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Milan Michalek and the Senators have been scoring on an unusually large percentage of their power play shots. (Photo by Phillip MacCallum/Getty Images)

As you are likely aware, the Ottawa Senators have had a very good power play and a very bad penalty kill. The power play has been ranked #1 in the league for stretches and is currently #4. The penalty kill had been dead last for large periods, but is currently #26. The question is, will the power play stay near the top all season and will the penalty kill be near the bottom all season?

Let's look at the power play first. The Senators have 13 power play goals in 53 opportunities for a 24.5% conversion. The 13 power play goals are the fourth most in the league but the 53 power plays are only the 17th most. Digging deeper, the Senators score 9.4 goals per 60 minutes of 5-on-4 ice time, which is also the third highest. The 76.4 minutes of 5-on-4 ice time is 22nd most in the league. Looking at the number of shots the Senators get on their power play (considering only 5-on-4 power plays), it's only 47.1 shots per 60 minutes of power play time, that's only about 1.57 shots per two minutes of power play. However, the Senators are scoring on 20% of their power play shots, which is the second highest in the league. Is that sustainable? The short answer is no. The Vancouver Canucks led the NHL last year with a 16.6% shooting percentage in 5-on-4 situations. Since the 2007-2008 season, the highest 5-on-4 shooting percentage has been 18.1% and keep in mind that is the highest shooting percentage in the last four seasons.

On the penalty kill side, the Senators allow 9.7 goals per 60 minutes of 4-on-5 which is very close to their 5-on-4 scoring rate of 9.4. However, the Senators have been in 4-on-5 situations for 105.6 minutes, the second most in the NHL. That is a difference of almost 30 minutes between penalty kill and power play, or almost two minutes per game. In terms of shots allowed, the Senators are slightly worse than average, allowing 53.4 shots per 60 minutes, tied for 12th most. The Senators goaltending has stopped only 81.9% of shorthanded shots which is 26th in the league. The lowest 4-on-5 save percentage last season was 83.5% by the Toronto Maple Leafs. Since 2007-2008. the lowest save percentage was 82.4% by the 2008-2009 Maple Leafs (I am sensing a pattern here).

The power play is currently shooting more efficiently than anyone has in recent history, and the goaltending is saving less shots than recent history would suggest. However, the Senators are taking a lot more penalties than they are getting power plays, and they rank in the bottom third in power play shots but are middle of the pack in allowing shorthanded shots. For this reason, the power play is more likely to regress than the penalty kill will improve.

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General Sens News
  • Daniel Alfredsson skated on the second line today with Nick Foligno and Stéphane Da Costa so I would guess #11 plays on 11-11-11. Bobby Butler was sent to the fourth line and Chris Neil didn't practise. (Sylvain St-Laurent)
  • Matt Carkner was in practise on the fourth pairing with Brian Lee. (Sylvain St-Laurent)
  • Don Brennan thinks the Senators should bring back Wade Redden if he walks away from the last two years of his contract with the Rangers. Apparently, if he doesn't report to the AHL next season, the Rangers can declare the contract void. Would you want to see Redden back in Ottawa at a league minimum salary? Also, the Senators might be without Chris Neil at some point in the next few games as his wife is expecting their third child. (Ottawa Sun)
  • Here is an entire article about Jason Spezza and face-offs. Spezza definitely seems to look at the stats closely, pointing out that in Detroit they give any benefit of the doubt to the Detroit players in terms of a face-off win. Spezza has a 63.4% win rate at home and a respectable 49.0% on the road. Overall he is 57.6% and leads the NHL with 361 draws taken. (Ottawa Citizen)
  • The Binghamton Senators lost 3-0 in Hershey last night and were outshot 35-15. (Press & Sun-Bulletin)
  • Do you want a commemorative 20th anniversary Senators magazine? (EMC Kanata)
  • This article summarises my feelings about Zenon Konopka and Sean Avery's fight last night. Less than three minutes into a game that had nothing happen yet, the two decide to fight to "settle" scores or whatever the point of it was. It was such a ridiculous delay to the game. (Globe and Mail)
  • After Bryan Murray suggested he might be looking to acquire an "NHL forward", Nichols wouldn't be totally against it as long as it isn't a Matt Cullen kind of deal. (The 6th Sens)
  • Mark Borowiecki has been playing well and Ottawa fans will get a chance to see him when Binghamton plays in Ottawa on Sunday. (Ottawa Senators)
  • UPDATE: Chris Neil will not play in Buffalo or Toronto this weekend due to an ankle injury. (Ian Mendes)
General Hockey News
  • Is homophobia slowly decreasing in hockey due to the high profile efforts of Brian Burke and Sean Avery? (Hockey in Society)
  • If you have some time tonight and like junior hockey, the OHL All-Stars will play the Russian National U20 team tonight in Ottawa at the Civic Centre. The OHL has never lost to Russia, winning all 16 games. The Russian team will include Nail Yakupov among other names. I would assume Matt Puempel will also play. (Sportsnet)
  • Last night, the Tampa Bay Lightning refused to send a single forechecker into the Philadelphia Flyers zone. The Flyers responded by mocking Tampa Bay and literally standing around and doing nothing and I applaud the Flyers for this. I hated Tampa Bay for this in the playoffs last year and am glad to see someone take a stand. Tampa Bay won in the end, so I guess being painfully boring works. The question is, if this becomes frequent, does the league need to do something about it? (Yahoo!)

