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Mika Zibanejad is gone... now what?

Is this Ottawa's new second line center?. (Photo by Abelimages/Getty Images)

The Ottawa Senators decided forward Mika Zibanejad wasn't quite ready for the NHL, sending him back to Djurgårdens IF of the Swedish Elite League for the 2011-12 season. There's not much shame in this--few 18-year-olds are ready to play in the NHL. Jason Spezza wasn't, and he certainly turned out all right.

With the great Zibanejad decision made, there's no point in continuing to second-guess it. Right or wrong, he's no longer available to the Senators this year. Whether this move was best for his development remains to be seen, and further speculation won't do us any good. All we can do now is hope he focuses on the things he needs to improve on and returns next year as a complete NHL player. Given what we saw from him this year, that shouldn't be a major concern for Sens fans.

However, Zibanejad's departure creates new, interesting questions. What was the team's most heated position battle in preseason suddenly appears to have resolved itself with crystal clarity. Let's take a look at what that may mean for the team.

Star-divide

Second line center was a position contested by Zibanejad, Stephane Da Costa, and Peter Regin. We know Zibanejad's fate, and Regin is out indefinitely after suffering a second injury to his freshly surgically-repaired shoulder in a matter of months. That leaves Da Costa as the last man standing. Presumably this is now his spot.

Does he deserve it?

He looked like he did early in the season. In his first few games, Da Costa was bouncing up from big hits and flinging the puck around like a miniature Jason Spezza -- call him Pocket Giggles. But somewhere along the way, his creativity seemed to fade and couldn't make up for his defensive deficiencies. As it turns out, defensive deficiencies are not part of head coach Paul MacLean's vision for the team, and as a result, Da Costa has been centering the fourth line for the last few games. It's very likely he will get the first crack at the vacated position, but he's not guaranteed to hold on to it by any means.

What if he doesn't?

There aren't many good options for the Senators.

  • They could try promoting Zack Smith, but this would probably be setting him up for failure. I'm the biggest Z. Smith fan I know, but his style of play is simply not suited for the second line. It's possible that he could try to fill a Colin Greening-type role and create space for Nick Foligno and Daniel Alfredsson, but both of those players are already pretty good at creating space.
  • They could try calling up Corey Locke and sending Da Costa down to play in his place. This is possible, but the team's actions from the past season (calling up several players ahead of Locke) give me the impression they consider him to be an AHL player and not an NHL one.
  • They could try sliding Nick Foligno to center, a position he has played before. However, Foligno hasn't generally displayed any kind of prowess to believe he'd be any better option than Da Costa.
  • They could try trading for a veteran center, but this creates the same logjam if Regin recovers to play--even if Da Costa is sent down, the team would have too many forwards.

As it stands, the team has too many forwards anyway, which creates another problem. The top three appear to be pretty locked in at the moment, but Greening may not last on Spezza's wing all year long. We can confidently say that Spezza, Alfredsson, and Milan Michalek will all be in the top six when healthy. It's probably safe to say that Greening is going to be in the top six for the foreseeable future. Even if we assume that Da Costa takes the second line center spot for the rest of the year and Regin does not return, that leaves one spot for three candidates: Nick Foligno, Bobby Butler, and Nikita Filatov. Add the inspired play of Kaspars Daugavins to the mix, and it's clear that MacLean and general manager Bryan Murray probably aren't done making roster decisions.

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Haven't been on here in a while

But the mood re: Da Costa has certainly changed. I’ve been watching all the games, and, yeah, it’s tough to notice Da Costa, but show me the rookie that’s going to shine playing with Zenon Konopka for 8 minutes a game. I realize he was sent down there for defensive issues, but let the kid play. I thought that’s what this season was all about. He’s played 13 NHL, the learning curve will be steep. But it’s his job now. He has security (or he should, as, with all do respect to your potential solutions list, this is the only palatable one), so he can focus on taking steps to improve without worrying about being busted back down to the fourth line in meantime. I, for one, am looking forward to see what he can do with Alfredsson and Foligno, a line that looked good early.

