Silver Nuggets: First six games by some very depressing numbers
by Adnan on Oct 20, 2011 1:00 PM EDT
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Last time, I wrote about how good can the Senators defence can be. Then a few hours later the Senators lost 7-2. In my defence, I was asking about how good can the defence be in the future, and the 7 goals were more on goaltending than defence.
So maybe if I talk about some of the bad things, we'll win tonight. Let's look at the Senators numbers after the first six games:
The good
- Erik Karlsson has 1 goal and 7 assists after 6 games. That's first among all defencemen and third among all players behind Phil Kessel and Anze Kopitar. The Senators have scored 15 goals and Karlsson has 8 points. That's 53% of the Senators offence. Our special little guy even has more hits than Zack Smith and Chris Phillips.
- The power play is still seventh in the league at 24%.
- Milan Michalek is 7th in the NHL with 21 shots. He's been the best forward so far on Ottawa.
- The Senators have trailed by at least two goals at some point in every game.
- The penalty kill is 64.5%.
- The Senators have trailed after the first, and the second period in every game.
- Ottawa has allowed five or more goals in four of their six games.
- The club has allowed five goals a game on average. If they allow four goals tonight, that number will actually improve!
- Our boys have lost the last two home games by a combined score of 14-3.
- The Senators penalty kill has allowed five more goals than anyone else. In fact, nine teams have allowed less total goals than the Senators have allowed just while shorthanded.
- Having played 365 minutes of hockey so far, the Senators have lead for just 2:59 of those, been tied for 74:51 and losing for 287:10. Percentage wise, Ottawa has led 0.8% of the time, been tied 20.5% of the time and trailed 78.7% of the time.
After the jump, tonight's lines, Sergei Gonchar, Jesse Winchester and Craig Anderson return, Filatov speaks about Binghamton, and ten reasons to cheer up about the Senators.
Tonight's game
- Lines were swapped all over. Mika Zibanejad moves back to centre while Stéphane Da Costa is relegated to the fourth line. Jesse Winchester could return in the place of Zenon Konopka. 1) Greening-Spezza-Michalek, 2) Foligno-Regin-Alfredsson, 3) Smith-Zibanejad-Neil, 4) Winchester-Da Costa-Condra. (Brent Wallace)
- Sergei Gonchar and Craig Anderson will return. Bobby Butler has been placed on injured reserve. (Sylvain St-Laurent)
- With Gonchar's return, the defence is as follows: 1) Kuba-Karlsson, 2) Gonchar-Cowen, 3) Phillips-Rundblad. (Sylvain St-Laurent)
- Game preview. (Senators Extra)
- Everyone predicts a win tonight on the panel. Peter went with 3-1 Ottawa. (Senators Extra)
- The Jets SBN blog however, predicts 5-1 for Winnipeg. (Arctic Ice Hockey)
- Nikita Filatov has been pleased with his first week in Binghamton. Kurt Kleinendorst has been happy with Filatov's play. I don't know if Filatov will be back in time to play his old club Columbus on Saturday, but he should hopefully be back for the game at home to Florida next week, which will be game #10. (Press & Sun-Bulletin)
- Alex Auld refused to speak with the media on Tuesday before the game. I can see this becoming an issue with some of Ottawa's esteemed media. (Ottawa Sun)
- Tim Baines, Bruce Garrioch and Don Brennan get their take on the Gonchar booing. Garrioch is actually against it! (Ottawa Sun)
- Sergei Gonchar admits the booing bothered him, but adds the only thing he can do is play better. If nothing else, the power play should at least get a boost. (Ottawa Citizen)
- If some of my comments in the opening were too depressing, here are ten reasons to cheer up about the Senators. Though, I am not sure if saving money by not having to go to playoff games makes me feel better. (Ottawa Citizen)
- Paul MacLean thinks Mika Zibanejad is an NHL player right now but that the club will do what is best for Zibanejad. James Gordon thinks this means MacLean would like to keep Zibanejad but Bryan Murray isn't sure. (Senators Extra)
- For anyone interested in going to the game tonight against the Jets, AlfieGirl has two tickets for sale at a discounted price. Click here for details.
