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Senators' inconsistencies expose lack of leadership

Jason Spezza has not yet shown that he can replace Daniel Alfredsson. (Photo by Jim McIsaac/Getty Images)

Maybe Dany Heatley was right.

It may be surprising for you to read that.  It was certainly surprising to write it.  But as we look at the Ottawa Senators this season, we can't help but wonder, "Where is the leadership?"

Head coach Cory Clouston is not to blame.  His system works.  We've seen it time and again.  We saw it turn the team's mentality around at the end of the unsalvageable 2008-09 season.  We saw it set a franchise-record winning streak last year and lead an underdog team back to the playoffs.  It's a team-based system, which is what you need to play when you don't have a lot of offensive talent -- and that's part of Ottawa's plight.

But Clouston's system won't work when his team starts the game in the hole, which is common these days.  There's no system that helps a team win when behind, except outworking the other guys by a wide margin.  Considering the amount of times this year the team has been down in a game, it's fair to say that no team could produce the level of intensity needed to come back in all of them.  As the fifth-oldest team in the NHL, it's even less fair to think these current Senators are capable of producing it on a regular basis.

Bryan Murray deserves some of the blame.  After all, he's the one who assembled this team.  He's the one who added veteran players and then let them walk in the offseason.  He's the one who continues to sign skill players on the wrong side of 35.  It's hard to ask a chef to make you fillet mignon when you give him aged chuck steak. 

The truth, though, is that the major faults of this team lie directly in the locker room.

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Senators fans remember well the halcyon days of the 100-point teams, where the goals came easily and the players flew across the ice.  There was no reason to panic when those teams were losing in a game -- you were sure they were going to come back. 

And more often than not, they did. 

Those were the days when Daniel Alfredsson would calmly strip the puck, make a pretty pass or bury a shorthanded goal, and the team would rally behind him.  It's no coincidence that it was Alfredsson who scored the goal that sent the modern day Senators to their first Stanley Cup Finals appearance.  Who else was going to do it?  Who else even could?  Every time the team needed a boost, Alfredsson was the player the team looked to for it.  He was the player everyone rallied around.  Even if he took on that burden too often and tried to do too much himself, Alfredsson gave it his all, and everyone fell in line behind him.  Those were the days when everyone knew who we could count on.

Those days are gone. 

Daniel Alfredsson is 38, and though his willingness to be the player to carry the team remains undiminished, his body is failing him.  Shots that the captain would have once buried are now ringing off posts.  He's slowed by the accumulation of the injuries of recent years.  Hernias and broken jaws and the hundreds of other little ailments take their toll, and that's the way of the world.  There are still nights when he looks like the Alfredsson of days gone by, nights when he's feeling good and can't be stopped.  But they're fewer and fewer as more and more games are put in the books.  He still wants to do it all -- you can see it in his play -- but he simply can't anymore.

And there's no one to replace him.  That is the primary flaw of the 2010-11 Ottawa Senators. 

It's not a lack of talent, so Bryan Murray can't be left holding the whole bag.  It's not coaching.  The answer to both criticisms is that Cory Clouston guided essentially the same roster less Anton Volchenkov to the fifth seed in the Eastern Conference just last year.  The talent is there.  The coaching is there.  The proof exists in last year's team.  The difference is that this year, there's finally no one left to rally around.  Who on the current roster can the team look to for the play that's going to ignite the team as in years past?

It's not Jason Spezza.  Though the team's best center is unfairly maligned for his creative style of play, he hasn't shown an ability to lead this team.  We've seen him mature these past two years, but he's a long way from being the voice in the locker room.  The way Spezza has handled the abuse of the fans and media show that he's got the mentality to put the team on his back, but thus far in his career, his play has not shown the same promise.  Leaders lead, plain and simple, and if Spezza can't get it done on the ice, it doesn't matter what he says in the locker room.

It's not Mike Fisher.  No one is going to fault Fisher's effort level.  In any given game, he's a player you know is going to give his all every shift.  It's that mentaltiy that got him on the team in the first place. And while he has shown a bit of a penchant for scoring game-winning goals in overtime, Fisher cannot be depended on for big plays in big moments.  Like Spezza, there are flashes of skill.  Like Spezza, there are some nights he can dominate.  But they're even more infrequent than Spezza's are.  Fisher is a heart and soul guy, and there's no doubt someone of his character can be respected in the locker room, but he's not a player the team can rally around.

