Senators get back to .500 with 4-3 win over Panthers
The Senators finished the night with their first .500 record since beginning the season with no wins and no losses, and got yet another win with a dramatic fashion.
The Senators dominated the Panthers for the majority of the first twenty minutes, outshooting the Cats 15-7. Unfortunately, the Panthers got the only goal of the period on a long bomb from Jason Garrison.
The Senators evened things up 1-1 in the second period when Daniel Alfredsson sniped one top-shelf during a delayed penalty call, but the Panthers regained the lead only a few minutes later off of a very pretty Tomas Fleischmann goal. That didn't end the second period scoring, though, as Stephane Da Costa picked up his second goal of the year on yet another delayed penalty for the Florida Panthers.
The Senators continued to pour it on, outshooting the Panthers 15-6 in the third period. With just under 3 minutes left in the game, the Senators got their first lead on a great shot from Colin Greening. It was short lived, unfortunately, as the Panthers managed to tie the game up with their goalie pulled with just 48 seconds left in the game.
The game looked destined for overtime, but then it happened. Again. Just like the game against the Blue Jackets, the Senators found a way to get a last second goal as Nick Foligno managed to pounce on a rebound that was set up by a Daniel Alfredsson one-timer from a nifty pass by David Rundblad. How much time was left? About 3.5 seconds.
Sens Hero: Daniel Alfredsson
The Captain had a goal and an assist on the night, and the game winner was created in large part because of his excellent work in the attacking zone. He led by example yet again tonight, and was a huge part in the Senators' victory.
Sens Hero: Stephane Da Costa
Da Costa started the season as a pleasant surprise for the Senators, but in recent games had become invisible playing on the fourth line. With Zibanejad sent back to Sweden, Da Costa was given another opportunity with better linemates, and he did not let it go to waste. Da Costa had a goal and was a team high +3 on the night.
Honourable Mentions: Sergei Gonchar, David Rundblad
Gonchar and Rundblad each had an assist on the night, and Gonchar had 4 shots on the night. Gonchar, in particular, just continues to look better, and was particularly effective in using his body tonight.
Sens Zeroes: Jesse Winchester, Zenon Konopka
The fourth line of Jesse Winchester, Zenon Konopka, and Erik Condra just never seemed to mesh all night, and spent most of the game skating around frantically in their own zone. Condra avoids zero status because he showed some good flashes when out there with other linemates (including a nice assist on Da Costa's goal), but Konopka and Winnie both had off nights.
Sens Killer: Jacob Markstrom
The Swedish rookie netminder had a solid night in net for the Panthers, turning aside 34 shots and keeping the Panthers in the game. With his size (6'6"!) and athletic ability, you can tell that he's doing a good job emulating his idol Robin Lehner.
Random Stats:
- Chris Phillips led all players in hits with 5.
- Erik Karlsson led all Senators in time on ice with 24:38. Second was Milan Michalek with 20:03.
- Jared Cowen led in shorthanded time on ice with 4:47 of penalty kill time.
- Cowen is the only Senators player to suit up for more than four games and have no points to show for it. Even Nikita Filatov had an assist in his two games.
- Zack Smith won only 2 of 11 faceoffs, giving him an ugly 18% faceoff percentage.
- The Senators outshot the Panthers 38-25 on the night.
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Wow...
you can tell that he’s doing a good job emulating his idol Robin Lehner.
by Alexander Calloway on Oct 27, 2011 11:04 PM EDT reply actions
Anderson needs to be better...
…if the Sens want this dalliance with .500 to last.
The offensive production is going to end. And when it does, Ottawa will need competent goaltending.
Yeah Andy had some weak moments last night
But the rest of the team made up for it!
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I love this team so much
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by Adnan on Oct 27, 2011 11:16 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
i can buy that
the hockey has been entertaining as hell to watch. Heart-Attack Kids could well become an appropriate nick-name.
that was one sweet
pass from Rumball at the end. Jalapeño does that man have hands/vision/hands.
And all you ZappaCosta doubters…all he needed was to be released from the plug-line.
brilliant entertainment…even on a crap-ass stream (thanks though Chili!)
Are you asking me or are you telling me?
You're an expert?
So you're an expert?
So you saw it...you're saying you saw it on the...you're an expert?
You're not an expert.
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This looks like a victim of iPad autocorrect
Though somehow I don’t think it is.
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Aw, come on now
One good game doesn’t mean Da Costa has solved all his problems, just like it doesn’t mean Filatov will score a hat trick every game.
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shush you doubter you!
he’s on a roll! Da Costa is now obviously the solution to our no.2 center woes. Critics be silenced and damned!
Seriously though, given the thinking was he hadnt done much on a plug line, he gets promoted and goes back to what we thought we had in the pre-season. it’s at least a hint at confirming he’s maybe what we thought he might be. (And all the qualification in this paragraph is intended.)