- How important is winning an offensive zone face-off? Turns out, not very important. If a team wins 55.5% of even-strength face-offs all season, it will be worth two points in the standings. On the power play, a team needs to win 60.3% of offensive zone face-offs all season for it to translate to one win. The Vancouver Canucks led the NHL with 54.9% last year. What this means to me, it's nice to win face-offs, but overvaluing a face-off specialist is not worth it for a player who only takes a portion of a team's face-offs. (Arctic Ice Hockey)
- Joffrey Lupul broke the net camera with this shot. Thanks to The Tif for the link. (NESN)
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Great Nuggets today, Adnan
Those are some very, very depressing numbers, particularly that the Senators have only been leading for 0.8% of the time.
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He did neglect to post these numbers, which were mentioned in the thread yesterday. Guess we’ll see if it was just the competition or if the Sens are really that bad tonight against the Jets.
by modsuperstar on Oct 20, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't there a brief moment when we were ahead against Minnesota?
Or did I make that up?
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Nope, they trailed the whole way and only lead after winning the shootout.
by modsuperstar on Oct 20, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, great nuggets...
although i was hoping the 10 reasons to be optimistic were going to be a little less depressing :(
I didn't like that article
A bit too sarcastic for me. People leaving the game with half a period left is not something to celebrate.
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Konopka is out tonight
According to @NHL_Sens.
I guess none of the Jets players need a hug.
No Konopka?
I guess we’re putting our skill team out there, tonight…
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by Speedy_McEachern on Oct 20, 2011 1:22 PM EDT reply actions
I don't know what to expect tonight. I'm not anticipating either team will play well.
I guess whoever sucks less will get the W?
I don't know
We’ll see. When they screwed the pooch against Colorado, they followed it up with a really hard-fought game against Washington. Maybe they’ll repeat tonight?
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Hold up, your math is off
The Senators have scored 15 goals and Karlsson has 8 points. That’s 53% of the Senators offence.
Assuming a full 3 points on our 15 goals, that’s just under 18% of our offense. Even being generous and assuming an average 2 points per goal, that’s under 27%.
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I think it's his English that is off.
The correct version would be:
The Senators have scored 15 goals and Karlsson has 8 points. That means he has been a part of 53% of the Senators offence.
Yeah, there's probably a better way to phrase it
Like what Darren suggested below.
Nope, I think my wording and math is both correct. The rest is just interpretation. ;)
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Yeah, but Karlsson's 8 points do not amount to 53% of our offence.
So either the math or the wording are wrong. What you said is not what Adnan said, it’s what people have suggested to correct him.
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Are you kidding me?
By definition, one player can never get more than one point on a goal. So to divide Karlsson’s points by the total number of points scored by all Senators is totally meaningless.
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Go to your corners.
Adnan said he was responsible for 53% of the offence. by scoring 8 points. That is clearly wrong – Sorry Adnan – in that his points include goals and assists, while total offence is only measured in goals in Adnan’s statement, so apples and oranges.
I think that is Alfie Girl’s point. DW19 is simply rephrasing B_T’s point, which is that by either scoring or assisting, Kid Karlsson has been in on 53% of the goals. I think that is an accurate way of phrasing it.
Fair enough!
While I disagree, I am kind of flattered my words are being microanalysed that much. ;)
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You disagree that we should consider that 7 of Karlsson's points were assists
Seriously. This is not a debate. What you originally wrote is blatantly wrong.
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I think that just goes to show how much people enjoy and how seriously they take the Nuggets.
I greatly appreciate them, anyway.
by daubs on Oct 20, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Being involved in 53% of the offense
Does not mean Karlsson contributed 53% of the offense, which is what the original sentence implies.
It’s “Contributed 53% of the offense” vs “Contributed to 53% of the offense”. Adding those 2 little letters very much changes the meaning of the phrase.
True, but it takes a certain level of pedantry to deliberately misunderstand a pretty obvious statement.
Are *you* kidding me?
The “pretty obvious” statement was this:
The Senators have scored 15 goals and Karlsson has 8 points. That’s 53% of the Senators offence.
