Silver Nuggets: Filatov debuts for Binghamton tonight
by Adnan on Oct 14, 2011 1:00 PM EDT
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As you likely have heard by now, Nikita Filatov was sent down to Binghamton yesterday afternoon. Peter wrote his reaction to a move that shocked almost everyone, and disappointed many including me. I feel it was a pretty bad move by the club after promising him he would get every chance at a top six spot. He may very well get it again, but sending him down this quickly is not the right way to go about things. While I would love Mika Zibanejad to score a goal before he is sent back, wouldn't it make more sense to send Zibanejad back and play the guy who is actually going to play here this year?
Not everyone feels bad for Filatov though. Don Brennan seems positively gleeful at Filatov's demotion and on a side note, admits that he started the call for the booing of Sergei Gonchar.
Anyway, Filatov for his part, seems to be taking the move well. According to Joy Lindsay, Filatov says he has 'accepted' the move and was smiling in practice. He will play tonight on the top line with Kaspars Daugavins and Corey Locke. The guy's character is incredible and I couldn't be more impressed. First, he cuts his vacation short to show up to skate with the rookies in the summer. Then in the pre-season, he's worked hard and did everything asked of him. Now, even after the club unjustly demotes him despite his play, he is still saying the right things. Hopefully they give him a chance back in Ottawa relatively soon, or I wouldn't blame him if he goes back to Russia.
The links are after the jump.
Last Game
- So the game was ugly last night, click here for the scary recaps. (Silver Seven, Ottawa Sun, Ottawa Citizen)
- Stats from last night via NHL.com. Colin Greening led all Senators with 22:06 of ice time. Stéphane Da Costa didn't win a single face-off. (Box score, Play by play, Game summary, Face-offs, Shift report)
- Other stats from last night via timeonice.com. It was kind of odd that David Rundblad got zero offensive zone starts while Jared Cowen got zero defensive zone starts. Bobby Butler led all Senators with a +11 Corsi rating, with Brian Lee (+9), Chris Phillips (+5), Colin Greening (+3), Jason Spezza (+3) and David Rundblad (+1) the other Senators with a positive rating. Keep in mind, these are even strength ratings and the Senators allowed only two goals 5 on 5. (Corsi, Zone starts)
- Post-game game video with Paul MacLean, Daniel Alfredsson, Craig Anderson and Chris Phillips. (Ottawa Senators)
General Sens News
- Last week, Paul MacLean mentioned that they are going to give Nikita Filatov an opportunity for the top six and that he hasn't played himself out of that opportunity. Sadly, it was a 27 minute opportunity. (The 6th Sens)
- After Don Brennan asked if Milan Michalek is better than Dany Heatley, here is The 6th Sens response. (The 6th Sens)
- Former Senator David Hale is retiring. (Grand Forks Herald)
- UPDATE: Alex Auld will start tomorrow. (Ian Mendes)
- UPDATE: Bobby Butler pulled his groin and is unlikely to play tomorrow in Washington. (Ian Mendes)
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It at least deserves a mention
It was treated as the home opener. I still have the souvenir pompoms I got at the game as a result.
Oh Captain, my Captain!
I am not a fan of your team, and basically just started following the Sens because of Filatov.
But I’ve already decided that Brennan in a first class asshole.
They are both pretty bad, but I find Garrioch to be a bumbling idiot, while Brennan seems actually mean spirited.
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Yeah, that's about right
Though “bumbling idiot” doesn’t really cover Garrioch’s rumour making habits.
Problem is Garrioch actually sees himself as a sports journalist (choke!)
Brennan just puts himself out there as Joe Q Average fan with no sports IQ whatsoever. he’s actually pretty harmless because he’s such an effing douche.
Technically, didn’t you only join because someone posted cleavage pictures way back when?
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I love it when the local bloggers get so under the skin of the supposed 'professional' journalists
that they get petty about it on twitter… lmao
Garrioch is an idiot.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
Did something happen on Twitter?
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 14, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Garrioch just made a stupid remark about the 6th Sens
And got into it with Adnan a bit this morning. Kind of seems in an extra douchey mood today.