It's a really positive sign, to be sure
Consistency is the question now.
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 28, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Silly me, I went out after the 2nd and missed the 3rd!!
This was what we were hoping this season would be like: Lose but play hard and never give up. Hopefully the new team spirit will convince Alfie to come back for another season. He was on fire tonight.
i totally see what mclean is saying about condra
condra looked fantastic tonight on the pk and in defensive zone coverage. i didn’t think he had the quick first step that he does. the da costa goal was a masterpiece of effort by condra — he tipped the cross ice pass in the defensive zone, chased it, poked it to michalek, continued to burst forth with speed, then made a beautiful cross up pass to da costa. bravo! even on his other shifts i noticed his forecheck was excellent and he put a lot of pressure on the defensemen in our own zone. he really does have the potential to be an elite pk and defensive player in this league. and i doubted him in the early going.. tsk tsk.
Condra is great with Neil and Smith
I love that third line of Condra, Smith and Neil! Didnt see it much tonight but they seem to play pretty well together. I hope that Line sticks. And Foligno seems to be playing really well the last two games. Glad he got a goal for it tonight. This is what I see Lines as so far
Micky Spezza Greening
Foligno DaCosta Alfredsson
Condra Smith Neil
Winchester Konopka Doggy
I dont know what were doing with Butler, Regin, Filatov Doggy but one thing is for sure… I just plain dont like Winchester. Nothing personal but I dont see the skill there at all. Coaching and GM are going to hae a lot of fun moving things around :) Glad im not them.
It was Neil, Smith and Daugavins tonight
Condra was with Konopka and Winchester. That line didn’t do too much though, as Darren noted.
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I think Tyler.mv is suggesting line changes to put Condra alongside Zmith and Neil.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 28, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Da Costa made me eat my words
I’m going to talk shit on a different Senator prior to each game if this becomes a trend
by LeTigre on Oct 28, 2011 12:34 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Good idea
But there’s a considerable body of empirical evidence that shit-talking doesn’t make Kuba better. If it did, he’d be Bobby Orr.
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Computer is crazy
It posted the subject line twice and lost my clever message about how if shit talking made Senators good, then Kuba would be Bobby Orr by now.
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
The site's wonky
It did that to me a couple of times yesterday. Your comment actually posted fine, it just shows up weird for you.
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Thanks
Good to know, though I’m sad to find out that I ruined my own joke for no reason.
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it happened to a few of my comments just now.
Someone needs to tell SB Nation their site’s having issues!
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They know
They’re having issues because they’re performing back end work, as I understand it.
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 28, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
It also keeps signing me out which is annoying
But the connect via fb function is often wonky and it could easily be fb’s fault.
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Unreal
While we might be in a rebuild, if we get a season with the excitement level of these games, we might be referring to these as the glory years. Such entertaining games.
Michalek was a beast tonight
I really hope he can keep up pace.
Also I like the fact that greenIng chose to shoot instead of passing it to spezza. This young team needs some confidence and I think the last couple games have helped that along. And it’s good to see DaCosta back to his old self.
by Chuck Wood on Oct 28, 2011 1:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Greening has had a few good games
On both ends of the ice. I was really impressed with his backcheck to take out Skinner in the Carolina game.
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I echo Adnan
I am just in love. So many positive things to say, but fact is, even though we’ve played some lesser opponents lately, the team has played very well. Gonchar was unreal again tonight. Cowen was great on the pk, and even though he has no points, he rang one off the bar late. Greening is getting more confident, and that line is just amazing. Really glad to see the effect Alfie has on that line with Da Costa and Foligno, that line was really really good tonight, and once teams figure out that Jason Spezza’s line is for real, having that second line contribute will be huge.
also, thought the powerplay looked great tonight on the chance in the first (I think it was the first). hats off to Dave Cameron for that.
has anyone sent murray the 'fail for nail' memo yet?
i’m not sure what mediocrity does for the rebuild. finishing near .500, and missing the playoffs, is all well and good but it doesn’t land a good draft place, nor get any playoff experience.
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Resctocking in Aisle 1
I don’t know if others will agree, but I think there is now enough prospect depth/talent in the pipeline that we don’t need to panic if we don’t finish bottom 5. It would be great to get another sure-fire, blue-chip future star, for sure, but I don’t think the rebuild fails if this year goes so-so.
