Silver Nuggets: Filatov rumoured to be contemplating KHL
by Adnan on Nov 16, 2011 1:00 PM EST
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According to Dmitry Chesnokov, Nikita Filatov's agent is considering returning to Russia. This story surfaced yesterday and now that Chesnkov is reporting it, it seems more credible. Filatov himself spoke to Joy Lindsay this morning and was quoted as saying:
Nikita Filatov said he can't talk about KHL rumors. "No reason," he said. "Just rumors."
I have been on the record several times as saying that Filatov hasn't been given a shot by the organisation. Bryan Murray said that Filatov will get a chance to be in the top six, and he was given exactly two games. He didn't perform badly in those two games either. Whatever you may think of him having to earn his chance through the fourth line, the part about him being a chance in the top six simply hasn't been true.
However, the real thing I want to discuss is, how likely is it that Filatov leaves? He's in his last year of his contract with the Sens. If he leaves, he presumably still owes Ottawa another season should he return to the NHL before the age of 27. Could he be trying to put a little pressure on Bryan Murray, or is it just the work of his agent? If Filatov feels that Ottawa won't give him an honest look, then I won't blame him if he leaves. The KHL is a stronger competition than the AHL, he will get paid more and he will get to be at home.
Links after the jump.
Last game
- Stats from NHL.com. Filip Kuba led all Senators with 6:33 of shorthanded ice time and 24:19 in total. Solid night on the penalty kill from Kuba. He also blocked six shots to extend his team lead. [Boxscore] [Game summary] [Face-offs] [Play by play] [Ice time]
- Advanced stats from TimeOnIce.com. Jason Spezza's line ended up on the minus side of Corsi, with Spezza and Colin Greening at -6 and Milan Michalek at -7. Daniel Alfredsson led the way at +6. [Corsi] [Head-to-head] [Zone starts]
- Game recap. (Silver Seven, Ottawa Sun, Senators Extra)
- If Daniel Alfredsson makes the all-star game, should he be the captain? I can't believe this is even a question. If he plays in the game, I can say with 100% certainty that he will be a captain. (Ottawa Citizen)
- Zenon Konopka won't run goalies, Chris Neil had a limited skate in Ottawa while Peter Regin travelled with the team and skated as well. Regin isn't expected to return until around Christmas though.(Ottawa Sun)
- Jared Crozier asks if Zenon Konopka is fighting too much. Through 13 games, he has already had eight fights, most of them of the pointless variety. Konopka has had a total of 89 minutes and 14 seconds of ice time, meaning that he is in a fight every 11 minutes and 9 seconds. Granted I am against all fighting in hockey, but this is just absurd and a it is a case of a guy trying to justify his existence on a team. I also disagree with Jared in that I don't feel Konopka will have a job in this league without fighting. He is not even being used for face-offs lately, yielding to Jesse Winchester. (SenShot)
- Konopka isn't just a hockey fighter though. He also runs his own wine company. He is in another company trying to develop a medical device. Lastly, he imports cream from Brazil to counter bruising and swelling. (Calgary Sun)
- Binghamton coach Kurt Kleinendorst had some harsh words for Patrick Wiercioch, saying that he is not even sure if he can use Wiercioch on the power play any more because he just refuses to shoot the puck. With Binghamton having lost eight games in a row, Kleinendorst also doesn't feel Robin Lehner has been anything special lately. He will alternate goaltenders until one of them wins a game. (Press & Sun-Bulletin)
- The Wiz from the Team 1200 would be happy to see Filatov leave. (@Team1200TheWiz)
- Nichols doesn't think Filatov will leave, and blames it on the Russian media. As mentioned above, it hasn't stopped some in the media from already having him gone. (The 6th Sens)
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Filatov
I can’t blame Filatov either if just isnt getting a shot. I hope he gets called up sometime soon and gets a chance with Spezza somehow!! Come on Paulrus make it happen!!
by fridgefullofmeat on Nov 16, 2011 1:06 PM EST reply actions
Disagree with your POV on Filatov
While BM did say that Filatov will be given a chance at a top 6 spot, that spot must be earned. It will not and should not be given to him. Filatov clearly was not doing the things that PM wanted him to do. This is why he was sent to the BSens to work on those things. He isn’t exactly tearing it up in the AHL. I believe that PM & BM will give Filatov a chance in the top 6 once he has earned that shot. So far he just hasn’t. If he feels he needs to go to the KHL instead of putting forth the effort management has asked, it is too bad, but then that isn’t the type of player we want on this team.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
It should be earned, but given that he was put out there right at the start of the season, wouldn’t that at least suggest that he had earned it at that point? That’s what I was assuming. Whether he earned the spot or not, it was given to him. The problem I have is that I didn’t see him do anything to lose the spot in those 2 games.
But hey, all I see is the games. A lot probably goes on at practices that affects these decisions.
Filatov needs to prove his own case
I don’t care if Filatov has been given a “fair shot” or not. Right now he is playing in the AHL and he should be tearing up teams with his skills and leading the B-Sens in scoring. Why is he not doing that?
As far as the big team goes, when Filatov starts outplaying Alfredsson, Michalek, Foligno and Greening then he deserves a shot on one of the top two lines. Has he done that so far?
I don’t mind giving Filatov a while to get going because he has shown an ok attitude so far. If he wants to give up and go back to Russia then that’s his prerogative. It will be unfortunate to have lost a 3rd round pick, but it was a reasonable gamble by Murray.
In summation, I am not losing much sleep over this. Up to now it is just rumours anyway. I am more concerned with Filatov helping Bingo get their season back on track. With Locke out someone needs to step up. Why not Filatov?
I agree Filatov was given a shot right out of training camp and did not earn top 6 minutes and was sent down…being recalled he once again was given a look and did not step up and show that he wanted to stay and earn back his top 6 mins even though there was an opportunity there to be had….
Having him go back to Russia is not a loss and would take his salary off the books, experiment attempted time to move on….
I know you disagreed with the Filatov reassignment, but from what I saw Sunday he belongs in the AHL right now.
Granted it’s just one game, but he did not look NHL-ready, let alone like a legit top 6 contender. Not that he’d be justified in running away to Russia even if he looked like a top 6 contender (to quote Vaclav Prospal speaking about a certain other Russian, “You honour your contract.”), but he has a lot of stuff to work on before we can talk about whether he deserves to play top 6 minutes up here.
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I agree here... he looked disinterested
And, quite frankly, he isn’t skilled enough to pull off disinterested—at least not yet.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 16, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
I have no problem with the way Filatov is being handled
This is a team desperate for top six NHL forwards. If Filatov can’t crack this top-six, he’s doing something wrong, not Bryan Murray.
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by DarrenM on Nov 16, 2011 1:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This would be true if he was actually given a real shot
Playing 2 games, getting 1 point and then dumped to the AHL is not a sign of Filatov not being able to crack it.
Mika Zibanejad was given a full 9 games in the top six without having any NHL experience. Nick Foligno is doing okay so far, but he hasn’t been a 2nd line for years and continues to get chances.
Colin Greening hasn’t had a point in 7 games.
I am not saying Filatov is a lock for the top six, I’d just like to see him 10-15 games with either Spezza or Da Costa or someone remotely skilled.
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So you want to reassign Greening because of a slump to give Filatov another chance because of a promise regardless of whether he's earned it?
Because he does not deserve it right now. Despite him having that awesome first game when he got reassigned to Bingo, he’s been slumping lately. In the AHL. Please explain why we should then put him in the top 6 in the NHL.
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My point is, Filatov was reassigned after two games. Others have gotten a lot longer looks for no better reasons. I am not saying Greening should be sent to the AHL, I am just saying how crazy it seems to me that Filatov was sent down.
Also, since it is a rebuilding season and all, yeah I would give Filatov a look some time real soon and not very if it costs us a few games in the short run. He has the potential to be a much better player than Greening, Butler, Foligno, etc. I just want to see him get a run.
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I think what you've seen though is a willingness to be coached
from Greening, Butler, Foligno etc I don’t think PM believes he has seen the same wllingness to be coached from Filatov. Soon after Filatov was sent down PM was quoted something to the point of: ‘He didn’t get better as camp progressed, others did, so he’ll need to go down there and work on some things’. I don’t think he’s been given another shot because I don’t think he’s worked on those ‘things’ yet.
