Options for the Senators blue line at the trade deadline
With the acquisition of Matt Cullen, Ottawa Senators GM Bryan Murray is likely done bolstering the forwards for his team. On the blue line, however, it's a different story, and Murray has said he is likely not done making deals--and picking up a defenceman is on his to-do list.
Murray has plenty of options looking for a defenceman to build up the Senators defence corps, but his hands are tied by a few factors: His inability to take on much in terms of long-term salary likely means an impending UFA is the best bet (so don't count on Brian Campbell returning to his junior hockey home), and his unwillingness to give up much from the current roster or in bona fide future assets will restrict the calibre of player who comes to Ottawa.
With that in mind, Murray will likely have a few options, and I'll look into them in more detail after the jump: Pavel Kubina (Atlanta Thrashers), Aaron Ward (Carolina Hurricanes), Brett Clark (Colorado Avalanche), Trevor Daley (Dallas Stars), Dennis Seidenberg (Florida Panthers), Jordan Leopold (Panthers), Marek Zidlicky (Minnesota Wild), Andy Sutton (New York Islanders), and Darryl Sydor (St. Louis Blues).
Kubina would likely be the biggest move Murray could make on defence. He puts up big points (he's 15th in the league in points heading into the Olympic break) and averages over 22 minutes per game TOI. He would immediately improve the Senators defence, falling likely into a spot as the third defenceman on a pairing with fellow Czech Filip Kuba, or perhaps even with rookie Erik Karlsson as the offensive pairing. He's got a physical edge, and the size to back it up, and has a Stanley Cup ring. He wouldn't be cheap, but would be a huge acquisition. Making his $5M cap hit fit under the cap, though, would be a significant challenge for Murray.
The Senators just swung a deal with Carolina, why not another? Ward's a defensive defenceman by trade, who's tough and not afraid to throw some weight around in the defensive end--perhaps a good partner for Matt Carkner to have on the Senators' third defensive pairing. His offensive capabilities are limited, but if he was brought in, it wouldn't be to score goals. His cap hit is manageable, and he wouldn't likely come with a high cost. Would be a good option for Murray to look for.
Clark may not be on the block, given Colorado's current standing in the Western Conference standings, but they've got a logjam on defence and may be looking to clear that up and get some value for a pending UFA at the same time. If so, and if the cost is reasonable, Clark would be a solid if unspectacular player for Ottawa's second or third defence pairing.
Daley isn't nearly the Earth-shattering acquisition Kubina would be, but he would solidify the Senators defence. He's having an off-season with the Stars this season, but could be valuable as a depth defenceman. He's a little too expensive for a depth defenceman, though, especially with more term on his contract. Although it wouldn't take much to acquire him, he doesn't serve the Senators need for a short-term fix without long-term obligations.
Similar to Kubina, Seidenberg is an established NHLer who is capable of playing a lot of minutes--he averages almost 23:00 TOI per game. His cap hit is low, he's a pending UFA, and he can score you a point here and there. The Panthers have told their season ticket holders they're blowing up the team and starting fresh, so you can be sure Seidenberg will be available; Murray just has to decide whether the asking price is worth it.
It should be relatively easy for Murray to fit Leopold's salary under the cap for the season, and he's another guy who regularly plays more than 22 minutes a game. He's not a big point producer, even though he gets a regular shift on the powerplay, but he'd certainly fit in well on the Senators' second pairing. Again, Florida's having a fire sale, so he'll be available--but who knows what the Panthers want in return.
Zidlicky is another defenceman who, if acquired, would be a huge coup for the Senators. He's 10th among defencemen in point scoring, plays 23+ minutes per game, and has a manageable salary to fit under the salary cap. Although the Wild aren't in the playoffs, they're not yet eliminated, so it remains to be seen if they're going to be ready to sell off a big-name defenceman--and reports are circulating that they may have opened contract negotiations in the hope of re-signing Zidlicky. If they are, Murray will be on the phone with his pitch.
Sutton is a different acquisition than the other names on the list, as a 34-year-old veteran whose physical play and defensive game are more valuable than his offensive contributions. He's put up a few points this season, but most of his 20+ minutes per game are played with a distinctly defensive bent. One concern with Sutton, though: Despite 566 regular-season games played, he's only got four playoff games under his belt. He plays a style that fits with the playoffs, but you never know until you get there how it will work.