Just my view.
by sensory_experience on Oct 28, 2011 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree with Sensory_experience
As much as the odds improve when drafting higher, BM has drafted Karlsson (13th or 15th) & traded for Runblad (drafted @ 16th overall) for the Sens, & he drafted Corey Perry years ago with a high 20th overall pick. This year snagged Zibanejad, Noesen & Puempel with later picks in the first round- though we have yet to know how that turns out, they’re looking pretty good so far. I trust the scouting staff to come out with a good 1st round pick regardless of where it is. That being said, the biggest thing that is great to see is the effort & never say die attitude of this team. Sure it has its problems, but the fans just want to see effort. Its only 10 games in, there is plenty of time for this team to struggle yet, and they probably will. But if the team competes for a playoff spot, and then fails to make it, it will be a great learning experience for a very young team. It doesn’t matter where they finish, this year is all about development.
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Everyone thinks they have enough.
Good point.
Not only are there a lot of good, legit prospects in the system, but our drafting record in the mid-lower 1st round is pretty decent.
by sensory_experience on Oct 28, 2011 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
However, this is an important time for the Senators, and although we have optimism about the future now, we may be kicking ourselves 3-4 years down the line for not having another star on the team. If it makes the difference between cup and conferance finalist, that’s worth failing for. Good drafting or not, 15th overall will always be riskier than 4th.
I’m looking for a solid start to the season, a slip to bottom 5 near then end, and good skating time for the rookies. Some trade deadline moves will help diminish the talent, so it might help the slide from 18th to 25th while giving us another 1st rounder. Gonchar, Michalek, Kuba are all looking like legitimate 1st round trades if not better.
by BD Rebuilders on Oct 28, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Deadline trade
I will be very surprised if Michalek gets dealt. He is still pretty young. Unlike Kuba and Gonchar, I think he is here for the rebuild. Especially because his injury history will probably limit how great a pick we would get for him.
by sensory_experience on Oct 28, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Guess that depends on the teams perspective on the rebuild. Michalek is young, but his knees already have a whole hell of a lot of mileage on them. If you could flip him as part of a package that gets another first or a good prospect I’d say do it. I really like him, but his knees make me leery.
by modsuperstar on Oct 28, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Even then, dicey.
I find it hard to imagine the team will leave themselves will only a single guaranteed top 6 talent (Spezza) after this year. (Alfie may retire, and no one else on the team besides Michalek has “definitely top two lines” pedigree yet.)
If you traded Michalek as part of a package to get a pick, you’d have to do another trade (of a prospect/pick) to get another top 6 winger anyway. And Michalek’s on a reasonable deal.
by sensory_experience on Oct 28, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree, Michalek is not likely to go. But I’d put him as the 3rd most likely to be traded for a 1st round pick (maybe I’m overlooking someone). If he has a solid season, puts up 70 pts for the first time with Spezza’s help, he might bring in a lot more than he’s worth.
I guess overanalysing every possible trade is never a good idea. What I’m hoping for is a trade that makes the current team get a higher pick, and pick up another 1st round pick at the same time. Double benefit.
by BD Rebuilders on Oct 28, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Caveat
I guess if someone proves themselves beyond a shadow of a doubt this year — in the NHL — that could change.
Filatov being the main candidate there, perhaps.
by sensory_experience on Oct 28, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Does Michalek have a non-post related knee-injury?
Because while there could be some long-term effect there, it may just have been a one off.
And it’s hard to replace a guy as all-round as Michalek.
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem is he’s had surgeries on both knees. I believe he has had maybe 4 surgeries on his knees already(correct me if I’m wrong), as I believe he had a couple before we even acquired him.
by modsuperstar on Oct 28, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
If so, then I’m way more concerned.
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Four is the number in my memory
Two before we got him and two after.
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 28, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Four is the magic number
I don’t know what that mean, just that 4 is a magic number is a Wainwright lll song.
by whatsinaname on Oct 28, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
negative
3 total i think. one acl surgery on each (pretty major), one meniscus (minor), and a broken foot with us (bones heal). soooo yes the knees are always a worry, but he hasn’t reinjured either of his surgically repaired knees yet (knock on wood). i may be wrong but i’m pretty sure it was major acl surgery in his first year pro, then meniscus surgery during his time with SJ, then the major acl two summers ago & the broken foot somewhere in there with us as well.
(let me clarify)
hasn’t reinjured the previously injured ligaments
But the draft is not the only way to add stars
Look at how Pittsburgh got James Neal, for instance.
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 28, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't see getting a 1st round pick for any of those players
Based on the market for players last year, and the age/contracts of those players, 2nd rounders for Gonchar/Kuba at best. Michalek might get a 2nd & a prospect at best.
My point though is that I trust our scouting department to get a good player with the 1st pick regardless of where it is. For every Daigle (1st), Berg (3rd), Volchkov (4th) Fata (6th) Tkaczuk (6th) Stefan (1st) Brendel (4th) DiPietro (1st) Svitov (3rd) & Chistov (5th) there is a S Koivu (21st) Briere (24th) Gagne (22nd) Havlat (26th) Volchenkov (21st) Kronwall (29th) Ward (25th) Parise (17th) Getzlaf (19th) M Richards (24th) Kesler (23rd) & Perry (28th).