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by bacraswell on Oct 27, 2011 7:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I think your right re: Da Costa being the only palatable option at this time.

However, I don’t have much problem with DaCosta being sent a message – assuming that is what it is – if he isn’t doing the things the coach is asking him to do. So far, in judging PM, he seems to let his guys play and make mistakes, as long as they are doing the little things that he asks of them. If they don’t, then they have the opportunity to earn their playing time back by doing it in practice and on the 4th line or in the AHL. I fully expect DaCosta back on the 2nd line in the future. In the meantime, it wouldn’t be a surprise to me if PM did give Foligno a shot at centre. The players all started with a clean slate. Just because it didn’t work great before under previous coaches with previous players doesn’t mean it won’t work now in a different situation.

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by havey03 on Oct 27, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

DaCosta: I agree, there is no harm in taking away some offensive responsibilities, so that he can focus on honing his defensive game. On the fourth line he just has to keep his game simple, make the smart play with the puck and make sure he picks up his man on the backcheck. When he gets that under control then he gets another shot on a scoring line. Personally, I still think Bingo could be a good option for DaCosta.

Foligno: It’s pure speculation, but I wonder if a Filatov-Foligno-Alfredsson line could work. Filatov would be the playmaker on offense, but Foligno would handle the defensive responsibilities of the centre position. It would be a slightly unnatural combination, but these are all smart players, so they might be able to make it work. It’s unfortunate that Filatov is a winger and not a centre. In that case this line would seem to be a natural.

by DW19 on Oct 27, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

With Regin out, that would be a nice line if it works

Those 3 would have a nice balance of complementary skills.

I think people underestimate the difficulty of switching from the wing to centre though.

by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 27, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure Foligno began his career as a center

Which is the only reason it’s being brought up as a possibility—the switch presumably wouldn’t be as difficult for him.

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by Mark Parisi on Oct 27, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

You took the words right out of my mouth.

by DW19 on Oct 27, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I prefer Da Costa at Center to Foligno

Foligno is one of better skaters on the team, and he works his ass off, but he lacks the vision and offensive awareness required of a second-line center. Da Costa’s best traits are his creativity and his ability to see the ice. Let Alfie and Foligno make up for SDC’s defensive shortcomings.

by Andy Dax on Oct 27, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're probably right.

I think Foligno’s skill set is better suited to the wing.

by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 27, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's my feeling as well

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by Mark Parisi on Oct 27, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's something Fisher-esque about Foligno

When you watch him, he looks like he’s strong enough and fast enough to be a serious scoring threat, but he’s not a great passer and his shot lacks accuracy. For all his wild rushes up the wing, the majority of his goals are banged in from just outside the crease.

by Andy Dax on Oct 27, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which would complement SDC well

He gets into the corners, gets it to SDC who gets space, throws it at the net and Furby bangs in any rebounds.

by The Tif on Oct 27, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love Fisher as much as the next Sens fan, but you have to admit that he was the master of blowing by defencemen with ease and firing laser-beams straight into the goalie’s chest.

by Andy Dax on Oct 27, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I will admit that

He was not a sniper by any definition of the word.

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by Mark Parisi on Oct 27, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can see it

Maybe not the lacking accuracy part, but Fisher always seemed on the bubble in terms of being a legit second-line guy and Foligno’s shaping up that way too.

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by AlfieGirl on Oct 27, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

ERIK KARLSSON FOR NORRIS!

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by Adnan on Oct 27, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wha?

Watch the next time he gets on his horse to back-check. He might not have the best agility/acceleration, but North-South he’s one of the fastest skaters on the team.

by Andy Dax on Oct 27, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you give him half of the rink to get up to speed, sure

But make sure to remind him to watch out for the blue line or he’ll lose that edge every time

by LeTigre on Oct 27, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

So true.

