team has been playing and how many guys have been injured.

How many goals has the team scored all together during those past 10 games? About 20. Not that great. Now, he’s only been involved in 15% of those goals. Not good enough.

But it’s not exactly a winning environment down there right now…

by sensory_experience on Nov 17, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure

I’m just saying that 3-point game seems to be an outlier, and his 6 points need to be taken with a grain of salt. His pointless streak also does since pretty much no one is playing amazingly right now, but that doesn’t change the fact that half his points were in his first AHL game.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 17, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

As I said, hasn’t been good enough.

by sensory_experience on Nov 17, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

But I’m not trying to claim he’s dominating or anything.

Besides, I’m not willing to throw out a three-point game when we’re discussing whether or not a guy is delivering. Multi-point games tend to reinforce that, from my point of view.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 17, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be less willing to write it off if it hadn't been his very first game down there.

As it is, and I realize that some of it is the whole team struggling now, he’s got a very obvious downward trajectory in his production. That bothers me more than the number itself, to be honest.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 17, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe this summer we will break this jinx we seem to have with Russian forwards. (Daugy is Latvian.)

by Marvellous on Nov 17, 2011 10:44 AM EST reply actions  

Judging from the interviews with PM and BM, I really like the way they are handling things. PM works with Filly every day at practice, not just games – he basically told him that if he works on the 4th line and has a good shift or two, he’s find himself with more minutes and on a better line in that game. Obviously PM didn’t like the effort he saw with the 4th line shifts – so why would he move him to the top6 in that game?

BM told Filly basicaly the same thing about Binghampton. Put your head down, work for two weeks, you’ll get a chance in Ottawa.

They didn’t ask him to score goals, just to play hard when he was on the ice and show effort to improve his game.

He’s got lots of incentive to work hard guaging by these conversations – he’s got the ball, he’s just got to run with it as hard as he can.

by timac on Nov 17, 2011 10:45 AM EST reply actions  

Hammer - Meet nail head!

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by havey03 on Nov 17, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Well

BMur didn’t say he’d get a chance here if he worked hard for two weeks, he said to work hard for two weeks and Filatov would get another shot if they saw something that made them want to see more of him. And even then, they’re talking in terms of calling him up to see what he can do, not promising big minutes or partnering Spezza or anything.

But I agree – I like the way they’re handling him. This approach seems spot on, and personally I like that both BMur and Paulrus have explained it to him. Now it’s up to Filatov to earn more.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 17, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't encourage Darren's puns

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 17, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I wanted to like it

But yeah that’s horrible. Come on Darren, this is S7S not the Ottawa Sun.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 17, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Communication issues rearing their ugly head again?

I also don’t want to wade back into the Filatov debate per se, although I’m with Adnan on this one, but I wanted to make a point about communication, regardless of what has actually been going on (i.e., Filatov’s play, how decent a shot he got at the beginning of the season, etc.).

MacLean seems to be a strong communicator. I would guess he has been fairly consistent with Filatov from the beginning. And his comments from the summer, including some that I added to yesterday’s post, didn’t over-promise.

I am much less confident when it comes to Murray, I’m sad to say. While Murray has been reasonably cautious in public about over-promising, yesterday we got a hint of why he can be frustrating.

First, the messaging that is consistent with the coach’s:

“Go down and play in Binghamton, play hard. If we feel at the end of the trip that we’d like to give an opportunity to you again […] As the coaching staff said here, they just want to see him compete a little bit more. We all know talent-wise he can play in the NHL. It’s the other parts of the game, that don’t include all his talent, that you have to be able to (work with).”

“I told him, ‘If you’re playing well, we will give you an opportunity to show your wares here.”"

Great. But then some semi-confusing babble, the essence of which (be a more complete player) is relatively clear but buried beneath all sorts of “but we’re sympathetic about this problem”-type language.