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Don Brennan thinks the Senators should bring back Wade Redden if he walks away from the last two years of his contract with the Rangers.

You have got to be shitting me. No.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

Brennan’s suggesting doing so for under $1M per season, I’m assuming.

I haven’t watched Redden in a while, but I imagine he’s still talented enough to be an NHL defender if he’s making a lower salary.

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by DarrenM on Nov 10, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Because he has a $6.5M cap hit.

If Zack Smith had a $6.5M cap hit, he’d be buried in the minors, too.

They dropped Redden to the minors so they could use his salary to make their team better, not because he is not an NHL defenseman.

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by DarrenM on Nov 10, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you sure it has nothing whatsoever to do with his temper?

Because I’d demote someone for throwing a hissy fit within earshot of the media, and Redden did that a season or two ago. Maybe he’s still down there because of the cap, but I’d be surprised if temper never factored into the decision of where he belongs.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure it has nothing whatsoever to do with his temper

We’re talking about a team which employs John Tortorella.

Redden is in the AHL because his value is greatly overshadowed by the cap hit he’d result in were he in the NHL.

by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 10, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

But does Tortorella value losing face?

Because that kind of happens when the media hears a player screaming at a coach. Although I forget if it was the coach or the GM when it happened.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Ovi swore at Boudreau a week ago

He’s still around!

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by Adnan on Nov 10, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

On the bench?

Also, Redden is no Ovechkin.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah on the bench when Boudreau didn’t put him on the ice in the last minute when they were down by a goal.

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by Adnan on Nov 10, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's one thing - heat of the moment and whatnot.

Whereas Redden had a yelling match in the coach’s office after being told he was scratched. I posted a link below. To me, that’s a much bigger issue than a playing dropping an F-bomb on the bench.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't fault a guy for being pissed at being scratched

I’d yell at Torts if I were in that situation too… however the article you posted below said that Torts was yelling and Reds responses could not be heard.

When your team is struggling, the last thing you want is to be sat down and watch. You want to be out their with your team helping them to turn things around. When you’re sat, you feel as though you’re being made an example of, as if it’s your fault. No doubt both could have handled it better by both of them. Ultimately it would seem that Torts didn’t want him on his team, hence why he’s in Hartford.

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by havey03 on Nov 10, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I said below, I remember reading that Redden was heard yelling but I can't find anything else since it was 2+ years ago.

But that’s a big red flag to me. I get that he’s pissed, but yelling at the coach where you can be heard is not okay.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Without further details, I can’t say I’m going to hold anything against Redden. Maybe Tortorella was out of line, not Redden.

Also, I’m sure there are many other instances of players yelling at coaches — they just maybe don’t get reported.

I’ve heard nothing but good things about Redden’s time in the AHL. Sounds like he’s done a good job of mentoring the kids on the Whale.

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by DarrenM on Nov 10, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, it's Ovi and when it's Ovi,

you spin it as Ovi being a competitive guy.

by whatsinaname on Nov 10, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

No. Just no.

Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice….

Hey, while we’re at it I hear Hasek’s thinking of coming out of retirement. Let’s revisit all of our past mistakes.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Hasek would be awesome just for Mark's reaction!

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by Adnan on Nov 10, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Who needs Project Mayhem this ASG?

We can do that alll by ourselves with Redden, Yashin & Hasek!

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by Nightbreak on Nov 10, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be able to recap games he started without bias

“Hasek was merely okay tonight, as he got lucky enough to get in the way of the puck 40 times on 41 shots…”

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 10, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

This would be awesome!

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by Adnan on Nov 10, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem with Redden is that he's now a Chris Campoli type player...

Redden makes $6.5m & he’s only worth $1.75m

Regardless, we have enough offensive D-men and Redden would just be another Brian Lee on this team – Other players are just better right now

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by havey03 on Nov 10, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be surprised if Redden was even as good as Campoli

His numbers in the AHL are decent (70GP, 8G, 34A, 42P last season), but in his last NHL season, he had 14 points in 75 games. The league hasn’t gotten any slower since then, but I’d wager Wade Redden probably has.

There’s only one reason I can see for bringing Redden back, and that’s the nice story it would be to get him back to the team he started with. I seriously doubt he’d contribute meaningfully to this team, and with Gonchar and Phillips under contract for next season, I don’t see the need for another veteran—even if he’s for $1M or less.

by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 10, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Don Brennan is about Dumb err Don Brennan.

Redden is terrible.
The Rangers are a competitive hockey team and he can’t even crack their top four, let alone bottom pairing.
Playing him might well cost the Rangers points in the standings.

Don just wants him in Ottawa because he can either crucity him when he make a soft play or pat himself on the back if he plays well and also pat Murray on the back for doing something great.

