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Could the Sens have traded for Giguere?



I was thinking about this after the Sens got skunked by the Leafs this weekend.  Could Ottawa have made that same trade for Giguere?  The Leafs traded an overpaid, veteran winger and an off form goalie for JS Giguere.  Could Ottawa not have offered Kovalev and Leclaire and got that same deal done, maybe even got another player back in the deal?  Even though Jiggy has been off his game the last while, he's still only 32 and has previously shown form that got him to 2 Stanley Cup finals.

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Given the mileage we've seen the Leafs get out of guys like Belfour and Joseph, it almost scares me as a Sens fan thinking the Leafs have a guy like Giguere.  He's a guy who beat us in the Cup finals and could viably haunt us if the Leafs ever make it back to the playoffs.  The Leafs always beat us in the playoffs because they got big time goaltending, and that's what Giguere can bring to that team.

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I don't know why we would

Giguere can be good, but he’d probably playing well so far for Toronto for two reasons: His reunion with Francois D’Allaire, and the emotion that comes with it. Keep in mind the guy’s played two freakin’ games so far.

And why would Ottawa trade Kovalev right now? He’s playing well. If there was a deal to be made, it could have been Cheechoo and Leclaire for Giguere, but I’m not sure that would have been an upgrade at all for us.

Give it time. Giguere will fall back to Earth, and the Leafs will fall back to their basement play.

by PeterR on Feb 8, 2010 1:46 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I’m not saying getting rid of Kovalev, just that we could have easily put together a package that exceeded what Toronto had to offer. I know Leclaire has a high ceiling as a tender, but I don’t see him having that upper echelon play that Giguere can give you.

by modsuperstar on Feb 8, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha well said.

“Give it time. Giguere will fall back to Earth, and the Leafs will fall back to their basement play.”

by sens_24 on Feb 9, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Giguere is still a top goalie.

While I don’t think it would have really been feasable to trade for Giguere, it is true that he may come back to haunt the Sens. Of course, it’s only been a mere two games he’s been with them but make no mistake about it, Giguere is still a top-flight goaltender who will most certainly be great again. I honestly think the Ducks made a huge mistake in trading Giguere. His career numbers are extremely solid and he has a cup and a Conne Smyth to boot. He has more on his resume than most goalies in the league, and he is only 32, which is still relatively young considering how great shape he keeps himself.

Every team has to deal with great goaltending of other teams and Toronto will now be no different for the Sens. You should always count on the opposing team having great goaltending so that is really no excuse for a loss.

by Sens_4_Life on Feb 8, 2010 2:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Career numbers are dangerous.

300 points in 500 games with a Rocket Richard trophy sounds pretty awesome, especially at only 3.5M per season. We all know how that turned out. It’s always dangerous to base future predictions on past success.

by Mike Hurley on Feb 8, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Apples to oranges.

That’s comparing apples to oranges. Seriously, Cheechoo is struggling mostly because major injury problems. Giguere and Cheechoo’s situations are not similar at all.

by Sens_4_Life on Feb 10, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose they could have

But I don’t see the benefit of making the trade. The team’s goaltending hasn’t been spectacular this year (win streak not included) but I don’t think it’s the weakest area either. Getting Cheechoo off the books would have been nice, but I’d like to see this team develop a goalie instead of grabbing at older guys. Barrasso, Hasek, Gerber… this team doesn’t have a good history with goalies over 30 years old.

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by Mark Parisi on Feb 8, 2010 2:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You do make a good point about our history with older tenders. I guess I’m looking at how the Leafs have managed to field what you could class as Hall of Fame goaltenders when they were owning us in the playoffs. Not to say Jiggy is HoF worthy, but I’d say he is a cut above what we have in net when on his game.

I’m also not saying that the trade would have made sense, just that say circumstances were different we could have pulled the trigger. Say we’re sitting in 8th or 9th and didn’t go on the big win streak and Murray looks to shake things up in an effort to make the playoffs.

by modsuperstar on Feb 8, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you brought up a very valid question with this post; I just happen to disagree

So, don’t get me wrong… things like this are exactly what Sens fans should be discussing.

The real trick, I think, is that trading for Giguere doesn’t make much sense for Ottawa. Toronto has no idea what they’re doing in goal (or, really, anywhere else) — they’re just starting to rebuild. Ottawa has more pieces in place. And looking long term, Leclaire has way more upside. In six years, he’ll only be 32. Giguere will be 38. A Cup and a Conn Smythe are nice hardware to have, but what are the odds he’ll have another? I like Leclaire’s chances better, just based on the side of 30 he’s on.

It’s been so long since we’ve really gotten to see Leclaire, but remember before his (first) injury, he was playing some solid hockey. I still believe he’s the future for this team; he just needs to play the games.

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by Mark Parisi on Feb 8, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

leclaire can be great at times

but he can be beaten high time and time again…he is very athletic and agressive but his size makes it impossible for him to stop well-placed shots to the top of the net

i dont think he will still be here in 3 years, let alone 6

by Buz Killington on Feb 10, 2010 6:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Giguere WAS a great goalie

He was awful last year with a decent defence in front of him (3.10 GAA & .900 SV% in 44 starts) and he’s been awful again so far this season (3.14 GAA & .900 SV% before the trade and 2.83 since the 2 shutouts).

Past success aside, him and Leclaire are in similar territory right now.

Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.

by Andrew J on Feb 8, 2010 10:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

and Leclaire is 3M/year cheaper (or something like that). Jiggy played fantastic in his first two games (although he wasn’t really tested), but he’s not going to keep it up.

Interesting sidenote, though – is Cheechoo/Leclaire even a better deal for Anaheim? Remember that Tosk comes off the books next year.

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by DarrenM on Feb 9, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And, sad but true, Blake offers more than Cheechoo

But Blake’s on the hook for two more years. The actual salary numbers, including this year in full, are: $14.5 for Toskala/Blake, $15.4M for Leclaire/Cheechoo.

by PeterR on Feb 9, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ya the Blake contract is pretty bad at this point, but for a Ducks team fighting to make the playoffs Blake gives them some speed and decent offensive spark in a 2nd/3rd line role, while Cheechoo offers….

Plus they already have their #1 guy signed so letting Toskala walk isnt an issue.

Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.

by Andrew J on Feb 9, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, when I said Tosk walking I meant that as a reason why the Leafs deal worked better for the Ducks. They don’t need a 3-4M backup in Leclaire.

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by DarrenM on Feb 9, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ahh i see it, misread it before

Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.

by Andrew J on Feb 9, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

understandable

it was rather ambiguous.

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by DarrenM on Feb 9, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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