The oldest guy on the list, Sydor is obviously the most experienced, with 1283 regular season games played and 155 playoff games under his belt. If the Senators want to pick him up, it will be for the experience. In his day, Sydor could put up points, but that's slowed down a fair bit this season--as you can see by the eight points he has this year. He'd cost next to nothing to pick up, but I'm not sure if he serves Ottawa's needs effectively.
Who do you hope the Senators acquire at the trade deadline?
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Read more on the Senators' shopping list elsewhere:
- Ottawa Citizen, "Senators are in the market for a rental"
- Another Ottawa Senators Blog, "Three and a Half Defencemen to Consider for Ottawa's Stretch Run"
- Black Aces, "Defenseman On The Way - Who's It Going To Be?"
- Sens Chirp, "Finding Help on the Blueline"
- Sens Chirp, "Two More Defencemen to the List"
- From the Rink, "Rumors From The Rink: Some Teams Singing The "Blueline Blues""
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This has nothing to do with this topic, but I laughed my ass off at this. For all us Heatly Haters!
by superjarvo on Feb 24, 2010 8:43 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I’d recommend that 100 times if I could
by modsuperstar on Feb 24, 2010 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
I can't wait to see this video when I get home...
All this talk has me excited for it.
by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 24, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
It's hilarious
All of his his Heatley voice over videos are fantastic.
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Zidlicky
Would be amazing. Watching him play at the olympics he is a hell of a player and would really help our powerplay. I think its a pipe dream though. So is Kubina and to an extent Seidenberg.
I think we’ll end up with Ward or someone like Foster out of Tampa. Nothing major, OR a real depth move for a seventh D-Man
After observing a number of trade deadline rentals come and go, one aspect that hasn’t been touched on in the post is the kind of structure they are coming from. Is the team they are coming from well coached? Are they doing practices at speed? I can’t count the number of players who, despite pedigree, have come to us out of shape or playing a solo game because they came from poorly coached teams. Now, it may be obvious that a team out of the palyoofs is likely not a good team, but if I had to pick, I would choose a rental from a team whose coach insisted on high tempo practices and structure to their game. It would be easier for the to adapt to a similar style here.
Good points
Which teams do you think actually have that commitment, though? I’d expect Florida to, with DeBoer coming in as such a highly-touted coach, but who knows… I don’t follow other teams closely enough to know.
by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 24, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Who Knows?
That’s just it – sellers at deadline are losers, right? If they’re losers, how well could they have been coached. Take OPttawa last year: they had talent all over the place and were sucking the tail pipe until Clouston showed up. But if a team had taken an Ottawa player at the deadline under Hartsburg, how long would it ahve taken to get him into game shape and following the syste?
With Clouston running tight, fast, focused practices and style of play, how long will it take to train up to that level? Arguably, it took the existing players a good part of the early season.
So, of the players you highlight, whose team is maybe well coached but maybe undermanned or just too immature/young? All things being equal, that’s where I would go.
Kubina or Zidlicky would be nice
but they’ll cost too much, probably end up with Leopold.
Leopold would be ideal I think, in terms of what he could be had for and return on investment
Gives us a bit of speed on the back end and has cup experience with Calgary. I don’t know much about his play in his own end though, so that could be a question mark for all I know
Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.
I voted for Kubina
I like his size over Zidlicky’s, but I don’t want anyone if we have to give up too much to get them.
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Well…
I just did the trade on cap geek, and if we could make a deal like Kelly, Lee and SJ’s 2nd for Kubina, than it would fit. And we’d probably have enough space to trade Campoli and a mid-round pick for a Sutton or Ward.
I know that’s not definitive, but we shall see what Murray has up his sleeve.
by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Feb 24, 2010 3:34 PM EST reply actions
That's a pretty steep cost...
I am apparently one of very few people who value Kelly and what he brings, especially when the playoffs come around, but I wouldn’t be interested in throwing him out the window in a deal.
I have a feeling that the re-assignment of Cheechoo opens up some space for this year, and I know there was about $500k left over at the start of the season. If the team wanted to use some LTIR cap relief they could, so maybe that would open up enough room for Kubina—especially considering the fact that we’d only need to pick up about one-third of his cap hit. If ATL wants more than Lee and a second, that’s crazy; both are valuable assets.
Like you said, though, we’ll see what happens…
by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 24, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Kelly is more of salary dump.
He’s valuable yes. But is what he brings THAT much better than Jesse Winchester or Zack Smith? Enough that he makes more than both combined?
Regin has replaced him as third-line centre.
