Senators lose 2-2 tie to Capitals 2-1
I ripped off Ryan Classic for this headline. Are we bitter? Yes, we are.
See, the Senators had an early first period powerplay goal by Jason Spezza waved off due to a unnecessarily strict interpretation of the rules of goaltender interference. With a ton of traffic in front of the net, Milan Michalek was touching thinly-veiled Sens Killer Tomas Vokoun, which means that the goal didn't count.
From there, the game started to take the sickening turn that Sens fans have seen through this early season. Washington got a nice powerplay goal from Nicklas Backstrom thanks to to a high-sticking call on Chris Neil and not four minutes later, Alex Auld let in a terribly soft goal on a Marcus Johansson wraparound attempt. 2-0 Caps with most of the first period remaining? The rout was on, right?
Wrong.
The Senators used the momentum from a strong penalty kill to get back in the game, with Peter Regin burying a sharp angle shot over a sprawled Vokoun with just 30 seconds left in the period to climb back within one.
From there, the Sens continued to build, outworking and outhitting the Capitals for the rest of the game, generating turnovers and scoring chances frequently. Over the final two periods, they outshot the Caps 26-12, but couldn't solve Vokoun, who turned in terrific save after terrific save.
(read on for Heroes and Zeroes...)
Sens Hero: Erik Karlsson
Though he was held pointless tonight, the kid was absolutely amazing. Karlsson demonstrated ridiculous vision and creativity all night, at one point centering a puck by intentionally banking it off the back boards, but that wasn't what earned him hero status for me--it was his defensive play. Let's be clear here: although he was a minus-one on the night, not only was Karlsson Ottawa's best offensive defenseman, he was their best defensive defenseman as well.
The box score will tell you that Alex Ovechkin was held pointless despite taking seven shots. What it won't tell you is that the defenseman who constantly stifled him was none other than Karlsson. Knowing he couldn't outmuscle the bigger player, Karlsson simply played smart angles. He wasn't scared to get physical, but he didn't try to separate the puck with hitting. It was not a mistake-free game for the youngster, but it was an outstanding performance.
Sens Hero: Milan Michalek
Michalek led all Senators forwards with just over twenty minutes of ice time in the game, and he earned it with his crazy-legged play. His speed was on full display, and once again, he helped his line generate chance after chance, especially late in the game when Daniel Alfredsson replaced Mika Zibanejad.
Sens Zero: Mika Zibanejad
Played the least time of any Senators skater who isn't a goon that isn't even winning the faceoffs he's supposed to or who wasn't injured blocking a shot, and deserved it. The kid just wasn't effective in the ice time that he got. Fans should remain confident that this is just part of the rookie growing pains, and not read too much into it. Zibanejad clearly has the tools to play in the NHL, but it takes time to learn.
Before we start calling for Nikita Filatov to replace him before the nine game audition ends, the Cocktail was held off the scoresheet following his three-point game last night. There's learning to be done there, too.
Honorable Mention: Filip Kuba
Partnered with Karlsson for most of the night, they don't seem to distrust each other like last year. Kuba is still Kuba, as he was strangely out of position on the Johansson wraparound goal, forcing Zack Smith to try to cover for him way, way too late--but no one is asking Kuba to be outstanding. He simply has to be good enough that he doesn't lose the game for the team. Tonight, like most of the season, he was exactly that.
Honorable Mention: David Rundblad
Improved his play in this game and recorded his first NHL assist on Regin's goal. Generated a killer scoring chance on his own with some absurd dangling that made me wet my pants in fear, and looked more engaged than in his previous outing. Much like Erik Karlsson last year, you can see that Rundblad understands the game just fine. The rest is just experience.
Sens Killer: Tomas Vokoun
33 saves on 34 shots. Not the weak perimeter chest-thumpers, either. Vokoun won this game for Washington. Period.
Ouch: Sergei Gonchar was the player injured blocking a shot. He was having a quality game before the injury.
Faceoff percentages:
Jason Spezza - 13 of 24 (.542)
Stephane Da Costa - 4 of 6 (.667)
Peter Regin - 8 of 12 (.667)
Zenon Konopka - 6 of 13 (.462)
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Not sure if you were continually referring to Vokoun as Varlamov on purpose.
Tonight saw their roles reversed once more, with Vokoun retaking his spot as the good one.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Oct 15, 2011 11:11 PM EDT reply actions
I wasn't
Thanks!
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 15, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s too bad Greg Sherman could not have employed the strikethrough coding.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Oct 15, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Stolen from Japer's Rink
I know I should want the Sens to tank, but I wish this one had gone in:

I’ve now watched this .gif one thousand times, and I still don’t see how Spezza threaded that needle.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Oct 15, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
it's an incredible pass
it just BARELY gets through that hole.
