Mike 'Not Martin' Brodeur sticking with the Senators
The Ottawa Senators got one of their unrestricted free agent signings out of the way on Wednesday. Although it wasn't one of the bigger names, getting Mike Brodeur back under contract was a good move for the Sens--especially on the two-way deal they have him signed to.
Brodeur's got a pretty good resume, especially over the last few years. Most Ottawa fans will remember his first taste of NHL action, with three wins in his first three games and a GAA of 1.00. Although his AHL numbers in 2009-10 (3.06 GAA, .899 SP) left something to be desired, he had a bit of an excuse with his injury problems. And his NHL play probably warrants him an extra shot, especially considering his all-star calibre play in 2008-09 with the Rochester Americans.
So, what does Brodeur's signing mean for the Senators' goaltending depth? A few things, in all likelihood.
To be honest, it probably means very little to our NHL depth chart. Pascal Leclaire and Brian Elliott are both under one-way contracts, and Leclaire won't be tradeable while Elliott seems, at this time, like a he's got more upside. So I doubt either of them are going anywhere, and Brodeur's probably the number three guy.
In the AHL, though, it should keep things lively. Young and very promising prospect Robin Lehner will likely go head-to-head against Brodeur for the starting gig with the Binghamton Senators, which is probably a good thing for the organization. Lehner will be pushed, and my money's on him becoming the starter in Bingo. If not, however, we've got an experienced goaltender in Brodeur down on the farm.
So right now, the depth chart likely goes Leclaire > Elliott > Brodeur > Lehner, but that will almost certainly change after training camp, and could very well change with more summer signings. It remains to be seen if either Chris Holt or Andy Chiodo will be brought back, but the Elmira Jackals need someone to tend nets in the ECHL. We'll see what else the summer brings.
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The Sens should strike while Elliott has value
As we saw in the playoffs, Brain Elliott isn’t a number one goalie.
by Alexander Calloway on May 26, 2010 9:43 PM EDT reply actions
I see the merit there
But I don’t think it would be worth it. I’m not sure it’s wise to close the book on a guy’s career based on one playoff season (especially after investing so much into his career development so far), and I really don’t think the return would be that great (few teams are looking for a ’tender, and those who are have plenty of free agent options to choose from).
Plus, Elliott’s playing for a new contract this season. We’ll definitely see what he’s made of in 2010-11.
by Peter Raaymakers on May 26, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Brian Elliott was drafted 291st overall
He’s lucky to even been a backup in a playoff game, and I am not judging him based off just the playoffs.
by Alexander Calloway on May 26, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
At some point, you’ve got to look past a player’s draft position and see what he’s actually contributing, though. Elliott was drafted after Corey Crawford (52 overall), and is certainly a more effective goaltender than him. And he was drafted in the same round as Jaroslav Halak, and Halak showed himself to be a pretty good goaltender in these past playoffs.
I’m not saying Elliott’s going to be an amazing goaltender, or even that he’s going to get any better than he already is. I’m just saying that the risk of trading him and seeing him become a solid, if unspectacular, goalie in this league outweighs the potential reward of trading him for a late-round draft pick. And that’s assuming we could even get a draft pick for him, considering how few teams are looking for a goaltender, and what kind of other free agents are out there anyway.
by Peter Raaymakers on May 26, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Brian Elliott is not a starting goalie for a Stanley Cup playoff caliber team
Of course this team isn’t a Stanley Cup playoff caliber team either, but with this weak Conference the Sens will likely make a playoff run. The smart choice for the Sens here, if they don’t trade him, is to platoon him and Pascal. Because just like Halak, both goalies have issues with consistency.
by Alexander Calloway on May 27, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Would you say Michael Leighton is?
Or Antti Niemi? Neimi wasn’t even drafted, which apparently makes him worse than Elliott by your draft logic.
I mean, do you have anything at all to back up your proclamation besides Elliott’s draft position? Why are you so convinced that a young goaltender with only a year and a half’s worth of NHL experience is done growing?
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by Mark Parisi on May 27, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Because I watched him all season
by Alexander Calloway on May 27, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
That means you were watching him during the team's record-setting winning streak, right?
He had the same GAA as Roberto Luongo in the regular season, and a better GAA than Cup-winning goalies such as Fleury, Giguere, and Ward. He also had a better save percentage than Fluery and Ggiguere.
“Because I watched him” is nonsensical argument…. unless you’re willing to claim that Fluery and the others are also not good enough to be starting goalies for Stanley Cup teams.
Elliott has played just as many games where he’s looked like a legitimate number one goalie as he’s played bad games where he’s let in shots a 5-year-old could stop. He’s a young player. That’s what they do. Remember Karlsson at the beginning of the year?
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Oh look at you
Elliott played 3038 minutes (in 55 games), Fleury played 3798 minutes as a full time starter (in 67 games), and Giguere was traded and platooned (on both teams). You can’t compare Fleury to Elloitt because Fleury was drafted for his potential. Fleury started his first game when he was 21, Elloitt did when was 23. Fleury never went back down to the AHL and has been the Pens starting goalie since 05-06.