It's not Chris Phillips.  He may be a veteran and a steady presence (current season excluded) but his level of play has never been the kind to inspire a team.  Before this year, he was as steady as could be asked for.  He did his job -- and did it well -- but nothing more.  Phillips cannot lead the Ottawa Senators.  No one wants a captain who you'd describe as "steady but uninspiring."

It's not Erik Karlsson.  It may be someday, but right now he's still finding his way in the NHL.  Karlsson may be putting up plenty of points, but he's still making mistakes that offset his contributions.  It's unrealistic to burden a player so young with the responsibility of leadership.  He doesn't need more pressure. 

It's not Brian Elliott or Pascal Leclaire.  When was the last time either of these players made a game-changing save?  Elliott remains wildly inconsistent; he is as likely to let in a back-breaker as he is to stop a surefire goal.  Leclaire has the talent to be that kind of player, but cannot stay healthy enough  to actually do it.  His injuries have him years behind in his development.  Neither can be rallied behind.

No one on this roster is capable of replacing Daniel Alfredsson.  It's that simple. 

Wayne Scanlan of the Ottawa Citizen wrote this year that Dany Heatley told him in 2009 that the team was consumed with the "old guard" of the club, and not appreciative of him.  While Heatley has the leadership skills of a lemming, it seems like there might have been some truth in what he said.  The players Ottawa has traded for and then abandoned tell the story: Cory Stillman, Matt Cullen, Andy Sutton.  Jason Smith and Luke Richardson lost to retirement.  Their presence could be used right now, because the "old guard" is not getting it done.  And the team looks lost in the meantime. 

The next time the Senators get in a jam and you find yourself asking, "Who's going to get us out of this one?" you'll be asking yourself the same question the players probably are.  When you come up with the same answer they do (probably something along the lines of, "Uh...") you won't have to worry about any other reasons for the team's failure's this year.   With a roster like this, leadership is the difference between a lottery pick and a playoff spot, and the Senators have shown they don't have it.

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I had big hopes for Giggles this year. Especially after the tear he ended on last year. But getting hurt right at the start of the season wasn’t exactly the start he needed, then with the team sucking around him and now his long term injury…his season is a write off. But I still think he is the next captain, he is skilled enough to put up 90-100 points again. I really want to get him a sniper and then see what he can do.

He is good natured, and knowledgeable about the game, and he is very skilled with the puck and is a beauty to watch him dangle.

Sens fan in Toronto since 2000. (Thank you Martin Havlat).

by Adnan on Jan 11, 2011 8:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I just dont see it that way at all. Spezza is part of the problem in my eyes. He’s giveaway prone and useless on our side of the red line.
The guy is not a leader at all. Besides Fisher, I dont think we have a guy who can step up and take leadership and responsibility.
It sucks to say it, but the Sens are in a huge hole right now and need something big to turn it around

by slutzy on Jan 11, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Spezza COULD be a leader

But he has yet to show he can be.

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by Mark Parisi on Jan 11, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Spezza's shown leadership

When the Healtey trade request broke he was the first guy to speak out and say that though they were friends if Healthy didn’t want to be a part of the team he should get out. None of the guys wearing letters said anything until much later.

He’s always owned criticism and embraced his role as the team’s most valuable and important player. He’s struggled mightily this year, but I still think he was the willingness and ability to lead this team going forward.

Alfie has been an incredible talent for his whole career, and a great teammate I’m sure, but lets not over-rate his leadership. He’s rallied the team with his play time and time again, but really where did that get us? A Conference Final in 03 and the Cup Final in 07, where his defining moment was shooting the puck at Scott Neidermeier.

Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.

by Andrew J on Jan 11, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Great points

He doesn’t shy away from the media or from criticism. We need to see him step up and put this team on his back, though. He seems on his way, but he needs to win some games for this team.

by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 11, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not forgetting that Spezza did those things

But at some point, he’s got to show similar determination on the ice. Otherwise, what he does off of it won’t carry the weight it needs to for him to lead the team.

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by Mark Parisi on Jan 11, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, Giggles seems well coached on manning up in interviews and how to come across well, but it all sounds a little hollow until you back it up by putting the team on your shoulders. On the other hand, the man is not an Alfie or Richards type of player; he’s primarily a playmaker with some goal scoring potential. Alfie skates through a crowd and the puck sticks to him on the way out, he’s hustle and sudden strike and guts. Spezza just isn’t that type of guy.

by Be_rad on Jan 12, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I think that his time on the PK this season has helped him tremendously in his own end. He’s never going to be a Selke winner by any stretch, but I still believe the potential is there for him to become at least consistently competent.

by dzuunmod on Jan 13, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Cory Stillman, Matt Cullen and Andy Sutton

these names prove that murray signed the wrong talent and let the good talent go. and as you said, it’s screwing us now and gonna screw us next season.

by AAZZ on Jan 11, 2011 9:14 AM EST reply actions  

The problem with those 3 is that Murray acquired them, but really didn’t have a plan with which to keep them. Murray is like a guy that buys a big screen TV on credit only to realize rent is due next week and he’ll have to sell it to make ends meet. Picks are the NHL’s credit card and Murray has repeatedly spent them on rental players, then discovered that since he didn’t actually have the money to afford to sign them.

