Marc Savard has reportedly waived his NMC to allow potential trade to Ottawa
by DarrenM on Jun 26, 2010 10:58 PM EDT
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PrintWith the recent addition of prospect Tyler Seguin, the Boston Bruins have too much talent at centre. For some strange reason, they want to solve that problem by trading 33-year-old Ottawa native Marc Savard, who just finished signing a cap-friendly lifetime contract last season. Oddly enough, Sportsnet is reporting that the two teams that Savard has given the Bruins permission to trade him to before July 1st are two division rivals, the Ottawa Senators and Toronto Maple Leafs.
This rather unexpected situation means there are two questions that Bryan Murray has to ask himself:
- Do the Senators want Marc Savard?
- Do the Senators have the assets needed to make a pitch for him?
At first glance, the answer to the first question seems as though it'd undoubtedly be yes -- the Senators would have an incredible 1-2 punch of Spezza-Savard down the middle, going from a team that has never had a true-blue second line centre to a team with two first line centres. Pretty good, right? Unfortunately, add in Mike Fisher and Chris Kelly's contracts and the team would also have over $17M locked up in 4 centres. Considering the Bruins are unlikely to want either Kelly or Fisher due to their wealth of talented pivots, it might make for a bad salary structure for the Senators going forward.
The other concern with Savard is his health. He'll be 33 at the start of this season and on a long-term contract. He's also coming off a season where he played only 41 games and suffered several serious injuries. These are a few red flags that Murray would no doubt have to seriously consider before making any trade. Regardless, Savard is still a fantastic player, and one that the Senators are no doubt extremely interested in -- until they realize what it would take to get him.
This ties in to the answer to the second question. Obviously, Boston would not be interested in Jason Spezza or Mike Fisher. Potential trade bait would likely include a top pick in next year's draft and players like Milan Michalek, Peter Regin, Nick Foligno, Filip Kuba, Jared Cowen, or David Rundblad. While the Senators likely could make up an appetizing package to trade to Boston, any trade including a combination of these players and a draft pick or two would have a detrimental effect on Ottawa going forward. The Senators don't lack centres -- they lack young wingers and veteran defensemen. Despite Savard's incredible talent, he is an assist-man, not a goal scorer. He can't win without quality wingers to put the puck in, and any trade involving Ottawa would likely have to involve one of the few young, skilled wingers the Senators have. Furthermore, as much as Sens fans complain about Kuba in his own end, he's still the team's only veteran puck-moving defencemen, and their blueline would be even weaker without him.
Looking at all of the drawbacks to making a trade for Savard -- not to mention that the Bruins can wait until after July 1st for more teams to get into the bidding action -- it just seems extremely unlikely. Sure, it'd be great to see Savard playing for his hometown team, but I'd say the odds of it are extremely slim.
Wait, what about trading Milan Michalek, Jonathan Cheechoo, and a second round pick for him? The Bruins would be stupid not to take it!
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I would love to see Savard in a Sens uniform
I just don’t see how the two teams could work out a deal to make it happen. And like you said, Darren, both Savard and Spezza produce better with shooters alongside them; we don’t really have one, let alone the four these two would excel alongside.
by Peter Raaymakers on Jun 26, 2010 11:09 PM EDT reply actions
I imagine Kovalev shooting much more frequently next year
If he is alongside someone like Savard. He is but two seasons removed from 35 goals on 230 shots playing with Plekanec.
Alfie has been known to snipe from time to time as well as his 40 goals on 217 shots in 2008 suggest, although it’s difficult to label him as shooter. Its difficult to label him as anything, really, because he does everything.
And hey, with a rocket like this, who knows.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMy9x2kun1g
1. Shit yes.
2. We wouldn’t likely have to give up a ton. Boston would be looking to make cap room, and might take someone like Regin, plus a highish pick in return.
But who knows. It’ll happen if it happens. Never a dull moment in a Senators off-season.
Dress Foligno up in a #43 jersey, dye his hair blond...
They’ll never know the difference.
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by Ryan Classic on Jun 27, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I dont want to give up regin either, but will he ever put up over 70 points?
http://ottawasconsensus.blogspot.com/
Yes
Unless Ottawa gets a better centre
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by Alexander Calloway on Jun 27, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think the question was would he be PLAYING on the second line
I think it was whether Savard would get 70 points playing on the Sens’ second line. It’s a good question.