It takes a certain level of stubbornness to deliberately ignore the fact that no one is saying that what Darren or B_T suggested as rewordings of the original statement are wrong. Just that what was originally written was wrong.
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Deliberately?
As it’s written, I certainly would interpret it as “Karlsson is 53% of our offence” on the first read.
I assume he's not actually reading what Adnan wrote
But rather what you wrote or what Darren wrote, both of which are actually true.
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Maybe I have just been sloppily written sports articles for a long time, but the intended meaning of Adnan’s statement seems pretty obvious. If you want to introduce a literal word-for-word interpretation then fine, but we are not talking about a legal text or a scientific journal here. No offense to the integrity of the “Silver Nuggets”, but this level of grammar parsing seems totally over the top.
Says the guy who used the word pedantry
As simply and clearly as I can put it, 8 points =/= 8 goals. 8 goals = 53% of our offense but that doesn’t mean that 8 points = 53%.
Saying “Karlsson has 8 points. That’s 53% of our offence” ignores completely the fact that 7 of the 8 goals (aka 47 of that 53%) were scored by other players.
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I am sure you saw the play recently where Karlsson sent a guy in on a clean breakaway and he missed. Personally, I seriously question how many goals the Senators would have scored by now without Karlsson in the line-up. To say it would be eight fewer does not seem at all unreasonable.
I was going to make this argument, too
The fact is, though, that Darren’s point about a mathematical flaw in this reasoning is true.
If you grant the assumption that none of the eight goals would have happened without Karlsson’s input, then he was responsible for over 53% of the team’s offence, but that’s a pretty tricky argument to maintain.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 20, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously. You are having an argument that is totally different from everyone else.
No one is arguing that we would have scored all of those goals without him. You win on that point. Stop repeating it.
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It's not "grammar parsing"
It’s “reading what was written”.
The statement, as written, was false.
Initially thinking it’s a factual error (as AlfieGirl did) is just as valid as initially thinking it’s a grammatical error and mentally re-writing it.
given it would be impossible for Karlsson to have more than one point on any goal
you guys are all full of it in criticising Adnan for his statement. The spirit of what he’s saying is pretty clear. To start in on the wording would be somehow presuming the number could work out that he’d be in on more than 100% of the Sens offense.
What does offend me is the “Special Little Guy” stuff. It makes me think of a parent who can’t use the right word for male genitalia in front of their kids. And Karlsson is no penis!
When's the Game Thread going up?
This thread is getting out of hand…
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by Speedy_McEachern on Oct 20, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well no, it doesn't make me wrong
Some people think the spirit was clear. Fair enough. That’s their opinion. But trying to present it as fact, with statements like “that makes you wrong” or that the the original statement was being deliberately misunderstood is downright insulting to those who believe that the spirit was not properly conveyed. Delivered “with all due respect” or not.
But it comes down to this:
If it were actually clear to everyone (or even almost everyone), we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
Truth.
Saying “with all due respect” doesn’t excuse being disrespectful. It just makes the person to whom you’re speaking more likely to interpret you as disrespectful.
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Let's go with the British route
And call you “My Right Honourable Friend Mrs AlfieGirl”
by The Tif on Oct 20, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
sorry
next time i’ll include a smiley face to indicate humour was intended.
is it just me or are we getting a little tense around here?
It can get tense sometimes
That’s why we occasionally need someone to snap us back with humour or whatever. Everyone is capable of losing ourselves in the heat of the argument and its good of you to say sorry and qualify yourself.
by whatsinaname on Oct 20, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Well the spirit was
It’s just that the wording doesn’t reflect the spirit. I think a bare reading actually says something different than what Adnan intended, and that’s the problem.
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Lol
Yes at least we can all agree that Karlsson is not a penis. But Adnan didn’t come up with Special Little Guy, so you can’t blame him.
Personally, I think it just sounds a bit demeaning. Like special should be in quotation marks.
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It’s not open to interpretation.
Correct. If he has been involved in 53% of the goals the Senators have scored then he has been involved in 53% of the offence. What is “offense” if it is not “goals scored”?