Guessing this
Bruce Garrioch
Thanks to @Senstown for #FF. I’d send a FF to #6thSens but don’t feel like it. #Sens
Yeah...
& as referenced above, Garrioch made a stupid comment about having time to play another round of golf and Adnan asked him what it had to do with hockey. Garrioch told him to unfollow…
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Everyone thinks they have enough.
what's an "FF"?
Telling someone off on twitter just doesn’t have the same punch as good ole’ timey cussin’. Anyway, just more evidence that he’s an arsehole.
by west-sider on Oct 14, 2011 3:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"Follow Friday" - suggesting people to follow
I had to google it.
Just to clarify
I tweet about non-hockey stuff all the time, I just didn’t know why he added “#Sens” to him going golfing.
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I didn't get that. It didn't address the question at all.
I wanted to reply with “But … what is the link? Enlighten me!” but thought it wasn’t worth it.
That's Garrioch's standard response to anything he doesn't like
“JUST UNFOLLOW ME BRO”
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I'm happy he seems ok with it.
I’m sure this is strictly giving him an opportunity to play top 6 minutes while we exhaust Z-Bad’s window. He’s definitely showing that the BJs (giggling like a school girl) were wrong about him.
by Pmoron on Oct 14, 2011 1:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I still think you need to calm down re: Filatov reassignment
Throwing around phrases like “pretty bad move” and “unjustly demotes him” smacks of an emotional knee-jerk reaction. Have some faith in management because they’ve seen a lot more of Filatov (and everyone else) than you have and they get paid to do this.
Don’t get me wrong, I’ve done it myself in the past (see: when Zibanejad was drafted), but sometimes you just have to step back and remember that you’re not seeing the whole picture and that these guys get paid for their expertise in making these kinds of decision.
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I am pretty calm
But I do think he was unjustly promoted and that it was a bad move.
It’s not like I was all !@#$ you MACLEAN, MURRAY!
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Maybe calm isn't the right word then.
You’re calmly overly-emotional. There could be some good reasons for doing this, reasons that even if you don’t agree with them don’t mean it’s unjust. Even the word demotion sounds overly emotional about it – it’s a different kind of opportunity.
Now he’s playing on the top line and has a chance to work on really showing leadership with younger guys. It’ll hopefully be good practice for later this season or in the seasons after this one.
And just because you’re not writing all caps profanities doesn’t mean you’re calm.
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I am not sure what you mean. Do you feel I should accept any decision because the club knows more than me?
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See my comment below
I’m not saying blindly accept it. I’m just saying there’s no reason at this point to be so emotionally invested, and it doesn’t really further any actual analysis of the move to keep throwing around such emotionally-charged language.
Especially your speculation yesterday about how Filatov would take it and your implication above that it’s practically a miracle that he’s taking it so well. Like I said a bunch of times yesterday, I’m sure Murray and/or MacLean explained their reasoning to him and until we can get an idea what that reasoning is, it’s incredibly premature to assume Filatov will be devastated and that management is dicking him around.
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Ya, no offense Adnan
The silver nuggets are great, but you could say you’re a reporter now, (and a hell of a lot better than Brennan or Garioch, don’t worry) which means it might be better if you state the facts and let us form our own opinions, rather than telling us how you feel about it. Again, no offense, I still love the Nuggets, just a suggestion and nothing more.
I am not stopping you from forming an opinion
I was just stating mine.
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This would be a pretty boring place without opinions.
I can look up facts anywhere. I prefer if I can read Adnan’s (or someone else’s for that matter), which generally speaking, gives me a different perspective.
by Pmoron on Oct 14, 2011 1:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But you really only get a different perspective if the opinion is fully explained along with the reasons for that opinion
If I write to the Minnesota hockey announcers and just say “Dany Heatley is an asshole!”, they’re not really getting a different perspective from my letter. But if I write to them and say “Dany Heatley is an asshole because Ottawa gave him a second chance when his career was in the toilet and led him to the most productive seasons of his career, then when he started getting less ice time because the whole team was struggling and the lines kept getting shuffled, he publicly demanded a trade and then vetoed the first trade we lined up so we still had to pay him his bonus for the year and so that every team in the NHL knew they could short-change us for him because he was holding all the cards. Asshole.” then that might actually provide a perspective that the Minnesota announcers clearly didn’t consider on Tuesday.