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Everyone thinks they have enough.
I don't think this is fair
I believe that Filatov has done everything asked of him by the organization with absolutely no complaints. I don’t get the sense that he’s unwilling to be coached at all—I just think he needs more development in general. He’s very young, so that’s not really a surprise.
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I think you may not agree with the way I worded what I said
But I think we both mean the same thing. Otherwise, I need you to clarify the following.
I mean, at some point, we have to accept that he’s not doing the things MacLean wants to see.
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Everyone thinks they have enough.
By that I meant to the coach's satisfaction
Not necessarily that he’s not willing to do them. I can’t remember an instance where he didn’t backcheck, for example, and that’s a big deal to Paulrus. So my sense is that it’s his play without the puck that isn’t to the level that would make MacLean trust him.
Does that make sense?
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It does
That is what I was saying. You are correct that it wasn’t fair for me to call it an unwillingness to be coached. Yet I do believe he wasn’t responding to the little things he was being asked to do with the urgency & level of improvement that PM would like to have seen.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
All right, we're mostly on the same page
The only thing I disagree with is that he wasn’t responding—my read is that he just needs more time to learn. But that’s just my opinion.
Agree on the level of improvement PM would like to have seen, though. I think that’s pretty clear.
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I think it's a huge stretch to call it willingness to be coached
And frankly, I don’t think you’d be bringing attitude into it if it was a player with a different history.
I’d say it’s more how well he responded to the coaching he was getting. Nothing to do with willingness, just how much he improved with MacLean’s coaching compared to others.
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To be fair, the reputation was obtained for a reason
There must be some truth to it. That isn’t to say that he hasn’t learned from past mistakes and you are right that he should be given a clean slate until he proves that he hasn’t learned from past issues, the wording that I chose was too strong; you’ve said what I was trying to get at better.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
Well, I certainly wasn't keeping tabs on how Columbus managed him through all that, though
And I doubt anyone except management, coaching staff and players were actually in a position to know the whole story. So as far as I’m concerned, that reputation could be as much Columbus’s fault as Filatov’s and I’m not assuming it’ll be an issue here.
But with your clarifications, I think we’re all on the same page.
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K, but your argument stopped making sense when Filatov became invisible in Bingo
According to the most recent prospect roundup, he has 6 points in 10 games, but if we exclude that first awesome game he had, he has 3 points in 9. That hardly seems like someone we can’t justify leaving in the AHL.
Plus, you keep bringing up the fact that he was reassigned after two games, but unless I’m mistaken he played a good chunk of the preseason in the top 6.
At this point, I just think you need to stop dwelling on whether he deserved to be reassigned and start looking at where he deserves to be now.
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True, he hasn’t been exactly great in the AHL. Some players are just better NHL players than AHL players though, but obviously that is just a personal feeling. Also, the general consensus was that he was very good in pre-season. He’s also pretty solid in his own end in preseason.
I’d just like to see Filatov get a good stretch of run of games on the top 2 lines. If he doesn’t cut it, I’ll stop whining. ;) There aren’t many expectations this season, I want to find out what players can do what.
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“True, he hasn’t been exactly great in the AHL. Some players are just better NHL players than AHL players though, but obviously that is just a personal feeling. Also, the general consensus was that he was very good in pre-season. He’s also pretty solid in his own end in preseason.”
There are a million examples of players playing well in the pre season and not having it translated to the reg season….pre season for the most part is AHL caliber.
K, but wishing he'd get a shot in the top lines is useless unless you have a legit suggestion about who he should replace
And you said below that you don’t really think anyone in particular should be bumped to make room.
I guess I just don’t see the point. I get that you want to see more of Filatov – some of my friends also really want to see him and I wouldn’t mind getting a good look at him either. But wanting to see him is completely different from believing he belongs in the lineup now or having a suggestion about whose spot he should take. It seems to me that the second and third of those are discussions to maybe have (although my views are pretty clear on those by now), but the first doesn’t generate any real discussion and there’s no real point in repeating it.
Which is separate from the whole Russia thing in your post, it just seems like it’s all degenerated to what we should have done with Filatov a month ago.
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Zibanejad
I’ll just jump here and add that Zibanejad is not a comparable for two reasons.
The first being that the Senators can call Filatov back from the AHL at any time whereas with Zibanejad it was all or nothing (100% Sweden or 100%NHL, no in between).
The second reason is even more obvious, Zibanejad is a centre and Filatov is a winger. With apologies to DaCosta, the Sens have a hole at the second line centre spot and Zibanejad was a legitimate option. On the wings, the Senators have a lot more options. Michalek and Alfredsson provide skill, scoring and experience. Butler can score goals (although he hasn’t really done it until last night). Foligno and Greening can open up space for others and have some skill. Filatov has a lot more players to contend with at his spot than Zibanejad did.
Wait, I missed the part where I compared Filatov and Zibanejad
Unless you’re referring to my comment below about how I didn’t understand Zibanejad being drafted but I’m trusting in management. But that comment didn’t have much to do with Filatov, and either way I never compared Zibanejad’s return to the SEL to Filatov’s reassignment.
Obviously the two are not at all comparable since one is on a two-way deal and the other is only released from his SEL contract for the NHL and is a rookie with that 9-game window.
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I’d just like to see Filatov get a good stretch of run of games on the top 2 lines. If he doesn’t cut it, I’ll stop whining. ;) There aren’t many expectations this season, I want to find out what players can do what.
I just think it’s too early to do this. If, come February, the Sens are out of the playoff picture, then it would make total sense. But right now, the Sens are in the hunt for a playoff spot, and can’t afford to wait and see what Filatov can do in the most important scoring position available. The Sens need to do what they can to win games, and waiting for Filatov isn’t going to help.
What Filatov needs to do is show he can be a consistent top-six player in the AHL before getting a shot in the NHL. Or he can continue plodding along in the AHL, hoping that the Sens fall well out of the playoff picture, and give him a shot at forward because there’s nothing else to lose.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 16, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
You are so much more optimistic about this season than I am
I don’t even think this team is a bubble team. Maybe if we’re still on the bubble in January, but I’m assuming our spot right now is a fluke and it’ll even itself out.
I mean, the friggin’ Panthers are higher in the standings.
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I'm not optimistic about this season at all
I predicted the Sens to finish 13th in the East.
I’m pointing out the reality, though: It is better for every person in the organization if the team wins games. Ergo, MacLean will play the players who give him the best chance to win games. Currently, the Senators are in a playoff spot; he’s not going to risk that in order to give a prospect a shot—especially not a prospect who isn’t even excelling at the AHL level.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 16, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
That’s fair enough. And as one of the more optimistic people, I am definitely in favour of winning games.
Having said that, players do struggle and there is a chance to work him in at some point hopefully soon.
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I’m sure there will be more opportunities for Filatov as players do continue to struggle. But there are other players who are earning opportunities more than him.
Greening is struggling right now, so there’s an opportunity opening up right now. But it makes more sense for Bobby Butler to get that opportunity, because he seems to be breaking out of his slump (and he’s on a one-way contract). An opportunity isn’t just going to fall into Filatov’s lap.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 17, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
I guess
I actually kind of worry that it could screw our draft pick, though. I wouldn’t be pissed if they started making their decisions based on other things, though.
I think I’ve suggested before that I’m not averse to shuffling lines around and giving everyone lots of ice time and giving Da Costa a very extended chance in that second-line centre role. Stuff that could end up hurting immediate performance but gets our young guys more experience at the same time. The kind of thing Team Canada starts (or really should start) doing in the WJC when they’re up 6-0 in the first period against Latvia. Not trying to lose, just trying to do lots of things instead of only trying to win.
Then again, no NHL GM or coach will think like that, and those optimistic fans who actually think we’re a playoff team would pitch a fit.
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This
“I actually kind of worry that it could screw our draft pick, though. "
I don’t want to become the Carolina Hurricanes or Toronto Maple Leafs, seemingly in the hunt for that 8th spot only to end up in 9th or 10th…and the GM goes: “You know, we were in every game and we’re close, let’s get a free agent or make a trade.”
This team needs some top end forward talent. It’s great that Butler potted two last night and so on, but you can’t rely on that. Getting a top 5 pick would be a godsend and we blew last year’s chance by trading for Anderson; not that I dislike Anderson, I’d just rather Nugent-Hopkins or Landeskog.