I'm not saying offense is not goals scored
I’m saying that attributing 53% of our offense to Karlsson because he has 8 points ignores all of the other players who also contributed to those 8 goals because Karlsson didn’t singlehandedly score them all. Ignoring for a second the fact that other players undoubtedly had assists in at least some of those 8 goals, 7 of those 8 would not have happened without the other people who ACTUALLY SCORED THE GOALS.
Those 8 goals represent somewhere between 8 and 24 points, so saying that 8 points is 53% of our 15 goals so far is wrong and no that is not open to interpretation.
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AlfieGirl is right. Saying that Karlsson is 53% of the Senators’ offense creates a conundrum where, if we add up all the percentages of Senators’ offense in the same manner (such as “Michalek has 6 points, and that’s 40% of the Senators’ offense”), we will arrive at a number greater than 100%. This is mathematically impossible.
I know what Adnan meant — that Karlsson has contributed to the majority of the Senators’ goals — but technically speaking, AlfieGirl is correct.
This concludes today’s lesson from Darren Nye, the Mathematics Guy.
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If you want to consider the other players’ contribution to Karlsson’s success then I think it is fair to look at it the other way around. How many points would the other players on the team have if not for Karlsson’s contributions? You could argue that the rest of the team would have as many as 16 fewer points if not for the 8 goals that Karlsson has been involved with.
As a fun mathematical exercise you could take all the points that were accumulated on goals that Karlsson contributed to away from the total number of points that the Senators currently have. Using the premise that without Karlsson being on the team those goals would not have happened, you could then calculate how well the offense would be doing in that hypothetical scenario compared to how well it is actually doing.
These permutation could go on forever….or you could just give Adnan the benefit of the doubt on his slightly sloppy wording (or PATENTLY FALSE WORDING, if you prefer).
I'm not saying he didn't contribute
I’m just saying we can’t attribute 100% of a goal to a player just because he had one of the assists on it. If you disagree, then I don’t even know how to debate this with you.
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Sure, but what does it even mean to “attribute 100% of a goal”? A guy who screens the goalie might not even get an assist, but I am sure you “attribute 20% of a goal” to him.
If Karlsson wasn’t on the team would they have scored any of the goals that he was a part of?
You're having an entirely separate discussion from what everyone else was saying, now.
No one’s saying Karlsson isn’t a valuable contribution. We’re just saying it’s untrue to say that Karlsson IS 53% of our offense because 87.5% of that 53% or 47% of the total is goals scored by someone else.
No one’s saying that those 7 goals would still have been scored without him – given that he got the assist on them I’d say that’s also wrong. But it’s equally wrong to say that those 7 goals were because of Karlsson and only Karlsson, and that’s what I (and everyone else who’s weighed in except you and Adnan) get from “Karlsson has 8 points. That’s 53% of our offence.”
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I thoroughly enjoyed reading (then scimming through that)
“The Senators have scored 15 goals and Karlsson has 8 points. That’s 53% of the Senators offence.”
I’m no English professor, but couldn’t the ‘That’ in the second sentence be referring to the goals attributed to Karlsson’s points. So it would be read “That (8 goals) is 53% of the Senators Offense”
For example, it would be like saying “the teacher counted 8 hands, half the class was accounted for” Sure, a hand is only a 10th of a person (scientific fact) but you still count the whole person. Another important distinction is a goal is as seperate from a goal scorer as the assister – so if he scored 8 goals would it be legit?
Maybe someone brought that up, I have no idea why I posted such a silly remark.
by BD Rebuilders on Oct 20, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It could be, yes
But it would be doing so in a vague manner that lends itself to misinterpretation and results in long, drawn out debates like this one.
Maybe
If 8 goals had been mentioned anywhere, but points and goals are not the same.
And yes, if it was “The Senators have scored 15 goals, and Karlsson has scored 8 of them. That’s 53% of the Senators offence” then it would be true. And very different from what was actually written. It could also have said “The Senators have scored 15 goals and Karlsson has been involved in 8 of them. That’s 53% of the Senators offence” and it would have been true.