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But...
… isn’t that what Adnan’s does above in describing Filatov’s cut-short vacation, hard-working camp, the team’s promise, etc.?
(and no, this is not secretly Adnan’s using a second account ;) )
by sensory_experience on Oct 14, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
(and no, this is not secretly Adnan’s using a second account ;) )
Of course it isn’t!
You actually make valid points and funny jokes! ;)
For what it's worth
I think you are funny et smart, Adnam. We visible minorities must stick together against “the man”. I got your back.
by whatsinaname on Oct 14, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you calling me "the man" because I'm not a visible racial or ethnic minority?
Because I’m a woman. Quotations or not, it’s not very nice to call me a man.
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Ha!
I don’t think my race had anything to do with it. But I appreciate the sentiment!
Having said that, I really am smart, my mum told me so! :D
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Of course not
the race and “the man” thingies are a joke.
by whatsinaname on Oct 14, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
What bearing does Filatov's vacation have on anything?
Yes it was a good gesture on his part and shows a commitment to the team. But you don’t pick your roster based on gestures of commitment.
But an opinion about how Filatov’s training camp went (an opinion I generally share, BTW) doesn’t really say that much about this situation, and neither does his limited time with us since then. There’s also a lot of the picture that got left out of that statement.
I’m not saying it’s not a valid opinion, but I’ve come to expect the staff writers’ opinions to be reasoned out and written in fairly objective language. To me, it seems like the emotional stuff belongs in the discussions in the comments and the articles themselves are for stats and facts and analysis.
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Wait, you don’t pick your roster based on gestures of commitment?
Then I have no idea why Chris Phillips is still on the Senators roster.
Seriously, though, it does have a bearing on the situation, because it’s a demonstration of commitment. I think the demotion was premature, but I’m not quite as incensed as Adnan about it. I’ll withhold judgement for at least a few games; if Filatov is exiled to the AHL and kept down there despite strong play and roster openings in Ottawa, then I’ll be pretty upset.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 14, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course
Or if they start giving interviews saying that Filatov doesn’t have what it takes and who knows how long he’ll stay in Bingo, then it’s totally open season.
And the timing isn’t great, but I don’t really mind it that much assuming it’s a temporary thing and was explained to him so he’s not being jerked around.
And sure commitment factors in. Otherwise why would they be so worried about giving Zibanejad a few NHL games if not to make sure he’s committed?
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Commitment
I guess it’s because, in the absence of management commentary (initially), three things could have been the reason for the demotion:
1. Performance in actual games
2. Commitment/work ethic
3. Technical issues (eg 2-way contract)
Since #1 hadn’t seemed to be a major problem area (and if nothing else was a tiny sample size for someone promised a genuine shot), people turned to the other two.
Based on today’s comments by Murray, it doesn’t sound like it was just a numbers game (contracts), although for obvious reasons he couldn’t just come out and say that.
That leaves commitment/working hard. So it’s reasonable to point out factors related to Filatov having upheld this part of the bargain, including making an extra pre-pre-season effort, particularly since it was allegedly a problem area in Columbus.
by sensory_experience on Oct 14, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh, I'm pretty sure there could be other reasons.
For example, having too many forwards on the roster and preferring to have Filatov skating rather than sitting out as a healthy scratch. Or wanting to coddle Zibanejad and give him his full 9 NHL games before sending him back because they see him as a significant part of the team’s future.
The reasons could have been largely unrelated to Filatov. And I know you consider commitment, I’m just saying you don’t base your reassignment decisions on someone cutting his vacation short and you don’t decide who’s a healthy scratch based on who was last to show up to training camp.
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Part of being a reporter is editorializing at times
As long as it’s clear which is fact and which is editorial opinion, it’s not an issue.
I don't think you're being fair to Adnan here
The format of Silver Nuggets is intended as a daily open thread/discussion forum for the day’s news. As the writer of the Nuggets, Adnan’s job is to explain the situation, and then to offer his thoughts on it.