I don’t necessarily want to see a slide at the end of the year, regardless of whether they are able to unload some of the extras. If they do, and it is fun, exciting hockey to watch because the effort and system is there, but the talent isn’t, then that is ok. But I won’t get on board any ‘fail for nail’ campaign. Who’s to say Nail doesn’t become one of the ’can’t miss kids’ listed above.
The team is greater than the sum of its parts. One more star player doesn’t necessarily mean the difference between Stanley & tears.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
You're right about not cheering for losses
But the lists of draft busts and sleepers always bug me because these arguments ignore the fact that the analysis should be probability-based. Fact is, you’ve got a better chance of getting a good player the closer you pick to no. 1.
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Which I noted in my first comment
I’m just saying that I trust the scouting department of this team to get a good player regardless of where they pick & I don’t want the team to throw the season based on the chance of getting a better player higher in the draft.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
If we want to be the Detroit of the East,
we have to stop looking to Edmonton, Florida, Islanders as examples..getting top 5 darts picks every year. When was the last time Detroit got top 5 draft? To hell with Nail and hello bottom 10 picks. Such bravado is a 4 game winning steak against weak opponents made.
by whatsinaname on Oct 28, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about that
Campoli got us a second rounder last year, Gonchar could be worth a first if he keeps it up. If he’s putting up 45 points, that’s easily worth a late first rounder in my eyes. Look what Kaberle got. Gonchar’s older though I guess.
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It's really hard to judge because of that extra year.
Depending on how the next few months go, that year’s either a big asset or a huge liability when we’re trying to trade him. If he was just gonna be a rental like Kuba, his value would fluctuate a lot less.
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That’s true. Not many contenders have cap room I suppose.
Chicago, Boston, Tampa, Detroit all have $3M+ and they could probably fit Gonchar’s salary pro-rated at the deadline. I don’t know how many of them would want an offensive defenceman though.
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Baring injury, Tampa is the only one of that group that could use him I think.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
The issue with Gonchar being traded this Feb
is that whoever trades for him will have to contend with one more year of $5.5 mil on his contract and will be 38 y.o next season.
by whatsinaname on Oct 28, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
This is my point exactly
If he’s playing really well, that extra year could be what nets us a bigger return than if he was just a rental. But if his play is inconsistent or consistently bad (or even consistently mediocre), that year could make him untradeable.
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Just saw your post above
Excellent point by the way.
by whatsinaname on Oct 29, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I expect something similar to one of the following:
Wideman & McCabe both went for a 3rd rounder & a prospect…
Maybe a 2nd round & a prospect if Gonchar continues his solid year. The cap hit is a big problem. Might have to take an expiring large contract back in return…
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
I would counter with...
The environment for the current young players. If they are losing all the time, will they develop as well as if they put together a few good wins and we pick 10th?
Sure Yakupov could be very useful down the road, but what about the confidence of Rundblad, Cowen, Da Costa?
Having said that, they could still finish dead last, still very early in the season. Only 4 points ahead of 15th. But, I think this team is too talented to be 30th. An injury to Spezza, Karlsson or Anderson could change that though.
All of our best players are playing great, with the exception of Anderson.
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by Adnan on Oct 28, 2011 9:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It’s true, Andy hasn’t been great, but he still makes some big stops for us. I like how the club is playing like a team and has some confidence. Sure Andy let in that tying goal, but the team bucked up and won that game for him regardless. He let in a couple softies in Carolina, but then was a beast in the shootout to clinch the game. I just think this is more of a team than any we’ve seen in a long time. Getting rid of bad guys like Mike Fisher and Chris Kelly must have helped a lot:)
by modsuperstar on Oct 28, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
What about the GA???
As good as Yakupov appears to be, personally I’d rather see he Sens stock up on the defensive side of things with dmen and all around forwards, rather than another small offensive forward. We have plenty of budding offence, and plenty of offence from the back end as well that is developing.
I say how about solidifying the goaltending and the defensive side of things? One prospect albeit a really good one, does not equal depth between the pipes.
And like Mark says, there are other ways besides the draft.
The prospects will sort themselves out and IMO we will end up with enough scoring in the next couple of years… but I’m not so sure about our ability to prevent goals. Our GA is pretty horrid. We need defensive partners for the developing 4th forward-type of dmen like Karlsson and Rundblad, and we need a REAL shutdown pair to protect a lead and shutdown the other team’s best players. I’d like Phillips / Volchenkov in their prime clones.
Not that I am against more offence… bring it on. But, I’m just saying that let’s take care of the GA and make Anderson’s job easier.
Defence is getting better
9 goals allowed in last 4 games. I think as they get used to playing with the same partners, our defence will get better. It’s a young one though, so there will be some nights where they get lit up.