As for Filatov, could see THIS coming from a mile away but I will agree that he has not been given a chance, at all. I mean, Daugavins in a shootout over Filatov? How much PP time has he got? Filatov has a record of bailing on teams…
by Quizzical Quorum on Nov 16, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Practically though...
…what tactics do you employ (as coach or GM) to ensure that the team doesn’t land in 8th, 9th or 10th? Other than tactics that basically amount to tanking, I’m not sure what can be done other than to prepare for the games the best you can and hope you win.
Well
You can share the ice time around more evenly instead of giving so much of it to the top scoring line. And depending on the situation, you can use callups to get experience for your younger players. Not exactly tanking, but could end up having that effect.
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I guess.
But to me (and I realize I’m not everyone, but I feel like people in a competitive industry like NHL hockey would mostly agree), that still feels kinda like tanking.
If you’re not putting your best foot forward every night – if you’re not putting the team in the best position to win in the best way you know how – why am I watching the games? (Rhetorical question. I know there are other reasons to watch, but none of them are as good as “because we have a chance to win”.)
Why would Paul MacLean do this?
Why would Paul MacLean design and implement a system intended to make his team lose more games than they otherwise could? He is a professional hockey coach, and his job is to win games. It is not to ensure the team he coaches gets a high draft pick.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 17, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Also, this sends the wrong message to prospects and players
Who wants to play on a team that’s sucking by design?
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 17, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think you'll see a move for a free agent or a trade
BM, Euge & PM are all committed to a rebuild. I don’t see them altering that plan because we’re in a playoff position. I also don’t think that being in a playoff position will keep BM from offloading some contracts of the Kuba/Gonchar variety for prospects & picks. They know this team isn’t ready to consistantly compete for a stanley cup – even if an opportunity presents itself – I don’t forsee any moves being made to bolster that chance. The goal is to build the team into a yearly contender, not a cinderella run.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
A top-five draft pick is only as good as the scouts making that decision
Ottawa had three first-rounders last year, and came away with what looks like three pretty good players.
Look at the history of Ottawa Senators first-round draft choices:
Top five picks: Spezza, Phillips, Berard, Bonk, Daigle, Yashin
Picked 6-15 overall: Zibanejad, Noesen, Puempel, Cowen, Karlsson, Lee, Chouinard, Hossa
Picked 16+ overall: O’Brien, Foligno, Meszaros, Eaves, Klepis, Gleason, Volchenkov, Havlat
You’ll see that there are good players throughout. Although picking higher should give you a better chance of drafting a good player, it’s less about where you draft and more about who you draft. Unless the Senators get first or second overall, there’s a good chance that they can find a good player anywhere in the first round.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 17, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Yep agreed
Good players to be found every where, obviously the higher you can pick the better, but it’s not worth getting worried about winning too many games.
Although I will add, Puempel and Noesen were in the 16+ group.
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Whoops!
That was a silly oversight.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 17, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think I would give Greening's spot to Filatov just yet
I’m a Filatov defender, but at this point in the season, I don’t think I could honestly say that he’s outworked Greening or Foligno—and that’s based on the work that I saw him do in those two games.
I mean, at some point, we have to accept that he’s not doing the things MacLean wants to see. Same goes for Butler. Both Rooster and Filatov got injury callups, and one is still getting NHL minutes. I don’t think that’s a coincidence. MacLean seems more than willing to give shots to the players that earn it in his eyes.
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I wasn’t advocating anyone in particular being bumped down. I am just pointed out that other players have struggled and kept their spot.
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I understood that
My point was that those players’ effort and execution levels have exceeded Filatov’s, even during their struggles.
And that’s not to say that I don’t think he’s not (or wasn’t) working, just that I think the guys you named have worked harder.
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I disagree
I think other players have earned their spots.
by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 16, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone else remember when PM called Filatov and Butler out for goofing off in practive while PM was talking?
Funny how neither have been given significant ice time since that happened.
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Everyone thinks they have enough.
Is this why Spezza rarely giggles now? :(
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It surely must be the case!
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
Spezza is not giggling as much now
because he is not getting enough sleep as a new dad. When you are tired, your face can’t lift itself to smile never mind giggle.
by whatsinaname on Nov 16, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Ditto
I agree with Darren’s sentiment. And I feel he’s been given a real shot; it’s not like the team sent him down to Bingo and ignored what he was doing. They’ve been watching him for signs that he can produce, and he hasn’t shown those signs.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 16, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely
If he proves that he can contribute more to the team than the players currently ahead of him, then he deserves a shot.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 16, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
There must be something else happening behibd the scene
we are not privy to and management doesn’t want to burn the bridge yet and alienate Filatov.
by whatsinaname on Nov 16, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe earlier but at this point I think Filatov's just struggling
Whether it’s confidence or what, he’s just struggling. So he’s struggling in the AHL rather than struggling more and playing less in the NHL.
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No use even commenting on this...
“Jared Crozier asks if Zenon Konopka is fighting too much. Through 13 games, he has already had eight fights, most of them of the pointless variety. Konopka has had a total of 89 minutes and 14 seconds of ice time, meaning that he is in a fight every 11 minutes and 9 seconds. Granted I am against all fighting in hockey, but this is just absurd and a it is a case of a guy trying to justify his existence on a team. I also disagree with Jared in that I don’t feel Konopka will have a job in this league without fighting. He is not even being used for face-offs lately, yielding to Jesse Winchester. (SenShot)”
Suffice as to say that the glass half full analysis would say that Konopka showed his flexibility in the fact that he can slide into the role of winger on the 4th line and shows the coach wants him in the lineup…
Or…that’s he is the only there until Chris Neil comes back. Unless you think Konopka is going to keep Neil out of the lineup.
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"... Konopka is going to keep Neil out of the lineup"
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Yup glass half empty response….or Butler moves up the lineup if he is starting to score…Neil is a third liner
Give Greening a game off or maybe Foligno when he cools down!!
by fridgefullofmeat on Nov 16, 2011 2:07 PM EST reply actions
No points last night; guy is a tease ;-)
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I thought he had an assist on the Alfie goal?
Also had a puck slide tantalizing close to the post.
by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 16, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
He totally did
JOKE FAIL.
In all seriousness… I missed the game. Did he look good?
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Decent game, that line played well.
No beautiful toe drags followed by rifled shots over Kipper’s shoulder (that was left to others). But certainly pulled his weight on the second line, and almost had a goal with some good net presence and hard work.
by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 16, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he'll grow up some day
This is precisely why I did not get excited when we tried our little experiment with Filatov. This is Filatov being Filatov… figuring he is entitled to a spot beside Spezza. Well, I didn’t count his shifts but it looked pretty much like he got the same shot everybody else got… and he didn’t perform. Period.
So he went to the AHL and from the looks of it, he mailed it in there just like he did before. The real disaster here is watching him with his skills and then seeing what he does with those skills and his mental outlook… beliefs… whatever you want to call it. It just doesn’t translate into an NHL player. He should be leading the league in every category and tearing it up every night.
Instead his agent is threatening to leave if he doesn’t get what is entitled to him.
I don’t know him well enough to know what’s missing with this guy. The lower leagues are fiilled with super talented guys who for one reason or another don’t make it.
So let him go back to Russia and perhaps he will grow up some day, but don’t count on it.
None of this is fair
Filatov never acted entitled to anything, and none of the reports out of Binghamton have him mailing in anything.
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by Mark Parisi on Nov 16, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I used my words to communicate my anger
That’s what girls want to see, right?
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by Mark Parisi on Nov 16, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
It seems like some people see what they want to see in Filatov, and judge him based on that.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 16, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Armchair assessment
Unless you have spent every day hanging out with him, you can’t really make an accurate assessment on whether or not he is “figuring he is entitled.”
Another problem with the Filatov handling
Is the reaction of other players to it. When another prospect (Robin Lehner) openly says that you don’t deserve to be in the AHL that is a problem. Also, this would appear to be the time to give Filatov a shot. The top six hasn’t been setting the world on fire lately, and this is a problem. Spezza needs someone like Filatov to play with as much as Filatov needs someone like Spezza. We need to get that top line going again and Greening clearly isn’t doing that.
Spezza and Filatov both like to have the puck. That actually may not be a very good combination. Too soon to tell, but not necessarily a recipe for success.