Then again, if one of their players got it, we’d be cursing Spezza for passing it right into traffic.
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by DarrenM on Oct 16, 2011 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
The safer play would have been back to Phillips.
With a minute and a half left in the game, I'm fine with the gamble
i want Spezza creating scoring chances, not playing it safe. He’s not paid for defense!
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 16, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly
and if you look at that close enough, i think Spezza had a better look there than it being “blind”. He was also backed-up defensively by Phillips and i think enough of the Washington players were committed in the same direction as Spezza to be able to turn that puck around that fast.
Maybe that’s over-analyzing and Spezza might have made that pass regardless BUT i would just hate that anyone take away from a play that is exactly the kind of creative display we want Spezza to put on for us every night.
Truthfully, I think the Alfie of four years ago DOES bury that
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 16, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Judging from the post-game
Alfie also thinks that the Alfie of four years ago buries that. Alfie thinks the Alfie of today should have buried it and doesn’t really know why he didn’t get it up (his words).
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True
And if it’d been a d-man with offensive power, it might have been a different choice. A shot from the point with that much traffic can be hard to stop.
Very true
I don’t know if Spezza’s mind works like that, though. :)
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 16, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
not sure alfie was ready for the pass to snake through semin’s skates there. don’t blame him; it was a mario-like feed.
Alfie is obviously looking for the return pass
But I think you’re right. Based on his stick, it looks like he was expecting it to come in front of Semin.
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 16, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree on Zibanejad
I didn’t notice him doing anything at all tonight. We’ve got three home games left and then game #9 is at Carolina. MacLean has already said he will play up to game 9 though.
I can’t help but think he’s gotten a lot worse since being moved to the wing.
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Which doesn't surprise me
But he’s being outplayed by Da Costa and Regin, so what are you going to do?
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 15, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Benching Zibanejad more than every other game is also an option.
Save his 9th game for after Iran Sweden wins the bronze medal in January.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Oct 15, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
What doesn’t work that way? The slide rule?
Sure it does.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Oct 16, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Isn't it how many games he's on our roster and not how many he dresses?
Also I’d much prefer they send him back early rather than bench him. It’s just going to crush his confidence to bench him.
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How many he dresses for is what I’ve read.
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by red army line on Oct 17, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I have been very pleased with Regin since he came back
I would send Zibanejad back right now and bring back Filatov. But that’s me. ;)
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I don’t see a need to just keep him here for 4 more games when he isn’t doing anything. Or at least move him to centre, but then I don’t know who you move to make room.
The moving him to the wing kind of seems to me they know Da Costa and Regin are better right now, but they want to give him 9 games just for the hell of it.
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I agree with part of that
But not the “for the hell of it” part. He’s getting the benefits of NHL playing time and all that comes with it, which we know Robin Lehner’s Dad’s Son thinks is invaluable.
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 16, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
But really isn’t that what the Sens would want? I personally would rather see DaCosta and Regin win their spots rather then be the guys that get acclaimed to their positions just because of a contract snafu. As much as I wish Z-Bad well, the reality is that the Sens would be forced to make some difficult decisions if he did make the team this year. I know I’d love to see Regin grab the second line position by the balls, mainly because he has a few years under his belt and should be the guy filling that position for the team.
by modsuperstar on Oct 16, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
You'd hope it's what the Sens want, right?
Like when Karlsson played so well in camp three years ago that they didn’t have a choice but to keep him and it ruined Brian Lee’s day. There are no negatives about Da Costa or Regin developing into full-time NHL players.
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 16, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
the real hand gets forced when Winchester comes back, no?
i mean it seems automatic that Filatov would come back when Mika’s 9 games are up but what then with Winchester?
Well, I think Winchester's a bottom-six guy
I have to think the Sens would rather have Filatov in the lineup than Winchester. My expectation is that the scratches alternate between Konopka and Winchester at that point.
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 16, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Different types of players
I love Winchester but he’s a bottom 6 guy. Zibanejad and Filatov both play with too much finesse to throw them in the bottom 6.
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little old to comment on this but
i guess i was thinking more that other guys who are liable to get shuffled down the line-up (Foligno, maybe Regin, etc.) are where the issue gets created but i think i agree that it’s going to be a Winch/Konopka trade-off – high tempo teams vs. truculent teams being the dictating factor.
But they're not being acclaimed. They have won their spots.
So I don’t really see what your point is.
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That’s exactly it. Actually earning your spot vs a Kuba/Gonchar type scenario where they may play like crap, but they’ve got a big money contract, so they’re in the lineup regardless. At this point in time is Z-Bad seized the roster spot, it just puts the Sens in an awkward position. He’s 18 and they really don’t per say need him in the NHL this year. I’d understand if we had an extra spot at centre, but given we have Spezza/Regin/DaCosta/Winchester/Kenopka all signed this year, something would have to give.
