Senators sign Ryan Shannon to one-year deal
by DarrenM on Feb 26, 2010 3:10 PM EST
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PrintThe Ottawa Senators have just announced that they signed forward Ryan Shannon to a one-year deal. According to Bruce Garrioch, the deal is worth $625k (not the previously reported $675k) --a modest raise from his current salary of $600k.
Shannon's size will always be an issue, but when he plays with fast wingers (like recent linemate Peter Regin) he creates countless chances with his speed. If he was signed to a low-cost deal it's a good depth signing for the Senators.
Shannon was set to become an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season.
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I guess this means he's not part of any deal
He’s not really the kind of player who you trade, anyway; his salary is minimal so he’s a good fill-in piece, and his skills don’t make him uber-valuable anyway.
I doubt Murray’s a sign-and-trade guy.
by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 26, 2010 4:32 PM EST reply actions
Yeah,
He’s not going to get much in a trade, and I like having him around.
I’m curious as to how he earned a raise, though. It’s not much (75K), but it’s interesting nonetheless.
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The raise makes no sense
It remains a one-way deal, as far as I know, and his numbers are way worse that last year:
2008-09: 35GP, 8G, 12A, 20P, 0.57PPG
2009-10: 55GP, 5G, 11A, 16P, 0.29PPG
I get that he’s been a good soldier and he hasn’t been given great opportunities, but is there really a concern that another team was going to offer him more than the $600k? Is there really no free agent replacement to be had for that amount (or less)?
by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 26, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Murray is loyal to his guys
It’s a negative and a positive.
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I guess so
Some of his guys, at least. Won’t likely re-sign Donovan, even for the little he makes, didn’t re-sign McAmmond—not even to a two-way, league-minimum contract. But he gives Neil a big raise, Spezza a nutso contract, Kuba a ridonkulous raise plus a no-trade clause… it’s a bit odd.
by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 26, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Well, we've seen the team he built in Anaheim and the players he's drafted
He values size, which is why I was surprised Shannon was re-signed when Dean was not. I guess age matters to him as well? He obviously values skill, which explains Spezza and Kovalev’s contracts.
He’s definitely uneven with his signings, though.
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He's an unpredictable cat
Although I think Kovalev was more duties-as-assigned than a Murray signing; I’m sure Melnyk wanted a contingency plan as well as some big, positive news during Heatleygate.
In this instance, it might be as much a signing for his coach as for himself. He knew he’d need to fit a player there, $675k is so close to league minimum to be as-good-as, and I think Clouston sees a lot of utility in a player like Shannon. So he had the GM keep him around.
One thing that’s good to see is a GM working with a coach to build the team together. I’m sure it’s why Regin, Shannon, and Carkner are on the team right now, and I think that Clouston has Karlsson on the team because Murray wants him around.
by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 26, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
I feel the same way
I think the that the coach needs to tell the GM what types of players he needs, and the GM has to go out and get them. I get the sense that Clouston had a lot of say in Karlsson’s demotion, and that Murray had a lot of say in his call up. They probably agreed on what kind of play they were looking for from him, and once Murray heard it was there in Bingo, bam, Karlsson’s back in the NHL. I didn’t like anything about any of the moves at the time, but it sure looks like it was the right thing to do in hindsight.
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Absolutely
And it’s a bit weird, but I think Clouston’s coaching mentality matches Murray’s GM techniques a lot more closely than either of Paddock or Hartsburg. Hartsburg was way off-base (in terms of demanding a defensive focus instead of an emphasis on forechecking and a high-pressure, high-speed attack), and Paddock didn’t demand the on- and off-ice discipline Murray’s type of players need to excel. Clouston, though, makes a team a lot like Murray wants to build. Which is awesome.
by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 26, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
My thoughts exactly
I figured we’d let him walk, but at that salary, there’s no reason not to keep him. He’s productive with the right linemates, so a cheap, fast winger is nothing to complain about.
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675 is a great price
Shannon can fill in admirably in a bunch of roles, and he always works hard.
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I don't mind the signing at all
Shannon is the type of player you love throwing out with under ten minutes left in the third. Speedy to begin with, his limited ice time preserves his legs and makes him a pesky player for a tired defensive corps to keep up with. Now if only he would convert more often.. but for the price, who really cares!
Deal is actually $625k, not the $675k that was making the rounds earlier
one-way contract, as you’d expect.
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Where's that reported?
The Sun still says $675k.
by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 26, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't think he'd be re-signed
Murray is going to have to move some salary to fit everyone under the cap next year… or he’s planning on letting Volchenkov walk.