Just say “No” to linking anything Don Brennan writes and say “No” to Wade Redden anywhere near this team for anything more than a plate of chicken wings.

by Quizzical Quorum on Nov 10, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Him playing in the AHL has nothing to do with his ability to be an NHL d-man. He’s there because Sather signed him to a stupid contract and he wasn’t playing up to that contract. Since the Rangers have money they can afford to have him play for $6.5 mil in the AHL. He’s an NHL defenseman, just not one worth $6.5 mil a year. If the Sens could sign him for a mil to play in the bottom pairing I say do it.

by modsuperstar on Nov 10, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d have no problem with it, but it would have to make sense for the Sens. If he were willing to be a 5/6/7 d-man in the rotation, I wouldn’t have an issue with it at all.

by modsuperstar on Nov 10, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Who would he bump out of the line-up? I don’t see him being an upgrade over any of the Senators 6 regular defenders and Lee may be arguably better at this point, too.

by DW19 on Nov 10, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Durr. Brian Lee.

It’s always Brian Lee.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

There isn’t a natural spot for him right now. But who knows what happens between now and the off-season. Is Carkner gone? Lee? Kuba is pretty much assured of being gone.

I’m not saying it makes the most sense, but if there were an opportunity, I’d be willing to have Wade back.

by modsuperstar on Nov 10, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

All of this would have to be after the start of the season. As Redden would need to refuse to show up to the AHL before his contract can be voided.

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by Adnan on Nov 10, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

There is definitely many obstacles in the way to making it actually happen, but my perspective is that if it could happen, I wouldn’t be averse to it.

by modsuperstar on Nov 10, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t have to make GM decisions, I’m a fan and fully reserve the right to be sentimental about players. I didn’t say move heaven and earth to get Redden back in the fold. Just that if it made sense for the Sens I wouldn’t have an issue with it. Wade was definitely one of my favourite players when he was with the Sens and I see no problem mending fences with him.

by modsuperstar on Nov 10, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

This seems like an unnecessarily harsh comment

I am very happy that no member here is the Senators’ GM, to be honest—myself, you, modsuperstar, or anyone else.

You haven’t even really explained your aversion to re-signing Redden very well. You’ve cast aspersions about his final time in Ottawa, without offering any details of the reason, and mentioned your disgust with a professional hockey player getting angry about being benched. Every player should be angry when they’re benched, and I can understand why Redden was upset about his first benching in a 13-year NHL career.

Based on the article you’ve linked to, all we know is that Redden went in to Tortorella’s office to discuss the benching, got torn to shreds by Tortorella, and was pissed about it.

by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 10, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I never used the word disgust, I said it raised red flags and that it was an issue for me.

Also: Redden’s numbers have been declining since the lockout, he’s old in hockey years, and our blueline is full. Plus my concerns about his attitude because even if it’s reasonable to be angry at being benched I expect some more composure from a veteran player like Redden, and with a team this inexperienced on average I think it’s unwise to risk bringing in a bad attitude to influence the kids especially if all we’re getting is mediocre numbers and a 5th/6th defenceman. Even if the risk is speculative, I don’t see any upside to justify it. I realize I don’t have a great source for the yelling thing, but I distinctly remember reading about Redden yelling at Tortorella and having conversations at the time about how ridiculous it was for a player to throw a public tantrum like that.

It seems to me like the biggest reason to sign Redden back here is out of a sense of loyalty because he used to be one of our big names, and I thought we finally gave up on making our decisions that way (Fisher, anyone?). We already have veteran leadership on our blueline and if we’re bringing someone in through a signing, I expect that person to be younger than his mid-thirties so that he can realistically play for more than a few years here.

Does that explain my aversion to Redden better?

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus

It also seems like it risks fan goodwill because people are just getting on board with the rebuild. Signing a has been from our glory days doesn’t exactly fit with that plan and you could leave a lot of fans pissed off about how it looks like we’re just trying to rebuild our old team.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Redden will be 35 y.o come October 2012.

And we have not seen how he will perform at the NHL level for the past two seasons.

by whatsinaname on Nov 10, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

The reason to bring back Redden

It definitely won’t give us a competitive advantage, but its the type of think a classy, rebuilding organization should do. I’m sure there are better people who could be playing on our third pairing next year, but valuing players is a main reason that players stay with an organization. True many of the players currently on the Sens never played with Redden, but they know he was a huge part of a Stanley Cup run here and the fact that the organization would bring him back and give him another chance buys them more goodwill than almost anything else they could do.

by ojc on Nov 10, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I completely disagree

A rebuilding organization should focus on young talent rather than a player way past his prime who has maybe a couple of years left in him. And a classy rebuilding organization should focus on treating its young talent properly and its few remaining veterans rather than bringing back aging players who’ll potentially take ice time away from more deserving guys and maybe even drag down our performance. There’s a lot of other (better) ways they can earn goodwill, both from the team and the fans.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 11, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

The only problem with the Matt Cullen deal is that we didn't re-sign him

Cullen was a beast in the playoffs for the Sens, arguably the team’s best player. He’s a great player and would look good on our second line right about now.