After getting an outlet pass, he’ll look like gangbusters all the way through the neutral zone, but between the blueline and the hashmarks: watch out!

by Andy Dax on Oct 27, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's another possibility that I didn't write about but considered

It could be that this decision was made a week ago, and Da Costa and Zibanejad were playing on their lines simply for experience — Mikachu for good minutes and Da Costa for defensive responsibility and not as any kind of message..

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by Mark Parisi on Oct 27, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Huh. This is true.

I think Da Costa may have benefited from just playing in the NHL – the speed and size of the players are different to what he’s used to. We don’t want him being Phaneuf’d again out there.

by The Tif on Oct 27, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's What I feel is the case

Da Costa didn’t “dissappear” until he was sent to the 4th. They knew that he was effective at 2C but were determined to give Regin and Zibby their chances. I’ve said it on other forums, I’m really excited to see him back in that position with Alfie and rotate in Butler, Foligno, Filatov to see which works.

by timac on Oct 27, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope you are right

Hopefully, DaCosta can come back to the fore on a scoring line. I am looking forward to seeing how he does.

by DW19 on Oct 27, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

This hadn't occurred to me

But now that you mention it, I kind of hope that’s what was going on. I guess we’ll see tonight if Da Costa starts getting more ice time.

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by AlfieGirl on Oct 27, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's on the 2nd line tonight

With Alfie and Foligno. So I would guess he gets more time and power play too.

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by Adnan on Oct 27, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another option

Was that they felt they were more time-limited in giving Z-bad a proper audition on the 2nd line than they were with Da Costa.

by B_T on Oct 27, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think I see where you are going with this...

It could be that with Zibanejad sent to Sweden the Sens will now give DaCosta his “true” audition for the 2nd line Centre spot. Perhaps they will give him the next 5-10 games while they figure out what Regin’s future is going to look like (ie surgery or other treatment options). Then around game 20 or so, they re-evaluate. Teams generally take stock around that point anyway.

by DW19 on Oct 27, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

do you think

this could also be true about Filitov’s trip to Bingo?

Go luck yourself.

by ottawachiefsfan on Oct 27, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I certainly think it's possible

He’s getting top line minutes, which he needs for development. And he’s learning from what I consider one of the best teaching coaches I’ve ever seen in Kurt Kleinendorst. It’s how he responds that will determine his fate, I think.

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by Mark Parisi on Oct 27, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I don't see any realistic solutions aside from Da Costa at the moment

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by Adnan on Oct 27, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's see how they do against the Panthers tonight.

This is one of those ‘should-beat’ teams, but Florida’s been revving the engine.

(And hey, Elliott’s got his winning streak going again! Good man. God, when he’s on, there’s nothing like an 11-game winning streak. :D)

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by Nightbreak on Oct 27, 2011 8:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks, Bobby

What are your thoughts on Locke?

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by Mark Parisi on Oct 27, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good luck to Da Costa, supposing he gets put back on the second line

I also hope that Filatov gets another crack at playing on one of the top two lines before long, but I suppose that will be determined pending discussion between MacLean & Kleinendorst.

It is hard to picture whom the Senators might use to fill the void left by Zibanejad’s departure.

by JonathanA on Oct 27, 2011 9:01 AM EDT reply actions  

No great options.

I think we have to recognize there are no truly great options this year. My personal best hope is a quick recovery for Regin and then a solid year for him. Da Costa could perform decently. Seems to click with Alfie (and Michalek, but he’s doing too well with Spezza and Greening for now).

I’m not really that keen on Foligno or Locke there, nor on trading anything valuable for a 2C (if our logjam of defencemen somehow gets us a stopgap, fine).

Reality is the Sens’ 2nd line will not be as big a scoring threat this year, so we’ll have to hope the PP (and Anderson) keeps performing if the team is to avoid embarrassing itself.

I also think Foligno has failed to rise to the occasion/opportunity once again. He could be a good third liner. I’m having increasing difficulty seeing him develop into a bonafide second liner at this point.