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We've got plenty of forwards with contracts up
Cullen, Foligno, Donovan, Regin, and Winchester. I think Cullen and Donovan will walk, and the hope is that Regin can be re-signed to a minimal raise, Winchester can be re-signed to an insignificant raise, and Foligno can be had for a reasonable deal—I think any more than $8M for three years is a little too high for him, at this point.
by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 26, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
Really? I don't think Foligno has even earned that much
Agreed on Cullen, Donovan, Regin and Winchester. But any kind of raise for Foligno doesn’t leave a lot of wiggle room for Volchenkov, even with Cheechoo’s upcoming buyout. I still think Kelly gets traded before the start of next season.
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Agreed
Foligno has not earned that much. Clutterbuck just signed for $4.2M over 3 years (1.4/yr), and there are guys like Alex Burrows who signed 8M over 4 years with much better stats than Nicky Foligno. Burrows took a huge paycut, but Nick shouldn’t make over $2M, in my opinion. His best season is still only 32 points.
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Hey man, I'm happy with that
I agree that he shouldn’t make more than $2M, but who knows what happens in these negotiations. If it’s a three- or four-year deal, I wouldn’t be surprised if his cap hit works out to somewhere around $2.3M or so.
by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 26, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Well, that's an absolute high-end of the possible terms
A couple comparable players who were drafted the same year, based on their second-contract numbers:
Toews: $6.3M
Kessel: $5.4M
Staal: $4M
Brassard: $3.2M
Lucic: $4M
Clutterbuck: $1.4M
I know Foligno isn’t nearly the calibre of those first few, and he offers more all-around than Clutterbuck, but you can be sure he will use those guys—especially Brassard—as comparables.
Anyone know if he has arbitration rights?
by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 26, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, I don't see how they give Foligno more than 2M a year, he hasnt been consistent enough
And with him, Shannon and Regin (assuming we don’t get Kevin Lowe’d) under contract I dont know how Murray could rationalize bringing back Winchester. Murray needs to admit he stepped in it with the original Winchester signing, cut bait and move on. In any scenario I think Z. Smith is a better choice for the 12th forward spot.
Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.
I wonder if there's any chance of getting Lowe'd on Regin
He’s good, but the type of offer sheet he’d get would be easy to match for the Senators, or else it would be worth it to give him up in exchange for the compensation picks we’d receive. I doubt he’d get signed to one, though.
Anyway, I hope Winchester’s back. I disagree with your assessment that it was a bad pickup; he cost us nothing, and he’s a good (and cheap) fourth-liner. It would be nice if we can get him to sign a two-way deal, but there’s no doubt in my mind he has the vision and physicality to be a good third- or fourth-line player. Although it’s been difficult at times because of injury problems, he’s at least a strong 13th forward.
by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 26, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with Peter
Winchester is a very good pick up. He plays well in both ends of the ice, can kill penalties, and is a great physical player. He’s a much better player at this moment than Zach Smith, even if Smith has as many goals on the season as he does (!!!).
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Yeah, I'm fine with Winchester's role on the team
I do think room should be made for Z Smith, though. To me, he does everything Kelly does for much cheaper.
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It’s going to be tight.
Even in a best case scenario, if you figure:
Volchenkov 3.75 (Could make as much as 4.5)
Foligno 1.5 (Could make as much as 2.25)
Regin 1.5 (Could make a bit more)
Winchester (600K)
And one defensive spot to fill either Campoli, Lee, Cowen or a new acquisition.
It’s tight. I think Kelly might have to be traded at the draft, just to get us under the cap.
by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Feb 26, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, and at the end of next year Phillips is unrestricted
Could Murray shock everyone and deal Leclaire? I doubt it, but that’s a nice salary to move if he really decides Elliott is the guy. He went all-in on Emery… a long playoff run from Elliott could have a similar result.
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I don't think goaltending will change until after next season
He went all-in on Emery, yeah, and look where it got him. I don’t think he wants to make that mistake again.
I sort of thought that Volchenkov’s salary would climb as Phillips was declining. My thoughts are that Volch will sign a four-year deal for ~$3.2M, and then next summer Phillips will sign a three-year deal for $2.5M per. It’s like they just swap paycheques.
by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 26, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that's kinda what I envision happening, too
Same numbers, too… scary. Cowen should grow into the spot that Phillips vacates, just like Android didn’t blossom until Chara left.
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by Mark Parisi on Feb 26, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
And then my jersey will grow in value!
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by Ryan Classic on Feb 28, 2010 5:02 AM EST up reply actions
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