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If Fisher can have a career year with Kovy
Then Savard can for sure land 70 points on the 2nd line.
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by Alexander Calloway on Jun 27, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
kovalev and michalek with savard in the middle would be line 1A IMO. Savard is a gamer, one of the most underrated point getters in the league. he would def get at least 70 points playing in between those two. and a 4.2 million dollar cap hit for a ppg C? that’s incredible.
as for waiting till july 1st for more bidders, i don’t think he’d waive his no trade for any other teams other than Toronto or Ottawa. so it looks like ottawa and toronto are the only two suitors. depending on what Boston wants for him, I think Ottawa would be very wise in exploring the situation.
Foligno, Lee, and a pick? as of right now, foligno seems to be the odd man out in our depth chart. I think Ottawa will do fairly well this year anyways, so the pick would be a late one…no Tyler Seguin situation here.
The problem with giving them Foligno and Lee is that it doesn't give ourselves a lot of cap relief
We’d have to move some other players or not re-sign some of our UFAs to make it work. I’m not sure I’m OK with that with Volchenkov already leaving.
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The Sens already said he's not going to be signed
Perhaps a three way trade with Boston?
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by Alexander Calloway on Jun 27, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking more of Sutton and Cullen.
I know Android is leaving. :(
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Let them walk
They’re cap killers
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by Alexander Calloway on Jun 27, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Hater
Sutton/Karlsson would be great for one more year.
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by Ryan Classic on Jun 27, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Hate Bettman
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by Alexander Calloway on Jun 27, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
For instituting the cap?
Hate all you want for how it forces teams to lose players, and how it puts the kibosh on the quantity and quality of trades, but the strategic element it brings is worth the inability for the Rangers to build a $95,000,000 payroll with 30% of it going to Chris Drury.
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by Ryan Classic on Jun 27, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
No way, he's got a point
Bettman cost everyone a year of hockey for “cost certainty” but the floor of the cap has already surpassed the original ceiling. What the fuck is the point of that if the whole goal was to protect small market teams?
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by Mark Parisi on Jun 28, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
revenue sharing
wasn’t that a big part of the CBA? it seems so long ago that i don’t remember the details and will probably never fully understand how the revenue sharing fully works, but wasn’t that one of the key points in their “way” of protecting small market teams?
good point on the cap situation with giving up lee and foligno also but if savard were to come to ottawa, i wouldn’t be expecting cullen back, sad as that would be.
The cap doesn't work
No matter how even you try to make it, the smart teams always win, and the dumb teams always lose.
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by Alexander Calloway on Jun 28, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Erm, isn't that a good thing?
Unless you’re describing it wrong. Seems like smart winning is the way to go.
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by Ryan Classic on Jun 28, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not following
Are you saying the salary cap is intended to allow dumb teams to win? I don’t think that was the intent of it.
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Aside from Detroit I wouldn’t say the smart teams are winning. It’s the teams that bottomed out for 5 years and loaded up on high draft picks that have been rewarded by winning the Cup. Pittsburgh to the finals 2 years in a row, Chicago winning the Cup. Washington winning the Presidents Trophy. Phoenix all of the sudden becoming a contender. Just shows the only way to win in the NHL these days is to subject your fans to 5 years of horrible hockey, then reward them with a Cup win 3 years later before the lineup loaded with top picks explodes because they all want star money.
I’m not bitter or anything.
by modsuperstar on Jun 28, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup
Its wild. Logistics are wild, dont get me wrong. Obviously the complimentary players arnt there yet. But the cap coming off the the books in the immediate future sez yes. Hell yes.
Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.
IT's be awesome to hav e a true 2nd centreman
it’d help spezza out alot. but we also don’t really have a sniper on the wing. but most teams who won stanly cup yhave 2 good centermen. so savard will help win cup
sorry i’m drunk
Savard isn't really what you'd call a number two centreman
The guy is about the quietest top-10 point getters around. Hell of a passer. Has no respect. I hear he’s a bit of a hot head, but he’s not a number two guy. This was the first season since 03-04 he wasn’t a point-per-game guy. And to be fair, the Bruins had shite for shooters this season.