"Lots of young players, whether they’re named Filatov or not, get wrapped up in being an offensive player. We all recognize that guys get points. We don’t recognize the guys that hit the post in overtime with an empty net. They don’t get recognized and we know that. So, he thinks that he has to be a point-getter, an offensive threat to be in the NHL. We’ve repeatedly told him since he has come here, and I don’t know what was said to him in Columbus and I really don’t care, all I know is we’ve asked him to be a little more grounded so that he’s a contributor."

Aaaaand then we have the undermining bit:

“I think he’s a great kid. If you sit and talk to him, he’s a bright young man,” Murray said. “He seems willing to work hard and compete. Any practice I saw, I thought he practised fairly hard.”

So, actually he’s been good in practice and working hard? And showing the willingness/effort to succeed? I’m confused.

And Filatov might be too, unless that “fairly” is supposed to be the cue from Murray. See, if the problem is work ethic/effort/taking things for granted, as many keep suggesting, then Murray’s comments (and similar ones from Kleinendorst, Bingo reporters, etc.) undermine that argument. Only MacLean’s in-practice shout-out to Butler and Filatov matches this storyline.

If, on the other hand, the problem is he is not yet a complete enough player / defensive enough, then Filatov may well be wondering why he isn’t getting to work through his development/performance issues like Rundblad, Butler, Da Costa, Foligno, and others.

So why did I say yesterday was just a taste of the potential communication problems from Murray? Because of what might have been said in the summer. Murray did not promise anything explicit in public. But based on reporting (not just of what Filatov said but what Ottawa reporters “heard”/understood from Sens’ management), I would not be at all surprised to learn that Murray pumped up the opportunity big time when selling Filatov on this gig. You’ve got a young guy with a ton of talent who has allegedly been mis-handled by the Blue Jackets. So you pump his tires a bit and get him jacked about playing with the Senators so that he comes in with the right attitude (which he does) and makes the most of it.

And then you park him in Bingo while the rest of the blue chippers sort out their issues in Ottawa. Maybe it’s justified. I’m not the coaches, so I don’t know.

But I can certainly imagine how there might be a communications problem.

by sensory_experience on Nov 17, 2011 11:33 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Er, I get that.

I know that. My point was about what I could imagine going on behind closed doors, based in part on what is said in public. It would, for example, also be safe to assume that they would be more cautious in public than in private, and therefore Filatov, at least initially, may well have been encouraged even most strongly in private (although they probably also save their harshest/bluntest criticisms for behind closed doors, of course).

In any case, I’m just pointing to a possible gap between what MacLean is doing/saying as the Sens’ coach and what Murray (the asset-manager and occasionally mis-stepping communicator) is doing/saying.

I would also add that part of the problem is fan and media reaction, which is why what they say publicly also matters. It doesn’t help that everyone (yes, yes, not everyone…) is now piling on and bringing out “Filatov is a jerk” stories and Russian player stereotypes. It may have come out because of Filatov (or his agent), but the way Murray/MacLean communicate about it publicly matters a lot in how it plays out.

And finally, let’s not forget the other communications issue going on, with Bingo coach Kleindendorst basically coming out and saying this week that Bingo is currently a terrible environment for young player development.

“As far as development goes, guys playing on the third or fourth line here would develop just as well in (ECHL) Elmira … so if we can bring other players in (who) have some American League experience, I think it makes us a better hockey club, but I think it works better for the younger players as well because this is really an environment that you don’t want your young kids in. It’s not healthy. That’s where I’m coming from. How far Ottawa will let me take it, we’ll find out.”

He’s referring more to lower line guys, not Filatov, but it’s not really helpful either in terms of helping convince the likes of Filatov or Lehner feel like the club is indeed doing what is best for their development.

by sensory_experience on Nov 17, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Both well stated and researched posts.

And you’re right about almost all of it.

I’m just saying that, to be fair to him, Murray has probably been more clear with Filatov behind closed doors. I don’t think there’s ever been an issue with Murray’s man-management abilities.