The part with ZBad is that he didn’t dominate the SEL. He showed some skill playing against older/stronger competition, but he didn’t dominate. Let him dominate the SEL, then the World Jrs and then maybe get a shot on the World Championships team too. There’s plenty of high level hockey for him to play this year at 18 years old. The Sens are probably going to the same place with or without him this year, so I see little need to burn a year of his ELC for nothing.
by modsuperstar on Oct 16, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don’t feel like Kuba has played like crap at all.
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Me either
Neither of them are playing to our expectations, but Kuba seems to be rebounding from last season and Gonchar even seems to be figuring it out. Besides, we’ll never trade either of them at the deadline if we sit them for long stretches until then.
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Maybe we have a different definition of "dominate"
But I don’t think Zibanejad will ever really dominate the SEL – or much else for that matter. He’s obviously talented, but he’s too much of a skill and finesse player and not gritty enough to dominate the way I think of the word.
And seriously, is anyone actually talking about burning a year of his contract? Because I’m pretty sure that’s been off the table for a while and the real question now is whether we keep him all 9 or send him back a bit early.
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I wouldn't say it's been off the table for "awhile"
Maybe since last Saturday.
Well that makes 3 games
And regardless of comments to the media, I question whether it was really on the table at the beginning of the season.
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I think it was on the table
But as an option, and definitely not as an expected outcome.
That's my read as well
If he proved he could play against NHL competition as an 18-year old, great. If he didn’t, no big deal.
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Rundblad had a great game
I think he’ll be sticking around.
by Chuck Wood on Oct 16, 2011 12:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
He's magical
And he wears #7.
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Ha
Mean Girls mentioned “Magic Number Seven” ?
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I just didn’t get your reference.
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That's why I put my reference in the subject line.
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It's happening
IT’S HAPPENING.
I mean… I will readily admit it can’t be his go-to nickname (too long), but it’s a fun one nonetheless. I haven’t found a go-to nickname for him yet… MechaKarlsson doesn’t do it for me.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 18, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Also on Karlsson
Even though he was great on defence tonight, there is nothing left for him to prove on that regard.
MAKE HIM A FORWARD!
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I’m happy for him. Elliott deserves success and was a pretty serviceable goalie for us for a couple of years before the wheels came off last year. It was pretty obvious his confidence was absolutely shot last year, so if he can get that back I see no reason he can’t have a prolonged NHL career as a backup.
by modsuperstar on Oct 16, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Good for him
It’s his inability to do that consistently that frustrated me, and makes him a backup in my eyes.
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 16, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
the experiment of gonchar mentoring kidd karlsson is done.
- has found his role as a offensive puck handling d-man. pair him with solid stay at home#2
by spezzasbrother on Oct 16, 2011 7:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
sorry, let me retract and re-edit. kid karlsson has found his role as an offensive puck handling d-man, let him run the gamut for the time being. it can’t get any worse. as well as, pair him with jared cowan, #2 is a stay at home puck-moving shut down d-man. get them on the same line, get them knowing each other they will be, scratch that, THEY ARE the future of this franchise. no offense to phillips/kuba, but how much can you take before you realize that, yes, you do suck. no heart, no talent but, at least your getting paid and getting good minutes. maybe I shouldn’t put phillips’ name, he does show flashes of consistency. but at least lower his minutes and use him in situations where his strengths are. which are?
by spezzasbrother on Oct 16, 2011 7:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think Phillips or Kuba "suck", have "no heart" or "no talent"
Especially not last night.
It sounds to me like you’re locked in to hating those players blindly regardless of their actual on-ice performance. You’re not going to find a lot of support for that way of thinking on this site.
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 16, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m far from locked into hating them, maybe was to harsh by saying no talent/heart. emotions, you know.
by spezzasbrother on Oct 16, 2011 12:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, okay
But they both played a pretty solid game last night. What’s there to be emotional about?
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 16, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
I’m not even as bitter as you and Ryan are (or at least were at the end of the game). Maybe I’m too resigned to losing most of our games this season, but I’m happy with the fact that they fought so hard and was pleasantly surprised by the fact that the outplayed the Caps for a good chunk of that game. I was a lot more emotional after the Colorado game.
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Senators fans at their worst....
…cannibalize their own.
I think booing Gonchar was ignorant, and even the often-wayward Kuba gets dumped on a bit more than he deserves sometimes. But in the end, these are guys that will spend a few years with the team and then disappear. Not rental players, but maybe leased.