Didn't that combination get tried out in the preseason?
And wasn’t it a bit meh?
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Spezza only played 3 preseason games, one of which was that awful game in Newfoundland, so I wouldn’t say it was exactly tried out. I’m not sure why everyone is so polarized about Filatov. Don’t we want all of our prospects to succeed and get playing time? Usually people would want a former 6th overall selection to play top six minutes, especially on a rebuilding team. That would only be reinforced by a top line that has 5 points together in the last 5 games. Maybe its just me.
Am I one of those people who's "so polarized" about Fialtov?
I want to see him back, but from what I saw last Sunday he’s not ready yet.
Plus even if it was just for one game, I do remember seeing Filatov line up with Spezza and being underwhelmed. I’m not saying to never try it again, but it’s not like it’s totally new and has never been tried before.
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Spezza excels when he’s playing with someone who has puck skills. The CASH line worked because Alfie is also a play maker. Obviously he has digressed some since then and is more useful on the second line now, but there aren’t many players who have the passing and finishing skills on the Sens to be a good compliment to Spezza. Da Costa would be interesting, but that makes the second line a bit of a mess. Filatov is one of the few others who brings both of these skills.
Filatov's skill set has been much touted
but there has been little evidence of it at the NHL level or AHL. I want him to succeed for obvious reasons, but there has been no record of success in the NHL nor the AHL. There were some gleam of speed and puck skill…..I don’t know what to make of the guy.
by whatsinaname on Nov 16, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see the Lehner thing as relevant at all
If Filatov didn’t deserve to be in the AHL, he’d have more than six points in ten games. Lehner was complimenting a friend (probably) and teammate.
As for the top six presently, they’re not scoring at the same pace, but there are players who will step up before Filatov, because Filatov isn’t setting the world on fire; he’s barely even keeping it warm.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 16, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm not putting much stock in what Lehner says
Especially when he said it several games ago and when Filatov’s PPG average was way higher.
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I just trust Paulrus
And so should Filatov and all of you. I haven’t seen him set a whisker of that magnificent moustache wrong yet, and so he has my deference on all these matters until he loses it (which I hope does not happen).
I also trust Murray and the scouting/development staff with issues like this.
by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 16, 2011 2:45 PM EST reply actions
I’ve been happy with almost everything MacLean has done. I love the style of hockey he advocates playing. But, that doesn’t mean I will agree with everything he does though.
I am not exactly asking for him to be canned though. ;)
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Agree? Maybe not.
But trust. We’ve seen a number of players handled very well this season. I like what he’s done with the young defensemen, with Gonchar and his early struggles, with the lines, with Butler, etc.
So even if I would do something different based on what I assume is my NHL-coach-level knowledge and experience, I’m willing to believe that Paulrus and Murray have a plan for all of this.
by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 16, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Well, obviously he knows more about hockey than me
But if I can’t understand a decision from my own perspective, I can’t just go “Well, MacLean knows best”.
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Oh. I can.
I guess we’re just not exactly the same person.
by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 16, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
There's a big difference between agreeing with what he does and trusting that his judgment is good, though
There are lots of things (example: drafting Zibanejad) where I didn’t agree at the time but I’m reserving judgment for a while and trusting in MacLean and BMur to see more than I do.
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The one possible exception
Someone mentioned a few days ago that they thought Konopka was signed because Paulrus wanted him. But then Paulrus keeps scratching him and only gives him tiny minutes when he actually draws in. So that makes me wonder… Paulrus wanted him for what, exactly?
DISCLAIMER: I am in no way commenting on the merits of Konopka, Konopka’s signing/being scratched/spot in the roster/role on the team/perceived merit by bloggers or anything else to do with Konopka. I am commenting on Paulrus.
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I do if it's on something I sign!
I don’t sign anything I don’t read.
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Well you are still in a minority
Most people don’t read fine print even when they sign stuff.
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I know they don't
Just like most people don’t ever send in rebates when they get them. But somewhere along the way I became a skeptical jerk with a chip on his shoulder, so I don’t like feeling taken advantage of.
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It makes me feel good about myself
It makes my girlfriend roll her eyes so hard
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You're kidding!
What little girl doesn’t dream of one day finding herself a skeptical jerk with a chip on his shoulder?
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You've never heard of Prince Doubting?!
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Obviously as pointed out I am biased in this case however not liking the times he has been scratched the coach had a game plan with him and he realizes that if he does begrudgingly scratch Konopka realizes as a veteran he won’t be a distraction, cancer or sulk about it.
See Bissonette and his role in Phoenix to get your answer….
I could understand Paulrus wanting him
Good faceoff guy, supposedly great in the locker room.
MacLean’s coming on to a team where he knows he’s got Spezza on faceoffs and that’s it. Z. Smith is emerging as a quality guy, and Winch is doing decently also, but there’s no way MacLean could know that at the time. If puck possession was his goal, then winning faceoffs would be a high priority.
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“Good faceoff guy, supposedly great in the locker room.
MacLean’s coming on to a team where he knows he’s got Spezza on faceoffs and that’s it. Z. Smith is emerging as a quality guy, and Winch is doing decently also, but there’s no way MacLean could know that at the time. If puck possession was his goal, then winning faceoffs would be a high priority."
Agreed….
K, but my recollection is that Konopka has never really been put into that faceoff spotlight
It’s not my impression of the season that Konopka’s role has shifted as MacLean realized that others were good at faceoffs and could stay out there after. No, my impression is that from the beginning, Konopka’s barely being played, which makes me wonder why exactly MacLean wanted him. To not play him?
I mean, you don’t have to work in the Sens’ management to realize that this is a team with plent y of experience and leadership and whatnot already, as much as I know Konopka has that rep. I don’t buy MacLean wanting him because the team seemed to be lacking in off-ice leadership.
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“No, my impression is that from the beginning, Konopka’s barely being played, which makes me wonder why exactly MacLean wanted him. To not play him?”
Why did Bissonnette get a 2 yr contract extension in Phoenix??
I don't follow the Coyotes so I really can't tell you
But last I checked, that had nothing to do with Paulrus.
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Well, I know that for at least the first 9 games, Konopka was taking the majority of Mikachu's defensive zone faceoffs
So there has been at least some shift in his role. Maybe not a major shift, but that could be because he didn’t have a major role to begin with.
I could see him being brought in simply as faceoff insurance, and as MacLean realized he didn’t need him, there was no need to ever put him in the spotlight from the start. If Z. Smith were to go down, for instance, you have to figure Konopka’s role would grow.
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Maybe
Anyway I just thought it would be odd if the coach wanted him that much and then used him that little. Meh.
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I know what you mean
My sense is just that it was a “I need a guy like this… actually, I guess I don’t” kind of situation.
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“Anyway I just thought it would be odd if the coach wanted him that much and then used him that little. Meh.”
Again I go back to the Bissonnette example, look up his stats and the amount of games he plays…he got a 2 yr contract extension.
That's not a good comparison, though
Because the discussion is why MacLean would want Konopka. MacLean wasn’t involved with Phoenix at all, so there’s not much sense in trying to point out comparable players there, or anywhere where MacLean wasn’t involved.
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Well, I mean, it's not totally irrelevant
I think what gwplant is trying to say is that some organizations value the kind of skillset that a guy like Konopka can bring, and that Bissonnette is another example of that happening, so it’s at least plausible that MacLean could value a guy like that as well.
It’s the wording, not the sentiment necessarily, that makes it a bad comparison.
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I still don't see how it's at all relevant
At least not to my comments (maybe to someone else’s). My point was 1) I trust Paulrus, but 2) I don’t see why Paulrus wanted Konopka since he doesn’t seem to have ever really used him for much.
Sure we can talk about teams going after certain role players and then changing their minds or finding that it doesn’t work out or whatever. But I was only ever looking at this team and this coach, so I don’t see how Phoenix has any bearing on why MacLean wanted Konopka.
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Well, presumably MacLean has been watching the moves of the league around him
So perhaps he saw the value of a guy like Bissonnette to Phoenix?
I don’t know. I’m not denying that it’s a pretty tenuous link. I’ll probably shut up because it’s so tenuous it’s not really worth defending.
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For the second time, please explain what Phoenix and Bissonnette have to do with MacLean.