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ok my regular account isn't working
but it’s Caden… annnd here’s fact: adnan was not “wrong” in what he wrote. in terms of pure semantics, at worst, he was ambiguous. ambiguity is not wrong, but it’s not wrong (ha! see what i did there?). he put two points together and related it with a statistic: karlsson has 8 points. ottawa has 15 goals. “THAT’S” 53% of the offense. the statistic is obviously associating the 8/15. while he doesn’t clarify what the statistic represents, it is clearly implied that karlsson is responsible for 53% of the offense. this is in fact true. that’s why there are assists: the goal only happens because of the passes beforehand. that’s not to say that we wouldn’t have otherwise scored goals without him, but the fact is karlsson in some fashion produced 53% of the offense. the offense is 15 goals. it doesn’t matter how many points are associated with it. 8 out of the 15 goals are directly correlated with karlsson. therefore, while ambiguous, it is not wrong. fact.
I agree with bah - Poorly worded but technically not a mistake
A goal is an action by the puck, the scorer and assister have the same relation to the action in that they are causing it (directly/indirectly) as a 3rd party. So whether he is the scorer or assister shouldn’t matter from a grammatical standpoint.
Also, points and goals aren’t the same, but are highly related. A point in this sense is a direct reference to a goal. Therefore, “That” is referencing “points” which inherently references a goal. So we could easily infer that the 8 is goals.
My deepest apologies for continuing this conversation
by BD Rebuilders on Oct 20, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd for same reason
which unfortunately may have underminded the whole notion of supporting that last sentence…
You also wrote Gonchar and Anderson return
The Nuggets are full of mistakes!
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Anderson never left
I’m pretty sure you mean Winchester. You know, the one playing his first NHL game of the season. Not the goalie who played 2/3 of our last game.
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I think you are just being petty now
Anderson didn’t start the last game, he is starting tonight.
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I think you're being stubborn and pretending that you didn't actually mean Winchester.
Andy was the last goalie to play in our net so he’s not returning from anything, and even if he was you still forgot to mention Winchester’s return which is the biggest deal since he hasn’t played yet this season.
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Lines were swapped all over. Mika Zibanejad moves back to centre while Stéphane Da Costa is relegated to the fourth line. Jesse Winchester could return in the place of Zenon Konopka. 1) Greening-Spezza-Michalek, 2) Foligno-Regin-Alfredsson, 3) Smith-Zibanejad-Neil, 4) Winchester-Da Costa-Condra. (Brent Wallace)
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Yeah I meant when you were talking about people returning, though
Instead of being argumentative, you could just add Winchester to the sentence before the jump.
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i like the idea of trying z-bad on that line
but not so sure about the slick-passing da costa on the 4th. i think i’d rather see him sit (for who though, not so sure).
Anyway, i though z-bad was supposed to be our future power-forward. I don’t think i’ve seen too much body banging from him. hopefully he’ll be inspired by his line-mates.
Yeah, that line just isn't it a fourth line
I’m going to call it our other second line from now on.
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Winchester-Da Costa-Condra?
It’s an NHL line. Kind of a Frankenline and maybe not an NHL second line, but solidly an NHL line.
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Looks like a chemistry experiment
I think a lot of the lines we have seen so far have been MacLean’s attempts to find players that click with each other. This line might make more sense with Butler on RW, but he is injured.
Yeah, and it's true
I’m not about to quibble over whether we should say contributed to vs. was involved in vs. played a part of etc etc. Something along any of those lines. More than half of the time, Karlsson is enough a part of it that the NHL gives him a point, which is impressive (or depressing in terms of everyone else’s output).
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IMPORTANT QUESTION
Can anyone tell me where they sell the eggrolls at the rink? I want to get an eggroll tonight. This is serious, guys.
Oh Captain, my Captain!
They sell the eggrolls at Burger Shack?
Also I heard that Burger Shack is terrible.
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I had a burger and fries from them last week.
Wasn’t the Works or anything, but wasn’t bad.
by sensory_experience on Oct 20, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
Strangely, they also sell egg rolls. I guess “The Burger and Egg Roll Shack” was too long a name.