However, every time I hear someone shit on Alfie or Phillips I’m disgusted. Those two are the heart and soul of the franchise (you can decide which is which), and the classy elder statesmen of a young team. They’re both going to lose it in the next few years (many would argue Phillips is already there), but if Sens fans don’t respect those two then what’s the point?
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 16, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Phillips game seems better already this year
I think he’s still prone to panicking with the puck in the defensive end but hopefully as his better play continues, that will get better – seems funny though to say that about a veteran NHL d-man though…
If Gonchar’s off for any time though, i hope he goes to a sports shrink to dig out that passion for the game one would think he must have somewhere in there.
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In principle, I agree with you, but I also think respect only goes so far. At the end of the day, sports are a meritocracy, and it doesn’t do the Senators or their fans any good to hold on to a player no longer capable of performing out of respect. I don’t think Phillips is at that point yet, but he doesn’t seem capable of performing that shutdown role anymore.
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 16, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure
But there’s a difference between keeping a guy on the roster and giving him ice time because he’s part of the old boys club and not booing him and calling him a no talent, no heart waste of a roster spot.
We stopped doing the first when Bryan Murray traded away a lot of the team’s core last winter, but the second is never okay in my books.
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No doubt
I’m just saying that blind adulation is as bad as blind hatred, I guess.
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 16, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you on this.
Otherwise you end up with the latter bit of Wade Redden’s career.
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 16, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly my feelings.
If Phillips has to lose ice time and eventually go the Luke Richardson route of practically being a player-coach to being a coach, that’s fine. And that’s a reasonable thng to discuss.
But he’s earned more than being called a heartless bum. It hasn’t been that long since Phillips and Volchenkov were owning the Crosby line in the playoffs.
by RogerTheShrubber on Oct 16, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
And I get the impression that Phillips is one of the nicest guys too. Like I said below, stay at home defencemen kind of get taken for granted because there’s nothing flashy about their play, and I won’t deny that Philly’s in the sunset years of his career and sometimes it shows, but he deserves respect for everything he’s done for the team and the community and I expect that he’ll at least be offered the Richardson route when he retires.
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Phillips one of the great guys
Phillips is really one of the great guys… a loveable kind of a guy who has stuck with us thru thick and thin. His play this year has been improved, but let’s face it he hasn’t been a shutdown guy since Volchenkov left, and we keep playing him like he is because we don’t have a consistent shutdown guy yet.
We are rebuilding, and based on that alone would have been better served by letting him go in the purge for a young prospect or a draft pick. If we are to keep a veteran to mentor the kids, he needs to still have enough skill level to be able to mentor… like Afly.
Kuba is not the worst dman around, but playing Gonchar in a number one pairing is KILLING us, and one of the reasons why we have the worst GA in the league.
It’d be great if we started winning now, if only to show that we are better off without Gonchar and his pylon-like contributions. Gonchar WAS an offensive dman throughout his career. Now he doesn’t have those skills anymore, and for some reason even though this was obvious, we thought he could flank Karlsson on a successful powerplay and would manage the rest of it.
Watching him killing penalties, I just hold my breath. IMO, we have some potential but we have a really long way to go until we have a solid defence.
i agree with this
i think Gonchar is mis-cast where he is in the top-2 pairing. Frankly, i would rather see Karlsson with Phillips or with Cowan as has been discussed. But then that opens the possibility of pairing gonchar and Kuba which is, well, frightening.
Ya know, this little mental exercise shows me that our d-mix is a little off right now. AND it really makes me wish we could have let one of Kuba/Gonchar go and kept Campoli on…
D pairings
I agree the fact we had Cowen & Karlsson out on the ice at critical times last night was brilliant, this is our franchise top pairing moving forward. Put Runsblad with Philips on the 2nd pairing, and Lee with the Gonk-char moving forward as 3rd pairing.
Problem with the 3rd pairing is they both like to play the right side, hence why Lee is in the press box most nights. You could put Kuba with Lee, but the guy is too soft full stop. As proven last night were Karlsson and Cowen both used there body to stop Ovechkin, where Kuba was just turned inside out, you know the norm.
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Yeah, I really liked the Cowen-Karlsson pairing… reminded me of Sutton/Karlsson.
Considering that Lee is emerging as a physical stay-at-home kind of guy, I don’t think a Kuba/Lee would be a terrible pairing.
But I really expect that Rundblad will be down in the AHL once Carkner returns. There’s no harm in letting him play top pairing minutes in the AHL for the majority of the season.
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 16, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Cheers
Agreed apart from Rundblad I dont see the harm in him getting top 4 minutes here as he should. It will take around 15-20 games to fully get his NHL legs (though looks ok now). Sitting him on a bus in Bingo I dont think will develop him as quickly as being with the big boys.