They’re owned by the NHL after a string of other owners didn’t work out. Obviously they’re not known for having the best management.
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My point was it is a comparable role and the demand for the role and what the role entails…it’s a necessity, I am assuming not having been here last year that Carkner must have received the same sort of criticism with him many encounters with Orr…
Well, Detroit doesn’t have a goon. That’s a comparable too. What does that prove?
Carkner is a regular defenceman that plays 13-14 minutes a night. Konopka can win face-offs and fight. If he loses the face-off, then you have the problem of Zenon Konopka playing hockey.
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Zenon Konopka has scored one goal
Maybe PM always thought Detroit should have a good.
(I’ve also stated there was more to it than goonery)
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“Carkner is a regular defenceman that plays 13-14 minutes a night. Konopka can win face-offs and fight. If he loses the face-off, then you have the problem of Zenon Konopka playing hockey.”
So you didn’t have a problem when Carkner was fighting ORR in a “meaningful” fight??
I have a problem with anyone fighting in hockey
Just more so with Konopka.
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“I have a problem with anyone fighting in hockey
Just more so with Konopka."
What did he not sign your program or hockey card or something? Seriously you refuse to see any of the positives whatsoever no matter how small…
That's just how Adnan is, though.
He hates fighting without exception and (unless I’ve missed a change in opinion), doesn’t agree that a fight can ever accomplish something good.
So he dislikes Konopka more than others (I assume) because Konopka doesn’t have the upside of Neil and ZSmith (and Carks last season). Those guys are all fighters who do other stuff well on the ice, whereas Konopka is a fighter whose only other upside on the ice is faceoffs.
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That's probably a bit unfair.
He’s not Colton Orr.
by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 16, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
“So he dislikes Konopka more than others (I assume) because Konopka doesn’t have the upside of Neil and ZSmith (and Carks last season). Those guys are all fighters who do other stuff well on the ice, whereas Konopka is a fighter whose only other upside on the ice is faceoffs.”
I disagree those are players who occasionally fight and also receive more than twice as much ice time on higher playing lines…
Wrong wording, I think
It’s not that you have more of a problem with it with Konopka, it’s that you don’t feel Konopka has as many other upsides as Carkner did.
I think Adnan's point was that Carkner did a lot more and fought a lot less.
Carks turned out to be one of our most consistent D in a season of horrible D. Plus I think a lot of us got excited when he fought Orr because of that one fight (maybe the first one?) when Carks totally clobbered him.
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“Carks turned out to be one of our most consistent D in a season of horrible D. Plus I think a lot of us got excited when he fought Orr because of that one fight (maybe the first one?) when Carks totally clobbered him.”
Were any of the fights against ORR meaningful?? Just because Konopka a smaller player doesn’t “clobber” like a much bigger player, he is being held to a different standard in your eyes?
That one I'm talking about when Carks kicked Orr's ass was!
Still makes me smile remembering it! But no I’m not saying his fights were meaningful – frankly I think Neil’s on a whole other level in that department, at least compared to the rest of the Senators.
I’m just saying there was probably less criticism because Carks was bringing more tangible benefits on top of the fighting. And as someone (Mark?) pointed out, there was still criticism about Carks taking those penalties.
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“I’m just saying there was probably less criticism because Carks was bringing more tangible benefits on top of the fighting. And as someone (Mark?) pointed out, there was still criticism about Carks taking those penalties.”
As stated earlier he was also playing 10-12 mins per game compared to 6 mins…no one is saying Carkner is not a steady defenceman I just think there is a double standard going on here.
There was defintitely some frustration with one of our best PK guys missing minutes for fighting
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Well there are teams that want that role, sure.
But I don’t understand why MacLean would. I’m pretty skeptical that he brought Konopka in so that he could fight – I’m much more inclined to buy into the faceoff-insurance idea above.
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Agreed
It’s not like he didn’t know Neil and Carkner’s reputations when he got on board. It’s really hard to believe that he’d think he’d need another fighter.
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Plus ZSmith made it pretty clear last season that he's willing to drop the gloves
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“Well there are teams that want that role, sure.
But I don’t understand why MacLean would. I’m pretty skeptical that he brought Konopka in so that he could fight – I’m much more inclined to buy into the faceoff-insurance idea above."
I agreee with you and what you are saying is they brought him in to play and not fight….you are helping my cause.
Except that he's pratically fighting as much as he's skating
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Let's just all agree
That Konopka has an unbelievably high minutes-played to hours-discussed-on-S7S ratio.
It’s off the charts.
by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 16, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Well, technically...
If you’re only looking at hours played for Ottawa, Landeskog is at infinity.
I think you have it backwards
Minutes-played to Hours-discussed ratio is actually very, very, low. ;)
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One possible reason?
Presence. Paul is an old time hockey guy from the days players policed themselves. He knew with the ‘D’ on this team that Carkner wouldn’t be drawing into the lineup every night & he saw more than an enforcer roll from Neil. He wanted someone on the bench for the nights Carkner wasn’t available to keep guys from taking liberties on the team.
Konopka is also reputed to be one of the best team guys out there. When you have a young team, that helps to build the comradarie & bonds the team together.
In short, Konopka was signed for the intangibles he brings, not for his skills.
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Everyone thinks they have enough.
Everyone knows that Daugavins has the best moustache potential.
Konopka’s just looks dirty.
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It's possible
But I don’t think Konopka has played the enforcer role very well, if that was a reason he was coveted. His fights so far don’t seem to be motivated by protection, but more like a sense of fighting simply for fighting’s sake.
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Depends on how you define the enforcer role
How do you develop a reputation as an enforcer? – By fighting other enforcers. He has to show that he’s willing to drop the gloves with anyone – and win fights – for the other team to have ‘the fear’. Otherwise he’s just a plugger sitting on the bench.
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I guess so
But I don’t really think he needs to “build a reputation as an enforcer” at this point in his career. It’s not like this is his first year racking up fights. and his choice of dance partners hasn’t exactly been of the “enforcer” caliber either.
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Still has to show he's willing to do it
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Well, he's definitely shown it
Now he can stop and save the fights for when they’re meaningful.
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If anyone was "fearful" of Konopka
Then Alfredsson wouldn’t get hit in the head.
I could possibly come around to even respecting fighting if it actually prevented this crap. But it’s just a blood thirsty revenge after the fact.
Now goes, “Aww man, I’d really like to nail Karlsson from behind…but I might have to get punched by Chris Neil”
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To be fair, Alfie was hit after Konopka was ejected.
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“Okay whatever, Neil then”
Neil is known throughout the league as someone who picks his spots and his opponents…been like that for years.
And that's why his fights can actually accomplish something.
I’ve seen Neil fight when the team was down and playing like crap, and I’ve seen the team wake up as a result. Much better use of the enforcer role than fighting any time an opponent wants to.
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Not Neil then
We were discussing Konopka & why he’s here. Neil brings much more to the team than fear.
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No, my point is that “fear” of a fighter doesn’t prevent anything.
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I disagree
Mainly because fear of getting beaten up has kept me from doing lots of stupid stuff.
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It's true
I’d totally punch Dany Heatley in the face if I wasn’t afraid that he’d hit me back even though I’m a girl and much smaller than him.
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You should totally punch him
It’s my celebrity fight theory!
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Saving it for Crosby
After all, I know he won’t hit me back. He’ll probably just try to get Bettman to ban me from ever going to an NHL game again.
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He won't hit you back because he'll be concussed after you tag him
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He's a jerk
But he’s not Joe Corvo.
by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 16, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
According to wikipedia
I haven’t checked the sources.
by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 16, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
And his timing seems to be lacking
I know players don’t always have control over when they fight, but unlike other players Konopka’s fights never seem to come at opportune moments. The best I can say is just that sometimes they’re not at inopportune ones.
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I still don't buy it
No one looks at the Senators lineup with Alfie, Phillips, Spezza, Neil and Gonchar and thinks to themselves “I just wish I had more leadership. You know, someone to mentor the rookies.”
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It isn't about mentoring or leadership necessarily
He’s a team guy. The party guy. The guy everyone likes to be around because he’s fun. He’ll stand up for anyone. All those names you mentioned (Neil excepted)- there would be a tendency for the kids to put them on a pedestal because of who they are and what they’ve done. There is a reason it was only a one year deal he signed.
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OMG! Chris Phillips!