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by Ryan Classic on Jun 27, 2010 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions
And to be honest, his wingers this year could/would be Kovalev and Michalek
Who arent really slouches
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I would love it, but I don't see how the teams could make it work.
Foligno and Kuba are really the only players we can offer them and that’s so lopsided I can even believe I just wrote it.
It would also make it harder for us to re-sign Cullen and Sutton and acquire a free agent like Z. Michalek. With Kovalev coming off the books next year, it’s tempting. Damn tempting. Are we willing to give up a first round pick along with those players? Savard is definitely better than anyone we can draft in the first round next year, but that decision hinges on where the team thinks their forward prospects are at with their development. I’d love to know what the management team thinks.
I guess I would trade for him, if only to keep him away from Toronto. Foligno, Kuba, and a 1st rounder. Cross the bridge of the winger worries when you get to it.
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Oh, man, can you imagine?
Z. Smith. Z. Michalek. We’d be the tops in the league when it comes to guys named Z! We’d have two of them? We’d be Z. Z. Top!
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by Ryan Classic on Jun 27, 2010 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope Ottawa runs the table on Michaleks this summer
that’d be pretty sweet.
I am AWESOME! Are you?
An actual 2nd line Centre?
Yes please!!!!!
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by Alexander Calloway on Jun 27, 2010 1:02 PM EDT reply actions
Seriously, dude?
1. Marc Savard is a 1st line center. He would be number two on our team because of Spezza.
2. Mike Fisher led the team with 25 goals. He also led the team in game winning goals. He was third on the team in total points. He was second on the team in power play goals. He’s also a former Selke Trophy finalist. His statistics have gone up every year, except 2008-09, which was a down year for the entire team.
3. I did a rundown of every 2nd line center in the NHL currently using the criteria above. None of them led their teams in goals or GWG. SBN crashed the breakdown of all 29 other 2nd line centers before I could post it, but here are the centers who were either third (or better) in points, led the team in PPG or PPA, or had a major trophy nomination or win at some point in their careers:
David Krejci
Tim Connolly
Matt Duchene
Henrik Zetterberg
Scott Gomez
Chris Drury
Evgeni Malkin
Vincent Lecavalier
Ryan Kesler
What, specifically, do you think an “actual” second line center does that Fisher did not do last year?
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He's only proven himself to be a 40-45 point guy
He’s proven that he and Chris Neil can score together (especially on the powerplay) and he scored only two more goals than Spezza (who played only 60 games while Fisher played 79) and had one more game winning goal than Spezza too. This is a career year for Fisher, but it isn’t that much higher than the rest of his career numbers.
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by Alexander Calloway on Jun 27, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but it is in line with or better than just about every number two center last year.
The 60+ point guys on second lines are rarer because they don’t get as much ice time.
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by Mark Parisi on Jun 28, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude... analyzing Fisher based solely on points is bonkers
Fisher’s worth cannot be summed up by simply looking at the basic offensive production stats (although finishing 36th in points among centres is a pretty clear stat- looks like a good 2nd line centre to me).
Among the leagues centres, take a look at where Fisher ranks in hits (2nd), blocked shots (4th), posts hit (2nd-ha!), faceoffs won (19th), faceoff percentage (28th), shots (21st) etc etc. Point is, look past points if you want to avoid sounding like a ‘casual fan’.
Furthermore, Neil has proven that he plays alongside Ruutu and Kelly, so whatever dynamic you’re getting at there is irrelevant.
Really good points
They kinda make the name-calling unnecessary, yes?
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It was intended to be tongue-in-cheek!
I think Crook copyrighted that one a few months back.
Yeah, but I think that's one we should give him a mulligan on.
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I think what Mark is trying to say, is...
Fisher puts up the numbers to compare against other 2nd-line centres in the NHL, and looks damn handsome doing it.
I mean, if we didn’t have Fisher, who would keep up the gorgeous duties? Regin is solid, but not quite there yet.
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by Ryan Classic on Jun 28, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Comrie does have Duff
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by Alexander Calloway on Jun 28, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Is Spezza's wife famous?