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by DarrenM on Nov 10, 2011 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

He wanted too much money

We couldn’t afford both him and a puck moving D-man.
So we got Gonchar instead…

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by havey03 on Nov 10, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Not so

We could have had Zbynek Michalek for 4.X and Cullen might have signed for 2.5-3.0 in which case we have an excellent young “D” with some offensive upside AND Cullen.

by Quizzical Quorum on Nov 10, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I really don't think we were in a position to get ZMichalek

Not after it became clear that Gonchar was leaving Pittsburgh.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Word on the street...

Is that Gonchar’s agent told Murray that either he signed Gonchar now or he was walking. Michalek allegedly would have liked to sign here to play with his sibling, was looking for 4.0 to 4.5 but Murray allegedly caged.

What’s done is done but I’m just going to keep flogging a dead horse.
So na. :p

by Quizzical Quorum on Nov 10, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Gonchar was signed about 4 minutes after free agency opened, wasn’t he? Murray had to pull the trigger ASAP, and did.

Would’ve rather had Z. Mich, but what can you do?

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by DarrenM on Nov 10, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Complain

That’s about it.

Gonchar is ok for us. I sure don’t like the cap hit or the NTC but you have to admit he is playing better. Murray has done a good job with prospects but I despise him with the hate of a thousand burning suns when it comes to contract signings. He just overpays way too much. The new CBA cannot come soon enough if it limits the amount of NTC a team can have.

by Quizzical Quorum on Nov 10, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see why the NHLPA would support that kind of limit

Seems like an unlikely condition for a CBA.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 10, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

But my point is that I don’t know if we were willing to offer the money and term that ZMichalek wanted. Considering his age, I doubt he’d have been willing to take a 3 year deal just so he could play with his brother if someone else was offering 5. My point is that I think Pittsburgh was motivated to outbid us regardless of ZMichalek wanting a family reunion.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I like family reunion

great food, lots of hugs, catching up, later degenerating into old family feuds, food fights……

by whatsinaname on Nov 10, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

We were

I remember an interview with Z. Michalek saying he was expecting a phone call from Ottawa that never came.

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by DarrenM on Nov 10, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Well if you spend your money within the first 4 minutes of free agency then it’s kinda to be expected there would be no call.

by modsuperstar on Nov 10, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

He wasn't the type of defender that Murray targeted

He wanted a PP producer, not a shutdown guy. I’m not sure why, though… at the time, with Volchenkov as good as gone, and Kuba and Karlsson both in tow, I question the rationale.

Maybe he overestimated Chris Phillips’ abilities as a shut-down guy.

by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 10, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

ZM not a puck-mover but...

ZM could have been a good body on the backend AND potted a few points too.
And would not have needed a NTC…

by Quizzical Quorum on Nov 10, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Michalek is not a puck moving d-man

Michalek was more of an A-Train replacement w/ a better offensive upside than Anton. He was a plan ‘b’ for BM if he couldn’t land Gonchar.

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by havey03 on Nov 10, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

It wasn't about money

He wanted to play in Minnesota. He has roots there.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 10, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that happened after the Sens didn't offer him a contract

I recall reading that he really enjoyed Ottawa and wanted to stay.

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by DarrenM on Nov 10, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that was probably what Nichols meant, that we shouldn’t trade for a rental to go for a playoff push. Also Cullen was 33 then and wouldn’t improve the club long term.

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by Adnan on Nov 10, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I get that.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not the lone member of the “Matt Cullen Fan Club” here in Ottawa.
He’s a useful player but we can fill that need internally.

I’m also padding my post count because I love this blog, oh so much.
It’s probably my fave Sens blog. Milks is too fannish and dreamy, 6th Sens is ok, Chirp is bleuargh…this is it…Bohemiam Rhapsody solo!!!

by Quizzical Quorum on Nov 10, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha, glad you enjoy it, we are pretty awesome though. ;)

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by Adnan on Nov 10, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, Adnan, you are a machine

Great Nuggets post, as always. I’m amazed that you’re keeping up with doing these posts every day.

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by DarrenM on Nov 10, 2011 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks Darren!

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by Adnan on Nov 10, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

It's pretty awesome

It’s basically a full blog post, every day, plus a link collection. Nutso.

by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 10, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

UPDATE: Neil out for both games this weekend

From Mendes:

Chris Neil has an ankle injury and won’t play either game this weekend.

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by Adnan on Nov 10, 2011 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

Booooo.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

He will be missed, yeah I said it!

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by Adnan on Nov 10, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Bad Baby timing.

Neil needs to get frisky around December + 9 months would give an August to September birthdate if I do my math correctly.
Think of the team Caitlin…Stanley Cup parades in July and all.

by Quizzical Quorum on Nov 10, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

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by Adnan on Nov 10, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Um.
Chris Neil has an ankle injury and won’t play either game this weekend.

I think I missed the part where there was any reason whatsoever to think Neil is lying about being injured.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he is referring to the link I posted above where I said Neil will miss games later this month due to his wife giving birth.

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by Adnan on Nov 10, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Then it probably shouldn't have been in reply to a post stating that Neil is injured.

