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Senators RFA Dossier: Jesse Winchester

Today we'll take a look at restricted free agent forward Jesse Winchester. Finding comparables for Winchester was a tough call, but I've found a few players who might offer good comparisons.


Jesse Winchester

#18 / Center / Ottawa Senators

6-1

203

Oct 04, 1983



GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2009 - Jesse Winchester 52 2 11 13 -1 22 0 1 0 0 77 2.6

Contract status: Winchester was signed out of college as a free agent, and he made $525k in his first season and $575k in his second. His first contract was a one-way deal, although he spent a few games in the AHL on a conditioning assignment.

Season review: It sure looks like Winchester was grossly mis-cast as a playmaker when he signed with the Senators, but he has settled nicely into a checker's role on the fourth line. His production on a per-game basis increased slightly in his second season, despite missing plenty of action due to an early-season injury. Once the end of the season rolled around, Winch had basically been usurped as the fourth-line centre by Zack Smith, and was held pointless in the playoffs.

Comparable players: It was tough to find comparable guys to Winchester, but I pulled a few of them out of the pool. Ideally, I was looking for forwards with similar offensive output earned in a similar role. Here are a few of them...

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Andrew Murray

#17 / Center / Columbus Blue Jackets

6-2

216

Nov 06, 1981

Cap hit: $635k, one more season


Similar to Winchester, Murray went through the NCAA before turning pro, but he played a couple full seasons in the AHL before joining the Blue Jackets. In parts of the last three NHL seasons, though, Murray's put up very similar numbers to Winchester. Before last season, Murray signed a three-year deal worth $1.875M, at a cap hit of $625k per season. That seems like a pretty reasonable estimate of what Winchester might get.


Kirk Maltby

#18 / Left Wing / Detroit Red Wings

6-0

195

Dec 22, 1972

Cap hit: UFA


Don't get me wrong, I don't think Winchester is the player Kirk Maltby is, but I think it's a reasonable estimation of his career potential, based on what we've seen so far. And if that is the case, Winchester would likely be looking at a second contract with a similar salary like Maltby's most recent contract, which paid him $950k in the first two seasons but had a cap hit of $883k. Maltby's a more penalized player than Winchester, but their offensive statistics are pretty similar. If Winchester develops his game to become an even more effective grinder and agitator, he might get a contract similar to Maltby's 2002-2007 multi-million dollar deal, but he's a ways off that now.


Andy Hilbert

#19 / New York Islanders

5-11

194

Feb 06, 1981

Cap hit: UFA


Hilbert's a bit older than Winchester, and his statistics are actually a little bit better. But one key reason why Hilbert might be a good comparable: His two-way contract. Before last season, Hilbert signed a one-year, two-way contract with the Minnesota Wild; he spent most of the year with the AHL's Houston Aeros, though. It wouldn't be Winchester's preferred scenario, but it's possible he'll have to accept a two-way deal in order to get a contract done.


Marcel Goc

#9 / Center / Nashville Predators

6-1

202

Aug 24, 1983

Cap hit: $775k, one more season


Even though they're the same age, Goc has a few more NHL seasons than Winchester under his belt, but he's put up similar numbers (on a per-game basis) in a similar role. Last season was Goc's best in the NHL, and he put up 12G and 18A in 73GP to earn a one-year contract extension with a $775k cap hit. And if it takes a career-year like that to earn a contract like that, Winchester's salary would likely fall below Goc's.


Matt Pettinger

#13 / Left Wing / Vancouver Canucks

6-1

205

Oct 22, 1980

Cap hit: UFA


Pettinger has just come off a one-year, two-way deal with the Canucks. Most of his time was spent with the Manitoba Moose, and he put up decent AHL numbers. Pettinger is a few years older than Winchester, and he's got similar production rates, and seems to be the kind of grinder 'tweener that Winchester has looked like so far in his career.

Conclusion: If there's one thing these comparable players show us, it's that Winchester's not going to have much job security in the NHL. The Maltby situation is the exception to the rule, especially given the evolution of the new NHL: Winchester will virtually always be playing for his next contract, and may have to take a lower salary or a two-way contract to get a deal signed. I think GM Bryan Murray will push for a two-way contract in the negotiations, and if he can get one, I imagine it could be a two-year deal with an NHL salary around $700-750k per season. The two-way nature would allow for a slightly longer term and slightly higher NHL salary than the one-way deal would, so it might be a catch-22 that Winchester needs to decide on.

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My two cents...

With our Kelly-Ruutu-Neil line, if he doesn’t sign a two-way, let him go. It is always best to bargain from a position of strenght. At this present moment, he is a injury replacement or a depth guy.

by Bikini Cowboy on May 28, 2010 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I think he's a little superfluous at the moment

At least in his current role. I’d like to see him stick around, but he’s kind of being outbattled right now.

Still, he’s an asset; sending him on his way is poor management. If we can trade him for anything, awesome. But I hope he’s down with a two-way contract.

by Peter Raaymakers on May 28, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t really see him as an asset in any meaningful sense. He’d be nice to have signed to a minor league deal, but if that’s not possible I don’t see anything wrong with letting him walk.

Guys with similiar skill sets to JW can be signed well into the summer and even through training camp, much like your boy Dean McAmmond was a few years back.

Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.

by Andrew J on May 29, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comparable: Rod Pelley

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by DarrenM on May 28, 2010 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I was totally going to do that!

But the intangibles Rod Pelley brings just made it a ridiculous comparison. I figured Parisi would scoff at any attempt to do so.

by Peter Raaymakers on May 28, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha

They are actually really similar players. Big, strong centremen who play well on the boards, went undrafted and then signed as free agents after good college careers.

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by DarrenM on May 29, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're smoking crack

Why not just throw Gretzky out there as a comparable? Jesse Winchester could have a mutant superpower that manifested three of himself on the ice and he wouldn’t even approach the greatness of Rod Pelley

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by Mark Parisi on May 29, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather keep him..

If we assume:

Regin-Spezza-Alfredsson
Michalek-Fisher-Kovalev
Ruutu-Kelly-Neil
Foligno-Smith-

Winchester is a much better option for that 4than line than Ryan Shannon. Unless Matt Cullen is re-signed, Winchester is probably the best option.

by GelatinousMutantCoconut on May 29, 2010 1:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm with you

It’s a little too bad we already have Shannon under contract.

by Peter Raaymakers on May 29, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hate seeing Foligno on the fourth line

What a waste of talent… but I wouldn’t break up any of those other lines to move him up.

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by Mark Parisi on May 29, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t worry, one of Michalek or Kovalev will get injured and open up a spot.

by Peter Raaymakers on May 29, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, I hope not

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by Mark Parisi on May 29, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good depth guy

The biggest pluses Winchester has going for him is that he knows the system, he seems to have a level head, he works hard when he’s out there and he has decent wheels. I would be happy to keep him as a depth guy if his contract demands are reasonable.

by DW19 on May 31, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

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