The team is facing a serious cap crunch next year, and having two 2 million dollar 4th liners (Kelly and Neil) is too much. If we want to re-sign Volchenkov, Regin, Foligno, Shannon we need to dump more salary.
So why not use him to sweeten the pot and upgrade our D. Gaining a top 4 d is worth letting go an expensive 4th liner.
by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Feb 24, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
If were talking throw-in to sweeten a deal, Shannon is the guy
He doesnt have a defined role and he doesnt produce on any line; Kelly has limited value but his role is set and he does it fairly well on a consistent basis. He’s obviously not un-movable, but he’s not quite a ‘throw-in’ either
Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.
Bu he makes pennies compared to Kelly.
And we need the cap space desperately. I’d rather keep Shannon, he has chemistry with Kovalev and comes dirt cheap.
by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Feb 25, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
4 pts in his last 21 games....yup, chemistry
Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.
Ok, granted he doesn't light it up offensively.
But his speed puts pressure on the opposition, creating turnovers that his linemates can then turn into a scoring chance. In a non-cap world, he probably wouldn’t be in the NHL, but what he brings is valuable considering his dirt cheap salary. I’m not saying he’s untouchable, by all means throw him in one of these deals, but Kelly needs to go just for the shear size of his contract.
by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Feb 25, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
I agree it would be ideal to get his contract off the books, but you’re talking about giving him away just for shits n’ gigs.
I’d prefer to wait and see if there is actually a market for the player rather than assuming that no team in the league would part with so much as a pair of skate laces for the guy.
Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.
how about Kubina for Kuba (with some picks being swapped) and then picking up seidenberg for possibly some of our forward depth? I haven’t put too much thought into what exactly would happen, but the base works under the cap for the rest of the season and would open up enough cap space to re-sign Volchenkov and pursue a free agent in the summer. Plus, I think this combo would be sweet going into playoffs
Phillips-Volchenkov
Kubina-Karlsson
Seidenberg-Carkner/Campoli
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also, for ATL, this gives them a d-man to somewhat replace Kubina over the next couple seaons. given Kuba does us a favour and waives his clause
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Would be cool, but I don't know if it would happen.
But man, that top six you’ve got—with Campoli as a seventh—is pretty sick.
by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 24, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
and it would work under the cap
according to capgeek.com the Sens can take on what would be a full-year 5.541 million
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Where do I sign?
Kelly, Kuba, and Lee for Kubina and Armstrong.
Atlanta trades two upcoming UFA’s for serviceable veterans signed for another two years at a reasonable rate (for Atlanta, both are overpriced in Ottawa ;p) and get a decent prospect for the future.
Campoli and SJ’s 2nd for Seidenberg.
Florida gets a pick and a still-young player who is perfect for a building team (Good enough to play in the NHL, not good enough to pull the team out of lottery contention).
by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Feb 24, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Of course, Kuba's NTC clause is the big challenge in this scenario
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How about these deals?
Florida Gets:
Pascal LeClaire
Chris Campoli
Ottawa’s 2010 1st round draft pick
Ottawa’s 2011 2nd round draft pick
Ottawa Gets:
Tomas Vokoun
Dennis Seidenberg
Atlanta Gets:
Filip Kuba
Brian Lee
San Jose’s 2010 2nd round draft pick
Ottawa Gets:
Pavel Kubina
by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Feb 24, 2010 11:17 PM EST reply actions
both deals cost the Sens too much. I would rather keep the current line-up then pay that for those guys. First, I don’t think our goaltending is in that dire a need of change. Secondly, I think too many people undervalue Campoli, he has been steadier than people allow, plus throwing in two high picks like that damages the pipeline. Thirdly, Kubina is good, but not worthy Kuba and both a prospect and a pick.
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Wow... yeah, I think those are wicked high prices to give up.
I don’t think Murray’s very anxious to give up another pick, at least not a first or second rounder. Historically, Ottawa’s been able to get some good players with second rounders; look at Murray’s record:
2009: Jakub Silfverberg, Robin Lehner
2008: Patrick Wiercioch
And before them, we’ve drafted Vermette, Fisher, and Neckar as second-rounders. It’s been a pretty good round, for the most part, so I doubt they’ll be thrown out there unless it’s a steal of a deal.
by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 25, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, a first and two seconds is a lot to give up. I’m almost never in favour of giving up draft picks. But you have to give to get, and Vokoun and Kubina would make us true contenders in the east. AND we’d have Vokoun for next year as well. Sacrificing one year of picks is worth a Cup to me.