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by Alexander Calloway on Jun 28, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Alix has a friend who was Spezza's wife's roommate in university.
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by Ryan Classic on Jun 28, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Before you die, there is something you should know about us, Lone Star
I am your father’s brother’s nephew’s cousin’s former roommate.
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Snicker
Well-played, sir.
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by Ryan Classic on Jun 28, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a friend whose sister was courted by Spezza
She didn’t date him because all he talked about was hockey.
Not outside of Ottawa
But she is good looking.
by Peter Raaymakers on Jun 28, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Not only do they compare, they compare favorably
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Oh look at you!
Yeah, Fisher is grinder and is usually top of the league in hits and blocked shots. And? Scott Nichol lead centres in hits and Chris Drury lead in blocked shots, are they second liners?
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by Alexander Calloway on Jun 28, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Forget about those guys
Point is, if Fisher is putting up legitimate 2nd line offensive numbers, AND making it incredibly difficult for the Brandon Dubinskys and the Joe Pavelskis to play against him via faceoff wins, shot blocks, and crushing hits, well, it becomes mighty difficult to label him a career 3rd liner, doesn’t it?
When he averages 45 points a year
Yeah, it actually is pretty easy.
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by Alexander Calloway on Jun 28, 2010 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think you have a good idea of what other second line centers are putting up in terms of points
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In terms of being a legitimate 2nd liner
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by Alexander Calloway on Jun 28, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't even know what that means.
Are you going to call around and let NHL GMs their second line centers, who actually played NHL games on actual NHL second lines, are not “legitimate” because they don’t meet your arbitrary point numbers?
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Stop overrating this season!
Yes, he put up 50+ this year, but Dany Heatley has put up two years of scoring 100 points, and hasn’t done so since 06-07. You think Heatley’s going do that again?
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by Alexander Calloway on Jun 28, 2010 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not overrating, I'm speaking purely in terms of fact
What I think about Heatley is irrelevant. What I think about Fisher is irrelevant.
The facts are that Fisher was third on the team in points, led the team in goals, game winning goals, and was second in powerplay goals. There are nine 2nd line centers in the league who did something similar for their teams last year. Fisher’s 53 points are better than most 2nd line centers in the NHL.
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Fact: Fisher is a capable 2nd liner who garnered widespread consideration for Team Canada 2010
Fact: Fisher would be a DOPE third line centre behind Savard and Spezza.
Bloody hell!
And looking at his career numbers, 53 points isn’t really that high off his career average.
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by Alexander Calloway on Jun 28, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
You're right about that
But 53 points is right in line with what other second line centers are putting up in the NHL, which is my whole point. Guys in the 70-80 point range aren’t 2nd line centers, they’re first line centers. Savard is a first liner on most teams; so is Plekanec.
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Not only is Fisher a pretty good 2nd centre, but he's the 1st-line centre in overtime
Guy was tied for tops in the league for overtime winners with Derek Roy and Shane Doan
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by Ryan Classic on Jun 28, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, Chris Drury was New York's second line center behind Erik Christensen all year
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Was he still on the 2nd line when they traded for Olli Jokinen?
Or did they move him?
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by Alexander Calloway on Jun 28, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
He finished the year on the third line
He also put up 50P in 82G, so I’m not sure how that helps your argument, since Fisher’s numbers were better.
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Kinda hard to compare to 2nd since Jokinen was traded
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by Alexander Calloway on Jun 28, 2010 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions
That's convenient
Why bring him up if you didn’t want to compare them?
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I asked a question
Sorry if I don’t follow the New York Rangers, and not know what line Olli Jokinen.
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by Alexander Calloway on Jun 28, 2010 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions
You ignored shots, faceoff percentage, faceoff wins
You also ignored my points above. There were just nine 2nd line centers who did for their teams what Fisher did for Ottawa last year.
You keep saying he is a 40-45 point player, except he’s only been below 45 points once in the last 5 years.
Still curious.. What, specifically, do you think an "actual" second line center does that Fisher did not do last year?
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But I guess that makes Patrice Bergeron the only ‘actual’ second line centre in the league then.