THE Chris Phillips of own-goal-in-the-Stanley-Cup-finals fame!
I kid. I actually do love Philly. But the idea of anyone but Cowen putting him on a pedestal amuses me, and even then it seems a bit off.
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You don't love him enough.
Phillips is a class shut-down defendor. If Jared Cowen doesn’t have him on a pedestal…well he damn well hould.
by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 16, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I think he's (well, used to be anyway) a perfect example of that kind of player
But at the same time, he’s not a huge name if you get outside of Ottawa, and he seems to be a really humble, unassuming, genuinely nice guy. I picture him as taking Cowen under his wing and mentoring him rather than being put on a pedestal. Phillips just seems way too approachable to go on a pedestal.
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Okay, its hard to be mad at that.
He is always patting everyone on the bum. Hard to do that from a pedestal (unless you have really long arms or a really short pedestal).
by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 16, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
I can easily see it.
Next to Alfie, Phillips kind of defines the franchise because he’s been here for so long. He’s established, he’s got a family, he’s 10 – 15 years older than the kids and he’s mroe reserved than a guy like Konopka. I can see how Phillips would be very intimidating to a rookie or a young guy trying to get established.
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But he's like a big teddy bear!
I really don’t see Philly being intimidating. Maybe by reputation, but he seems like such a nice guy that he’d really try to make the younger guys feel welcome, even if it’s in a more reserved way than, say, Konopka.
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I was only postulating reasons Konopka might have been signed
I was merely stating that Konopka brings things to the team other than hockey skills that other guys don’t. & now I’ll add, or in another way that may make it easier for someguys to feel included.
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“One possible reason?
Presence. Paul is an old time hockey guy from the days players policed themselves. He knew with the ‘D’ on this team that Carkner wouldn’t be drawing into the lineup every night & he saw more than an enforcer roll from Neil. He wanted someone on the bench for the nights Carkner wasn’t available to keep guys from taking liberties on the team.
Konopka is also reputed to be one of the best team guys out there. When you have a young team, that helps to build the comradarie & bonds the team together.
In short, Konopka was signed for the intangibles he brings, not for his skills."
Agreed…and those on the inside and have either coached or coached against him know this
For gwplant and also for me, how do you do the quoting function that I see people use?
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When you open the reply box, it's the button between strikethrough and link
4th from the left
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Hahaha, no worries, I just wanted to use the quotes and I didn’t know what else to say.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 17, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
30 ballots daily through which platform?
Cause it wouldn’t let me vote again yesterday.
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Think I'm a victim of poor wording
“Log in daily to vote! …but only 30 times total”
Yeah, thats kind of dumb
But at this way it will keep all but the most dedicated of Sens haters from stuffing the ballot box more than 90 times – which I don’t really understand. If you’re going to limit it to 90, why don’t you just let everyone vote once?
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Because lots of people will vote once,
But it takes a certain amount of dedication to be willing to vote all 90 times.
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Try 10,000 times.
You don’t need a real email address.
You can vote thousands upon thousand of times. MILLIONS even.
All you need is no life, some bitterness and an internet connection…and who has plenty of all three? OH HI, DR. LEAFS!
by Quizzical Quorum on Nov 16, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
No, it's 30 total.
But 30 through each platform.
Also if you’re entering the contest for tickets, voting more than 30 times could get all of your entries thrown out.
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Does anyone have Bryan Murray's direct quote about Nikita Filatov and a shot at the top six?
Because, in my opinion, “a chance to be in the top six” is quite different than “a chance in the top six.”
The former includes the opportunity of finding your way into that position; the latter implies time spent in that position.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 16, 2011 3:14 PM EST reply actions
I did a quick search, can’t find it though. I did find Filatov saying he was promised top six and power play though.
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But I recall Murray saying something about top six too.
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Might be broken telephone
It was likely skewed by Filatov’s understanding of English, and then its translation into Russian and back into English.
I’m not sure as I obviously wasn’t there, but… yeah
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 16, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
I recall reading somewhere (Citizen or Sun, or here) that either BM or PM said that he would get top 6 minutes…
I remember Murray saying "a real good look" or something
and MacLean saying he was brought in here to be a top 6 guy, or something. Nothing concrete. Probably trying to help bring up his confidence, too, or something.
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Have I got your attention? Good. Here are some relevant quotes from the summer and pre-season:
Garrioch (June 25): “Filatov is going to get a chance to fill the club’s need for a top-six forward at training camp in September.”
Murray (June 25): “We called our three pro scouts and we discussed it (with coach) Paul MacLean because he’s got to be willing to give him the chance. […] No disrepect to (Columbus) or anything, but (Filatov) didn’t feel he got a great chance there under their former regime. […] When he made a mistake, he didn’t get back on the ice there. When young players make mistakes, you have to be willing to live with them, as long as they’re working hard. We’re willing to take a chance. Gamble or chance? I don’t know if it’s gamble. He’s got a lot of talent. He’s still got a lot of his career left and we’re hoping he can develop. […] If it doesn’t work for him, then we’ll put somebody else in that spot.”
Murray (June 27): " Il y a trois ans, il a été le sixième joueur sélectionné lors du repêchage. Ça vaut la peine de prendre une chance. Il va débarquer dans une formation qui a des besoins criants à l’attaque. Il aura la chance de jouer le rôle dont il a toujours rêvé. Paul MacLean le connaît bien, il a eu la chance de le voir jouer plus souvent que nous quand il travaillait à Détroit. Il est emballé à l’idée de le diriger. "
Murray (June 27): "It’s an absolute steal if he plays in the top-six (forwards), and, if he can’t do that, somebody else gets a chance to play that role. […] Why is it a gamble? He’s a great kid. He’s a guy who has high-end skill who wants to be an NHL player. I think it’s a chance to acquire something for a third-round pick that would otherwise we wouldn’t get. […] You’ll watch and I’ll watch at camp and we’ll figure out if he’s good enough. It’s as simple as that."
Tim Murray (June 29): “Filatov will be given every opportunity for at a Top 6 job with the Senators if he works hard, assistant GM Tim Murray said.” [Brennan]
This “lost in translation?” one:
@dchesnokov Dmitry Chesnokov
Nikita Filatov tells SovSport he was promised a 1st or a 2nd line spot as well as PP time after a talk with #Sens GM
MacLean (September 18): "He’s a top-six draft pick. He’s got high-end speed and high-end skill. I’d like to see him have a bit more of nose and be a little bit more diligent without the puck, but those are things that we can teach."
MacLean (September 20): "I think he has more to prove to himself that he can play in the NHL. […] We believe he can play in the NHL, so I guess he has to prove that to us. But I think it’s more about him than it is about us. We’re giving him the opportunity here to be the player he believes he is, and we think he can be that kind of player, as well. […] He might have a reputation through the league or something. But he’s just a young player who’s learning how to play in the NHL, and it’s a hard league to play in. […] Sometimes it doesn’t go your way when you’re starting to play. […] But he doesn’t have a reputation with me. He’s here to play with the Ottawa Senators, and we’re trying to give him that opportunity."
MacLean (October 3): “We felt that if Nikita was going to play on our team, it was going to be in the top six. He has the still level to be a top-six forward in this league, so we’re giving him that opportunity. I don’t think he’s played his way out of that opportunity at this point.”
Murray (October 7): “If Nikita Filatov could get 20, we would be incredibly happy, but I don’t know if we thought that he would be a goal scorer. I think he’s a playmaker. I think he’s a guy that creates offence by the way he skates and handles the puck.”
Murray (October 13): "We’ve asked (Filatov) to play hard, have the right frame of mind, and that’s what he says he’s going to do. […] [Bryan Murray said he didn’t want Filatov sitting around, and that’s what he would have been doing here since the indication from coach Paul MacLean was that he wasn’t going to play through the weekend.] […] “Filatov is a skilful player who sees the ice well, handles the puck well, and passes it well. But if he’s going to play on one of the top two lines, he has to get some points and he has to be more competitive in battling for the puck. […] If he does all that, then obviously we have to keep a close eye on him.”
by sensory_experience on Nov 16, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So basically you're telling me that the only promise was from Garrioch
And Brennan quoting Tim Murray. Other than that, we have tweets repeating something Filatov said.
Nothing else in there sounds like more than vague, typical GM comments.