Also, I’m skeptical. I can’t think of an instance where a pro hockey player voluntarily skipped games because his wife could go into labour.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

It's just a general discussion on Neil

Don’t worry, no one is attacking Neil. ;)

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by Adnan on Nov 10, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Neil is solid.

I like Neil. Anyone that doesn’t doesn’t like kittens.

by Quizzical Quorum on Nov 10, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t really like any pets.

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by Adnan on Nov 10, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Feral kittens, though.

Neil is too tough to be a regular, domesticate kitten.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Neil

But I certainly don’t like kittens

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by havey03 on Nov 10, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Kittens are fine at someone else’s house, but personally I wouldn’t want to have one.

I fee the opposite about Neil. I like him on the Sens, but if he played for another team I would probably hate him.

by DW19 on Nov 10, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

Thought you were going to say that you’d like to have a Neil at your house for a min… lol

Would HATE to play against him. Imagine if BM didn’t resign him and he did go and play for TO? AGHK!

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by havey03 on Nov 10, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't really imagine that happening

At least not with anyone who’s been here so long and is such a fan favourite.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I know no one's attacking him

Just pointing out that the reply had nothing to do with the comment to which it replied and that I’m extremely skeptical it’ll happen unless she goes into labour in the hours before one of our games.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard he is expecting a kid soon too.

I may have totally missed that, but I read the Neils are also expecting a new child close to the current road trip.
“Also, the Senators might be without Chris Neil at some point in the next few games as his wife is expecting their third child. "

by Quizzical Quorum on Nov 10, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Redden...

…I’d bring him back as an assistant coach who would help out with the penalty kill and developing the team’s stable of your defenders.

by DW19 on Nov 10, 2011 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

Blegh

Still no.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

No.

NONONONONONONONONONONONONONO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why don’t we bring back Yashin so he can develop the kids into doing charitable donations to the NAC then defaulting on them?

Move on people!!!

by Quizzical Quorum on Nov 10, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Redden, in his prime, was one of the smartest defenders the Senators have ever had. If he wanted to get into coaching he would have a lot to teach to young defensemen coming up.

It would probably be better for him to get into it at lower level like junior of the AHL, but I can’t see any reason why he wouldn’t be a good coach down the road.

by DW19 on Nov 10, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah well Redden left a bad taste in my mouth

Between his last little while in Ottawa and some of his antics shortly after re-signing in NYC (read: screaming at management where the media can hear), I am completely over Wade Redden. I don’t hate him like I hate Yashin, but I really want nothing to do with him.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally, I am not in any hurry to bring Redden back to Ottawa. My original comment was more meant to say that I don’t think he has anything to offer the Senators as a player at this point.

by DW19 on Nov 10, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't Redden do a ton of drugs?

Drugs are bad. ok?
Actually, I guess the rumour was that he smoked a lot of dope, which isn’t the worst thing in the world. But he was around for the Sens drug era.

by BD Rebuilders on Nov 10, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Redden SUPPOSEDLY did a ton of drugs

Everyone “knows someone” who saw him do drugs. No one actually saw him do drugs.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 10, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard coke

But that’s all gossip.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Bloggy on Nov 11, 2011 6:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Everyone's heard that, it doesn't make it legitimate

I heard the moon landing was faked, too. I don’t believe that, though.

by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 11, 2011 7:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I was saying +1

to both parts of AlfieGirl’s post. I had heard coke…and it’s all gossip.

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by Bloggy on Nov 11, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

That's why I said it's all gossip.

My point was that I didn’t hear anything about him smoking dope and unless he’s smoking meth or crack I really don’t give a crap what he smokes in his free time. I don’t want to get into a whole debate about whether weed should be illegal, but I don’t see it impacting an athlete’s performance the way other illegal drugs do.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 11, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm stunned with how much some people here dislike Redden

I am a fan of his. I’m not saying I’d want to sign him, but I’m saying I wouldn’t be opposed if the deal was right and Murray decided he was a capable and useful player.

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by DarrenM on Nov 10, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Redden

He was my kind of player (when he was good).

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by Adnan on Nov 10, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't actually dislike him

I just don’t want him involved in this organization anymore and I’m stunned to hear it brought up to be honest.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

Appreciate the link to our homophobia post. Thanks for the support, Adnan!

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by nucksandpucks on Nov 10, 2011 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

You are welcome!

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by Adnan on Nov 10, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Special Teams

If most of their main guys stay healthy, I think the Sens can keep their power play in the top 10 throughout the season.

On the penalty kill, the percentage should improve (it is already up from the mid-seventies to the low eighties) as the young guys (Condra, ZSmith, Daugavins, Cowen) get better. I don’t know if the Senators will be able to break out of the league’s bottom ten unless Anderson and Auld start robbing shooters more often.

by DW19 on Nov 10, 2011 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

True we definitely have the talent to be in the top 10. Gonchar, Spezza, Karlsson, Michalek and 5th guy is pretty solid. But we can in the top 5 and be an “elite” one? We definitely need it to be to stay in the race.