It's a lot more than one year
You can’t just say “Hey he had one season where he was one of best 2nd liners, thus he’s a legitimate 2nd liner!” Look at Tomas Plekanec, he has put up around 70 points on the 2nd line in the past three years. He takes offensive pressure of the starting centre, and can step up and play first line when the starter is out. Fisher is 30 at the start of season, and from I see this is just fluke season. Just like Fishers last season.
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by Alexander Calloway on Jun 28, 2010 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd say his 09 season was the fluke
He has been a prorated 50+point player for many years now, it’s only a matter of playing full seasons.
Do you really feel that leading the team in goals and being second in power play goals — remember, he plays on a different PP unit — didn’t take offensive pressure off of Spezza? What more were you looking for Fisher to do?
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You're giving him too much credit!
Ottawa is an average goal scoring team and for a long time had a really awful powerplay.
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by Alexander Calloway on Jun 28, 2010 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions
All I'm doing is stating fact. There's no credit or discredit being given.
What does Ottawa’s “average” goal scoring have to do with Fisher taking pressure off of Spezza? Obfuscate all you want, because you can’t refute any of the facts.
I’ve made my point over and over here, so I’m not going to beleaguer it any further after this. You’re entitled to your opinion, but you haven’t said or shown anything to prove that Fisher is not an “actual” second line center.
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In retrospect,
Reuniting Fish and Neil would be dope. I take that one back as well.
I imagine Kovalev actually shoots the puck next year,
If he is alongside someone like Savard. He is but two seasons removed from 35 goals on 230 shots playing with Plekanec.
Alfie has been known to snipe from time to time as well as his 40 goals on 217 shots in 2008 suggest, although it’s difficult to label him as shooter. Its difficult to label him as anything, really, because he does everything.
And hey, with a rocket like this, who knows.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMy9x2kun1g
Savard: One Of My Favourite Players
Seeing him play for my favourite team would be incredible. However, how does he fit onto the depth chart?
Spezza
Savard
Fisher
Kelly
Spezza and Savard are both true 1st-line centres, while Fisher is a true 2nd-liner. Shame on those of you who disagree! He’s not getting paid $4 million to play on the 3rd line.
Ultimately, I think Parisi is bang on for the best reason to get him: To keep him away from Toronto.
Kovy is being paid more than Alfie and he's on the 2nd line.
Fisher before this year never finished a year with more than 50 points.
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by Alexander Calloway on Jun 27, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a good point
Salary shouldn’t determine players’ roles. But Fisher is a true 2nd line center, as I’ve pointed out above. Most 2nd line centers in the NHL are at or below the 50 point mark, and the ones that had seasons like Fisher’s last year are pretty big names.
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Yeah, but Fisher has had only one year above 50
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by Alexander Calloway on Jun 27, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He's also improved his numbers every year.
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by Mark Parisi on Jun 28, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Not really
05-06: 44 (22G/22A)
06-07: 48 (22G/26A)
07-08: 47 (23G/24A)
08-09: 32 (13G/19A)
09-10: 53 (25/28A)
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by Alexander Calloway on Jun 28, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Trading for a player just to keep him away from another team is a poor and reactionary way to do business, to say the least.
Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.
No doubt about that
Unless it benefits yourself, spite is a pointless business tactic.
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Would Savard work out?
Keeping him away from Toronto isn’t necessarily a good reason to get him… although if Toronto pairs him up with Kessel that could be problematic. Imagine what Kessel could do with Savard instead of… umm… whoever it was he played with.
How would Fisher look on the wing? Maybe on the wing with Savard?
I don't think the team can afford to keep Fisher if they got Savard
Fisher would be outstanding on the third line, but with the cap, it’s not a luxury the team can afford.
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I think a move like this is whether Ottawa wants to load up and have a run this year and next to try and win with Alfie in the lineup, or stay the course and build with youth and win in 3-4 years. I think every Sens fan would love to see Ottawa win the Cup with Alfie in the lineup and that window of possibility is closing.
Could be done...
what people are saying is true both Savard and Spezza are better with scores around them, but people are forgetting both Michalek and Fisher can score! we wouldnt even have to give up THAT much, think about it as long as the Bruins get good depth they will be happy, because they will be saving money. I say gived them Brian Lee, Chris Kelly or Jesse Winchester and a 1st round pick next year and a 2nd roun in 2 years (spread it out a bit) that is a fair trade for both teams… and Ottawa would have a very strong Offence:
Michalek-Spezza-Alfredsson
Fisher-Savard-Kovalev
Foligno-Regin-Shannon
Rutuu-Kelly or Winchester or someone form AHL- Neil.