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Exactly, thank you
The Sens have not done what they said they would. The MacLean one about Filatov not playing himself off, and if he is playing he will play top six…clearly he didn’t on his 4 game return.
A lot and lot of quotes about Filatov getting top 6 chances. I know people will nit pick and find some word or two that helps defend Murray/MacLean, but Filatov simply hasn’t been given the chance he was publicly promised.
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by Adnan on Nov 16, 2011 6:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree.
But I think there’s blame on both sides.
Filatov can be blamed if he totally bought into what Murray and MacLean said publicly (because everyone in the league knows better than to believe every word that a coach or GM says publicly) and Murray and MacLean can be blamed for poor management of a player with a history of conflicts with management.
They knew he had this history, but went ahead and made promises anyway.
So you're relying on the Oct 3 MacLean quote?
Because that isn’t a promise. If anything it suggests that he’ll get another shot at the top 6 when they decide he’s ready to come back. That’s not what you were saying, you were saying he was promised a chance to play in the top 6, and I see that in exactly three of those: Garrioch talking about training camp, Tim Murray as quoted by Brennan, and Chesnokov’s tweet that just repeats what Filatov told him.
This doesn’t make your point at all.
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A chance to play in the top six means that he can play in the top six if he earns it. It doesn’t mean you’re placed in that role for 5 games, 10 games, or 20 games. He was put there, he didn’t perform to MacLean’s liking, and he was bumped down. He hasn’t shown that he can play there yet, but if he does, he’ll be given another chance in the top 6.
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Kuba on PK
As I mentioned, the guy played 6:33 of shorthanded ice time last night.
Cowen played the 2nd most at 5:36
Karlsson didn’t play any, Lee only 1 minute.
Anyone else find it surprising given Phillips wasn’t in the box for any of them? Phillips still played 4 minutes mind you.
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Kuba, Cowen, Phillips are best PK d-men
It makes sense to me that Kuba and Cowen are both getting lots of PK minutes. Both have big bodies to block shots and long reach to break up plays. Cowen is not bad at clearing the front of the net and is only going to get better with experience. Kuba is pretty good at intercepting passes normally plays well positionally. Philips is probably the next best penalty killer, so the distribution of minutes makes perfect sense if you ask me.
Cowen is being groomed to be the Senators #1 PK d-man the way Karlsson will be their #1 PP guy.
Yeah I agree with that, but Kuba getting more than any of the other 2? Just a minute or two, but still seemed odd.
Also, I was chatting to Peter yesterday, and I noticed on the PK, when Karlsson is on the ice, the Senators allow the least shots per 60 minutes. He only plays 1:16 a game though. And that is fine, he is better used else where.
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Kuba leads the team & is tied for 9th overall in blocked shots
Amazing – but makes sense why he’s getting so much PK time.
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Everyone thinks they have enough.
Seems to me that Paulrus has no problem playing the hot hand
Based on those numbers, I’d have to say he felt Kuba was the hot hand. Definitely surprising, though.
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Filatov update from Mendes
Bryan Murray acknowledges Filatov rumor. Says he has scheduled meeting with Filatov at end of month. Story coming to Sportsnet.ca shortly.
Filatov has expressed unhappiness at playing in Binghamton and KHL club has been in contact with Sens. Next 2 weeks will be interesting.
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And from Panzeri
Central Red Army has called the Senators about Filatov. The KHL must honour NHL contracts so Filatov cant leave without permission.
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Lastly from Garrioch
Nikita Filatov would like to return to Russia. GM Bryan Murray has told him to wait out the situation with OTT until the end of November.
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Man. Communication really is vital, isn't it?
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Hoooonk hoooonk honk honk hooooonk
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Amusing blog from Mendes about interviewing Alfie after the own-goal.
I told him that not many players would have agreed to speak on live television after scoring into their own net.
His response?
“Hey, I’m just happy to find the back of the net any way I can.”
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2011/11/16/mendes_alfredsson/
Wow!
So I was expecting 200 comments about Filatov, but instead find 195 about Konopka and 5 about Filatov. :p
by Pmoron on Nov 16, 2011 5:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I have trouble getting worked up over the Filatov thing.
And at least the Konopka debates have gotten more reasonable.
by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 16, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
They have? Oh I'm sorry
KONOPKA FOR ALTERNATE CAPTAIN! RETIRE KONOPKA’S NUMBER!
How’s that for unreasonable?
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What?
You sounded upset that the debate got more reasonable. I was trying to fix it.
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Less upset, more pleased.
If I wanted to have meaningless angry arguments I’d be commenting on TSN articles.
by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 16, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Nope.
Though if this was the bottom of a tsn article about the Senators you’d be having a strangely angry and almost violent argument about whether the Leafs or Senators are better [hint: there’s no real answer].
by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 16, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
I want someone to prepare a tribute video...
…to air on the video board at SBP, of Konopka’s greatest moments as a Senator. It will be precisely 23 seconds long.
Could we get Rooster to sing "Time of Your Life" for the background music?
by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 16, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
“I want someone to prepare a tribute video…
…to air on the video board at SBP, of Konopka’s greatest moments as a Senator. It will be precisely 23 seconds long."
Classy….so you all had the same opinions of McGratton when he was here then?? Cause as I read more each day on this site, having only started recently, it sure seems like a big ole Zenon Konopka pile on love in….funny I thought the fans in TBay and NYI were harsh but they actually loved him in both especially TBay and he is the mayor in Syracuse….but some of the fans in Ottawa??? Wow….
gwplant — I think they’re just joking about the fact that Konopka hasn’t been with the Senators for a long time, hasn’t had much ice-time, and hasn’t done much anything of note in his time here yet.
Although there was that time he did the really ridiculous dangle and then didn’t score. that was awesome.
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Like Darren said, totally a joke. Nothing personal against Konopka, just playing off of AlfieGirl’s suggestion that his number should be retired. Because the idea of retiring the number of a guy who’s been on the team for 7 weeks, and the idea of making a video board tribute to that guy, are both hilarious.
Nothing more.
I don’t understand why there’s so much touchiness about this guy!
There are alot of negative comments about Konopka here
Are people saying he has no place on this team? If so, why is he here and why is McLean playing him instead of Butler earlier, or why not Filatov or someone else from Bingo? Is his value only recognized by management?
by whatsinaname on Nov 17, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
We obviously care "toolot" about Konopka judging from all the posts.
someone had a great time above…
by whatsinaname on Nov 17, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
I agree to some extent.
I too think the hate-on for Konopka gets excessive.
I think he’s a role player. I also think he’s getting roasted on here because people don’t like his role.
I do think that Neil does what Konopka does better than Konopka (with the obvious exception of faceoffs, which do matter). However, I suppose they keep Konopka around because there are situations where a man of Konopka’s skills are needed.
Finally, I think he’s getting roasted on here because people are wumming gwplant a bit because of his consistent and ardent defense of Konopka. I have nothing against defending your favorite player to the death (I’d be awfully hypocritical if I did), but it does lead to a lot of people playing devil’s advocate and looking to wind you up.
by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 17, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I think most of it by now is kickback from all the vigorous Konopka praise
Also trying to make a joke about it and accidentally reigniting the whole debate. Or saying his name even if you’re not actually talking about him and accidentally reigniting the whole debate.
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I for one don't get Konopka
He is not even that good a fighter, but apparently, management feels he performs a role on the team. Yea, methinks gwplant protests too much.
by whatsinaname on Nov 17, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Oh good lord
This debate finally trailed off and you’re starting it up again!
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Someone suggested earlier that gwplant might be Konopka
but then, when gw continued to post during a game, I was thinking, my Gad, Konopka is posting to us from the game and PM is okay with this?
by whatsinaname on Nov 17, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
I don't feel that there's a hate-on for Konopka
I just don’t think he brings a lot of value to the Ottawa Senators.
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Pens fan perspective
I watched every Sens game that Filatov was in this year and honestly I’m not sure why he hasn’t been given more of a chance. He didn’t play bad, his passing was good and his defense was there. He just didn’t shoot, at all, like really I think he has 4 shots through 6 games? If he wants to stick with the Sens he needs to shoot, simple as that IMHO. He has the skill but for some reason is a little emo girl and if his confidence isn’t at 100% he’s no better than throwing a dog on a sled on the ice…
I’m almost ready to pull the trigger in calling him a bust…I’ve supported him too long and he hasn’t helped me at all in not looking like an idiot…talent is one thing, heart is another. Guess which one he doesn’t have..