I also think a lot of what they say about guys moving up and down from Bingo, and also about player development, is just boilerplate and we can read too much into it.

by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 17, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

And I wouldn’t agree that there is anything confusing about the original series of quotes sensory_experience cited intitially in this string. It’s great that he’s practicing hard – that would be simple, 101 stuff – but not included in that quote is an assessment of his execution in games. Is he not only “working hard”, but also staying within the system, being a team guy, fulfilling his assignments, etc…

Willingness to work hard and compete. Working hard in practice. These are both positive baby steps form a player tagged with being an enigmatic sort. But stepping up and playing the game in the manner they expect him to play it: with integrity, attention to detail, team first, etc… are reasonable expectations to ahve met before giving him a prized top 6 NHL spot.

by Be_rad on Nov 17, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Difference vs. other prospects

I get the difference between practice and executing. But as I mentioned above, I could imagine Filatov being confused about why he’s having to work out his execution issues in Bingo.

And frankly, this is where you get back into the debate about “the shot” he was given. See, if it’s about work ethic (esp. unseen to the fans), it’s tough to argue. But if it’s just about performance, why was Butler given the opportunity to work it out with the big club? Rundblad? And has Da Costa been executing so well?

One part of the answer is the contract, of course, which is thrown in to the occasional post on here but not mentioned much by the media. Butler (like Greening and Condra) is on a 1-way deal. Meanwhile Filatov is making $60k in Bingo. Which means two things: (1) he is much cheaper to the club down there and (2) his attitude about all this is not just about pride and effort and sucking it up, but also about the huge wage hit of being in the AHL.

by sensory_experience on Nov 17, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I should add...

… I think that’s what Filatov is making in Bingo. Feel like I read that somewhere.

by sensory_experience on Nov 17, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

CapGeek says $65K

Source.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 17, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I can see him being frustrated by both the cash and the fact he’s down there. Alfie said as much last night on 1200 if he were in the same situation, he would consider a version along the lines of being paid more at home. But what was implied in the rply was “If I didn’t think I had a legitimate chance of an NHL job”. Filly has to decide if a), he has the skills to make it (I thiink everyone believes he does) and b) if he is willing to use those skills in the ways that are most successful all around in the NHL. In the long run, if he sticks it out, becomes the player they want him to be, he will earn not only buckets of cash, but the kind of respect and adulation only elite athletes will ever experience.

by Be_rad on Nov 17, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

You know what they say about making assumptions!

Pshh, I don’t want my GM talking to players outside of the media. How else am I supposed to micromanage the hockey team from afar if I don’t hear all that’s said?

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 17, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

So who goes then?

If we need to make a spot for Filatov, who has to go then? On LW we have Greening, Foligno, Daugavins and Kanopka.. Obviously Konopka seems like an easy target, but Filly will play 5-7 minuttes in his place and will whine that he is not getting fair chance. He has to wait for his chance, everyone gets it eventually, but his head is not in the right place…And when Neil is back, who goes? Condra? Butler?
There is a reason B.Murray decided not to draft Russian players and while this gamble of 3rd rounder for Filatov looks like a no brainer, same can be said about Filatov …

by TaBu on Nov 17, 2011 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

It's a good point

I wouldn’t replace Greening or Foligno with Filatov right now, and I think it would be a waste to play him on the fourth line.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 17, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, welcome to the site!

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 17, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Good question!

A few games ago it would have been easier to tag Foligno or Butler.

I would actually make the case for Da Costa, presently. Not sure he’s contributing that much. I certainly wouldn’t understand why we’d be giving him more of a chance to play through his issues than Filatov or Rundblad, who are spending time in the AHL and pressbox, respectively.

I’d love to drop Konopka, but that doesn’t free up a top 6 spot. That said, the other option is to drop Konopka and have Filatov play with some lower line guys who do have some hands/offensive ability (e.g., Condra, Neil, Butler). Part of the reason the fourth line is getting so few minutes is Konopka, IMO. I don’t know why you wouldn’t roll a line with Winchester, Butler, and Filatov for 10+ minutes.