Although we try to hold ourselves to a pretty high standard on this site, bloggers can’t be expected to be reporters. We aren’t privy to the inside stories, and our picture of the team’s inner workings is mostly an unrepresentative one based on mainstream media reports and personal assumptions. The best we can be, really, are commenters on issues. We have and will continue to offer the backstory to the issue around which we’re shaping our opinions, and we will continue to distinguish between what are facts and what are thoughts, but this place would be pretty quiet (and probably boring) if all we did was state the facts.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 14, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
well said, the whole purpose of this medium is discussion of issues.
As for Filatov’s demotion, I was disappointed when I saw it (partially because he is on my keeper team); however, after reading Peter’s assessment yesterday and then looking at the numbers, it makes a bit more sense. The players most likely to be demoted were: Filatov, Zibanejad, Da Costa, Greening, Butler, Smith, and Condra. Of these players, Greening, Butler, Smith, and Condra are all on one-way contracts (via capgeek) which means their salary costs the same in the AHL as the NHL (also, correct me if I am wrong, because of the one-way they would have to pass through waivers which risks losing them) meaning, economically it makes more sense to demote one of the remaining three: Filatov, Zibanejad, and Da Costa. Of these three, Zibanejad is, imo, here for 9 games and then back to Sweden, so there is no point in demoting him. Between Da Costa and Filatov, Da Costa is a centerman and more versatile, so he stays up. When Zib is done his 9 games, Filatov will be back.
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so you're suggesting that journalists don't state their opinions?
I would say they’re just really good at burying them.
I know I'm late to this party, but I don't think you're being fair to Adnan
The Nuggets intro is a short discussion of what Adnan feels is the biggest news of the day. His opinion on that subject it totally valid; it’s intended as the conversation starter. I don’t see any problem with that—he shouldn’t be restricted from having an opinion just because he’s the author of an article compiling the day’s news.
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i'm a fan of Murray
but there are A LOT of people who are bad at what they do…and still get paid….just sayin.
Go luck yourself.
by ottawachiefsfan on Oct 14, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Auld starts tomorrow, and Butler pulls groin and unlikely to play tomorrow
I guess Konopka or Condra is back in then. Link added above.
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Fun/interesting
Gotta agree with Adnan here. Most people have been reasonable in their criticism. If fans always had to simply trust that management/coaches knew best, the discussions around here wouldn’t be very interesting (or long). I know that’s not exactly what you’re suggesting, AlfieGirl, but I guess I just don’t get why this is any different from all the other decisions that get analyzed, picked apart, questioned, etc. all the time.
by sensory_experience on Oct 14, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions
Analyzing is one thing
I’m talking about using emotionally-charged words and acting like Chicken Little, assuming Filatov will never be able to trust the organization and will feel jerked around like he did in Columbus.
There’s lots of room to debate the merits of keeping a rookie who’s clearly not NHL ready just to whet his appetite versus (temporarily, I imagine until I hear otherwise) reassigning a player so he’s skating instead of sitting in the presser. There’s also definitely a discussion to be had about whether someone else should be sitting out so both Filatov and Zibanejad can play. But it’s not analyzing the move, IMO, to just rail against an unjust demotion and say he’ll never trust BMur’s promise that he’ll get a top-6 opportunity here since we did this.
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ADNAN IS (not) AN EMOTIONALLY LOOSE CANNON!!
I’m not sure “pretty bad move” or “unjustly” are such emotionally-charged words (no more than the Chicken Little reference, certainly).
Look, I don’t mean to squabble. I just didn’t think Adnan’s piece was in any way over the top. He stated his views and actually ran through the history and expressed some optimism or at least hope about Filatov taking this the right way.
There was indeed talk in yesterday’s thread about broken trust and such, including from me, but I just didn’t get the reaction to today’s piece, that’s all. Nor did I think most of the talk yesterday was anything out of ordinary in terms of the “debate”, as you put it, around here.
by sensory_experience on Oct 14, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say the whole piece was
But between his comments yesterday and his wording when discussing it, I still think there’s less analysis and more emotion than I generally expect from S7S writers. Especially if it continues into a second day – it’s one thing to have that kind of reaction right away, and it’s another thing to still be holding onto it a day later.