I am not against drafting a defenceman though. I was very happy with how many forwards we took in this year’s draft, now we should just take whatever is the best player.
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Agreed with goaltending
Besides Lehner, there is no depth @ that position in the system. That will have to be addressed. I also wouldn’t mind another defenseman to round out the future top 4 of Karlsson, Runblad & Cowen. 5 – 6 d-men can be picked up cheaply through trade and free agency. Plus we’ve got Borowiecki, Gryba, Wiercioch & Lee for the 5 – 6 slots.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
I think you raise a good point. Either Spezza or Anderson go down with an injury
And we’re potentially SOL. Although people said the same about Pittsburgh and they did alright. And I would argue that Crosby/Malkin do way more for that team.
Hey remember that time we were in 4th last year?
And Kris Letang was allowed to hump spezza’s face into the boards from 3 feet away?
And how we ended up a lottery pick?
Just saying.
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
We need to get over this Fail for Nail thing you guys...
Columbus is getting that guy. It is going to be too hard to suck as more than Columbus will this year.
How is anyone supposed to top Sterling Snakehouse?
by worsteverything on Oct 28, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Great job me!
This is my first time typing.
Fo-giv-e-ness, please
How is anyone supposed to top Sterling Snakehouse?
by worsteverything on Oct 28, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I've heard they might improve when Carter is healthy.
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 28, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what I'm hearing as well.
Shawn McEachern: The best Senator to ever wear 15.
by Speedy_McEachern on Oct 28, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
nope
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
She and I went to the same high school, you know. And we even had the same English teacher.
Until it became so trendy to be a hipster, I had no idea what irony really was. Something about a lot of spoons, right? It’s like when you have a large number of spoons?
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I just delete mine
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I wouldn't bet on Columbus
There’s still plenty of time for Edmonton to tank.
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Them again?
Those guys and their top draft picks….it’s beginning to be feel like it’s “Sample Saturday” at Costco and Edmonton is the guys pretending to look at things in the freezers so that they can keep getting slices of the next Delissio pizza to come out of the toaster oven.
I mean come on, you’ve had 3 slices already Edmonton, go hit the sausage-roll table or something and leave some pizza for the rest of us!
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Right, good point
Bryan Murray should have re-hired one of the shitty coaches from the past so that this team could lose more games. And he should tell his players that they need to start playing poorly.
What exactly do you expect him to do?
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 28, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry if that came off a little jerk-ish
… or a lot jerk-ish.
But seriously, what do you think he should have done differently?
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 3, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I love the work ethic, the passion, the excitment and young spirit of this team!
They are so much fun to watch… and there is still sooo much to cheer for!!
by Los Blancos Chicca on Oct 28, 2011 8:26 AM EDT reply actions
I was thinking that too last night
Even if they were losing, they were still mesmerizing to watch.
by SuckItTrebek on Oct 28, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't look now...
but the Sens are in 8th place.
It won’t last, but boy, does it look good on them.
by JonathanA on Oct 28, 2011 8:33 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
7 of 8 teams on Nov 1st last year
in playoff position made it to the dance in May.
by whatsinaname on Oct 28, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
true true, these next 3 games until Nov. 1st, 2 against division rivals, could literally spell Boom or doom for the “heart attack kids” if you want to gauge the season by those stats.
by spezzasbrother on Oct 28, 2011 12:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I saw that too!
I was like, “WHY ARE YOU CHEERING DOUCHBAG?!”
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 28, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, wait
It’s probably because Da Costa is French, huh. But… he’s French French, not French Canadian.
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 28, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone needs to put a flying waffle into that picture…. or a double down.
by SuckItTrebek on Oct 28, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
don't want to be a rotten apple...
but, the Sens would be a more dangerous team if… wait for it…Spezza would back check alittle harder.I seen at least one play were I think, mind you tho, I ain’t no expert judge of talent… were I think if he would have used his long legs to skate harder, he just MIGHT have saved a goal….mind you, that’s why my day job doesn’t involve coaching.
by spezzasbrother on Oct 28, 2011 9:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Your own brother?
You should change your name to Fredo Spezza.
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd for amazingness
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 28, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh Fredo
You could also change your name to Tobias Funkë.
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Gob: You’re in love with your own brother, the one in the army.
Wife of Gob: No, your sister’s husband.
Gob: Michael? Michael!
Wife of Gob: No, that’s your sister’s brother.
Gob: No, I’m my sister’s brother. You’re in love with me. Me.
Wife of Gob: I’m in love with Tobias.
Gob: My brother-in-law?
Wife of Gob: I know it can never be. So I’m leaving and enlisting in the army.
Gob: To be with your brother.
Wife of Gob: No.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 28, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm afraid that I just blue myself.