With that, FWIW, I’d roll with this once it’s an option:

Greening – Spezza – Michalek
Filatov (Butler) – Regin (Da Costa) – Alfie
Foligno – Z. Smith – Neil
Condra – Winchester/Konopka – whoever from the 2nd line options above isn’t in the pressbox

Depending on the mix, you could also drop Butler to Neil’s spot or Da Costa to Z. Smith’s spot and rotate those guys on to the 4th line.

by sensory_experience on Oct 27, 2011 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Butler is a mystery. He seems to have been used on the fourth line because he didn’t play the way MacLean wanted him to. The question is did he under-perform due to injury or is he just slow in adapting to MacLean’s gameplan?

by DW19 on Oct 27, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Short audition

I didn’t feel like Butler got much of a shot up front this year. He was shooting a lot and getting chances but not burying them.

That said, clearly a lot of the line placement seems to have to do with more than just in-game performance. (e.g., see Filatov)

by sensory_experience on Oct 27, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if..

Butler was nursing that injury and that’s why he was relegated while he was playing. McLean, when asked, was not dissapointed in him. Of course he’s not the Butler of last year right now though – he’s not even playing.

by timac on Oct 27, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

MacLean also seemed to indicate that Butler knew what he had to work on

His comments made me think that it was simply about making sure he was responsible without the puck, too.

I really don’t get the sense that MacLean gets “disappointed” with our young guys. The way he’s always talking to everyone on the bench makes me think he’s all about teaching.

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by Mark Parisi on Oct 27, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

He’s been open and honest – even with the press. He said up front that Butler needs to work on his backchecking, and I’m sure he gave Filatov and Da Costa pointers to help them out.

by The Tif on Oct 27, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was just wondering the same thing.

I guess we’ll see when he’s back in a couple of weeks.

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by AlfieGirl on Oct 27, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that right now they should play Da Costa up there.

Da Costa with Filatov on the wing with Foligno or Neil would be interesting. Two guys who can make space and one guy who can jam home loose pucks.

But I really think that Da Costa needs time to get into a groove and get space. Until Regin gets healthy again, I don’t think there’s any better options to be honest.

by The Tif on Oct 27, 2011 9:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I'd agree

I think Da Costa wins by default. Now he has to prove he deserves it.

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by Mark Parisi on Oct 27, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Especially the Foligno option, the way Foligno has played of late.

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by AlfieGirl on Oct 27, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I also think they'll be using Alfie sparingly

So Foligno and Neil can take the occasional shift on the 2nd line to give Alfie a break, and when he takes a night off, call up The Rooster. However, if we’re down a goal with a minute to go, The Captain is out there.

by The Tif on Oct 27, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Makes sense

I still have trouble thinking of Neil as a second line guy, but I admit that he’s played well enough to get there this season (and considering the rest of the options).

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by AlfieGirl on Oct 27, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Neil is a situational second line guy

I wouldn’t want him playing the whole game on a second line, but on certain shifts… I’d have no problem with it.

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by Mark Parisi on Oct 27, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I wouldn’t put him there full time either, and on a more experienced team I don’t know that he’d fit there at all, but on this team and with the way he’s playing under Paulrus it works.

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by AlfieGirl on Oct 27, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah - I'd do it if Alfie needs a break and to cut down on Alfie's ice time.

Neil is defensively responsible, and won’t hurt that line. He’d also be a good complement to SDC’s skill game.

by The Tif on Oct 27, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Foligno needs to shave

I think it’s a general rule that top 6 players are clean shaven, whereas the lunchpail lines show a greater tendency to have scruff.

So if Foligno really wants to cement himself on a scoring line, I think he’ll need to shave.

(Note: playoff beards are a clear deviation from the rule.)

by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 27, 2011 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Isn't Giggles scruffy these days?

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by Adnan on Oct 27, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone needs to shave

Don’t you have to start Movember cleanshaven?

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by AlfieGirl on Oct 27, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

They did.

When Movember started on June 14th.

by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 27, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely.