And don’t put words like “loose cannon” in my mouth, thank you very much. I said overly-emotional but it’s not like I said hysterical and I certainly never said loose cannon.
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Sorry
I was just trying to come up with a funny title. I didn’t think or mean to imply that that’s what you were calling him. I know you weren’t.
FTR, though, Chicken Little is hysterical. :)
by sensory_experience on Oct 14, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
One of my law school instructors got called Chicken Little by a Supreme Court judge.
True story.
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Ouch.
That’s gotta sting. Moments when you know your case/trial isn’t going well…
by sensory_experience on Oct 14, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Look! I'm a writer for the Sun!
I said overly-emotional … hysterical and … certainly … loose cannon.
by B_T on Oct 14, 2011 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Bahahahahahahaha
Extra points for missing at least one comma in there. It wouldn’t be authentic Sun writing if it was grammatically correct.
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Soooo annnnyway...
A buddy of mine is playing in the ECHL, the first thing the coach told him was to skate less in the offensive zone. It takes energy away from the neutral zone and will more often than not, mean that your skating away from where you should be. The coach told him to find his position, battle for space, battle in the boards and look for the play to develop. I can’t comment on how this impacts a team, but my buddy seemed to think it was a big improvement (they had a good playoff run too)
I haven’t been watching Filatov closely, but it seems like this could be what Filatov is tweaking. Small positional play, and prioritizing energy. It’s easy enough to fix, but the bad habit can creep back easily. It’s probably easier to think about when you’re given more reaction time. And the AHL boards training is often NHL caliber.
It’s frustrating that fans know very little about the real skills/attitudes of players and management. Especially while we’re waiting for them to develop.
Well I think we're starting to see a bit of attitude
At least while Filatov was playing here he was certainly showing commitment to the team and a good work ethic.
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Yeah, he definitely showed a much better attitude then his reputation would have had us believe. I’m a fan.
Again though, from acquaintances in the AHL/minors that haven’t made it, they’re locker room players who never fight with the coach and look like role models. But they’ve told stories about going out drinking during the playoffs and never show much commitment to learning the intricacies of the game beyond what would appease the coach (Phaneuf’ing it).
Not that I’m accusing Filatov of that, I’m just pointing out that there’s a lot of ambiguity in this case.
And the attitude we see is from a distance, we’re not privy to the locker room/coach’s office attitude. Whether we’re talking about Filitov, Alfie or Emery, good or bad.
by BD Rebuilders on Oct 14, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess that depends on whether they end up career AHLers or just do a short stint and move back up.
And by depends on, I mean both depends on and contributes to…
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I should also add
I think it’s hasty to say Filatov’s shot at being top 6 is over. Our top 6 is crowded right now, but I expect Filatov to get more of a shot once the roster stabilizes. You don’t promise a guy a shot at being top 6 and give him that little time to do it….
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Ha, where did I say it was over?
I feel you are being much more emotional than I am to be honest. :)
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You may not have used the word over
Last week, Paul MacLean mentioned that they are going to give Nikita Filatov an opportunity for the top six and that he hasn’t played himself out of that opportunity. Sadly, it was a 27 minute opportunity.
But “Sadly it was a 27 minute opportunity” at least implies it. And I deliberately didn’t call you out because I didn’t read the Nicholls article and didn’t know if it was you talking or Nicholls there.
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Nichols has a fair point. He mentioned that MacLean said last week Filatov will be given a chance to play in a top six role, and then after two at the very least not-bad games, he was benched and then demoted. So in that sense, he only got 27 minutes to stick.
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27 minutes...
Plus camp, plus the pre-season, plus practices…
I get the impression this decision wasn’t base solely on his in-game performance.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 14, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Also fair
Even if I’m wrong about his top 6 shot continuing when he gets back.
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You've got to think this is part of his top-six chance
I mean… getting a “shot at playing top-six” doesn’t mean walking into that spot from the get-go and keeping it; there does still have to be a process involved. This is part of it. Filatov has the opportunity to play with two very good AHLers (Locke and Daugavins) and demonstrate a willingness to compete (note: Not a level of compete, because compete is not a noun, despite what NHL journalists seem to think) and an ability to score.
