Senators for Sale: Chris Neil
Contract Status
Signed through 2012-13 with a $2M cap hit.
Pros
Many of the pros for Neil are the same reasons the Senators wouldn't mind keeping him around: Leading, hitting, fighting, and--once in a while--putting points on the board. He's not a consistent scorer, but he is a consistent hustler, and you know what you're going to get from him on any given night. Although he fits in best as a fourth liner, he is a fourth liner who can play, and can easily step up to the third line--maybe even spot duty on the second line, in the right situation. Come playoff time, he's a valuable player to have on your roster.
Cons
Within certain team salary structures, Neil's contract may not work for the offensive production he'll bring to a team. It won't be an obstruction for this season, but the two further years on the contract may give potential suitors pause, and lower his trade value in the process.
Trade Value
Moderate. Neil is a player well-suited to playoff hockey, so any team gearing up for an extended playoff run would do well to target a player like Neil for their run. The two years remaining on his contract would lower the return he would otherwise bring, but realistically, any team interested in acquiring Neil would likely earmark him as a potentially valuable asset moving forward.
Trade Likelihood
Nil. I was bordering on marginal, but it would appear that Neil's value to the Senators is higher than it might be to other teams, so Ottawa's asking price would probably be higher than other teams are willing to pay--but I wouldn't at all be surprised if teams inquired about Neil's availability. As the Senators embark on their rebuild, a veteran like Neil on a cap-friendly contract who (literally) bleeds for his team and teammates is the kind of player you like to hold on to. Still, if another team really likes what they see in Neil, it doesn't seem unlikely that they'd pay what it takes to get him (within reason, of course).
Potential trading partners would be teams like the Pittsburgh Penguins, Atlanta Thrashers, Tampa Bay Lightning, New York Rangers, Minnesota Wild, or Phoenix Coyotes: Teams which could use his physical and veteran presence through the playoffs, but also have cap room in the coming few seasons to make room for him.
Realistic Return
There aren't really many recently-traded players who bring the sort of mix of physicality and decent play that Neil brings to compare him to, but there are some starting points. Dan Paille, for instance, has a similar offensive capability as Neil, but although he plays in the bottom six, doesn't bring nearly the physical presence Neil does; still, Paille garnered a third-round pick and a conditional fourth-rounder when he was dealt last season. Jason Chimera is the same age as Neil, with less grit but more offence, and was recently traded for a couple of vets in Chris Clark and Milan Jurcina; Ottawa wouldn't want players back, though, and would likely prefer picks or prospects. A final comparable could be Chuck Kobasew, who's a fair bit younger than Neil, somewhat more offensive, and a fair bit less physical; Kobasew was traded for minor-leaguer Craig Weller, prospect Alexander Fallstrom, and a second-round pick.
If I had to guess, I'd think Neil would get an average of those three deals: A second-rounder and a low-payoff prospect wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility, but it would likely be more in the range of a couple of mid-round picks (a third and fourth, perhaps) along with a mid- to low-level prospect or project player.
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I hope they keep him. As you said, we need that type of player with a younger roster on the horizon. As seen lately , Neil can more than hold his own with the biggest and baddest in the league. If anything I would like us to get another forward toughguy (Parros?) that can play to help him out in the next couple of years.
GO SENS GO GO TEXANS GO
I like Neil and wouldn't trade him either.
He plays his heart out! He has exceeded expectations in my eyes.
by Los Blancos Chicca on Jan 31, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Hate the contract, Love the guy
Chris Neil is everything you want in a guy playing his role: he’s a tough character, plays with heart, creates energy and can reverse momentum. But damn, his contract hurts.
that was after a season where he score 25 goals
by Hockey Playoff Run SensFan on Jan 30, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
His contract is less of the problem, when some of big salaries are being shipped out of Ottawa (say Kovalev.) I’d explore all trade options which favor the Sens. Neil is a type of player which may cause some GMs to overpay.