Also our 1st line is good it was good this year, and both Kovalev and Fisher would score a lot more goals with a center like Savard, and im sure Fisher wouldnt mind going LW in order to score more goals…
Fisher at the wing has never worked in the past
In order to be effective he needs to have the freedom playing the pivot allows him. Also, IMO the Spezza+Michalek experiment is over. In all the games they played together last year they never managed to show anything more than slight, fleeting chemistry. I dont see any point in further trying to force the issue.
Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.
Totally agree
Regin showed more chemistry with Spezza in two months than Michalek did all year. I’d love to see what Michalek, Fisher, and Kovalev can do together.
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Perfer Fisher worked with Neil
Those two are great together.
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by Alexander Calloway on Jun 27, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't want to break up Ruutu-Kelly-Neil
If we were to get Savard and make a new line of Ruutu-Fisher-Neil, I wouldn’t hate that at all, though.
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No, of course they wouldn't
But there’s other teams we could try to trade Kelly to.
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You're right, but we'd need to shed a C regardless.
In my mind there is a market for Chris Kelly outside of the Boston trade scenario. $2.125 cap hit for a top end PKer who pots 30+ points a season is reasonable. Not to mention, 6 points in 6 playoff games against Jordan Stall’s line? Telling stat for sure. Kelly is all of a sudden a decent commodity, and if Fish is relegated to the 3rd line, Kelly is of no use as a 4th liner at that price tag.
If I were Murray I’d ship Kelly to a team in desperate need of PK help. Hell, the Leafs are in last place in that category, pick up one of them no name wingers in return!
Draft picks. We don't need more bodies.
If we could get a third for Kelly, that would be a major coup.
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sorry to confuse
that comment about Boston not wanting another C was directed at jojo33’s original post suggesting Ottawa trade Kelly to Boston.
regin will not be third line, at least not to start the year. he’ll likely not be an incredibly consistent first liner, but he’s top two line material. i think a whole line shuffle is in order as we really need someone who can play well with kovalev. i think we ought to focus on lining up people who can actually understand and play his style of game. he does so many things well but it really gets lost without an elite player to either get it to him or receive his odd plays
Name me three players who played well with Kovalev.
I genuinely can’t think of three after Mario Lemieux.
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by Ryan Classic on Jun 27, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Was he that good with Kostitsyn(s)?
Plekanec was on my list.
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by Ryan Classic on Jun 27, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Fisher seemed to benefit from Kovalev more than the other way around
I thought Regin had the best chemistry with Kovalev this past year. But he also has great chemistry with Spezza, so basically, he’s awesome.
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On the rare non-powerplay occasions that Spezza and Kovalev were on the ice together, they both knew where to be in order to plug up the flaws in each others styles. Although Kovalev doesn’t have the legs for a first liner in this league, his chemistry with Spezza was friggin insane. Just sayin’.
We had a power play this season?
Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.
In April. It was awesome. You would've liked it.
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by Ryan Classic on Jun 28, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Foligno, Shannon, Butler and Lee for Savard.
Bruins get some cheap depth wingers and a 3rd pairing defenseman with potential, plus cap space.
As for the Sens cap, assuming you make the following re-signings:
Matt Cullen: 4 years/2.250 million per
Peter Regin: 3 years, 2 million per
Chris Campoli: 1 year, 1.000 million per
Jesse Winchester 1 year, 0.650 per
That leaves about 2.365 million to sign a 13th forward and 4th and 7th defensemen
Why overspend on UFA defenseman when you now have Cowen, Weircoch and Rundblad coming through the pipeline? But if you can move Kuba and re-sign Sutton, all the better.
Regin-Spezza-Alfredsson
Fisher-Savard-Kovalev
Michalek-Cullen-Smith
Ruutu-Kelly-Neil
Phillips-Karlsson
Kuba-
Campoli-Carkner
by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Jun 27, 2010 10:27 PM EDT reply actions
Faults
I’m not so sure Winchester takes .65 for one year. I think he’ll want more, and longer. I also don’t see Regin taking that deal. I think it’ll be a little more. Cullen will want, and deserve, more. He was at 2.9 last season and he will get more on the open market.