So this is just another step in his shot at getting top-six minutes with an NHL team.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 14, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d for making fun of “Compete Level”
How is anyone supposed to top Sterling Snakehouse?
by worsteverything on Oct 14, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but it took 27 minutes for him to “lose it”. Because as early as last week, MacLean felt he hadn’t done anything to lose it.
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But has he actually lost it?
Or is that shot just on hold while he tweaks some things in Bingo? Why do you assume that his shot is completely over?
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I never said completely over. I don’t feel he has currently been given the same chance as other players.
I am fairly confident he will return to Ottawa and play in the top six.
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So if you're confident he'll get a chance when he's back,
How has he lost his chance?
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Because he is in Binghamton. And thus he presently isn’t being given a chance to play in the top six.
For all I know, he could be back tomorrow.
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But he is playing top 6.
Like I said above, he’s actually getting higher billing than what I think he’d get here, and like Peter said he’s on a line with some really talented players. He’s still getting the ice time of a top 6 player and the responsibility, it just happens to be in a smaller arena for now.
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He's got a better chance than Bobby Butler is right now
And Butler has done a lot more to earn a shot than Filatov.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 14, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
And more importantly
Who are you saying should have been reassigned instead of Filatov? Because Zibanejad is a centre and has mostly been playing centre, but Filatov’s a winger. So sending Zibanejad back to Sweden still doesn’t really create a spot on the roster for Filatov. Who do you suggest is getting a better chance than Filatov?
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Zibanejad has been playing as a winger the last two games
On Spezza’s wing in fact. (At least he started the games there)
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Everyone thinks they have enough.
Was he?
My bad, I thought he only played a game there and moved back to the middle.
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I was just writing a comment to this very effect.
I think Filatov has shown he will fit into the top 6. There are just a few tweaks they want him to make to his game, such as; battle along the boards/for the puck and positioning. There is no reason he can’t do that under Klienendorst while BM & PM evaluate what they are going to do with players such as Da Costa, Zibanejad, Konopka & Winchester.
I believe they will make some moves in 6 games or so, and Filatov will be recalled as long as he has made progress where they wish him to. He’ll be slotted back into a top 6 role and should flourish.
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Everyone thinks they have enough.
This is a good point
Right now, I’m thinking of Filatov’s demotion as similar to Karlsson’s during EK65’s rookie season. A short-term approach to show him the ins and outs of the game, and then a recall later in the season.
One thing that really eases my mind is the abilities of both Kurt Kleinendorst and Paul MacLean at teaching and handling players. Kleinendorst seems like the perfect fit to teach Filatov what it takes to be a pro in North America.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 14, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The difference here is that Karlsson had never had an AHL stint. Filatov’s had several of them.
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But under different AHL coaches and in a totally different setting
At least by the end, wasn’t Columbus totally jerking him around? It seems like here it’s been explained to him and he knows what’s expected for him to make it back to Ottawa.
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Absolutely true
But based on the comments we’ve heard, he hasn’t yet acquired the skills to become a full-time NHL player.
I’m not sure whether it matters if this is his first AHL demotion, anyway. I just meant that the common belief is that the demotion is only temporary, and Filatov’s necessary improvements—similar to Karlsson’s a few years ago—have a lot to do with understanding the ins and outs of the NHL.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 14, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it is that he hasn't aquired the skills
I would suggest it has been said all along that he has the necessary skills to be a top- 6 forward.
My understanding is that the issue is with his battle for the puck and his positional play that the team isn’t liking.
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Everyone thinks they have enough.
Yeah, those are the skills I implied. Mostly mental skills that have to do with an understanding of how they game’s got to be played in the technical sense.
Not so much offensive skills. Both Filatov and Karlsson had shown the offensive skills necessary to play in the NHL; it was the other aspects they needed to work on.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 14, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Just read something really intersting from steve loyd on twitter
lets see if i can get the link to work here….
link
Apparently the Filatov wasn’t the only option to send down to Binghamton
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
You're paying the money regardless of where they are
If the two way player develops more in the NHL than the AHL, and the one-way guy can stand to benefit more from AHL, thats the move you make. The only cap considerations we have is to stay above the floor at this point.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
Different money though
A player on a one-way would still receive their NHL salary when sent to the AHL.