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
RogerTheAnalrapist
Shawn McEachern: The best Senator to ever wear 15.
by Speedy_McEachern on Oct 28, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
It wasn’t the pronunciation I was worried about…
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 28, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
so… anyone know how those 2 delayed-penalty goals effect our PP percentage? the stats from last night say we were 0/2, but shouldn’t they count that as either 0/0 (because we never actually got a chance on the power play) or 2/2 (because essentially we extended our powerplay and it worked)?
We fell to second in the PP last night, and clearly I’m upset :)
They don't count towards our power play stats
We had a man advantage because the goalie was pulled, not because Florida was short a skater.
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 28, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
The two power plays in the stats were different than the two delayed penalties where we scored
At best, we can say the team was 2/4 last night.
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 28, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
THE GLORIOUS UNPROVENS
Had a heck of a game tonight. Condra and Greening were both instrumental in the win.
Greening especially. He’s unlike any player the Senators have ever had.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 28, 2011 10:09 AM EDT reply actions
Peter you are so right about Greening!
I didn’t see it last year but now I get it.
by Los Blancos Chicca on Oct 28, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I ALWAYS supported Soylent in the great Condra-Greening debates of last season
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 28, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I will admit, I was “meh” on both and didn’t have a preference either way.
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Despite the good play from both recently
That does kinda feel like debating whether you like the bologna with the pieces of olive or the bologna with the pieces of macaroni.
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Aside: do people actually flag people when they say that?
I do … but if that just adds work to the mods, I’ll stop doing it …
Yeah I used to
But please don’t unless you mean it. Mark and Peter actually check every comment that is flagged.
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I think this one was deserved though
How can you have such good taste in hockey teams and such poor taste in soccer teams and brined mediterranean tree fruit?
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
The rule I go by is "Say 'flagged' if you're joking, flag and say nothing if you're serious"
That’s what I’d advise everyone else to do. If you really feel a comment is inappropriate for any reason, just flag it and one of use will look at it.
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Wait, black or green?
This is important
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Woodstock: What’s the password?
Ace Ventura: New England clam chowder.
Woodstock: Is that the red or the white?
Ace Ventura: Ah, I can never remember that. White.
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t like olives of any kind. :/
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Just when I think your taste can't be worse
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I assumed both were 3-4 liners
Both might still be, but Greening is definitely looking good on that top line. And Condra is proving a more than capable replacement for Bad Guy Chris Kelly.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 28, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Greening is the type of top-line guy who can only play top-line minutes with the right linemates. He doesn’t have the skill of a top line guy, but he can contribute in other ways to make his linemates better.
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Exactly.
He’s not skilled enough to be a top line guy, but he can compliment players well. He can bang home a lot of garbage goals, and if that’s what the line needs, he’s your guy.
i dono
he won like… every single competition at the sens super skills… if he can work on his hands a bit, develop a quick release wrist shot, and fully commit to using his size (which he has been thus far this year), then i would say he’s primed to be a legit first liner… i would say mclean has a big deal to do with that!
Well for me it was that I was expecting him to be a 3-4 liner... but now he is looking really good in the top 6.
It may or may not last but he looks pretty good.
by Los Blancos Chicca on Oct 28, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Who's a comparable player to what Greening could end up being?
Kesler?
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by Speedy_McEachern on Oct 28, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah
He’ll never be anywhere near what Kesler is. I can’t think of a comparable off the top of my head.
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I was thinking that he'd be comparable to Kesler in terms of style of play.
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by Speedy_McEachern on Oct 28, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
What about maybe Scott Hartnell? Almost identical size and weight.
by modsuperstar on Oct 28, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
And since he’s a Newfie I bet he’d be able to grow a fierce beard like Hartnell too.
by modsuperstar on Oct 28, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Not if he wants to play on the first line.
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Spezza’s got a beard now, it’s allowed
by modsuperstar on Oct 28, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Spezza is the exception to every rule
Composite sticks? The Spezz laughs at your rules.
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I just want to see DaCosta's.
He doesn’t exactly look hirsute.
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he’ll have an invisi-beard is my guess. Or it’ll be really patchy.
by modsuperstar on Oct 28, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
I can easily picture him with a nice, robust beard that makes his head look even more disproportionately small.
Oh Captain, my Captain!
Hahaha.
When I try to picture him with a beard I just get an image of him with a drawn-on burnt cork beard, like a kid in a pirate costume.
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
A pencil thin french mustache would be pretty good too
by modsuperstar on Oct 28, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
This definitely needs to be a draft consideration. We can’t be drafting players that can’t grow a fierce playoff beard. I think Sidney Crosby was lucky to be drafted given his poor beard growing capabilities.
by modsuperstar on Oct 28, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It's true. You look at the Bruins - they all had beards.