That said, there is also a Golden Palace location now, I believe.
I had never heard of this place, but apparently their egg rolls are “famous”. The Senators organization said so.
by sensory_experience on Oct 20, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
No problemo!
Have fun at the game. I’ll be watching this one on TV.
by sensory_experience on Oct 20, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait one more question:
Where is the Burger Shack? Where that crappy bar used to be by the Lone Star?
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There may be multiple locations
But yeah, at least one of them is in one of those food court-y clusters, next to the chicken, pizza, and other joints.
by sensory_experience on Oct 20, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
BAM!
http://www.scotiabankplace.com/en/default.asp?scotiabankplace=38
Burger Shack
Choose from a variety of mouthwatering treats: Burgers, gourmet hot dogs and fries. Egg rolls now available! 200 level – sections 206 and 224.
Golden Palace
Famous egg rolls served with home made plum sauce. 100 level – section 107 & 113. Golden Palace egg rolls also now available in the 200 level – sections 206 and 224 (Burger Shack).
by sensory_experience on Oct 20, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Egg Rools
egg rolls are egg rolls, but for egg rolls, they’re pretty good egg rolls.
There that should aggregate a few Google searches for egg rolls to here, right?
I disagree
There are good eggrolls and there are bad eggrolls. The place near me, for instance, has crappy eggrolls – they’re greasier than they should be and the inside is spongier than usual. Not all eggrolls are created equal!
Eggrolls eggrolls eggrolls. I want to make sure google also sends people here if they spell eggroll as all one word.
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Bases covered then, including Egg Rools :-/
If the egg rolls at the Piggy Bank are as good as the eggrolls that actually come fromGolden Palace, then you should be pleased.
Deep Breaths
Well, so much for my earlier thoughts on how we could only improve on our 3.9 GAA.
However, as I believe i have remarked before, settled teams know within 20 games of the start – barring significant injuries etc… – but I think it will take us those 20 not only to size up available talent, but to also coem together under a new coaching staff. I would assess our overall health on the second 20.
:) you care, you really really care.
Good pick up; I meant to say that they know pretty much whether what they thought they had as a team is what they actually have.
Anybody else notice that Peter's prediction record is the exact opposite of the Sens record?
If this trend continues, he needs to predict more losses.
Dammit, another variable!
In between AlfieGirl going to the games, the red spandex girls going to games, and Peter predicting losses, I have no idea what is causing the Sens to win. We need a better control group.
Peter, AlfieGirl and the spandex chicks are going to the game tonight. I need you to predict a win, and then if they DO win, we’ll know you’re not the cause.
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by Speedy_McEachern on Oct 20, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Who are those red spandex girls?
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 20, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t see you them walk by us as we were waiting by Sens Store?
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They were pretty hard to miss...
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by Speedy_McEachern on Oct 20, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Peter must have been VERY focused on the game.
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by Speedy_McEachern on Oct 20, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw them
They were sitting just a section over from us! I just want to know who they are, and where this idea came from, and why the Senators are wasting their idea on a “cheer squad” when they could just give that group free tickets. They deserve it, in my mind.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 20, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Because they were getting people going
Not just because they were fit, young women wearing spandex bodysuits, but because they were up during every stoppage in play, they were waving towels… they were contributing to the experience.
I realize that may sound chauvinistic, but I mean it in much the same way that Spartacat contributes to the entertainment experience, or that guy walking up and down the stairs with the big drum, or the guys who “sing” songs by Journey and Rebecca Black (although way less lame than those two).
I was just impressed by their interest in showing their support for the Senators. There was obviously a lot of thought and time spent getting ready for the game.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 20, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we talking the "body glove" style that covers the head too?
Cause the best comparison at that point might be the green men in Vancouver.
No, it's not
Their faces are fully visible. And it’s much more flattering to the female figure than the male one.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 20, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
No it's a fair point
But I’d be a lot more willing to give them free stuff for it if we weren’t like the 15th team in the NHL to jump on that bandwagon. I’d much rather give free tickets to the lipsyncing guys. At least they’re original.