Its obvious no one is going to bite on a kuba or Gonchar trade it really does no harm sitting one of them and let the future D run the shop. As for Carkner could you imagine how badly he would have been exposed against a fast team like the Avs. I cant seem him fitting into McCleans system at all, way to slow and we have a couple of grapplers up front supporting the young kids.
by You can call me Eado on Oct 16, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
i disagree about carkner
i’ve long supported him as being the perfect 6th defenseman on any team. against colorado i don’t think anything would have changed.
and as for rundblad, on the defensive end he was still made to look silly on several occasions last night. it was slightly offset by some brilliant passes and flashy moves but it doesn’t detract from his atrocious play in his own end. it wasn’t as bad last night as some games in hte past but it mostly seemed that way because others picked up his slack. i definitely see him back in bingo once carkner is back
i think Rundblad needs his opportunity though
look at the praise Karlsson’s gotten for his d-play in this game. would you have imagined that last year this time? I’m confident that in time Rundblad will come around in the same way but ALSO has his size going for him. Some time in the AHL helped Karlsson and will likely help Rundblad too but Karlsson was back for much of the season and hope the same will be the case with Karlsson.
I just hope there’s a way to manage ice-time with injuries or whatever to help that happen.
Well, there's no doubt that Rundblad needs his opportunity
I just don’t think it needs to come so early in the season. What’s wrong with that opportunity coming in the AHL with top minutes there?
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 16, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
that was a completely different team structure too
that was a time when we had no elite puck moving defensemen. karlsson brought something to the table that nobody else had. now we already have karlsson himself, gonchar, and the often-maligned kuba who has reasonably good puck moving skills. what we don’t have is a glut of big strong bodies to play defense. carkner is conservative, strong, and plays a simple game. lest i remind you that he was one of the only + on the team last year (i’m pretty sure? +1 or something) and even if you go by those wonky corsi ratings he had the best on the team. rundblad will get his opportunity… but when there are 7 healthy d with 1 way contracts and he’s the odd man out.. someone will have to get traded or injured (or 2 ppl play AWFUL) for him to be back up quickly
I doubt it'll be quick
But I’m betting we have an injury by around the new year. And I think that gives enough time for Rundblad to adjust down in Bingo before we have to call him back up.
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I haven't heard anything but I don't think he came back last night
MacLean said it’s a bruise from a puck to the foot and it’s day-to-day.
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Rundblad is NOT a better defenseman than Kuba or Gonchar right now
There’s a reason we dressed seven defensemen and heavily sheltered Rundblad in his first game.
There’s a lot of history that shows throwing rookies directly into the fire hinders their development. The exceptions to this rule tend to be generational talents. I like Rundblad’s talent, but I don’t think he’s a once-in-a-generation player.
Kurt Kleinendorst in Binghamton is a coach that I have a ton of respect for, and giving him the chance to develop Rundblad while playing him for top pairing minutes seems like a much more realistic approach to his career than letting him get undressed by the superstars of the NHL on a nightly basis. That’s not the way to develop anyone, in my opinion.
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 16, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Rundblad: should he stay or should he go
to Bingo. I must admit I am biased toward him staying. But we do have a glut of d-men esp when Carkner comes back. Still, Magic 7 is a quick study. Great improvement between Wilds game vs last night. More confident in puck control, jumping in offensively, more physical, better passes and creating scoring opportunities. Still making mistakes defensively but not as badly as the 2st two games. Although he still makes rookie mistakes, he is exciting to watch and we need something exciting to watch or the season is going to be painful to experience.
by whatsinaname on Oct 16, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he should go down - same as what Karlsson did.
Go down for a few games, learn how to play on the smaller ice, then come back up.
I agree
I think it’s a mistake to keep him now. Besides, who do you sit to make room for him? Cowen’s been good, you’re not realistically sitting the three big salaries, Carkner adds some toughness that no one else particularly brings to our blueline, Karlsson’s finally finding his defensive game, and Lee (as much as it pains me to admit it) is solid. That already leaves our blueline crowded with someone sitting each game until there’s an injury.
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Exactly.
I say you send him and Cowen down for seasoning once Carkner is back.
Gonchar – Karlsson
Phillips – Lee
Kuba – Carkner
You don’t need to sit anyone. No reason to. In case of injury or trade, call someone up.
Well, I don't believe that giving fans something exciting to watch is a good strategy for player development
So I disagree with you. This season is going to be a painful experience no matter what, so the Senators need to do what’s best for Rundblad, not what’s best for the fans.
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If Rundblad can be exciting to watch
he cannot possibly be doing that badly. Give him a few more games and he will be as competent as any d-man we have right now (unfortunately not saying much). But he will most likely be sent down because his is a two way contract. M7 is caught in a numbers game where Gonchar, Kuba & Phillip will play regardless.
by whatsinaname on Oct 16, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, but I doubt that he just needs "a few more games" to reach the level of a future Hall of Famer like Sergei Gonchar
I love the kid as much as anyone, but come on.
