My senators draft wish list - 2010
I do not know why, but i am a great fan of draft day. It is one of the hockey days i most look forward to. I wanted to be more proactive and i wanted to setup a list of potential senators i would like to see in the future.
My ground rules:
- I select players that we have a reasonable chance of picking up. I would like to have Taylor Hall, but there is no chance that he will be available at the 16th pick.
- I go with organizational needs. Senators need young wingers first and defensemen last.
- This is really just my personnal opinions, but i am put them out there and since these are prospects, we will only see the results in years.
My picksafter the jump.
It all depends if players are picked before the senator.
First round: in this order and who is left: Mikael Granlund, Kirill Kabanov, John McFarland
Later rounds: Joonas Donskoi, Teemu Pulkkinen, Brett Bulmer, Sondre Olden, Konrad Abeltshauser.
Ideally, I would love:
1st: Mikael Granlund - C
3rd: Joonas Donskoi - W
4th: Teemu Pulkkinen - W
5th: Sondre Olden - F
6th: Konrad Abeltsauser – D
Joonas Donskoï: Winger. I like him a lot. Might go in the 100 overall (senators have the 106 pick – 4th round). I LOVE his playoff stats and his penalty minutes (high and low). He seems like a player that buzzes around the net and picks up rebounds and deflections. I would pick him in the third - 76th pick, to be sure. Plus he is a versatile winger and we need them. I adore the fact that he seems a clutch player, look at his playoff stats.
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=22301116
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=16039
Teemu Pulkkinen: Winger. Another winger. He seems like a Kovalev type player, in a good way. He seems like a natural goal scorer and finisher. He can play the puck and he’s a fast skater. Probably not but if he is available in the 4th or 5th round. He seems to be ranked all over the place. Some have him in the top 10 and others much lower. Now it seems like a shame we do not have those two 2nd round picks.
http://thehockeywriters.com/prospect-profile-teemu-pulkkinen-jokerit-helsinki-sm-liiga/
Sondre Olden: Forward. A 6’4’’ player that can play every forward position. He might be a prospect. He doesn’t seems to have been tested that much but he might explode. These stats are what makes him interesting.
2007-2008 – Under 19 league - 19 games 20 goals 18 assists 12 PIM
2008-2009 – Under 19 league - 19 games 32 goals 35assists 18 PIM
Hopefully, he will grow into this kind of player, He would surely be worth a garbage 5-6-7th round pick.
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=27945
Brett Bulmer: Right wing. A 6’2’’ right winger that seems like an energy working guy with some scoring upside. He seems to be a late second or early third round. If the senators can get him at the third round, then the choice could be between him and Joonas Donskoï.
http://nhldraftnotes.blogspot.com/2010/05/brett-bulmer-rw-kelowna-whl.html
Konrad Abeltshaüser: Defense. A 6’4’’ defensemen with little upside. Got injured. Might be a cheap pick up that would of gone higher if he wasn’t injured. Jared Cowen style pick. He might be a good pickup if our desired player is picked up right before us. Sort of when Toronto picked Nazem Kadri right before us and we picked Jared Cowen instead.
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=670594
Kiril Kabanov: Right wing. One of the most gifted players in the draft, would be a top 5 pick, except that he has had contract problems for years. He seems to be NHL ready and to pick a NHL ready player at the 16th pick would be a good move, but that depends on the problems, if any, he brings. To have a 6’3’’ scoring winger with problems will make me think of Heatly, good and possibly bad. This player needs to play on the top two lines either in the NHL, AHL or Europe. Not the type of player you develop thru grinding on the third line or sit on the bench on the fourth line. If we have a place for him in the top 6 and he is available, I would pick him up.
http://thehockeywriters.com/prospect-profile-kirill-kabanov-moncton-wildcats-qmjhl/
Mikael Granlund: Center. A playmaker, as we have Jason Spezza, he would ideally help make a good one-two punch of good playmaker centers, like Crosby-Malkin, Gomez-Drury. We have a lot a centermen (Spezza, Fisher, Regin, Kelly, *Cullen*, Winchester, ect.), this is not a positional need but he is ranked as the best European skater and he has played with Pulkkinen. He would not be a slam dunk (no way we could get one at the 16th position), but him and Spezza would set us at the centre position for years. He is another pick that we should think of getting if he is still available and who else is still available in the first round. In the second round, he would be a steal.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdetail.htm?dpid=2460
John McFarland: Left wing. If we are looking at the general scouting reports – NHL scouting 15th NA, TSN – preseason: 6th - mid-season: 17th – lottery: off top 10 , he would be the winger most likely to be available at around the 16th position. A 6’1’’ almost 200 pounds winger with a scoring touch. His stock seems to fall but again if all other options are gone, might reverse a downward stock trend. A year ago, he was a top 10 pick. And he is a positional need for the Senators.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdetail.htm?dpid=2297
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Great article!! What about the North Americans though?
by Unbiased Sens Fan on May 14, 2010 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
thank you
Thank you for the compliment.
there is a couple of NA players (McFarland & Bulmer), but i understand your comment.
I made this list with the help of blogs from the HFboards site. These are the most interesting names came up.
Also, my personnal opinion is that in the NHL, they tend to overavaluate the NA players or at least see it as a plus. I understand the bias, but we should not be blinded by it. Look at 2005, when we picked Lee over Kopitar.
Look at it this another way, are we happy the senators picked Karlsson over Colten Teubert? He was picked before.
by Bikini Cowboy on May 14, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't Mikael Granlund the top European skater?