Out of the potential Chris Neil trade partners listed above, I identify Atlanta, Phoenix and the Wild as the “most desperate” to make (some noise in) the post season.
Atlanta: Lack 2nd rounder in 2011. The prospects that the Sens want may be no-goes for Atlanta…My take…no deal.
Minnesota: No 2nd just like ATL, but an interesting selection of forward prospects e.g Haula, Bulmer, Zucker…My take…any deal depends on badly Fletcher wants Neil.
Phoenix: Two 2nd’11. Tons of Dman prospects, solid forward prospects and decent goalies…My take…I don’t expect PHX to sell their assets left and right. Best trade partner for a rebuilding Sens team.
Hard to replace
Again, apart from his relative cost and what he does to the salary scale for comparables, I want him on our team. There are very few in the league who can play a regular shift and still tune someone up when it’s needed. If we trade him – or anyone for that matter – it has to be to acquire an asset we don’t have and we have an obvious replacement to play the role that player plays. With Neil, I haven’t seen that yet out of the Bingo call ups.
Re: Senators for sale.
How about Niklas Hjalmarsson and Atlanta’s 2nd round pick for Mike Fisher?
The ’Hawks would love to have a two-way centre behind Toews and not have to move Bolland up so they can keep him as a checking line centre. This move would enable them to have Hossa and Sharp play the wings or move Sharp to the Bolland line where Versteeg and Havlat once had success.
The Sens would get a very good defensive defenceman that blocks shots and eats up big minutes and would pair with Erik Karlsson. How good would that pairing be? You get a young defenceman that already has 39 playoff games and a Stanley Cup already to his credit and have him for the next 3 years where it’s almost certain he’ll get better. It definitely stabilizes the backend for years for Ottawa, especially if Murray unloads Phillips and Gonchar.
Discuss?
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 NFC Champion Green Bay Packers.
February is the month of love; I'd love to have a hug, a kiss, a Super Bowl, and a 'Hawks winning streak.
That is a terrible trade for us
We don’t need another defenceman. Not that our defence is great, but we already have a lot of defensive prospects. Fisher, while not spectacular, is still better than most of the forwards on this team.
Trying to be Erik Karlsson's agent since October, 2010.
I don't think this is a terrible trade at all
Hjarlmarsson’s had a mediocre season from what I’ve heard, but he played well last year and he’s signed quite reasonably for another 3 years. Regardless of what our prospect pool looks like, there’s no guarantee that anyone past Rundblad and Cowen become effective NHLers, and physical D-men are exactly what we need with the absence of Volchenkov (and soon, Phillips). He’s a player I can see Ottawa going forward with.
Fisher, on the other hand, while a great leader and warrior, is ultimately an overpayed (but excellent) third-line center. He brings grit, but is far from an essential piece. I’d be sad to part with him, but for Hjarlmarsson and a 2nd I’d do it.
by TheGuineaPig on Jan 30, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
awful
i think fisher is frequently undersold because of the way that he is played by his coaches. he has a skillset to be a very effective second line centre but has yet to be used properly with the sens save a brief period last season when he was on a line with kovalev who at the time was given a pretty decent amount of freedom to create. with the right system and the right coach i think fisher can be a 50+ point / 25+ goal a season player MINIMUM. also, with mike fisher you have a publicity machine that can bring much needed attention to certain hockey markets via his personal life (i.e. wife). the power of celebrity media cannot be understated in a lot of markets.
Fisher and the bleeding hearts...
…why are Senator fans so up Fisher’s butt? He is never going to be a scorer capable of being on the 2nd line (4-time 20+ goal scorer in 11 seasons with the Sens with a career high of 25). He is a 3rd line player. And he gets or plays hurt 90% of the time. And he goes 10-20 games without scoring. And over the last 4 seasons he is a -21. And he isn’t clutch in the playoffs (28 pts in 75 playoff games). And Fisher doesn’t hit much anymore (tied for 102nd in the league with 84 hits. Alexi Ponikarovsky has two less hits. In 20 less games.). And Fisher loses more Faceoffs then he wins (Adam Burish has a better win %…and Burish also blocks more shots…and makes over $3 million less then Fisher.).