We lost to Anaheim due to their superior beardliness.
We need to draft more kids who look like Cowen. He already has that lost old man look, I’m sure he can grow a mean hobo-beard.
He was pretty beardly in the Calder Cup run.
Space for rent.
by awr.campbell on Oct 28, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking a Mark Recchi type
maybe Dustin Penner with more ‘compete’
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
I'm not really good at comparables
Brenden Morrow, Ryan Malone, and Dustin Brown seem like absolute best-case scenarios.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 28, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd take any one of the 3
Especially Brown & Morrow @ 25 years old!
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
Yeah Power Forward
Greening does what Alfy used to do… defensive strength with some offence, and every once in a while he creams someone.
Hopefully Z’jad will come back from Sweden a great defensive player who can score big time as well and hits people hard while he is at it… Can you tell I love Power Forwards???
That picture of Furby's face says it all.
That was an excellent game last night. How excellent? I can barely talk today because of all the cheering. That’s really all I can say about it!
Oh Captain, my Captain!
DaCosta
I have been skeptical about him, but he played well last night. If he keeps this kind of play going, I will be happy to eat my words.
It’s all about being given the opportunity. The Sens wanted to see what ZBad could do and give him every opportunity to succeed, as you know the team wanted him to stay in North America this year. To give him that opportunity it unfortunately meant DaCosta had to play on the 4th line. Now with that out of the way we can hopefully see him shine and earn that 2nd line spot.
by modsuperstar on Oct 28, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Performing
With the amount of prospects we have, it’s also about performing when you are given the opportunity. Hopefully Filatov is learning about that in Bingo, and DaCosta and Butler will do that now.
Fail for Nail
First of all, this line is neither catchy or appealing. As a die-hard fan, like I’m sure many of you are, when I’m watching the final minutes of any Senators game and the boys have a shot to tie up the game or even win I’m on the edge of my seat waiting for something big to develop. In only 10 games the Sens have shown crazy amounts of heart and determination. I am totally in love with them again and watching them play has been the most exciting hockey I’ve seen from them since their cup run in ‘07. We all knew going into this season that the outlook was grim and we were likely to see a many more games go into the loss column and at the beginning of the season that’s exactly what it looked like we were headed for. Instead we are now sitting on a 4 game winning streak and have seen two games bound for overtime stolen on pure will. I can’t bring myself to ever cheer for the senators to lose, especially solely on the hopes that we land some kid who might make us better in a few years. The team can win now, and that is exactly what they have been showing. I’m not saying that I think this year we’ve got an excellent shot at the cup, or that realistically we have any shot at all. However, I am saying that these young kids are proving that they are for real and they can play solid, exciting NHL hockey. We don’t need Nail, we don’t need cynical fans worried about landing one more star for tomorrow, and we definitely don’t need to throw games when there is an opportunity to out-work the opponent and steal a game or two. I have always gotten mocked for being a Senators fan by various low-foreheads and troglodyte type mouth breathers, and I knew this season with so many new and unproven faces would likely bring a lot of hockey trash talk. So far I have loved every second of what Ottawa has done and regardless of where they end up in the standings I will be happy as long as this effort is carried out through the season. We will draft and develop someone awesome no matter what, he will come in and ay with all our other awesome players, and a good era of Sens hockey will resume. My rant may be wordy and I may be rehashing the same thing over and over but my point remains. No tanking for anyone, we have enough young up-and-comers to keep us excited for years to come, and management has a much clearer idea of what type of player will most help future success and how to acquire him. in conclusion, Ottawa for the win!
by Hawdon00 on Oct 28, 2011 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
OTT FTW
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 28, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
On the Fail for Nail thing
I think 2 points need to be made about this:
1. While I’m not one of those pedants who gets upset about fans referring to the team as “we”, there is a massive distinction between the fans hoping for a high draft pick and the team “throwing games”. The team deliberately tanking is WAY different thing than the team not winning games.
2. In the end, I think the whole idea of cheering for the “Fail for Nail” thing is hoping that the team plays well and the young players develop, but that at the end of the season, when you add up all the points, the team has a high draft pick. Was it after the Washington game that people were pointing out that the ideal situation for the Sens this year had just played out: to have a great exciting game but ultimately lose a heartbreaker?
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Psychology fact
Fans are more likely to say “we” when the team is doing well because they want to be involved, but when the team does poorly they’re more likely to say “them” to distance themselves from failure.
Oh Captain, my Captain!
While I very much feel the same way as you do with regards to the team’s fortunes, I do understand the other side too. You’ll notice that the teams who have had success the last few years, namely Pittsburgh, Washington and Chicago are teams that scraped rock bottom, then got premium talent through the draft from those rough years and rose to the top of the league.