I’d actually be very interested to see all the moves Murray made as GM of the Wings, Panthers and Ducks. Or would those moves be relevant in the salary capped NHL? I know the Wings and Ducks did take a leap forward once he left, but was he making these kinds of trades back then too?

by modsuperstar on Jan 11, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

This is close to being a good point

except that Stillman is kind of like a less talented Alfredsson and I’m not sure Sutton is a guy who could inspire his team with his play. If you want someone who can level a big hit and win a fight to bring his team around, you could argue Chris Neil is that guy, and more offensively talented too. Cullen is an interesting thought though i’ve never heard his name and “leadership” in the same sentence.

However, it’s the right line of thought, in my books. It clearly looks as though Alfie’s brand of leadership is more understated and about what he leaves on the ice. Mark break’s the rest of that down perfectly.

I’m left thinking the Sens need to clear some space (Ha!) and make one good marquis-ish signing, maybe a consistent 70 point guy with strong character. Then surround him with our young guys and role-players and have him bring those kids along, inspire them, kick their asses, etc.

What’s a shame is i get a sense that, if not for the inujuries, Leclaire could have been that guy. He seems to have the personality for it. Unfortunately, he’s got no credibility left and likely couldn’t get a KHL contract right now.

by west-sider on Jan 11, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

If we're looking for a leadership boost

I don’t think any of Cullen, Sutton, or Stillman would have given it to us. None of them are able to put a team on their back and lead by example. Sutton may actually be the closest thing, as his big hits can lead to huge momentum swings, but that can also be a bad thing; his hit on Leopold in the playoffs last year woke Pittsburgh up and they dominated the Sens from there on out. And look how bad Sutton’s been this season.

Not re-signing Cullen was the biggest failure, as he had the highest upside of the three. But Cullen wanted to head to Minnesota, according to reports, so he did. We’d essentially have to offer him a ‘non-hometown’ bonus to get him to stay, which would have been overpaying.

It’s nauseating to know that these picks left and now we’re poorer without them, but that’s what deadline deals do: Bring in a player to improve our chances in that set year.

by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 11, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think any of those three could replace Alfie

But I don’t think we’d have the leadership void we do now with them in the locker room.

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by Mark Parisi on Jan 11, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Sutton is facing all kinds of criticism in Anaheim so far this season.

by dzuunmod on Jan 13, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Same Roster?

The names may have remained mostly the same, but they did all get older and that shouldn’t have been a surprise. In addition, 9MM, AK47 had known injuries and you have to expect the odd superstar being hurt. If I recall discussion board prognostications correctly, there was alot of concern expressed about how slow we were likely to be this season.

One thing that hasn’t been specifically singled out when talking about Murray and his signing of veterans generally is the comparison between his pro scouting and junior scouting success. His junior scouting appears sound. But his assessment of his own pros and the players he is looking at from other teams – at least while he is with Ottawa – has not been very strong at all. What was his record like in pro scouting and signings liek elsewhere?

Tim Murray seems to be responsible for juniors and player development at levels below the NHL. If that is right, then he seems to be a big part of the success BM has had here and elsewhere, since they seem to come as a package. But who is responsible for the pro side? Is it BM himself?

I ask because Tim is one fo the rumours as successor. I’m trying to get a sense of whether he would be a success on the broader scope of that job, and whethr he woudl then be an improvement over BM.

Finally, on Clouston, are his practices professional? Is he well prepared? Are his practices targeted, with high expectations for execution? I recall this being a problem – reported after the fact by our pro sports writers but never before a firing – when we had Paddock and Hartsburg.

by Be_rad on Jan 11, 2011 10:46 AM EST reply actions  

We don't know how strong development has been so far

Although talent recognition on the part of our scouting staff seems remarkable, the Senators still haven’t turned one of the draft picks into an NHLer, Karlsson notwithstanding. It remains to be seen if the Sens’ prospect development system improves players’ chances, keeps them the same, or (heaven forbid) reduces them.

by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 11, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

those are good points. Proof has yet to hit SBP in the form of a full line of prospects turned players. the kid Karlsson seems to be workig out, though:) My vague recollection, though of BM’s previous GM stints was that his drafts were good and his successors managed his picks well, including the right trades including soome of them. And it’s that ability to evaluate what you have and what you need and what the pro player you are considering is worth that he definitely seems to have a harder time with.

by Be_rad on Jan 11, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I seem to remember reports that players were out of shape for Clouston’s practices, and they found his style of practice carried high energy into games. I wonder if that’s still true or if they’re sick of working hard and getting shit results on game day?