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Originality isn't enough on it's own
And I’ll give the free stuff to the people with the effective, unoriginal idea over the people with the ineffective, original idea.
I haven't seen it being very effective
But the lip syncing guys always get people cheering!
Anyway we can all agree that more cheering is needed.
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They do give free tickets to the lip syncing guys, I’m pretty sure. That’s why I think it makes sense to give some to these women, who contribute more than the lip syncing guys. That’s just a cheap laugh; these women get people cheering, they don’t just keep us awake during TV timeouts.
Are there other teams that have bodysuit women? I honestly had no idea.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 20, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
i went to school with them
and they are going to be at the game tonight with free tickets. they got the morph suits for carleton to cheer for the ravens (whose colour is also red) annnd actually half of them aren’t really sens fans.. BUT they love hockey, cheering, and attention… and yes, they are very good for SBP. they all work at bars n stuff tho so while they have now been offered free tickets to every game they likely won’t make most of them
Well they didn't, really last night
But they were better than the guy in a green body suit (what?) who made a jerking off gesture when they put him on the jumbotron during one of those giveaways for spirited fans.
Oh Captain, my Captain!
I wonder why someone dresses in a green bodysuit if they’re just going to make an obscene gesture when they’re put on the screen.
Sounds like a narcissist.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 21, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Well he was cheering earlier and with a dude in a red bodysuit
But then he apparently thought the best way to win a Timmy’s gift card was to be a jackass.
Not that we should be surprised, I guess. Green is not one of the colours of either teams, so a guy who’s wearing a green bodysuit for the hell of it is probably an attention-seeking jerk.
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•Tim Baines, Bruce Garrioch and Don Brennan get their take on the Gonchar booing. Garrioch is actually against it!
He just doesn’t like the competition.
De Costa
I admittedly haven’t been able to watch much of the past couple of games, but it seemed early on as if De Costa was holding his own. Is there a reason he was pushed to the 4th line (i.e., a performance-based reason), or is it just a result of a numbers game with Winchester returning (or some combination thereof)?
So they are.
Let’s pretend I actually read the lines and ignore the “with Winchester returning” part then.
He's been pretty bad in the last few games
His level has definitely slipped from the start of the season.
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MacLean's upset with his lack of attention to the defensive part of the game, I think.
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Ah, thanks to you, too.
I appreciate the clarification. Something to watch for tonight.
Actually, it’ll be good to watch a full game again in general.
Prince
I get free tickets to all of the 67’s home games does anybody know when Shane prince is returning?
by fridgefullofmeat on Oct 20, 2011 2:16 PM EDT reply actions
Zibanejad: NHL player?
So here’s what I don’t get. If MacLean thinks Zibanejad is an “NHL player” (presumably implicit: now), why is he playing with Smith and Neil, with Regin getting his place on the 2nd line?
Is Zibanejad really a 3rd liner? That’s what we would keep him around for?
by sensory_experience on Oct 20, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions
I don't buy Maclean's comment
My take is that he’s ultimately an NHL player (as opposed to someone who’s going to be a lifer in Bingo), but any suggestion that he spends the season here I hope is just flattery to keep the fans interested and to keep Zibanejad happy.
Oh Captain, my Captain!
Hope so.
He’s got lots of potential but would be well served by another year in the SEL (or in the AHL).
by sensory_experience on Oct 20, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
You can think a player is ready for the NHL without thinking he's ready for the 1st or 2nd line
And expecting a player to be 1st or 2nd line material in their first full season is a little much – even on this year’s Sens roster.
Plus last I checked, regular 3rd and 4th line players are NHL players too.
Of course they are!
But Zibanejad is a top-6 style talent, and usually really young players aren’t kept around to be developed on the wrong lines, that’s all.
by sensory_experience on Oct 20, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. Though, Couturier is currently playing on the third line behind Giroux and Briere.
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No doubt.
There are examples. I just didn’t think it was the norm.
by sensory_experience on Oct 20, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Brian Murray said in TC
If he proves worthy of playing in the top 9 he’ll keep him for the year.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
Huh.