Or frankly drop Condra to the 4th line for a few games and let Filatov play with Daugavins and Z. Smith, who doesn’t give a damn who he plays with.

by sensory_experience on Nov 17, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Well until Neil and Regin are back, no one needs to go

Just scratch Konopka/someone else depending on how everyone’s been playing and who the opponent is. Then when Regin’s back, Da Costa will get some seasoning I imagine…

And when Neil’s back, I guess it’ll be a tough call between Daugavins, Condra and probably Greening.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 17, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes he does.

Just instead of getting a medium amount from a lot of sources he gets a ton of respect from a very small number of sources.

by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 17, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 17, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

And by +1, you mean 1 source right? :D

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by Adnan on Nov 17, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Konopka is an easy target, but..

I think Konopka only plays because Neil is out and we need some toughness in the lineup just in case… With Neil back, Konopka out, we still have same problem – no spots available, and definitely no spots in top 6, because Da Costa (with Daugavins, he is the only player on a current lineup who is on a two way) is a Center, needs to play to maintain his confidence and has been playing to the best of his abilities.
You have to sit Condra or Butler, but Condra has been playing well in his role and Bobby just scored two… I guess that is why Murray asked Filatov to wait till end of the month, because players should play themselves out of the roster, it may be easier to sit couple guys after tough road trip, where someone will underperform… or not :) Murray is just trying to buy some time, but with all likeness after just 18 games, this ship has sailed already – if Filatov does not feel happy with his initial role as bottom 6 forward, then there is no way he is getting top 6 minutes without significant injuries..

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by TaBu on Nov 17, 2011 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

Bigger problems coming

Sure, when Neil (and Regin!) get back, there will be all sorts of pleasant problems to solve.

That’s why now might have seemed like a good time to get Filatov some minutes. Oh well.

by sensory_experience on Nov 17, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, yeah, but we just buried Da Costa to get Mikachu his minutes

That’s not a habit I’d like the team to get into.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 17, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure

If you completely ignore how he’s playing and only want to rack up NHL minutes for him.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 17, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I've thought about this all day

and I’ve come to the realization that to say "Filatov should take a page out of Daugavins’ book’ isn’t fair. They are 2 completely (completely…..) different players. One is a fringe player who has made it to the NHL based primarily on his work ethic and ability to play many situations. Filatov, on the other hand, got to the NHL based purely on natural ability. He skates extremely well, shoots the puck very well, has loads of creativity and great vision. Has it all come together? No(t yet).
To say “take a page out of Daugavins’ book” isn’t fair because their initial and eventual paths to the NHL were completely different.
Daugavins’ knew the day he was drafted what it was going to take to make it.
Filatov, with his natural-ability, knew he could just show up on time and he’d be a lock to play in the NHL. As he found out in CBJ, it doesn’t work that way. We’ve seen many skilled player with the same mentality.

Do I agree with the theory? Yes.
Do I wish Filatov would bare down, work his ass off and make BM eat his words? Of course.
But one was a 1st round (and #1 ranked prospect at one point) pick and the other, a later pick who was never expected to make much of an impact in the NHL.

I am a huge fan of Kaspars. If you have a strong work ethic in the NHL, you’ll win the hearts of many. But Filatov is a completely different story.

My heart isn’t bleeding for Filatov but we’re comparing apples to rhubarb.

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by MadCash on Nov 17, 2011 7:26 PM EST reply actions  

I don't agree

Their paths to the NHL have nothing to do with Darren’s point, which is that Filatov needs to be working harder if he wants to play for the Ottawa Senators. I don’t see why Filatov wouldn’t have to work simply because he was drafted higher or has more natural talent. It’s not apples to rhubarb, because the article is not comparing the players, it’s merely noting what it takes to earn a spot on Paul MacLean’s team.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 17, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

This.

I don’t care where you were drafted (though I’m obviously partial to 6th rounders), you should be willing to work hard and take constructive criticism well. If you aren’t willing to earn what you want, I don’t care how much talent you have.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 17, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

is hard work really going to get Filatov a call up though? He’s not coming up to kill penalties and be a ‘good teammate’…he’s looked at as an offensive option. If he gets called up and works his ass off but doesn’t score/create, he’ll last 4 games. Daugy could go 20 games without a point but has other skills and tools that we need.
Filatov is, more or less, a one-trick pony.