It sounds like he has both
But no cojones.
by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 16, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Or CBJ’s system castrated him which seems like the best explanation. Their system and management flat out sucks!
by Geno McFleury on Nov 16, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Ya. Before he got there...
Pascal was unbreakable.
by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 16, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
It’s a shame that either Yakupov or Grigorenko will be sucked into that black hole this summer…
by Geno McFleury on Nov 16, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yakupov and Grigorenko can pull a Lindros
and demand to be traded to Ottawa.
by whatsinaname on Nov 16, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
The first time, at least
Did you still think he was good on that brief call-up?
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With backchecking? Yes
Positionally is where his play struggles, in my opinion (mostly because I’ve been looking for what I think MacLean might not by happy with). You want him to chase down the puck carrier? No problem. You want him to read the play and get in the right place to defend it, or read the takeaway and be in position for a quick breakout? Not so much.
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That, and shooting
Didn’t he average less than a shot per game on his last stint up here? Call me crazy, but I would like my players to top that.
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Hey Peter
Remember that Heshka guy who you said you’d never heard of? Apparently he was not actually a call-up, but it doesn’t really matter because he got traded. Link
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to sum up this wacko thread
I’d like to see Filatov play on the 2nd line. Move Foligno to the middle and send Da Costa to Bingo. Give Filatov 10 games (ish…). Play him 12-15 minutes a game and see what shakes out.
If the effort and defensive game is there, stick with him as the points should come. If he’s not commited enough then let him walk and bring Da Costa back up.
At this point, I’d MUCH rather have the 3rd round pick back. BMurray / Paulrus haven’t given him enough of a chance. It’s really that simple. Practice is practice but a solid 10 games is what I’d like.
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I'm okay with that plan as long as you don't insist on doing it right now.
He was seriously invisible in the Bingo game on Sunday and I’m really skeptical that he’ll improve as soon as we bring him up. Last time he was up here, Paulrus said that his confidence had disappeared, and I doubt that a slump in Bingo after he went back did much to help fix that.
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I’d like to see Filatov play on the 2nd line. Move Foligno to the middle and send Da Costa to Bingo. Give Filatov 10 games (ish…). Play him 12-15 minutes a game and see what shakes out.
If the effort and defensive game is there, stick with him as the points should come. If he’s not commited enough then let him walk and bring Da Costa back up.
I don’t think we can just expect Filatov to produce when he seems to be running cold right now. Maybe get him some PP time and let him spend some time on Alfie’s line. He needs to see some success to gain confidence and playing 7 minutes a game on the 4th line isn’t going to get him going. Let him essentially play for his NHL career. If he’s got something deep down let him show it. Letting him rot in the AHL when the whole team is faltering makes little sense when we have given up an asset to acquire him. At least put in some effort to try and maximize the return on that trade.
by modsuperstar on Nov 16, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. Like I said, at this point with the way he’s been handled, I’d prefer the 3rd rounder.
Give him a proper shot playing with guys who’s name don’t rhyme with Tennon Blonoptra or let him go.
Also, if they could call him up for Sunday’s game in Vancouver, that would be even better….cause I’ll be there!
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I disagree that he hasn't been handled well
He handled the reassignment to the AHL well and I think BMur and MacLean have been pretty open about what they want him to work on. He got called up because there was a chance we’d need the extra body, but I don’t think anyone really thought he had fixed what he needed to fix by then. Add into that the fact that he really struggled on that call-up and has struggled since going back to Bingo, I don’t think anyone can say that sending him back the second time was unfair.
Butler in the Calgary game is a perfect example of a player making more out of limited 4th line minutes. I’m not saying Filatov can thrive there, but he can do better than what he showed us (didn’t he have like 3 shots in 6 games or something?), and until he does I don’t see how it’s a problem with us handling him.
Plus seriously he was invisible in Bingo on Sunday. Everyone who wants to bring him back keeps ignoring that part.
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the fact that he really struggled on that call-up
I thought he looked pretty good in his, what, 6 shifts? He hustled when he was on the ice, I think he had a shot and was not invisible. I just don’t get what he’s supposed to be working on in Bingo. He’s not Pavel Datsyuk, he’s a pure offensive guy plus he’s friggin’ 21 years old. The defensive game matures as the player does (Spezza?). It’s a waste of a draft pick and a waste of a chance at world-class talent. I could care less if he’s minus 15 after 5 games. If he scores and creates offence I’d be happy…the rest of his game can be worked on.
You can’t teach Daugavins to score.
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by MadCash on Nov 17, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Now he's supposed to be working on confidence
They said so when they sent him down, I totally get it from what I saw on his last stint here, and I saw it in his game for Bingo last weekend. The kid’s confidence is in the tank and I don’t see how that’s likely to improve just by virtue of calling him up when he’s struggling.
Not to mention, you want him to score and create offence but he had a ridiculously low shot count last time he was here unless I’m mistaken. For a “pure offensive guy”, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect him to average more than one shot per game, and he didn’t even get that last time.
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I'm sure BM told him when they met that he needs to show he can play in the AHL
If he has a good two weeks, they’ll give him another crack at it in Ottawa. Otherwise, I’d think they’d have cut him loose and told him to walk.
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Everyone thinks they have enough.
I don't know if I like that
It seems like it’s getting confrontational for no reason. I’d much rather BMur tell him that they want to keep him here and do think he has the skill to be an NHL top 6 player, and give him (again, if need be) specific feedback about what to work on.
His confidence seems kind of shot, and telling him he’s got two weeks to fix it or we give up on him doesn’t seem likely to help, even if he’s the one who brought up wanting to leave.
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Yeah that is actually a decent plan
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Move Filatov now
I figured that Filly would show his true colours when he received his first setback… and sure enough, now he’s giving what comes down as pretty much a veiled ultimatum… “Play me where I want to play, or I’m taking my toys and going home”.
The rest is just window dressing from here, and we should be looking into moving him to some team who could care less if he plays 200 feet or not and just wants his scoring.
I never got why this time around it would turn out any different than in Columbus. I just read this great book, “Wherever You Go, There You Are”.
Do you seriously think another team wants him?
If so, you’re nuts. No one wanted to take that chance. That’s why he only cost us a third-round pick.
Anyway, your statements about Filatov are too much, anyway. Wait and see what actually happens, instead of closing the book on him based on rumours and hearsay.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 17, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Well Red Army Moscow does!
But yeah we’re not trading him. If he ends up going to Russia, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him out of the NHL for at least a couple of seasons too.
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B-Sens 8 game losing streak
The B-Sens were expected to be a weaker squad this year but with the loss of both Corey Locke and Kaspars Daugavins they are seriously short on talented veterans right now. The team has destabilized and they’re on an eight game losing streak with no end in sight. It’s not surprising there are grumblings from the ranks, especially among those that are meant to be polishing their game there. It’s pretty much impossible to look ready for a call up when the team never wins and is sucking in general.
A young guy seemingly trapped in this situation is entitled to be a little frustrated but if he can tough it out it will only make him stronger. He may even find some leadership qualities he never knew he had.
by anothersensfan on Nov 17, 2011 12:15 PM EST reply actions
But there's a difference between not looking ready for a call up and looking totally invisible
Admittedly the only Bingo game I’ve seen this season was last Sunday, but I saw nice plays from a few guys. Filatov was not one of them and I thought he was completely invisible. Maybe it’s one bad game for him, but still that was my take.
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This could be the most comments in a non-open thread here
Let’s talk about the merits of trading Spezza and then all the controversial topics can be here!
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I say we trade Spezza for Landeskog
Then trade Alfie to get back Spezza. But then trade Spezza for Turris and some picks and prospects.
Then, in a master stroke, we trade Konopka, Regin, and Foligno in a three-way trade to get Brassard and Spezza.
Finally, right at the deadline, we deal Spezza and Landeskog for Emery.
by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 17, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
I feel we also need some goaltending too. And truculence with character. Team guys that like to win, as opposed to those that like to lose.
Oh and the arena is too far from downtown!
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Man, the arena could actually get me going...
by RogerTheShrubber on Nov 17, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
With Michalek's goal-scoring pace, there is currently no reason to trade Spezza.
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