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Future HOFer Gonchar-in-his-prime or future HOFer Gonchar-today?
Because it’s going to take way more than a few years to slow down the way the Gonchar of today has.
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It's true
The Gonchar of today is removed from the Norris candidate of four years ago, but he didn’t magically forget how to play hockey because his skills and effort level have declined.
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I disagree
Gonchar right now is not the d-man that Murray thought he was getting and I’m not talking about his offensive prowess which as we all know has been MIA since arriving in Ottawa. His defensive skills are AWOL as well. If he’s 4 years removed from Norris candidate, we would not have problems trading him this year or last year, which would have been 3 years removed from the Norris candidate.
It’s a strange phenom for his skills set to disappear. Maybe its the water or the air in Ottawa that’s not agreeing with him, or it’s just his age showing. His reaction is a second behind his instinct. With age, your physical reaction can deteriorate dramatically very quickly. My squash game is half a second lagging and it’s really pathetic.
by whatsinaname on Oct 17, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we still would've had issues trading him last year
That’s a big contract to take on for an aging player. It’s one thing as a signing, but 2 1/2 seasons isn’t exactly a rental and it’s asking a lot for a team to take that on at the deadline unless he’s still in Norris contention form.
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That's right
the fact that we tried to trade him after half a year into a 3 year contract & had no takers point to a myriad issues with his declining skills set. Hindsight’s 20-20, but did we not see this coming with both Kovalev and Gonchar signings, guys past their mid thirties? Shade of Redden signing with Rangers.
I wonder if both signings’ were under the insistence of Melynk & that’s why Murray survived the Sens Spring.
by whatsinaname on Oct 17, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Wooooooooah
Complaining about Murray signing aging Europeans and speculating about Melnyk’s influence? It’s like I’ve gone back in time!
Seriously, though, I don’t see any point in dredging up that tired debate. We didn’t sign any aging Europeans over the summer and it certainly looks like all of the ownership/management has bought in to the rebuild. There’s no point complaining about the moves we made well before the start of last season.
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It's not complaining
but a statement about how the actions of the past influence the present.
by whatsinaname on Oct 17, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Well whatever it is
It’s a tired and redundant discussion at this point. Whatever pattern we may have had in the past, we’ve clearly broken it and are going in a different direction. Let’s not dwell on mistakes from a long time ago. Let’s focus on making the best of the situation we’re in and making smart moves for the club’s future.
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Rundblad was on ice for 12 ES faceoffs, 9 in the offensive zone (Ottawa had 18 total). All that zone sheltering means you’re making it tougher on guys like Karlsson, Phillips, Cowen, etc.
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by red army line on Oct 17, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know how painful it'll be
Maybe I’ve accepted the fact that we’re going to lose more than we win, but as long as they’re out there fighting hard and playing well, I don’t find it all that painful. Besides, if we keep losing then we increase our odds of winning the lottery and shortening our rebuild!
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Yea, it's a new sensation
to not be disappointed with the Washington loss knowing they did their best and even dominated the 2nd half of the game. It’s like you look at the standing and is half disappointed with 15th spot and subconsciously, covertly, half happy with last.
by whatsinaname on Oct 16, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
We are 14th damn it!
Winnipeg has 0 points!
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If we are 14th,
I rather be last. It’s all or nothing. I mean who remember 14th?
by whatsinaname on Oct 16, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather be 14th if it means we're trying hard and stealing the occasional win
As we saw last year, teams are gonna tank at the end of the season and the lottery could change things around anyway. Saying it’s all or nothing this early in the season is silly, and I don’t really care whether we’re dead last as long as we’re in the lottery.
Isn’t it supposed to be a deep draft year anyway?
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It's meant to be tongue in cheek
The " who remember 14th" is a reference to Daigle’s “nobody remembers the #2 pick”
by whatsinaname on Oct 16, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a post in the sidebar that sums it up well
From Welcome to your Karlsson Years.
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Rundblad's doing OK
Anyone who expected Rundblad to win the Calder was not aware that dominating in the Swedish game is not dominating in the NHL. He’s learning, and seems to be using his lessons well.
If we had someone solid defensively to take up his minutes, I’d say send him to Bingo, but we don’t, so his going to Bingo will just mean more ice time for Gonchar and Kuba.
Right now it looks like we didn’t draft enough defensive-minded defence, and it will take a while to develop into a team that doesn’t bleed goals against.
I strongly disagree he will spend majority of the season in the AHL
Maybe a few games, but he doesn’t look overwhelmed out there. He makes mistakes, but so do the others.
If Gonchar is out for a bit, I would expect him to stay even when Carkner returns.