I’m not giving up on Leclaire, but if we seriously want to make a run this spring, Vokoun would be an upgrade. No our goaltending isn’t dire, but it can always be better. Ditto for Kubina over Kuba. I’m not down on Campoli either, but again, Seidenberg is an ugrade. Plus, I believe it actually frees up some cap space for next season, as Kubina and Seidenberg are UFA’s.
Maybe Kuba and Lee would be enough for Kubina. Who knows, but what I put is the worst case scenario. I try to be realistic, and not come up with rip-off video game trades.
by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Feb 26, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
even being realistic those deals are rip-offs against the Sens. I agree with you on ‘upgrades’ but I don’t feel that we need to trade away that much to get into position. Plus, I wouldn’t want to mortgage the future because to me, even with those trades, I don’t think the Sens vault up that much higher so as to be much more of a contender than they now are considered to be. But who knows, if those deals do get made and the Sens win the cup, I’m with you, haha. But I still don’t think I would make them.
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I guess we agree to disagree then :p
I think with
Michalek-Spezza-Alfredsson
Cullen-Fisher-Kovalev
Foligno-Regin-Shannon
Ruutu-Smith-Neil
Phillips-Karlsson
Kubina-Volchenkov
Seidenberg-Carkner
Vokoun
Elliot
wins the East, and has a better chance at a Cup than
same forwards, only Kelly replaces Smith
Phillips-Volchenkov
Kuba-Karlsson
Campoli-Carkner
Elliot
Leclaire
To me that’s a MAJOR upgrade, and could make the different in the East.
It mortages some future, but we have 3 top notch defense prospects and some solid forward prospects. And a gem of a goalie prospect.
We would still have our 3rd-7th round picks, as well as an extra 6th. No superstars, but we could still draft some solid talent if our scouting continues to improve (it’s already pretty solid).
by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Feb 26, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
There's some decent kids out there
Peterssen, Caporusso, Silfverberg, Condra, Costello. Most of them are at least two years off, though, and maybe more—probably a four-year timeline is more realistic.
by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 26, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
It looks pretty good on paper
But another concern that comes into play is how much you mess with the chemistry. We’ve got a solid, hard-working team here; how much could bringing in three brand new faces, plus an AHLer on spot duty, change our team’s cohesion?
by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 26, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
That's a really good point.
Murray seems to value character. I think he would look into a player’s personality and how they fit into the group.
The team has a good leadership core, that from my knowledge, Vokoun and Kubina would not disrupt the room. Kuba and Campoli are non factors in the dressing room, but Kelly is a leader. But he’s behind Alfie, Phillips, Fisher and even Spezza on that front. Neil also brings leadership.
I don’t know, I like it :p
by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Feb 26, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, I meant to include Chris Kelly in one of those deals, as a salary dump.
by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Feb 24, 2010 11:18 PM EST reply actions
Other Prospects
Any opinion on Robidas’ availability and desirability? I saw his name elsewhere as a possibility but don’t know him or his particulars salary-wise.
He'd be a good pickup
But I don’t see it happening if Ottawa has any chance of re-signing Volchenkov. Robidas was recently extended for four more years at a cap hit of $3.3M per, which is about what we want to sign Volch for.
If Murray can’t make progess with Volchenkov, I think Robidas might be seriously looked at as a long-term thing.
by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 25, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Seidenberg VS Leopold, Pros/Cons
Seidenberg has two goals on 112 shots. Leopold has 7 on 69.
Leopold is a -7. Seidenberg is a -1.
Their scouting reports are essentially synonymous, the distinction being Leopold generally plays fewer minutes, and lacks about an inch and 10 pounds on Seidenberg, yet Leopold has a step on Seidenberg in terms of skating ability.
The difference in salary? About one third of half a million, so fairly marginal.
And as has been mentioned, Leopold has made it through the playoff grind before with Calgary; Seidenberg not so much.
Instinct tells me Leopold has the ability to make an impact, Seidenberg doesn’t necessarily.
All that said, I’d love it if Murray acquired Kubina. He has a cannon of a shot.
I disagree,
Seidenberg is better all-around. If you look past the stats, Seidenberg plays more physical and blocks more shots, but is equally capable of moving the puck.
Leopold went on one play-off run 6 years ago, and hasn’t been past the first round since. Seidenberg got his first taste of the play-offs last year, and had his coming out party as his team upset the Devils and Bruins in a run to the Eastern Finals.
Seidenberg will cost more, but is well worth it.
by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Feb 26, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions

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