The PK I don’t know about. We have the players to do be successful on it in theory, so hopefully it improves with time (and better goaltending).

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by Adnan on Nov 10, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

For the PP to sustain itself, other players need to keep getting better

and the MO has to change throughout the course of the year. Through the video scouting, if the coaches don’t change strategy continuously, teams learn how to defend. ie, how often do we see a Spezza feed from the bottom of the left circle cross crease to Alfie on the doorstep. That play used to be magic, but now teams got that figured out…

hmmm… maybe they should try that one again, it’s been so long since we’ve seen it, they may have forgotten!

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by havey03 on Nov 10, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

The power play strategy these days seem to be, pass, pass, pass, set-up Karlsson for bomb at the top of left face-off circle. He has a cannon too, surprised he hasn’t had more goals yet.

I would actually like to see more fancy “cute” plays, we haven’t seen the Giggles cross crease passes as often this year.

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by Adnan on Nov 10, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats kind of what I was getting at

It was working really well for a while. Teams took note of it, and its been cool the last 4 games. Time to shake up the strategy.

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by havey03 on Nov 10, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

"5th guy"?!

Uh… ALFIE

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 10, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know, is Alfie always on the first unit? Isn’t it Greening sometimes?

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by Adnan on Nov 10, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

A lot of the Senators powerplay goals have been scored with Greening standing in front of the net.

by DW19 on Nov 10, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a good point

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 10, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Bring back Carvel!

I still don’t understand why he was fired.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Tabula Rasa

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 10, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

But they didn't completely clean house

They kept a couple of the coaching staff. But fired arguably the most successful one from last season.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

It is a rare occurrence indeed that I applaud the Philadelphia Flyers

but this was awesome. They would never do this in their own rink, of course, because they wouldn’t want to piss off their own fans, but to do this in Tampa? Awesome.

And then to have the bench absolutely berating the Lightning players on the ice? LOVES IT.

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by Bloggy on Nov 10, 2011 3:12 PM EST reply actions  

It really was awesome!

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by Adnan on Nov 10, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't understand why the bench would berate the players

Like, what are they supposed to do, NOT play their coach’s system just because their opponent thinks it’s lame?

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 10, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course they're not supposed to disobey their coach's system

But the public shaming is gamesmanship, because the Lightning players looked like idiots.

by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 10, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

See, I thought the Flyers were the ones who looked like idiots

You refuse to try because they’re not going to forecheck? Babies.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 10, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

No the Flyers were awesome

Shaming them in front of their fans for it. The Lightning were the ones who refused to try.

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by Adnan on Nov 10, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

I don’t see why the team that doesn’t possess the puck is obligated to make the first move.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 10, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

My point is they were not even trying to get the puck back.

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by Adnan on Nov 10, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I get that

But the point of defense is not to get the puck back, it’s to prevent a goal from being scored.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 10, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Just because it's not a smart strategy if you want to win

Doesn’t mean it’s any smarter to just stand around and not do anything.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Be that as it may, the burden (if you will) of scoring a goal lies with the team that possesses the puck

If standing around doing nothing keeps the other team from trying, it’s the smartest possible defense.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 10, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I'm not saying it's smart

But it’s their prerogative if they want to do it. There’s a reason that boring, defensive neutral zone hockey is still around – a lot of the time it works. Until the NHL decides to write rules against it, it’s the team’s choice if they want to play that way.

Plus it’s not like Tampa has that many fans to be pissed off about it.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 11, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember doing this while playing NHL '92 on Sega

I’d just skate around in my own end with the puck. The game actually blew the play down for a faceoff after 3 minutes or something… it reminded me of that and made me laugh… ha ha

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by havey03 on Nov 11, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

However
the point of defense is not to get the puck back, it’s to prevent a goal from being scored.

The puck was in the offensive zone.

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by Bloggy on Nov 11, 2011 6:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it was

Tampa Bay was lined up 1-3-1, and Philly had the puck in their own zone, because they didn’t want to try to move through the neutral zone with three players clogging it up.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 11, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I believe the problem was that Philadelphia didn’t want to enter the neutral zone with 5 Tampa players clogging it up.

The puck was in the offensive zone from Tampa’s point-of-view and yet they were deliberately ignoring it for the sake of playing their system.

Every team is entitled to play whatever way they want. Anyone who remembers the Jacques Martin era in Ottawa knows the pluses and minuses of the neutral zone trap.

by DW19 on Nov 11, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

But it's not like Philly just left the puck sitting in the middle of the ice daring TB to come take it, right?

They still had possession of the puck. So my feeling is that the Lightning weren’t ignoring it—they were simply playing defense. If they refused to take a faceoff or pursue a loose puck, that would be a different situation in my eyes.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 11, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I mean from Tampa's standpoint

the puck was in the offensive zone. So they aren’t “trying to prevent a goal from being scored”, the puck is in the area from which they are trying to score.