Interesting. Didn’t see that coming. I hope he has some bottom-6 trades in his pocket.
by sensory_experience on Oct 20, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
This is now the norm
Colin Wilson, Logan Couture, Cody Hodgson, Ryan Johansen, Jordan Staal (who has stayed there), Claude Giroux before last season). It seems like the only team that hasn’t embraced this is Edmonton, and I’d rather stay away from that model.
See example:
Boston Bruins – Tyler Seguin
Having a prospect play 3rd line centre for a season to get his feet wet isn’t too foreign a concept. Especially if there are two other centres outperforming him.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
I kinda see McLean's argument
So far Mika Z sometimes seems a bit lost on the ice. From the standpoint of performance, sometimes he shows flashes of NHL ready but mostly, he’s adjusting/learning. Consider the choices, to stay or SEL. Well, Not sure he’s going to learn to be NHL ready in Sweden. Since he is not expected to put up points in Ottawa right now but to learn the game, then lets do that. Z is an 18 y.o who is mature and a quick study and depending on communications between him and the coaches, its the right choice. He will learn and develop faster here (where the coaches and all the help is) than there. I think that’s what McLean told me two days ago over pizza and beer.
by whatsinaname on Oct 20, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Mika Z looks most lost on the wing
I am glad he is back at center he is by far a better center than winger im hoping for a big game from him tonight
Winchesters back
I forget was winch good on the pk? Or at least better than some of our current crop???
well, he played on the PK end of last year
and our PK ended pretty well. So good by association anyway.
I have no idea
I just remember that towards the end of the season, his effort level was excellent.
Oh Captain, my Captain!
all effort, no finish
I remember when he started he worked with Alfie to improve his work on the boards. I wish he had found someone to work on putting the puck in the net.
But still
He reminded me of Chris Kelly a lot: he may not always try well, but he was consistently trying so. damn. hard.
Kelly’s improved from there, too, so I’m happy with the resemblance. I really hope it continues. Not that I’m saying Winchester will turn into Chris Kelly very shortly, but that kind of consistently high effort level can only be a good thing.
Oh Captain, my Captain!
that explains it
he must have been working with “Hands of Stone” Kelly on goal scoring!
Agree though that he seems to be filling that role. No doubt he was one of the reasons Murray felt he could let Kelly go. He adds a certain amount of sandpaper to the line-up too that Kelly didnt have to the same degree.
Funny
I didn’t think he really started to resemble Kelly until after Kelly left. It’s interesting that you think the resemblance is part of why Murray was willing to trade Kelly.
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he's a solid checker
and with him and Shannon at the time, and Spezza being used for more PK, I think it meant we had emerging role players that made it possible to dangle Kelly out there.
it seems like he comments section today
has devolved into a giant debate over semantics and questionable wording
On a side note, that last post correcting my typo, was my 200th post!!
Sure its taken me since 2009 to get here (plus more time at the Sens Army Blog), but I like to think that I make up in quality what I lack in quantity (minus the posts about typos haha)
Anyway, seems like a good time to say thanks to everyone here at SS, I hope the good times keep rolling (although ideally with a few more wins)
Congrats!
The wide and lively participation on this blog is one of its best features. Sometimes threads devolve in strange directions, but we seem to move on without holding grudges which is great.
It’s truly the best part of the site.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 20, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
oh yeah adnan, forgot to say:
recently in one of the posts (recently being a few weeks ago) i made a remark saying that i don’t read the nuggets (you replied “ouch”), but with the new format, i always read them! so much better when you pick an article and start a discussion vs. listing and recapping articles (which is certainly useful and all but i typically read all those sites individually anyways). sooo yes! good job to you and those who chose to reformat the nuggets
Thanks man!
Most of our good ideas come from Peter, and this was no different.
That’s why we pay him the big bucks.
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I prefer the new format too.
The problem with the old way was, after reading the nuggets, i had know reason to read the articles (and then what am i supposed to do at work?!)
Great to hear people like it
I figured it would be a good way to kick off what has become a daily open discussion thread. I’m certainly happy with it so far!
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 20, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
fine, i'll put it out there anyways:
three ppl should rec every comment in that silly semantics argument so the entire block of it turns green
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