Look Mike Fisher is a good guy in the community, girls think he’s attractive and he has a Nashville wife. He skates hard (so did Tie Domi) and tries hard (so did Tie Domi) but he isn’t a good enough defensive or offensive player to be on any teams 2nd line. He is a $4.2 million dollar 3rd line center. He is grossly overpaid in every single way possible. He didn’t even play a key role in getting our Sens to the finals. Sorry to break it to everyone, but he needs to go while he has healthy enough knees…before it’s too late to trade him.
Sens fans if you won’t let go, Jesus take the wheel and deal Fisher.
How many goals do you think second line centres usually get?
20-25 goals in a year is right in line with a second line centre’s production. And when you consider the other positives he brings—intensity, hard work, physicality—he’s kind of an awesome second liner. To say he isn’t good defensively is to lie, and plus-minus isn’t a reliable stat when you’re talking about a player with Fisher’s minutes.
As for missing games, he’s missed none this season, and has missed 10 games total since 2007.
I’m not saying he’s the league’s top second-line centre, and he may in fact be overpaid at $4.2M, but he’s a valuable player to have. If he wasn’t, no other teams would be inquiring about acquiring him.
An Ottawa Senators fan blogging at www.silversevensens.com
by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 31, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
exactly
i never said he wasn’t overpaid, because he is, if only by a bit (3.5 seems perfect). you’re looking at his hits THIS season when he’s played with a nagging injury (which i think he shouldn’t have played with), and avoiding contact. there are a lot of people that would trade a fair chunk for mike fisher and if we chose to trade him, we would undoubtedly get a good return for him — especially because it will be on our own terms, as there’s no rush to get rid of him. what i’m saying is that if you take a look at his skillset and his strengths and compare that with what his role has been basically his entire time in ottawa, his role doesn’t necessarily match with his potential. i’m saying with the right coach and the right system (and linemates), he can be a 60pt a year guy. for a second line centre, that is grrrrrreat!
You shouldn't gauge value on "what ifs"
Because I bet a lot of fans were expecting Ottawa to do well based on Nick Foligno’s 20 goal, Kovalev’s rebound, Regin’s break-out, and Spezza’s dominant season.
by TheGuineaPig on Jan 31, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
This team lacks toughness
and Mike Fisher brings it when healthy but this year he’s been ineffective because of injury, he’s just part of what has been wrong with this team this year. He, when healthy, makes opposing “D” get rid of the puck fast which causes turnovers and gives his wingers chances to score. Don’t forget his penalty kill skills which are second to none along with Kelly it makes a good two line combination with chances to score shorthanded. That’s why I wanted him signed no matter the cost and why he gets paid what he does, consistent hard work and a good guy in the community.
by Hockey Playoff Run SensFan on Jan 31, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I AGREE WITH THIS!
(And I am not a girl that finds him hot, he isn’t my type lol)
by Los Blancos Chicca on Jan 31, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Hjalmarsson would bring toughness too
Fisher’s a good player. I don’t think he needs to be traded. But if the right trade came along, I would move him. Ottawa needs to move forward, and part of that is maximizing the return on current assets.
by TheGuineaPig on Jan 31, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Smart comment...
…Ottawa needs to move forward. 11 seasons of Fisher is enough if we can get a draft pick or younger talent back. Plus the money saved.
"He is playing with a nagging injury..."
…when is he ever NOT playing with a nagging injury?
I don’t know how all of a sudden 31-year old Mike Fisher is going to become this 60+ point guy (career high, 53). He is a fine player but he is not a 2nd line center. He would be much better in a 3rd line role, but not too many successful teams pay $4.2 million dollars for a 3rd liner.