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by Bloggy on Nov 11, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, I get that

But they don’t actually have possession, which makes it impossible for them to try to score a goal. That’s how I see it.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 11, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless they try to get possession

Generally that’s step one in trying to score.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 11, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

No

Although one of our past PK coaches said a few years back that the best way to kill a penalty is to get the puck and go on the offensive.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 11, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't argue with that

I mean, you’d prefer your team to take action instead of standing skill, right? I just think the onus is on the team that actually possesses the puck; I’m definitely not trying to defend the Lightning.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 11, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

This.

The puck is in the area you want it to be in. Problem is you don’t have it. Go get it.

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by Bloggy on Nov 11, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

People are on both sides

The Flyers made a statement, though: If you’re not going to take chances, we’re not going to let you force us to take them. You guys can feel with your fans getting bored of it.

by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 10, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

And I think that's a fair approach from the Flyers

If they want to pass the puck around for 60 minutes and then go to a shootout, go for it. Considering they’re one of the higher scoring teams in the NHL, I think that plan is a mistake.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 10, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I approve of your disapproval of the Flyers

Seriously suck it up and play the game.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 10, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 10, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

-1

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by Bloggy on Nov 11, 2011 6:56 AM EST up reply actions  

All-Star voting starts Monday!
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NHL announced that #Sens Alfredsson, Spezza, Karlsson, Michalek and Gonchar all on All-Star Fan Ballot. Voting starts Monday. #VoteSens

Karlsson, Spezza and Michalek deserve to be all-stars so far, and Alfie should be a sentimental pick for his career. I’ll probably vote for Gonchar too.

But everyone should vote for the other 4! No vote splitting kids. ;)

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by Adnan on Nov 10, 2011 4:07 PM EST reply actions  

They figured he didn't give a crap about the all-star game

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by Adnan on Nov 10, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

They figured right

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 10, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Everything the Flyers do is ridiculous.

Is there a team in the NHL that cries as much as they do when things don’t go their way?! I mean seriously, last time I checked the goal is to win! Why are the Lightning required to play the game the way the Flyers want when they’re clearly the better team? If you don’t like Boucher’s system, come up with something that beats it. I guess if they’d rather stand around then play with a risk of losing the game, that makes them the joke, not Tampa.

I’m seriously shocked that anyone is saying that TB ruined the game. That one’s on the Flyers.

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And now that that's out of the way...

I thought it was entertaining gamesmanship between two really good coaches. We don’t see that very often.

by Pmoron on Nov 10, 2011 10:00 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Why are the Flyers required to play into Tampa's system?

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by Bloggy on Nov 11, 2011 6:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think that they're "required"

They can choose to take the game to OT by not leaving the zone if they desire. I think that’s a reasonable, if cowardly, response.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 11, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I think both teams are entitled to play whatever system

but as in boxing, the ref can penalize a boxer deemed not aggressive enough. In this case, because the Flyers had the puck, it should be that the onus was on them to move it out of their zone. Lightning being on the defensive had the right to set up defensively to receive the attack by the Flyers. Hence, the Flyers, by sitting on the puck, should be penalized for not being aggressive enough and/or delay of game. This is obviously not in the rule book, but ought to be after the Flyer/Lightning incident.

by whatsinaname on Nov 11, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

See, I wouldn't go this far

The Flyers have the right to choose to attack the Lightning defense as they see fit. If they choose to wait 60 minutes and let OT or a shootout be the deciding factor of a game, that’s okay—and Tampa Bay can’t complain about that since they’re implicitly accepting that as a possible outcome by choosing not to attempt to possess the puck themselves.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 11, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

TB was definitely sitting back & not "aggressively" persuing

the puck which made both teams guilty of delay of game. I totally get that. However, if you have to decide who was more guilty, it would be the team with the puck.

by whatsinaname on Nov 11, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

No argument there

I just don’t feel that should be a penalty.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 11, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

To penalize is going down a slippery slope

but it is an option. Again I point to the boxing rule re passivity in the ring. It’s a rule best used very, very infrequently. The Flyers/TB game would be a perfect example of such an application. Hopefully, what happened won’t reoccur again soon for any action to be deemed necessary because, ultimately, too many rules will just spoil the game.

by whatsinaname on Nov 11, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I would much rather penalise the other way. Like limit the number of players that can be between the blue lines for more than 5 seconds.

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by Adnan on Nov 11, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be more in line with other rule changes

But that would be a pain in the ass to enforce. Can you imagine refs counting “One Mississippi…”?

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 11, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t watch much basketball, but don’t they have a similar rule about number of people in key for a certain time?

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by Adnan on Nov 11, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Preference is for no rule changes

Hopefully the incident was a complete abnormally not to be repeated again.

by whatsinaname on Nov 11, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

It’s not like the 1-3-1 is some kind of impregnable fortress.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 11, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't watch much basketball, either, but I'm not aware of any rule like that

They do have a shot clock, which forces you to take a shot within (I think) 24 seconds, otherwise you lose possession.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 11, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

This is what I was referring to
The three seconds rule (also referred to as the three-second rule or three in the key, with a breach often termed a lane violation) requires that in basketball, a player shall not remain in the opponents’ restricted area for more than three consecutive seconds while his team is in control of a live ball in the frontcourt and the game clock is running

Definitely will be pretty hard to enforce though I agree.