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by Mark Parisi on Jan 11, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. As I have complained before, the Sun and Citizen writers and Team 1200 commentators only ever give their opinion on a coach regarding their practices after they’re fired. I want to know right now, before I invest in a fire him or keep him opinion if he is doing a good job not only with playing mind games to motivate players and with line combos. I want to know if he seems to be running a professional program. I can see what he does in a game. I can’t see his practices.

by Be_rad on Jan 11, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

It seemed like he was running a professional program before.

I don’t know why that would have changed.

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by Mark Parisi on Jan 11, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Just from a PR stand point...

…hiring Tim Murray as a replacement for Bryan Murray would be a nightmare for the Sens. It would ring of the Sutter reign in Calgary.

Oh and can you believe the Leafs are tied with us at 38 points yet have a game in hand and one more win? Ugly.

by Czar123 on Jan 11, 2011 11:50 AM EST reply actions  

Tim Murray stays where he is, Bryan moves upstairs into the president role and we bring in a new vision at GM.

by modsuperstar on Jan 11, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes please

Although if the new GM has someone he’d like to bring in as his assistant, he’d need the freedom to do so.

by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 11, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Side note

Has anyone heard the rumours that Pierre McGuire is being considered for the GM spot once Murray will eventually leave at the end of the year?
As much as I would love to not have to hear or see that guy on TV again. I would probably boycot everything Sens until McGuire is inevitably fired and run out of town disgraced.

It was written by Simmonds of the Sun…..so considering the source it’s probably just something he made up while sitting on the can eating potato chips.

by slutzy on Jan 11, 2011 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

I'd be surprised if he wasn't being considered

He’s among the most eligible candidates out there, and has been considered for two other openings in the last 12 months. His connection to the Ottawa area and to the franchise leads me to believe it’s not at all unlikely that he’ll be the man for Ottawa.

by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 11, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

What is his connection to Ottawa?

Sens fan in Toronto since 2000. (Thank you Martin Havlat).

by Adnan on Jan 11, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Assistant coach, regular Team 1200 commentator

by Be_rad on Jan 11, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh hah I didn't know that

Team 1200? Is he local to Ottawa?

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by Adnan on Jan 11, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

He's not local, no

(Although I thought he was, I looked it up, and he’s actually American.)

He’s on every weekday, though. And yes, on TEAM 1200. It’s the only portion of TGOR that I will enjoy listening to.

by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 11, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, I used to listen to Team 1200 a lot

Well the post game stuff anyway, but I haven’t this season. When is he on?

Sens fan in Toronto since 2000. (Thank you Martin Havlat).

by Adnan on Jan 11, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

He may not be a bad choice either.

We all know he loves the young players, of which Ottawa now has a bounty of in the system. Also, he’s a sure bet to go after Gabriel Landeskog, who Bob McKenzie just called “the Swedish Mike Richards.” He also said he’s a sure bet to be an NHL Captain one day, and I think he’d make a fine replacement for Alfie.

by Smiles on Jan 11, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s a question of how well he woudl be received by his peers. He talks about being consulted all the time, but I have no idea if current GMs taek him seriously or not. He talsk a good game, but so do 87% of the people who post on these boards and we have no idea how well he rocks NHL 95 ;)

by Be_rad on Jan 11, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry about the dyslexic typing

by Be_rad on Jan 11, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point

His NHL95 abilities will have to be something discussed in the interviews with the team. But as laughable as his over-the-top analysis can be at times, he’s rarely off-base. I don’t think he’s poorly viewed among GMs around the league, and I get the impression he’s a much more likeable person in an in-person basis, compared to his TV persona. So we’ll see, I guess…

by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 11, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I could be okay with him

As long as he doesn’t give a lot of press conferences. If he goes all Rex Ryan on us…Alfie help us!

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by Adnan on Jan 11, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

NHL 95 is for posers.

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by Mark Parisi on Jan 11, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

RE: Leadership

As a long-time reader of this and many other Sens blogs, I finally decided to register and make a post.