Also, I’m assuming Campoli’s agent reads the blog, so he’ll have my rationale for Campoli as “MVP” and use that to his advantage in contract negotiations. Sorry, everyone. My bad.
Your four lines don’t include Winchester, who you’ve already indicated will re-sign, yet you want the 13th forward. Pretty sure you have one right there. I’ll consider that an accidental oversight and leave it at that.
Michalek on the 3rd line won’t fly, not at 4.3.
Finally, Butler’s not getting traded this early. That’s almost as bad as the Hossa bait-and-switch. You want players to sign in Ottawa in the future. That’s not how you do it. Z. Smith on the third line is generous.
I don’t see this lineup taking place ever.
Good breakdown, though.
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by Ryan Classic on Jun 27, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not so sure Winchester needs to be re-signed
I don’t really think he brings much to the table. I’d rather have Z. Smith in there any day.
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With you on that.
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by Ryan Classic on Jun 28, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Winchester's in any position to make contract demands
He just hasn’t made a name for himself anywhere else, and he’s an RFA. One year at $650k would be great for him, if he can get it.
by Peter Raaymakers on Jun 28, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Savard is worth a young roster player and a good pick.
And yes, management must seize this opportunity! Imaging having 11 million tied up in two ppg centres… sure beats the Detroit or Pittsburgh model in terms of economics!
Plus the dude is from Ottawa, and it weakens a divisional opponent (two if you count the lost opportunity for Toronto- such a good selling point as mentioned before).
It still doesn't leave us a lot of money to replace Volchenkov
We’re squeezing the cap if we can pull it off.
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Oh yeah.
I meant to add… Chris Kelly actually lived up to his ridiculous 2 milli + contract this past season, and especially after his ppg performance in the playoffs. His stock will never be higher, and he’s expendable if Savard is coming to town. Trade him elsewhere for a pick or a young inexpensive forward.
Pass.
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by Ryan Classic on Jun 28, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
You don't want to trade Kelly?
Me neither. He’s a valuable player. He earned his money this past season, will most definitely earn it again this coming season, and it’s now—in the later portion of the four-year contract—that we finally start seeing greater value than we could get with that money on someone else. Or at least close to.
by Peter Raaymakers on Jun 28, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
So then the big question is: If the Senators trade for Savard, do they have to trade Mike Fisher?
He’s a valuable player, but Kelly is worth the money we’re paying him on the third line.
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Not at all!
The point in acquiring Savard is improving our depth at centre, so keeping Fisher and Kelly as our third- and fourth-line centres, respectively, makes us that much better. Spending $4M on Savard and $4M on Fisher would be similar to spending $6M on a second-line centre and $2M on a third-liner, except the guys we have are both better—and Savard’s cap-friendly contract allows for us to pay the third-line centre more.
by Peter Raaymakers on Jun 28, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
All right, I'll buy that.
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by Mark Parisi on Jun 28, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
No, pass.
Like Kelly always does.
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by Ryan Classic on Jun 28, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
No it doesn't.
But as GM in my own mind, this team’s defense is being built through the draft. I’m not spending millions on older guys when I have Cowen, Weircoch and Rundblad on the way.
by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Jun 29, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
That was a mistake.
Winchester is the 13th forward. That means more room for the two defensemen. I re-signed him and then forgot him!
I don’t see him making all that much…he’s a fringe player right now. Bump it up to 0.75o if you want.
That number for Cullen was in the rumour mills. Apparentley he’d take less money for more term. He’s not exactly a spring chicken.
Michalek is on the third line because he doesn’t fit with Spezza. I suppose you could put him with Savard and Kovalev and Put Fisher with Cullen and Neil. Then you have Ruutu, kelly and Smith on the fourth line.
I see your point about Butler. I just put him in to sweeten the deal for Boston.
Smith could be a 3rd liner. He’s not much for offense but his grit and energy would give him a spot on my third line, unless there’s a better option.
by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Jun 29, 2010 12:43 AM EDT reply actions
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