Which reminds me – I’ll be growing a mo’ this year. Sponsor me! :)

by The Tif on Oct 27, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously

When I was in law school, one of my profs did it. And he was already a wee bit odd to begin with.

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by AlfieGirl on Oct 27, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Spezza is pretty scruffy these days and I have to say I kinda like it. It’s almost like he’s changed his mentality from being fancy to being more hard working and the beard supports that.

by modsuperstar on Oct 27, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

More like fatherhood has left him with no free time

Not even the time to shave in the mornings.

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by AlfieGirl on Oct 27, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, shaving before hockey isn't fun

Having a razor-burned face right before you work until you’re drenched in sweat is uncomfortable. If I was a player, I wouldn’t shave often during the season, either.

by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 27, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

One step at a time

It could be just my imagination, but it feels like MacLean and Murray are taking a logical step-by-step approach to sorting through the roster. First they nailed down the goaltending, which was pretty quick and obvious. Then they sorted through the defense and came up with workable pairings. Now they are getting the forwards organized.

The corollary to this approach is that they have not been focused necessarily on winning every game, but more on evolving the team. Personally, I like the approach and think it will lead to greater long term success than if they obsessed over every single thing on day 1 trying to win ASAP. Btw, don’t take this to mean that I think they are trying to lose. I am just saying that they are taking a methodical “big picture” approach.

by DW19 on Oct 27, 2011 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Tif, apropos of nothing, are you up to catch the Sens-Leafs game at Fanatics on Sunday night? We could probably get a hold of Dave, too.

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by Speedy_McEachern on Oct 27, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't make Sunday unfortunately - got a volleyball game :(

But we should definitely catch a game sometime. Are there any other Kingstonites here?

I shall make a fanpost.

by The Tif on Oct 27, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, an interesting read

Although I don’t really think there’s a serious debate until Regin’s back. Or I suppose if Da Costa totally bombs a few games in the 2C spot, then we’d have to consider options. But for tonight it was pretty obvious what they’d do.

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by AlfieGirl on Oct 27, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't think there's any real surprise

Da Costa’s the last man standing at the moment. It’s what the future holds beyond tonight that interests me. What happens when Regin and Butler are healthy? What if Regin is healthy and Da Costa has been amazing? Those are the wrinkles the move has created.

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by Mark Parisi on Oct 27, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

And as much as I hope we don’t have to answer it, what happens if Regin’s out long-term and Da Costa proves that he is not at all ready to be on the second line?

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by AlfieGirl on Oct 27, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Da Costa thus far

The dude dominated rookie camp. He then showed spurts of encouraging chemistry with Michalek in the preseason. That obviously isn’t a realistic combination anymore, though.

To open the regular season, despite showing excellent instincts on his line with Alfie, he was eaten alive defensively. He and Alfie plummeted to the bottom of the plus minus standings rather quickly. Safe to say that Alfie is not the type of player to trail the league in plus minus, so part of the blame has to fall on Da Costa (and it did- he got demoted).

Since being knocked down the depth chart and having his minutes limited, the team has become much more successful. Why, then, should he get a promotion by default if we know that his weaknesses are crippling at the top six level?

I’m a huge Da Costa fan, but I think he needs Bingo time.

by LeTigre on Oct 27, 2011 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

So what do you suggest?

Because we need someone to play second-line centre. If you’re so dead set against Da Costa, who do you think should play that spot tonight?

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by AlfieGirl on Oct 27, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Hoffman looked pretty special during camp

He’s got all the tools and can outskate Da Costa to boot.

He stuck around till the end of camp, meaning MacLean was stoked.

There’s a glaring need for an offensive centre to fill in for Regin. Hoffman for Prez!

by LeTigre on Oct 27, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well let's just agree to disagree

As much as Da Costa has struggled, I think he deserves another shot on the second line. A kid who plays such a creative game isn’t going to thrive on the fourth line with limited minutes, so now that the spot’s open I want to see if he’s learned something from his temporary demotion.

That makes a lot more sense to me than calling up a 2009 draft who has yet to play in the NHL and who played a few games in Elmira last season.