I infinitely agree with Mark’s assessment of the Sens’ lack of leadership. Going in a different direction, I have heard some rumblings from various unnamed players from the locker room that there is a strong LACK of leadership from Alfredsson in the locker room. On the ice, his actions obviously speak for themselves and he often tries to carry the team on his back. Off the ice, however, it’s another story (apparently).

Please understand that I’m not here to start drama, but this is what I’ve been told from a couple of supposedly very reliable sources.

At the end of the day, Alfredsson just wants his minutes. He wants to play a certain amount of minutes a game, whether he’s performing or not, and he’ll quietly end his career in Ottawa without a fuss. Some have said that he is a very selfish person in private and does not have a team-first attitude. Obviously public appearances can be deceiving, but at the same time, I’m sure, as Mark mentioned, the Sens have no true leadership.

Sadly, methinks that no true leadership will emerge until a year or three from now.

by pmedow on Jan 11, 2011 3:11 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks for joining!

And while my impression would suggest that what you’ve heard about Alfie being selfish is wrong, I can’t say I know him personally and so can’t really give reasons to disagree. But I do.

On the other hand, it looks like there is a lack of leadership. And I’d say you’re right: It doesn’t look like we’re going to find a new leader for a while.

by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 11, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know that his lack of presence in the locker room is attributed to selfishness...

I’ve always heard that he’s simply a quiet leader in the locker room, and never been one for speeches and pep talks.

by Smiles on Jan 11, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I've heard this as well

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by Mark Parisi on Jan 11, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, sometimes a leader needs to be more than...silent.

Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.

by Andrew J on Jan 11, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Also,

Why take in Karlsson if he’s selfish off the ice?

by Smiles on Jan 11, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s just what he’s heard. But one thing I’d be willing to bet on is that Alfredsson has grown significantly off the ice in recent years.

Most recently being the Karlsson stewardship, but his work with mental health issues is pretty remarkable. He admitted that when younger, he used to dismiss his sister’s mental health issues with little consideration. But in the past few years he’s become an outspoken spokesperson for mental health issues, and I think it probably meant a lot for his sister for him to take that step.

People change. Maybe that’s happened with Alfredsson.

by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 11, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

My overall impression of Alfie’ career is that it is based as much, if not more, on his hard work, hyper-focus and dedication to getting better. He didn’t come in as a naturally gifted super star; he earned it. My feeling is that if my assessment is correct he probably spent his early years inwardly-focused, not outwardly. As you point out, Peter, maturity, family, success, recognition etc… have probably contributed to or allowed a later growth in outward reflection and consideration. That he has acted on it is a credit to him.

by Be_rad on Jan 11, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it is fair to say that Alfredsson has always focused a lot on what he personally needed to do to help the team and on completing his responsibilities to the best of his ability. He provides a fine example of professionalism for others to follow, but without necessarily cajoling others into doing the same thing he does. You could say he is very “self-focused” or “self-centred”, but I don’t think it is fair to say that he is “selfish”.

by DW19 on Jan 12, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

As I said, it’s just what I heard. Everyone has selfish and unselfish qualities.

by pmedow on Jan 11, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Sens version of Modano

That’s how i see Alfie right now. Staying on with more limited ice-time as an excellent role-player – that would work for me. However, we need that ‘Brad Richards’ in the wings as the obvious successor. That we don’t have that – as has been said many times on this board – is the scariest thing.

If you were BM, would you go with the stable we have, package some picks and salary and go after someone of Brad Richards’ calibre (whoever that is)?

by west-sider on Jan 11, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

and assume that Alfie will end up in Detroit someday too.

by west-sider on Jan 11, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

No, i wouldn't

Alfie has repeatedly shown he is best when he’s fresh.

For me, this means the top priority has to be RW so that he can finish his career on the second line. That would make my top priority Alex Semin no matter what. I’d also be dumping salary wherever I could, and starting to give young guys NHL minutes. That would make my lines:

Regin-Spezza-Semin
Michalek-Fisher-Alfredsson
Z. Smith-Winchester-Butler
O’Brien-Locke-some kid

Don’t know what I’d do with the defense.

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by Mark Parisi on Jan 11, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes please!

We need Semin badly, he would be perfect for this team. Not only would he finally become a goal scorer that we sorely need, he would also make Giggles much more effective. And like you said, let Alfredsson play a more realistic role now.

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by Adnan on Jan 11, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Regin on the top line?

He’d have to take some serious steps for that to happen.

by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 11, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m a believer in the Regin we saw last year. I’m willing to bet that a year with guys like Spezza and Semin will do wonders for him.