I understand it is different money
But when it comes to developing players, with the top of the salary cap not an issue, I don’t think that BM or Eugene would hesitate to do whats best for the club & development of its players and prospects, even if it meant it would cost him a few thousand extra dollars.
I guess I’m just saying, all things being equal, yes the one-way stays up and the two-way gets sent down, but from a hockey perspective, if it makes more sense for the two-way to stay up and the one-way to be sent down, you don’t consider the contract in that equation.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
In terms of developing players...
It makes more sense to demote Filatov than Condra. Filatov is 21 years old, while Condra is 25, and they also play significantly different roles on the team.
For his development, I think that it makes the most sense to send Filatov to play top-line minutes in the AHL for the time being. I don’t think Condra (or any of the other forwards on this list, aside from Zibanejad) has much left to learn in the AHL.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 14, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you could put Butler & Da Costa in the AHL to develop some more.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
Sure, you could
But more than Filatov? I don’t think so.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 14, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, we’re talking an exponential increase in salary; the difference is almost a million dollars, not a few thousand.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 14, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Assuming that he is there for the entire season yes.
But not if he’s only there for 5 or 10 games.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
Cost of Butler VS Filatov in the AHL
Is around $9k per game.
Exactly
So that list of people that we could have reassigned instead of Filatov would seem to be inaccurate, at least about Zibanejad. And I’m not entirely familiar with waivers rules, but wouldn’t waiver issues change next season for any of those guys on one-ways?
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The list is of waiver-exempt players
Not of players who could have been sent to Binghamton.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 14, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It might change
Depends on the outcomes of the CBA negotiations this summer.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 14, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing to do with their age?
I thought the rules were different depending on your age or how long you’ve been in the NHL.
Oh Captain, my Captain!
It does have to do with age, yes
That’s what Lloyd meant when he said the players are still waiver-exempt for X years or Y games. For instance, Butler will have to clear waivers a year from now, regardless of whether or not he hits that 30-game benchmark.
There are a bunch of things that alter the waiver eligibility of a player. I’m not entirely clear on all of them.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 14, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It's simply a list of waiver-exempt
Regardless of if they’re on a one or two way contract.
I found a thread on HF Boards, but am still looking for a legitimate source
However, from what it says on HF Boards is that if a player who is a First round draft pick does not make the NHL club, said player must be given the option of returning to his European club first. However, if the player does not wish to return to his European club, he can then take assignment to the AHL club.
It would seem that this can be used in instances with young players who are close to making the NHL team, but need a month or so to adjust to the North American game. ie. the NHL team means to recall the player at some point.
I will keep looking for a legitimate source however…
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Everyone thinks they have enough.
See Peter's comments below
Sounds like a clause in Zibanejad’s contract with Djurgardens
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I haven’t read the contract, obviously, so don’t take my understanding of what the situation is as the final word. I stand to be corrected.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 14, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
My understanding is that the Transfer Agreement
Superceeds the club contract…. still looking..
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Everyone thinks they have enough.
Only when they actually conflict, I think
“Requires” would still supersede “Allows”
That sounds like how contracts usually work
Unless they wrote something in to do otherwise.
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Thanks lawyer lady!
Glad to know my basic understanding isn’t completely OTL!
OK... so this is a better source than HF boards... though well... you be the judge
Basic summary is there is an out clause in his contract with Djurgården that Zibanejad has the option of exercising. If he chooses to do so, then he would be eligible to play in the AHL this season.
Common sense is the most evenly distributed quality in all the world.
Everyone thinks they have enough.
But that does make sense
I didn’t really know why, but my understanding was that Zibanejad specifically isn’t AHL eligible, not that it’s some rule to do with rookies or something else that’s general.
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I really wish I could find the reference
Someone posted something about Zibanejad not having to report to the SEL. There is an out that he can choose to exercise in his contract that allows him to go to AHL… I just can’t remember the details, and I don’t know who posted them!!!
WHOEVER IT WAS, PLEASE READ THIS AND REPOST INFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Everyone thinks they have enough.
I don't think that's true
I thought the only out from his SEL contract was for thim to go to the NHL.