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by Alexander Calloway on May 14, 2010 2:17 PM EDT reply actions
yes
Mikael Granlund: Center. A playmaker, as we have Jason Spezza, he would ideally help make a good one-two punch of good playmaker centers, like Crosby-Malkin, Gomez-Drury. We have a lot a centermen (Spezza, Fisher, Regin, Kelly, Cullen, Winchester, ect.), this is not a positional need but he is ranked as the best European skater and he has played with Pulkkinen.
by Bikini Cowboy on May 14, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless the Sens trade up, there's no way he reaches the Sens
And if he does, then what’s the point in drafting him, seeing that every team must have a reason on passing.
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by Alexander Calloway on May 14, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Daniel Alfredsson was a top European skater
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by Alexander Calloway on May 17, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Do we know he was?
It seems a bit bizarre that the top anything would be drafted in the 7th round. Four different players were picked in the first round. That doesn’t prove anything, but isn’t this a bit of revisionist history?
by Bikini Cowboy on May 17, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
If Alfie was a projected top skater
North American really had some good players
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by Alexander Calloway on May 18, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Not even Alfie thought he'd make the NHL
And he probably wouldn’t have on another team. There are so many factors that affect a player’s growth. I think the biggest key to drafting is not identifying the best talent, but identifying the talent that fits your organization.
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very true
I think that you can pick the best player, but you have to be aware of your needs.
If you look at the description for Kirill i believe that he would be a great player, but you cannot build him up thru the lines, you play him play as a top six and he should blossom. If you can’t fit him, then don’t pick him.
Filatov is another great example.
by Bikini Cowboy on May 20, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, exactly
Certain players transcend that logic, but they’re once in a generation types.
For the rest, they have to be a piece to a puzzle you’re working on. I think that’s one of the reasons Brian Lee has not blossomed in Ottawa. I’m still not sure where the organization saw him fitting, and it shows in his development.
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by Mark Parisi on May 20, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Really, drafting according to need?
I think that’s been a HUGE part of why we haven’t had many draft picks pan out over the past 10 years. Drafting guys like Jim O’Brian and Nick Foligno to be solid defensive forwards – bottom 6 forwards. Skill guys were ignored again and again and now we see the results.
The MO with Muckler and to a lesser extent Murray has been to ignore the top 6 forward situation as if those guys will never age, injuries won’t happen, trade demands won’t arise. Incredibly short sighted IMO.
Let me put it this way, if you have the opportunity to draft an elite talent you do it, even if it doesnt address a need. Even if the player doesnt fit in to the organization, they still have trade value. This is also a huge problem with our current group of forwards and prospects: very few have any trade value and those that do would generate minimal return.
All this aside I’m sure we can agree the Sens need skill guys up front, and they need them soon. No time like the present to start that re-stocking process.
Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.
Sure, if you have the opportunity to draft an elite talent, you do it... no arguments here
Those guys automatically fit into your organization, because those are the guys you build around.
Trouble is… by definition they are few and far between. The last time Ottawa was in position to get an elite player, well… OK, there was Chris Phillips in 1996, but who would you have taken over him?
I also don’t think Muckler’s MO was to ignore top 6 forwards. He drafted Klepis, Eaves, and Foligno, and traded for Heatley. A certain Peter Regin, who finished the year in Ottawa’s top 6 and I bet opens there next year, was drafted in 2004 by Muckler.
Murray has only had three drafts. He only had four picks in 2007 due to previous Muckler deals and used two on forwards: Jim O’Brien and Ruslan Bashkirov. Ottawa had the 29th pick in the first round that year… no player there is guaranteed top six much less elite. Murray also inherited a blueline that lost Chara, Redden, Mezsaros, and sure, even Corvo and Priessing in short order. Meanwhile he had the best forward line in hockey. It’s not a surprise that he took players who were more defensive-minded, especially considering that’s EXACTLY what beat him in the Cup Finals. You certainly can’t have any complaints about the Karlsson selection, and Cowen was projected as a top 5 player before his knee injury — that’s the closest Ottawa has come to an elite talent in almost a decade. Would you want Paajarvi-Svensson over what might be an elite player because of our need at forward right now? I assume not, since that would contradict what you posted.
Murray may have built the core of the defense for the next decade in Karlsson, Cowen and Weircioch. He may have gotten the first real goalie the team has ever had in Robin Lehner. And he still bagged a potential top six forward in Silfverberg, who looked pretty damn good in the WJCs. Oh, and he managed to at least replace Heatley with Michalek. I’m OK with the restocking he’s done so far.
Still, I don’t think there’s any argument that the team needs skilled forwards more than anything. The giant black hole Alfie’s retirement will create looms larger every year. If Murray doesn’t take a forward in the first round, there had better be a DAMN good reason.
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I agree
with everything you just said.
by Bikini Cowboy on May 28, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
This is my first time
I want to stress that my replies are made with all the due respect to the posters, i am not sarcastic and all i want is to have a frank discussion. You guys and girls bring me points of view that i have not considered.
Thank you to all.
Thanks for the interesting post!
Hopefully the Senators get a guy like one of those you’ve listed, or one who’ll become a good player in the league. Trying to guess who they might take is such a crapshoot, though; it depends on who Bryan Murray is high on (usually North Americans or western Europeans) and who is drafted before; the fact that we’re likely 16 overall makes it that much less predictable.
Still, thanks for the scouting reports!
by Peter Raaymakers on May 14, 2010 3:51 PM EDT reply actions
I guess Overall..
I’m interested in Granlund, Pulkkinen, McFarland and Tyler Toffoli in the first round.
I don’t think we need another problematic Russian, so Kabanov can go somewhere else.
by GelatinousMutantCoconut on May 14, 2010 6:36 PM EDT reply actions
New list coming
After seeing some of the posts, i will try to make another list of probable NA players likely available and desirable for the senators at the draft. Keep looking.

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