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by Mark Parisi on Jan 11, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he can get some of that back. But I mean, 1 goal. That speaks volumes to me.

Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.

by Andrew J on Jan 11, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Regin would be the designated back checker for Spezza and Semin in that scenario. I think his skating and defensive abilities would be sufficient to fill that role. Who cares if he scores. Spezza and Semin should be handling that just fine on their own, possibly with a little support from Karlsson.

by DW19 on Jan 12, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Alfredsson has many many selfless qualities

1) Even in his prime, he played with “lesser” line mates without complaint in order to give the team more depth. A selfish player (such as a certain left winger) might have complained about his reduce role.
2) Alfredsson is a premium penalty killer, which can’t be a very fun job. It is tough work without any realistic chance of offensive reward. Many other start players would rest on the bench until they can play offence, but not Alfredsson.
3) Alfredsson signed a 4 year extension in October 2008 at $4.875/year. This is coming months after he had 40 goals, 49 assists, 89 points, the 2nd best season of his career. He could have gotten much more than that at the time if he wished.
4) The Sens have had so many tough tough playoffs losses, but Alfredsson always faced the media and took the heat. He used to get booed by our own fans, but he took it.

Who are these sources? I am sorry to sound like a jerk but your sources are likely:
a) don’t exist
b) some douchebag at the Ottawa Sun

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by Adnan on Jan 11, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Easy there, Captain Tact

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by Mark Parisi on Jan 11, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's a fair response

I don’t think pmedow would just make it up, but it’s possible the people he heard those rumours from made them up or misconstrued what they heard. It’s amazing what the NHL’s broken telephone can come up with.

by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 11, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

It's fair to ask

But I don’t see the point in calling bullshit before even giving him a chance to answer.

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by Mark Parisi on Jan 11, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone has selfless qualities up to a point

All very good points, Adnan.

However, as a captain, one may be slightly more inclined to set a good example and be on good behaviour. I’m not saying that my sources are correct nor am I saying they’re incorrect. I didn’t come here to start a fight, merely spur a friendly debate and play the devil’s advocate.

1) Complain about playing with “lesser” line mates? Would a stereotypically “good” captain and leader do so? Definitely not, whether they are actually that person or not.
2) An excellent point, but it does not go against his “supposed” request for minutes. At the end of the day, minutes are minutes, be it on the penalty kill or otherwise.
3) I feel that for him, it was a wise choice. He will still get quality minutes and $4.875 million per year isn’t exactly a small sum. Alfredsson has been, like many others this season, has had good games and bad games and hasn’t been the most consistent player. Do you think his ice time would have suffered if he was just another player on another team? Definitely.
4) At the end of the day, Alfredsson HAS to face the media, he’s the captain. If the captain never responded to interview requests or offered his thoughts after a pivotal game/series, I don’t think he would be sending the right message.

It’s okay, you don’t sound like a jerk, you just want some more credible evidence. I can’t provide as such, but I can tell you that my sources are players in the Senators organization. Could they be making it up? Possibly, but why?

I’m a big, albeit silent, critic of anyone employed at the Ottawa Sun, especially their so called “Sports Columnists.”

Anyway, I’m a huge fan of the Sens (win or lose, and I wear my Gonchar jersey proudly lol), and probably frequent this blog as much as anyone here, I just felt I needed to make a comment for once.

by pmedow on Jan 11, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough, although I think that all professional athletes have to have a minimum level of “selfishness” to get to where they are in sports. But, to set a baseline, there are different levels of selfishness:

1/10 – A player takes advantage of another player’s injury to get an opportunity to play

3/10 – A player takes an unreasonably generous contract knowing it will affect his team’s ability to be competitive.

5/10 – A player quits on his team because he doesn’t get something he wants(contract, ice time, preferential parking spot, whatever)

7/10 – A player gives a big donation to charity on the condition that the money is funnelled back to his parents through a backdoor tax scheme.

9/10 – A player produces his own national TV special to announce that he is double-crossing his own hometown team to sign somewhere else as a free agent(Hello Lebron James)

by DW19 on Jan 12, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for joining!

I’m surprised as everyone else to hear that about Alfredsson. He doesn’t give the impression of a selfish player, but I only know what I see from games and interviews.

It seems to me that he wouldn’t continue to be captain if that were the case, though. I mean, if every player were complaining about his lack of leadership, the C would have been given to someone else long ago… right?