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by Adnan on Nov 11, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha, I've never heard of that!

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 11, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's how I see it

The rules of the league are geared towards generating offense, so the team possessing the puck is the one that’s obligated to act.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 11, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

There is the issue.

Do you want people to be able to play the game how they want, or do you want to make the game exciting. If you want the latter, then that’s a whole other question and debate.

by The Tif on Nov 11, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Indeed

And teams will always, ALWAYS try to find some little wrinkle that gives them the edge.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 11, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree under the current rules Tampa Bay can do what they want. I just felt it made them look like idiots and I liked Philadelphia mocking them for it.

Different views of seeing it I suppose.

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by Adnan on Nov 11, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

"The rules of the league are geared towards generating offense"

but Tampa is making no attempt whatsoever to take possession of a puck in the offensive zone.

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by Bloggy on Nov 11, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, becuse the Flyers are already in possession of the puck

I’d be agreeing with you if Pronger just left the puck out on the ice on a faceoff dot and dared Purcell to skate towards it, but the Flyers maintained possession, which means they are the ones with the obligation to try to score.

When the other team has possession, you don’t have to attempt to take possession of the puck, you have to try to prevent your opponent from scoring.

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by Mark Parisi on Nov 11, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

They're not, but they kind of played into it by making it such a big deal.

They could have played their regular hockey game. Instead I think they came off looking like brats.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 11, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously.

If you want to bitch about clogging up the neutral zone, shouldn’t we all be blaming Jersey? Didn’t the Devils champion that strategy?

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 11, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Fighting in the game...

I strongly disagree with the author in the following comment ….

“This article summarises my feelings about Zenon Konopka and Sean Avery’s fight last night. Less than three minutes into a game that had nothing happen yet, the two decide to fight to “settle” scores or whatever the point of it was. It was such a ridiculous delay to the game. (Globe and Mail)"

Unless the author was on the ice I highly doubt he knows what the circumstances were behind the, every player that is employed in the highest level league in the world is employed to have a job function for said organization. Everything happens for a reason and unless you are privy to the specifics it is just conjecture on your part.

by gwplant on Nov 11, 2011 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

FYI the author's name is at the top of the post.

And as much as I agree with the sentiment of the comment, I also disagree completely with you saying everything happens for a reason. Plus given all of Konopka’s comments, it’s not just conjecture, it’s a logical inference.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 11, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

In defence of Alfie..

I disagree with your post and as, I am assuming, that you are an big Alfie fan and that he publicly came to his defense I would have hoped that you would have been more open minded about Konopka’s role unlike the NHL which forced his hand with the lack of discipline in the matter…

by gwplant on Nov 11, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait, did Konopka's actions defend Alfredsson in any way?

Last I checked, Alfredsson still missed four games with a concussion.

The Konopka-Avery fight accomplished nothing. I don’t feel justice was served; do you?

by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 11, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

To be clear (since I realized after I replied that I hadn't been clear on what I meant)

I generally disagree with Adnan’s sentiment in his comments about the link, but that more comes from knowing that he and I disagree on the role of fighting in hockey and consequentially also on the role of fighters in a lineup. That said, this was not one of those fights where we don’t know the circumstances going in unlike, say, the Cowen fight (seriously WTF was that?). Given that one player involved made a lot of public statements about retribution for the Alfredsson hit (and also given Avery’s reputation for running his mouth and getting people to fight him), I think it’s pretty easy to figure out what happened.

Given the way the team was playing in the first few minutes, I don’t even mind the fact that he fought since I’ve seen fights energize the team and get everyone playing better. For that very reason (plus the occasional guttural satisfaction of watching a Senator dominate a Leaf player in a fight) I believe that fighting still has a role in the game which means I’m in favour of fighters too – anyone who reads the GDTs and other comments regularly knows by now that I’m a huge fan of Neiler’s.

All of that said, my issue with your comment was mainly your implication through the language you used that this fight was part of some larger plan that we can’t see and specifically with you implying by saying that “everything happens for a reason” that it was almost out of the players’ hands. I don’t particularly like having Konopka on this team, but that’s not because he’s a fighter (it’s because his numbers aren’t great and I felt that we already had better players that fill the same role).

No my problem with it was that I’d rather a resounding victory in the game than in one fight. Retribution accomplishes nothing useful. While I agree that the NHL shit the bed on that decision, I don’t see how the Konopka fight accomplished anything to fix it. All it did was take two guys off the ice for 5 min, neither of whom was particularly important to his roster. Personally, I think it could have turned out a lot worse since I wouldn’t have been surprised to see the refs throw Konopka out to discourage retribution. Thankfully they didn’t, but that fight won’t stop Wolski or anyone else from doing it again.

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by AlfieGirl on Nov 11, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Premeditated violence on an opponent using fists

is not sports and cheapens hockey as a beautiful and graceful game.

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A look at senators depth: Center Addition
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Our style won't win us any playoff series
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Playoffs prediction competition: round three
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Sens sign D Fredrik Claesson to three-year entry-level deal.
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Ban on Brennan
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2012 UFA: Ryan Suter, The Pipe Dream

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