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by MadCash on Nov 18, 2011 3:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I think that's the point, though

Based on the quotes from MacLean and Murray, Filatov’s offensive skill is not in question. He may not ever be asked to kill penalties, but there’s more to being an offensive option than putting the puck in the net. It’s about being in the right place for breakouts, reading plays, being sound positionally… these are all things that are critical to MacLean, and they’re not currently things Filatov is good at.

Darren’s point is that if he puts in effort to learn those things—like Daugavins has—he’ll quickly find himself on an NHL roster.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 18, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

As PM says

I want is to play a fast 200 ft game, get back fast, turn the puck over and a hard counter attack. Filatov was only hitting 2 of 3. Kaspars is hitting all 3.

Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.

by havey03 on Nov 18, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, exactly

In order for Filatov to generate offence, he needs to work hard. The same can be said of just about any NHL player; without hard work, points don’t come.

by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 18, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Filatov, with his natural-ability, knew he could just show up on time and he’d be a lock to play in the NHL. As he found out in CBJ, it doesn’t work that way. We’ve seen many skilled player with the same mentality.

This doesn’t fly with me. Mostly because it’s obvious that his natural ability isn’t enough to play in the NHL; if it were, he would be playing in the NHL.

I also think you’re not giving Daugavins enough credit. He was a top-line player in the OHL and in Binghamton, putting up good point totals in the process. He played two-and-a-half seasons in Binghamton, and appeared to be barely on Ottawa’s radar in that time. He could very easily have left North America for more guaranteed money in Riga—his hometown, no less—but decided to give it one more shot.

Filatov is under contract right now. He’s not being mis-treated by Senators brass; he simply hasn’t shown them that he has the tenacity to be an everyday NHL player. Once he does, the team will make room for him; if he doesn’t, well, this is the last year of his contract. After the contract is up, he’s free to play in any other league.

by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 18, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

So happy for the way things have turned out for the Rooster

right now…..hope it sticks. I wish we know more about Filatov because everything we “know” we hear from BM, PM, reporters, CBJ people, a lot of speculations, assumptions, hardly from the man/kid himself. What does he think about all these? If everyone is correct about his skill set, man his failure would be such a waste.

by whatsinaname on Nov 18, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Not willing to do the work

Yes and Filly and his “Filly don’t do rebounds” already has demonstrated that he is not willing to do the work necessary, so he wants it donated to him because he looks so good when he skates… and he does look REALLY good when he skates.

Thank goodness BM and the organization has drawn the line in the sand and told him what he needs to do. A little bit of bravado on BM’s part for saying, “Sorry but it isn’t your decision to make.”

Now all that remains is for Filly to say his FUs by leaving and going back to Russia.

by Marvellous on Nov 18, 2011 9:04 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah because what he said in Columbus as an 18-19 year old in a language he likely didn’t speak well, demonstrates he isn’t willing to work now in Ottawa.

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by Adnan on Nov 18, 2011 9:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Is that a fact he made that rebound comment

or was it kind of like a joke by the CBJ personnel to reflect Filly’s like of work ethic?

by whatsinaname on Nov 18, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I doubt they'd quote him if they were poking fun

But they also never said he refused to go after rebounds or anything.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 18, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but the rebounds comment could easily be a language thing

Without a timeframe on his comment, are you willing to say 100% that he was refusing to go for rebounds and not acknowledging that in the video clips he was not going for them? I’m not.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 18, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Bottom line

I was rooting for Filatov but clearly his time is running out. I suspect he’s already checked out for Russia.

Say hi to Radulov for us!

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by MadCash on Nov 18, 2011 11:12 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah let’s hope he shuts us all up with a couple of hat tricks. Not likely, but you never know. He is capable of doing that.

by Marvellous on Nov 18, 2011 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

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