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by Mark Parisi on Jan 11, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Tale of two Alfies

I’ve had a mancrush on Alfie since day one, but let’s be honest about something here, too. Up until the Cup run in 07, which was merely 4 years ago, most of Ottawa had very serious questions about his leadership abilities both on and off the ice. He struggled mightily in every playoff series and rarely had an answer off the ice for it. He blows up in 2007 and scores the most famous goal since Duchesne, and all of a sudden it becomes a crime to question anything negative about Alfie.

Again, I adore the guy and what he’s done for us, including multiple hometown discounts and insanely fast injury recoveries. But up until four years ago, half of Ottawa couldn’t care less if we dangled him as trade bait and it was because he couldn’t lead a 100pt team to a championship.

Love him, but it isn’t out of line to bring up his development as a leader before the Cup run.

by Geoff Cheek on Jan 11, 2011 7:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.

by Andrew J on Jan 11, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

The new guy comes through

All good points. And a little dose of reality, the reality of the past, is fair.

I’m not really concerned about Alfie’s leadership, although it may be because I’m a homer for him. The reason Alfie’s leadership was questioned was the playoff failures, but there were also playoff successes. The Stanley Cup Final was obviously the foremost, but there were also the 2003 and 2006 playoff runs, both of which were very impressive. The franchise has won eight playoff rounds, lost 12; that’s much worse than we all would like, but not as bad as it could be.

Seriously though, praise Alfie.

by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 11, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Failed to mention that I do think it’s fair to question his leadership. I’m just not the guy who’s going to do it, although I’ll certainly listen to those who do.

by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 11, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I like you

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by Mark Parisi on Jan 11, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyway...

I don’t know how his development as a leader is necessarily relevant to the overall discussion. Whatever he was then, he IS the leader now, except that he’s not the player he once was — and that’s created a void that’s crippling this team on a nightly basis.

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by Mark Parisi on Jan 11, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

This to me is what suggests that he was only ever a good leader on the ice, all the while being a cypher in the room. Winning cures all problems, but reality sets in eventually.

Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.

by Andrew J on Jan 11, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Suppose say if you added Hossa, Heatley or Havlat to this year’s team along with say Chara or Volchenkov. All of a sudden, I think you would find that Alfredsson had rediscovered his leadership abilities.

I think it is fair to say that he has the ability to lead other good players with his example, but he doesn’t have the inspirational ability to lift so-so players up to a higher level(the way that a Messier or Mike Richards might).

by DW19 on Jan 12, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

The players are just not that good

Yes, the team is pretty much the same as last year (less a couple of departures) but I think last year’s team overachieved. I really believe the players are simply just not that good. Alfredsson, bless his heart, is 38. Phillips, Kovalev, Kuba, Gonchar (I could go on) are well past their prime. Kelly, Fisher, Regin, Foligo — these are all 3rd line players. Enough has been said about goaltending, a perennial Achilles’ heel.

Last year was an aberration and really masked a team that has been in decline since the Stanley Cup Final run. Unfortunately, last year’s relative success provoked a sense of “if we get a couple of more items, and if Leclaire performs like he should, if everything else etc.” That prompted short term band-aid moves when a wholesale rebuild should have happened 3 years ago. Teams like Colorado and Dallas prove the point that “rebuild” doesn’t have to be Edmonton or NYI-type rebuilds that take years and years and years.

by Sens Fan In NYC on Jan 11, 2011 5:53 PM EST reply actions  

fans don't need to support the rebuild

there is no other option. there are going to be some major changes I think.

by sens_24 on Jan 12, 2011 2:52 AM EST up reply actions  

They do to a degree

Ottawa needs in the building.

Sens fan in Toronto since 2000. (Thank you Martin Havlat).

by Adnan on Jan 12, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the owner is a bigger problem than the fans when it comes to rebuilding. I love Melnyk’s support and enthusiasm for the team, but I think it is fair to say that Murray wouldn’t have signed Kovalev(for sure) and Gonchar(most likely) if not for Melnyk’s input. What Murray needs to do is really sell Melnyk on the young guys like Karlsson and Rundblad and the need to pick up more blue chip prospects like them(especially up front).

by DW19 on Jan 12, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know man

Check our attendance when we were good, compared to now. Toronto and Montreal might sell out no matter how bad, but Ottawa will drop to 12k a game if they finish bottom 5 this year and suck again next year.

Sens fan in Toronto since 2000. (Thank you Martin Havlat).

by Adnan on Jan 12, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I am less pessimistic. There are already some good youngsters in the pipeline(Karlsson, Rundblad, Cowen, Lehner), so the team wouldn’t have to be bad for an extended period of time. A couple of top five picks(one may come this season) and couple of wise free agent signings and the Sens could be a team on the rise again in a couple of years.