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Only the forwards really matter
And only Da Costa was really an option.
Butler, Condra, Greening: One-way contracts mean they’d have been earning their NHL salaries anyway.
Zibanejad: Out clause with Djurgardens only in effect for NHL play.
Da Costa is on a two-way deal, but he’s outplayed Filatov by a mile.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 14, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
From Down Goes Brown
Other complaints about Brendan Shanahan
Personal favourite:
He was the second overall pick in the 1987 entry draft, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about because I don’t even remember him. (Submitted by Alexandre Daigle.)
Is there some Bryan Murray video somewhere that I'm not finding?
Talking about the Filatov reassignment?
Oh Captain, my Captain!
Haven't seen one
Here is some more quotes from Filatov and Kleinendorst though.
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Filatov has a goal tonight for Binghamton by the way
1-1 after 1 period.
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Not good enough
Needed to have at least three in the first. Send him to Elmira.
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2 goals for filatov now
:D !!! something seems to have clicked!
i'm guessing nobody has links for this game eh?
bingo / crunch?
Not that I know of, just following Joy Lindsay on twitter.
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ah yes..
and the bingo website for game updates.. filatov with an assist. 3 points! yeeeeah boy!
Well damn they lost in OT
Apparently Filatov was robbed by the goalie for potential hat trick winner in OT.
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in russia, hat trick gets you!
… that sucks. statement game though!
Next stop Jackals
Goal scorers have to score goals, not get robbed of them. That’s, like, Goal-scoring 101.
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 14, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha!
He’ll probably accept that with a smile too.
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In all serious, I'm genuinely curious what they asked him to work on
But a great debut for him in Bingo. If he needs to tweak his game or whatever, I have a lot of confidence in Klienendorst to help him do that. It looks like they’re off to a good start.
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by Mark Parisi on Oct 15, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
karma, its a b!tch...
the game against the Avs is a good point in case.you don’t treat people like a commodity, promise one thing, do another. with nikita in the lineup they weren’t doing as bad.take him out, squeak out 1 win but on the backs of neil and smith line.then…BLAM, shelled 39-16, lose 7-1.and why change some thing that was starting to work out? the Sens scored at least with him in the lineup.IMO, he did more than Mika, and it only showed with 1pt.
by spezzasbrother on Oct 14, 2011 10:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
What are you talking about?
You sound like a crazy person.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 14, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Haha
“You sound like a crazy person.”
This made me burst out laughing.
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It's the internet. Everyone is a crazy person.
Also, a lawyer, a doctor and an expert in whatever you’re talking about.
Whoa whoa whoa
Just because AlfieGirl’s a lawyer, Andy Sutton’s an expert, and Mark Parisi’s a crazy person doesn’t make anyone around here a doctor.
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Filatov scores three points for Binghamton
Two goals and an assist, but the B-Sens lost 5-4 in OT anyway.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 14, 2011 10:46 PM EDT reply actions
Ha, now he claims they will change it to a hat trick
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HEY MORONS!
"I sat out five games in a row my first year in Winnipeg, and I flew my dad out from Antiguinish to watch me play," he said. "So we had a good time watching the game together." It was also the last time MacLean would be a healthy scratch in his career.
It’s “Antigonish”. Antigonish. ANTIGONISH. You illiterate jackasses. Do a little research. Google Maps. Stupid BS smug, lazy @#$%er. Do you live in Awtowwa? NO? Well, Paul MacLean ain’t from “Antiguinish”, either. Tool.
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Nova Scotians get testy
when they feel Upper Canadians dismiss them.
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I noted this on Twitter
I’m not sure how a Canadian doesn’t know of Antigonish, to be honest. That’s where St. FX is!
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by Peter Raaymakers on Oct 15, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
School of Hard knocks
Maybe Breadnom is a rebel, you know, like Cherry, purposely mispronouncing non-Canadian names to mock European players….garish, school of hard knocks spelling.
by whatsinaname on Oct 15, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Knowing of it and spelling it are two different things
I suspect that there’s a higher level of knowledge among Canadians with regards to Saskatchewan than Antigonish, and that one gets mis-spelled all the time.
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