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Eerything everyone says makes sense.
Going to Bingo will help help him. I really thought though he has adjusted quite well since the 1st two games and boy, it’s fun and exciting when he’s in the offensive zone or is it just me? Mark, you are right in that Rundblad’s not better than Gonchar & Kuba defensively but offensively, he is just as good, if not better given the small sample. Furthermore, Gonchar has not played up to expectation both ends of the ice. So, yes I get it, but I would really prefer him to stay.
by whatsinaname on Oct 16, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I too would like Rundblad to stay
There is no issue with using up a year of his contract, that’s going to be used up no matter where he plays.
I feel he will learn more in the NHL than the AHL.
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Yeah but there's just no room
At least not until we can trade someone and we’ll never trade them by reassigning them to Bingo or making them a healthy scratch.
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I'm betting there will be room after the trade deadline
And if the season continues like it has so far, at that point there’s not to have Rundblad in the lineup as soon as a spot opens.
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I agree
Unless we do something to screw that up like making Gonchar/Kuba a healthy scratch a lot or reassigning either to Bingo. As much as they might not be the best players to have in the lineup at this moment, playing them helps up the odds of actually being able to trade one or both.
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Look, all things being equal, I'd prefer to bench Gonchar and play Rundblad
But at some point, we have to live in reality.
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Really?
Once Carkner’s back, we have seven defensemen without Rundblad. Him spending the majority of the season in Bingo isn’t about his talent level, it’s about open spots.
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Well I prefaced that with “If Gonchar is out for a bit” then we’d have 7 defenceman with Rundblad and I expect Carkner to be 7th guy sitting.
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I understand that, but it doesn't sound like Gonchar will be out for an extended amount of time
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Yep, so I agree Rundblad will likely go down once Carkner is back.
But I think we’ll see Rundblad play here again before the train deadline if:
- someone could get injured again
- Cowen could struggle
- Carkner could be moved
It’s just my gut feeling I guess.
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I don't disagree
But I think a few games is an unrealistic timeframe. I think I said somewhere that I expect to see him around the new year.
And I doubt they’ll move Carkner. Really? He’s kind of unique on our blueline. I don’t see why we’d trade him or a big market for him either, to be honest.
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Well even if Rundblad is sent down, Carkner is going to be a healthy scratch most nights isn’t he?
If he gets in ahead of anyone of Phillips, Gonchar, Kuba, Lee, Karlsson or Cowen…well then instead of Carkner, Rundblad should play.
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I doubt it
I expect a bunch of rotation between Lee, Carkner and maybe Cowen. Carkner’s game is just totally different from anyone else in our roster and he’s solid. Depending on our opponent on a certain night, we might want that extra grit in our blueline. Lee’s playing consistently but it’s not like I’d call him such a hands-down standout that we need to play him all the time. They’ve already shown that they’re willing to sit him if we don’t have room, and I don’t see that stopping just because Karlsson’s in the picture. Lee’s good, but he’s nothing spectacular or unique, whereas Carks brings something different to the table.
Even if you don’t go in for toughness, surely you can see that there might be games where we want a tougher guy in the roster. It’s like the deal with Konopka except Carkner’s also a decent player.
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Well, I think we agree that Rundblad will be our first callup option
I guess we just disagree about when that callup will occur to make it a full time NHL assignment.
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Chances are some guy is going to be hurt most of the time (I think NHL average is somewhere around two opening-night roster guys hurt per game). Rundblad will get his chances.
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by red army line on Oct 17, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Sens Killer: Overtly strict interpretation of goaltender interference.
Grumble grumble.
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Amen and rec'd
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 16, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Honourable mention for Cowen
For that monster hit on Ovechkin. That was beautiful.
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I think you mean Ovechkin's monster hit on him
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 16, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Cowen kinda hit him then got steamrolled
I don’t really know what to call it but good on Cowen for doing it. Karlsson wasn’t the only one who shut Ovechkin down last night.
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Yeah
I loved seeing Cowen willing to get his nose dirty.
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 16, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He's definitely making it difficult for me to decide whether to go with him or Da Costa for my heritage jersey.
Very tricky. We shall see.
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I'd say Cowen
In two years, Cowen will be on our top pairing, probably with Karlsson. Da Costa will be centering our third line behind Mikachu.
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 16, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You really think he's a bottom 6 guy?
Seems like a waste of his vision and creativity. But we’ll see. I’m not putting anyone on a jersey for a while because either one of them could take a turn for the worse and Da Costa’s on a contract year.
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No, I don't think he's a bottom six guy
But I don’t think that he’ll be better than Zibanejad two years from now. To me, he looks much more comfortable as a center than winger, so I think the best move would be to try to create a third scoring line with him and move Z. Smith to the fourth line for checking purposes.