Every team goes through natural peaks and valleys. The Sens spent a lot of years near the peak, so it is natural that they would be going through a valley later on(ie now and two seasons ago). With competent management and salesmanship the Sens should be able to whether a couple of tough seasons. After all, we have been through a lot worse and come out ok.

by DW19 on Jan 12, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I am optimistic too

I am not writing next season off though, I want to make the playoffs next year. I only recently even gave up on this one.

But we are going to lose a lot of money if we don’t make the playoffs, Melnyk claims we need to make round 2 to break even. Lower attendance in the regular season on top of that would make him lose even more money. And remember, we went bankrupt even when we won the president’s trophy. :/

Sens fan in Toronto since 2000. (Thank you Martin Havlat).

by Adnan on Jan 12, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with your points. My argument is that a season or two near the bottom where we hopefully pick up some top end scoring talent through the draft(to add to our D prospects) and maybe and FA or two is far preferrable to a Leaf-style 5+ year run in the 9-12 spots of the conference.

by DW19 on Jan 12, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Hah well that we can all agree on!

Sens fan in Toronto since 2000. (Thank you Martin Havlat).

by Adnan on Jan 12, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

That seems like a pretty good point

But I think you’re right: By over-achieving last season, the Senators actually did a disservice to the organization by making it look like the team was closer than they really were, both at the trade deadline when we were buyers rather than sellers as well as during free agent frenzy, when we signed a player to put us ‘over the top’ in Gonchar rather than a player to become part of the future.

by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 11, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Melnyk

How come I haven’t seen Melnyk’s name? Culture starts at the top, and he’s often said he’ll do anything to win. (i.e., spend money) I guess you can’t buy the cup after all Eugene!

by Steve Hiemstra on Jan 11, 2011 7:20 PM EST reply actions  

The Euge

Let’s remember that we wouldn’t have a team in town to bitch about if he hadn’t stepped up to the plate. I just hope he stays within himself and hires good hockey people and lets them run things, and not meddle too much

by Be_rad on Jan 11, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Steve has a point...

If what he means is that it’s not enough to throw money at the team and hope a Stanley Cup-winning club results from it, which I think isn’t much different than saying he needs to avoid meddling and hire the right people.

by JonathanA on Jan 12, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Welcome to the site!

I’m not really sure what to blame Melnyk for. Unrealistic enthusiasm?

I suppose you could argue that his willingness to spend to the cap forced Murray to make moves to keep the team winning in order to make a profit, but that seems kind of circular to me.

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by Mark Parisi on Jan 11, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you can blame Kovalev’s signing to a large extent on Melnyk. That’s just my personal opinion from reading the press clippings.

by DW19 on Jan 12, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Back to Semin

So – if we take a pure sniper like Semin, what do we do about the leadership vacuum?

by west-sider on Jan 11, 2011 11:34 PM EST reply actions  

Lidstrom doesn't go rah rah rah either

Talent trumps yelling “Go get ’em boys!”

Sens fan in Toronto since 2000. (Thank you Martin Havlat).

by Adnan on Jan 12, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Semin won't solve our problems.

Having one sniper isn’t going to magically make the rest of the team score. See Heatley.

by sens_24 on Jan 12, 2011 2:53 AM EST up reply actions  

He's one of many parts needed.

Spezza needs someone to set up. Overall, though, we need more skilled speed up front to create space for the back end and to create the conditions where the likes of Foligno and Regin can thrive.

by Be_rad on Jan 12, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

He wont solve all our problems, anyway

But you can’t deny that we need scoring, and badly. Semin solves part of that and keeps Alfie fresher.

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by Mark Parisi on Jan 12, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the real question, isn't it?

You can’t exactly buy leadership. Respect is earned (a big part of Heatley’s problem) so it’s not like we can just slap a C on some free agent and say we’ve fixed the glitch. That’s why I believe losing the veterans like Cullen was so damaging. A veteran, guiding group in the locker room could help us develop new leaders, like Karlsson and Spezza.

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by Mark Parisi on Jan 12, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

You can’t buy leadership, but you can buy talent and that is just as big a hole that the Sens need to fill.

For me, lack of leadership is when you have an outrageously talented team that can’t seem to win because it can’t get on the same page. This Sens team doesn’t have enough talent for leadership to make the defining difference. You could put an in-his-prime Mark Messier on this team and I would be surprised to see them get past the first round of the playoffs.

I would argue that this leadership debate is premature as long as the team lacks the talent needed to win.

by DW19 on Jan 12, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

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