As much as I love seeing the team be competitive and win, there’s another side of me that understands that those premium players are really what makes a Stanley Cup contender in the current climate of the NHL. While there isn’t one surefire way to build a winner, there does seem to be some similarities between how some of the more successful clubs and how they got there.
I will note though, Ottawa does have a few premium picks already. I’m not sure if Zbad will prove to be a top pick or a reach, as he did seemingly come out of nowhere. Then we have Cowen, who was supposed to be a top 5 pick before he hurt his knee. So he could prove to be a premium piece still. I doubt either is going to be Crosby or Chara, but they could have a high ceiling.
by modsuperstar on Oct 28, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
See:
Bruins, Boston
Red Wings, Detroit
Hurricanes, Colorado
Lightning, Tampa Bay
Devils, New Jersey
Teams that did not ‘scrape rock bottom’ to build a contender through the draft.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
See:
Maple Leaves, Toronto
Panthers, Florida
Blue Jackets, Columbus
Wild, Minnesota
Flames, Calgary
Teams that provide a counterpoint to your position.
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not a counterpoint
It’s another supportive point, in that those teams represent ones that scraped the bottom and yet still failed to assemble the necessary talent to seriously compete.
Except Calgary and Minnesota. I’m not sure what they’re doing in there.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 3, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Lightning acquired Lecavalier and Stamkos after horrible seasons. Colorado built up their Stanley Cup winning teams through some horrible seasons in Quebec and the flukey acquisition of Patrick Roy.
Colorado (Quebec) built their team mostly by trading Lindros
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm in agreement here.
My problem with teams who scrape the bottom is that they generally get a short term fix. At the end of the day, you need a great GM to keep your team on the top. If you have a great GM, then you don’t need a top ten pick.
by Pmoron on Oct 28, 2011 7:22 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Finish games in regulation
I am going to make a rather nerdy point here: IF the Senators are not going to make the playoffs this year(which I still think they won’t) THEN I would like to see them finish as many of their games as possible in regulation time.
This is a season where I think it will do the team no good to pile up a bunch of overtime losses and shootout losses. Those “empty points” do nothing for the team’s morale whatsoever(IMHO) while floating them up the conference standings from say 14th to 10th (which gets them a worse draft pick, but not a playoff berth).
To paraphrase the wise Yoda: “Win or lose, there is no tie.”
That's not particularly nerdy
But it is particularly confusing to cheer for.
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Confusing, no doubt about that.
Basically, my first choice is for the Sens to win. My second choice is for them to lose in regulation. And my least preferred outcome is a Sens loss in either overtime or the shootout (empty points, for the purposes of this season).
…Lose heartbreakingly in regulation with good performances from the young players, who are JUST a season’s experience short of being able to pull it off. And maybe by a flukey goal from the other team that no one could have done anything about.
Oh, and maybe there were some big hits and highlight reel plays.
Ya that would do.
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you mean you'd like to see them lose in regulation
If it’s an OT or SO win, the points aren’t empty.
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Oh my
Good message, but a paragraph break or two would be appreciated next time. I don’t mean that in a mean way that is just one huge block of text.
Although I do think that the “fail for Nail” talk on here is mostly tongue in cheek.
Oh Captain, my Captain!
I don't really care about us getting Nail
I just really hope that Montreal doesn’t draft him :)
I got a signed Chris Phillips jersey! (Also signed by Nick Foligno)
...Oh, wait.
Excellent points
More paragraphs would make for easier digestion though!
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 2:01 PM EDT reply actions
You are doing it on purpose now! :P
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I was hoping no one would notice
I’m starting to feel like Jason Biggs in the famous Elizabeth Shannon scene in American Pie.
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 28, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh...
Well, you can be facetious, just make it more obvious next time!
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by Peter Raaymakers on Nov 3, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Gotcha
Break up the ideas into paragraphs. I drove my English teachers crazy too.
My point was just that I don’t understand or agree with the idea of ‘lose now so we can potentially win in 2 or 3 years’. I feel like now is one of the most exciting times to watch the Senators play, because we know they are underdogs and it is going to take an extreme effort and – dare I say it – team play to get goals and wins. Right now that is exactly what we are getting from a team that was predicted to finish dead last in the East.
I’m happy with what I have seen so far. So happy that I brag to people about Ottawa winning these games in heart-stopping fashion. Speaking of – I feel like I saw something about the heart-attack kids on a thread here only to see the Senators called the cardiac kids on my facebook. People are definitely ripping off your nicknames, and not only ripping them off, they’re giving them the Zellers brand names. Ottawa media sometimes shames me.
But I still wish I lived there so I could watch games consistently.
THEY TOTALLY DID!
We called them the Heart Attack Kids here, and the media is calling them the Cardiac Kids! Same as how we named him Paulrus, and they copied that too!!
To stay 1 step ahead...
Myocardial Infarction Children?
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