I will point to this article from earlier this season about Mike Fisher by Ian Mendes
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2010/09/22/mendes_second_to_none/
Basically this bizarro world standard that Sens fans apply to the concept of “second line center” is straight up false. I think last year he played above his head, but on the other side of the coin he, along with everyone else on the Sens has under performed this season.
by modsuperstar on Jan 31, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure where you're seeing 60 point potential
If he couldn’t get 60 playing with Martin Havlat, I’m not sure who he’d need on his wing to get there. He might get 60 once during his career, but that’d be a significant outlier.
Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.
He's only reached your 'in-line' numbers 4 times...
…in 11 seasons. Mikhail Grabovski is the Leafs 2nd line center and he has 20 goals…or 7 more than Fisher.
Obviously Fisher isn’t a bad player, but he isn’t a 2nd line center unless average and run of the mill is the desired achievement Ottawa management is going for. He would be better suited as a 3rd liner, but at $4.2 you have to play him on the 2nd line to justify the contract.
as i said
i think he’s been long misused, and it’s a shame. i said he has all of the necessary tools that have not been properly conditioned or developed by ottawa. and i also wouldn’t mind a trade, but not for little more than peanuts. there are so many positives about him that can still be used properly by certain teams that he ought to return more than has been previously suggested. fisher, like most hockey players, are pawns, and do what they are told by their team, doctors, training staff, etc. there is still a raw, core talent, skillset, and player type suited for him. the sens have not done an adequate job with him. that’s all im saying. i’m aware it’s a what if, but considering all of the benefits he brings to a team and the potential to expand on those with better management, i think he can garner a fair bit in return.
…but he isn’t a good enough defensive or offensive player to be on any teams 2nd line…
So that Selke nomination was a coincidence? If you think there are too many bleeding heart Fisher fans that’s fine, but don’t speak in hyperbole and cherry-pick stats just because you have an axe to grind.
Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.
That Selke nomination...
…was 5 years ago. Mike was 26. He’s 31 now and this team will be going through a rebuild starting at the trade deadline. Also I was unaware stats like hits and faceoff wins are cherry picked numbers. Sorry if I offended you.
Look if Mike Fisher played like Ryan Kesler we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
Comparing his face-off percentage to someone who’s taken less than half as many draws (374 to 754)? Comparing his hits to Ponikarovsky, while omitting that he’s also out-hit guys like Jerome Iginala, Mike Richards and Eric Staal, and ignoring the fact that he’s 3rd in the league among forwards in blocked shots?
Yeah, I’d say that’s selective statistical analysis. I’m not a huge Fisher fan either but if you’re going to tell me why he sucks then give me some proper context.
As for Kesler, Fisher out-hits him too. In the same amount of games.
Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.
Fisher out hits Staal...
…you got me there man. Eric Staal is a hitting machine.
Mike Richards is the Flyers #1 center. He has 17 goals, 47 points, and is a +14. Jerome has similar stats and is Calgary’s best forward. I sure hope Fisher has more hits (although barely) because your teams best scorer usually isn’t leading your team in hits.
But then again we’re comparing Fisher to players he’ll never be like. Still can’t believe how many Sens fans are totally ok with Mike Fisher as our 2nd line center and are willing to defend him against Staal, Richards and Iginla.
Your point was that he's not a 2nd line centre
I pointed out that he’s statistically superior in several aspects to other top-6 forwards. And now you’re complaining that you don’t want to compare him to those guys?
He’s obviously not as talented as Staal, Iginla and Richards but I’m only using the stats that you originally brought up. Make up your mind. Who do you want to compare him to?
You stated previously that Fisher doesn’t hit much anymore. After tonight’s games Fisher had more hits than 88% of NHL forwards. Like I said before, if you want to make a point, give some context and pick your stats better. Because the ones that you chose do not validate your point.
Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.
ummm, wasn't this a story about Chris Neil?
in which case, Sens don’t get in return what he’s worth to our team (as has been already stated). Unlike other blogs – i’m talking about you here Sens Nation – Chris Neil got his contract because of the inability to find comparables with his combined skill, determination and grit. It’s what the Sens had to pay for a valuable piece to their (or any) team.
I’m for keeping him.

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