Elliott will be 25 at the start of next season, and if he has to fight a player with injury risk in order to be the starting goalie, then he isn’t going to be this great player everyone thinks he’s going to be after winning 9 games in a row (by that logic Mike Brodeur is a top prospect). And Karlsson is only 19, most people his age are in college, not playing in the NHL.
by Alexander Calloway on May 27, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
There are such things as late bloomers. I’m not saying Elliott is one, but a guy like Tim Thomas shows that there isn’t a single development path for goalies to be successful. I think Elliott has definitely earned at least a shot at being a reliable #1 guy. If he doesn’t pan out we can always trade him to the Flyers, as they seem to go through 15 or 16 goalies a year.
by modsuperstar on May 27, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course I can compare the two... EVERY player is drafted for their potential
Elliott and Fluery both played the bulk of their team’s games and did so against NHL-calibre competition, and Elliott had better numbers.
I don’t think anyone is saying that Elliott is going to be a great goaltender (I’m certainly not… I think he’s a backup myself) but he certainly has the tools to be a top goaltender for any NHL team. His stats prove it.
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Daniel Alfredsson was drafted 133rd overall
Henrik Zetterberg was drafted 210th overall.
Pavel Datsyuk was drafted 171st overall.
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by Mark Parisi on May 27, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh really Alfredsson was drafted late?
I didn’t know that, thanks Mark.
by Alexander Calloway on May 27, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Sarcasm doesn't do anything to disprove my point that great players can be drafted late
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So you're comparing Brian Elliott to Daniel Alfredsson?
Why is it whenever someone says draft, someone has to bring up that Daniel Alfredsson was drafted late. Yeah everyone knows that, and we’re happy for it.
by Alexander Calloway on May 27, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think that's what he's saying
Just that sometimes, a player’s draft position isn’t proof of their potential. It’s usually a good indicator, but sometimes players develop late.
Elliott could be a guy like that. He could also be a flop. But inconsistency isn’t an unsolvable problem; it’s something a goalie can work on, unlike an innate lack of skill or poor reflexes.
It’s always so difficult with goaltenders… you look at Leighton, and it’s his ninth year pro before he became a starter. And he’s doing well. Look at Craig Anderson, who led the Avalanche back into the playoffs. And Antti Niemi, too… he came out of nowhere.
Really, though, you guys have different opinions. No sense continuing to increase your hostility here… they are both valid arguments.
by Peter Raaymakers on May 27, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
All goalies are inconsistent
to write Elliot off based on “he is inconsistent” seems a bit harsh. I mean the guy has only played 1.5 seasons and he has shown a lot of promise. I think there are more positives than negatives and he will continue to grow, especially this being the year he has to prove himself worthy of a contract.
Elliott can't be judged just on the playoffs.
He can only last for so long in games where he has no support from his defensemen. I’ve said it before, and I’ll stand behind it: he’s an incredible goalie for about 30 minutes, but if the defense isn’t there, he ends up falling apart. You can’t blame him for that – if there’s nobody in front of him clearing the puck or blocking shots, he can only do so much. We saw some incredible work from him last season, and I think we’ll see it again.
Honestly – Leclaire didn’t look like a number one goalie either until the playoffs. Then he stopped sucking out loud for a few games.
No, actually I can't get enough of Spezza's nerdy laugh.
The Sens don't have a number one goalie
And with the top line looking likePhillips-Kuba next year, then he last 30 minutes are going to painful to watch.
by Alexander Calloway on May 26, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If we're judging Elliott's merits on just three games
I choose January 19th, 2010, January 26th, 2010, and January 28th, 2010.
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by Mark Parisi on May 27, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Elliott played 4 games in the playoffs
But feel free to ingore March 11th, 13th, 16th, 18th.
by Alexander Calloway on May 27, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not ignoring anything
I’m not the one who wrote “As we saw in the playoffs, Brain Elliott isn’t a number one goalie.” You’re using a minute sample size to make a bold claim.
Besides, he followed those up with March 22nd, 23rd, 26th, and 30th.
The fact is that for every bad game Elliott has played, he has a matching superb one. You cannot claim to know he’s not a number one goalie, because there’s just not enough information to say one way or another.
If we move over to the realm of opinions, I don’t think he’s a number one goalie myself. I don’t think he’s consistent enough. But the jury’s still out… it’s impossible for anyone to say otherwise.
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IT'S SO TRUE!
We’d still be playing behind Emery if Gerber weren’t so crazy.
by Peter Raaymakers on May 27, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
This is all Dominik Hasek’s fault. He doesn’t pull his groin at the Olympics and leave Ottawa in shame, we’d be back to back Stanley Cup winners and would never have signed Gerber.
Hasek is a rat bastard coward
He has always been a coward and he always will be. I knew the second that he was “injured” that he would screw the team. He’s the most selfish hockey player I have ever seen and the biggest mistake Ottawa could have made was trusting in him to lead them to anything worthwhile. I spit on him.
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Mark hates Hasek
You should see the cartoons he’s drawn of him.
by Peter Raaymakers on May 27, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a cancer
The day he signed with the Sens was the blackest day in team history for me. I just KNEW he’d find a way to fuck over the team, and he did not disappoint me. Ugh. I despise him.
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