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 16, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
why does the third line centre need to be a checking centre?
you don’t need to have 3 goons on a line for it to be successful. our “third line” last night was regin/neil/foligno.. very successful. so if for some reason regin is not around or hasn’t panned out, da costa could fill a similar role.
Ideally all of them work out, and then we can flip Da Costa (or Regin) for a nice scoring winger.
It’s very tough for me to imagine all of Spezza, Zibanejad, Regin and Da Costa being here long term.
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As big of a deal as the Da Costa signing was last spring, you've got to think he re-signs here though
The question is how long they’re willing to go. But Regin I don’t know…. He’s on a contract year and last year was rough. Even if this year is better, I don’t know that I’d be willing to give him very long of a deal if I was GM. Don’t get me wrong, I like Regin – but with Zibanejad in the system and Da Costa playing so well, I’d probably want to keep Regin to another 1-2 year deal and see what happens after that.
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Well I wouldn't say that yet
But so far I don’t think he’s earned a place past the near future. Unless Da Costa shits the bed this season and Regin bounces back from last season.
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That's what I'm saying
Our third line is a checking line because we don’t have enough scorers. That could be very different in two years, which would let us create a scoring third line.
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3rd line centers
A few years ago, this pooly guy I knew had stats comparing the 2nd and 3rd line centers around the NHL and I was surprised to see that Fisher was close to the top of the 2nd line centers.
There just aren’t that many great 2nd line centers who are scorers let alone 3rd line centers who are scorers… so everyone dreams of having one.
If one of our young guns like Da Costa develops into a consistent scorer, Z’jad as a 3rd line center would be great. By then hopefully he’ll be an the all around Power Forward we drafted him to become.
If we could have a third line that plays like it's a second line, that would be amazing
But I don’t really know who’d play the wings and maximize Da Costa’s potential.
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A kid like Puempel could look very good there
He’s a straight up scorer who needs a quality setup man. Da Costa looks to be that kind of player.
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Plus I'm kind of skewed towards a forward
You just don’t see the D as often, you know? A stay at home D kind of gets taken for granted and is a lot less flashy when he’s good.
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That's why you go with it!
That jersey says “I know hockey and I’m not a puck bunny that loves Pochette Surprise Da Costa because he’s so tiny and cute and scores goals TEE HEE!”
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 16, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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PK
i think the lack of ryan shannon this year is a huge factor in our pk not being as strong. i thought last year he was our best penalty killer aside from spezza and here’s why: his first two strides are as quick as anybody in the league. while he doesn’t have much physical presence, he is able to put quick stick pressure on the defensemen at the top of the zone and transition into the passing lanes quick enough to eliminate options on the pass. when he and spezza were out there together, the whole top half of the pp was almost entirely nullified. we currently don’t have anyone with those quick first two steps and (amongst many other problems) the defensemen have way too much time walking the blue line and setting up. furthermore, he was the best pk forechecker we had for these very same reasons. he used his quickness to buzz around the opposition net forcing them to make ill-advised, rushed passes.
like i said, one issue amongst many other things… but damn i miss shannon for that
That makes sense
I did love Shannon when he was here and I was bummed when they let him walk. More speed drills in practice!
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That's so Alfie though
He’ll never blame anyone else and he’ll always feel at least somewhat responsible if the team doesn’t win.
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Ha it actually made me laugh
I didn’t see the video but I read a quote where he went “Too much Swedish, not enough finish.”
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After watching it, he's blaming himself for the couple of really good chances he had but didn't bury
But he’s not blaming himself for the loss, I wouldn’t say.
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I don't know that the one follows from the other quite so "naturally"
Maybe Ottawa ties it up and loses in OT/SO (considering Washington was coming off 3 wins after regulation, that’s a big maybe). Or maybe Ottawa takes the lead and deflates a bit and screws it up. Who knows. You can’t just say “naturally” we would’ve won if Alfie had capitalized on one or two chances, though.
That’s like saying that if Spezza’s goal hadn’t been disallowed, we would’ve been tied. For all we know, if we’d actually gone up one that early, we would’ve totally routed the Caps. No way of knowing what would’ve actually happened.
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THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT IS SUCH A MINDBLOWING MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!
ASHTON KUTCHER = SO HAWT!!!
… (i’m not mocking you, i agree with you… i am merely reflecting on the lesser minds who were impressed by this film during my teen years… they were the same people who ended up being swayed by Zeitgeist et al.)
The first one was good.
I never saw the others. I heard the alternate ending for the first was mindblowing.
Auld to blame
He should have had that wraparound goal…. Then who knows what would have happened. Also the officiating was not on or side- a couple of Neils penalties were very weak and of course the no goal.
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