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by AlfieGirl on Oct 27, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you're selling Hoffman a LITTLE short

He led the QMJHL in scoring, and was instrumental in the Calder Cup championship with Bingo.
 
The way you present his resume makes it look like we own his rights for no reason. He’s probably the most under the radar, potentially elite prospect Ottawa has.

by LeTigre on Oct 27, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying no reason

I just think it’s premature to assume he’s ready to be our second line centre because he had a good training camp. So did Zibanejad and Da Costa.

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by AlfieGirl on Oct 27, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well now,

You put words in my mouth. I never said Hoffman was definitively ready for the second line centre position.

You asked for a suggestion in response to my assertion that Da Costa needs some seasoning in Bingo. I responded with Hoffman as my suggestion.

by LeTigre on Oct 27, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I specifically asked for a second line centre suggestion for tonight

Anyway, truce. We’ve agreed to disagree so we should probably stop bickering.

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by AlfieGirl on Oct 27, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

as far as tonight is concerned

i really don’t think there’s much debate… da costa will be in, alfie will be back and rooster will stay up.. at least that’s what i’d think

by Caden on Oct 27, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

in fact

Colin Greening-Jason Spezza-Milan Michalek

Nick Foligno-Stephane Da Costa-Daniel Alfredsson

Erik Condra-Zack Smith-Chris Neil

Jesse Winchester-Zenon Konopka-Kaspars Daugavins

via garrioch: http://www.ottawasun.com/2011/10/27/da-cost-centre-of-attention

by Caden on Oct 27, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

by the way

Hoffmann was also the QMJHL MVP in 2009.

by west-sider on Oct 27, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know who else has won that award?

Brad Richards, Sean Coutorier, Sidney Crosby and Mario Lemieux!

by The Tif on Oct 27, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s Crosby isn’t it!

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by Adnan on Oct 28, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

that doesnt matter

the only thing that matters to this club is developing players. Send Z back, put Da Costa in bingo and don’t even talk about Hoffman…..let them all develop.

Develop develop developdevelop develop develop develop develop!

Go luck yourself.

by ottawachiefsfan on Oct 27, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are some issues with causation here

Let’s be honest, the team has become much more successful because the schedule got a lot easier.

I’m not averse to sending him to Bingo if he needs, it, but I think we need to be careful about drawing too many inferences from the team performance after his demotion.

by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 27, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s the internet; I’ll be as careful and/or as reckless as I wannabe with my anonymous and purely speculative observations.

I think Da Costa (and his subpar skating and lack of positioning) were targeted and subsequently dominated by stronger opponents’ second lines.

His line alone was on the ice for more even strength goals against during the first few games than most other teams allowed entirely.

by LeTigre on Oct 27, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well said.

Both regarding your anonymity and the little prince.

by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 27, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

now we party like it's 1992!!!!

(maybe like late august 1992… conceive a few zibabyjads of our own)

by Caden on Oct 27, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Back at square one

Nice article Mark. It’s pretty clear that the 2nd line center debate will go on until someone shows up consistently producing as a 2nd line center. For now we are back at square one, and most of the options you mentioned will probably be tried… except Corey Locke.

Regin appeared to be ready for the job, and now it’s another injury to rehab. This is Da Costa’s and Butler’s golden opportunity to grab more ice time.

by Marvellous on Oct 27, 2011 12:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Peter Regin - out 6 - 8 weeks

There was a par of news post on danish TV2sport.dk
first that injures on Peters shoulder was not the same as in the spring.
They first soft shoulder, like it just falling out. It sound like tendons or ligaments.
Broken bones, without damage on the tendons and ligament, is 1 to 3 weeks.

But tendons fibers actually take much longer to grow proper together.

The lastes new on TV2sport.dk, also say 6 to 8 weeks. I would guess something with tendons.
But to break bones without damaging the tendons, well ti do of cause happens from time to ime.

here is a link

by JanMath on Oct 27, 2011 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

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