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Trade speculation: Who would you have Ottawa trade for Kovalchuk?

The Ottawa Senators have a distinct shortage of offensively dynamic forwards, both in the short-term (especially with all the injuries the team is dealing with right now) and the long-term (I would struggle to name one blue-chip, shoo-in forward prospect in Ottawa's system right now). Ilya Kovalchuk is one of the league's most offensively dynamic superstar forwards, and is one who would instantly upgrade the Senators' forward ranks. As an impending UFA, there's a risk that any deal made would end up as a rental, but the Atlanta Thrashers are going to want true value for Kovalchuk, including notably a few pieces around which they can continue to rebuild their organization.

Given that contract talks haven't progressed and the Thrashers would be silly to let him walk for nothing (we're talking even worse than John Muckler letting Zdeno Chara silly), The Falconer over at brother SBN blog Bird Watchers Anonymous put out a demand to his network comrades: Give me your best offer. He put a couple of conditions, though:

I'm offering 1) only Kovalchuk [so no other players, and no picks], 2) for extent  of current contract and 3) first right to extend him before July 1st UFA kicks in. That's it, no "sign and trade" offers please!

And what he's looking for:

  • GM will want a roster player and a quality prospect(s)
  • Conditional 1st rounder(s) if Kovalchuk re-signs with your club.
  • No goalies needed (team has three already)
  • Not looking for over 33 guys or bloated contracts (sorry no Campbell or Huet)
  •  With all that in mind, I think the Ottawa Senators would be wise to get in on the sweepstakes. Were it up to me, I'd phone up Don Waddell and offer him...

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    Star-divide

    TO OTTAWA:
    LW Ilya Kovalchuk

    TO ATLANTA:
    RW Alex Kovalev
    D Brian Lee
    Conditional 2010 second-round pick*
    Conditional 2011 second-round pick*

    Conditions: 2010 second-rounder guaranteed, upgrades to first if Kovalchuk extends in Ottawa; 2011 second-rounder conditional on extension.

    My thinking: Ottawa doesn't really have the cap space to re-sign Kovalchuk, anyway, unless it's a sweet deal for Ottawa (and why the hell would Kovalchuk sign one of those?). If his contract is going to be the $11M cap hit people are suggesting, there's no way Ottawa would be able to extend him. If it's around $8M, Ottawa could certainly get his name on a long-term deal, and would have to in order to make the deal worthwhile. So the Senators lose a player who's underperforming, and would likely not have been re-signed after his current contract expired at the end of next year. They also lose a former first-round pick who appears to have already been written out of the organization's future in Lee, but the Senators' defence is already set for the future. If Kovalchuk doesn't extend in Ottawa, the Senators lose one second-rounder in 2010, but have a second one they got one in the Dany Heatley trade. If he re-signs, the Senators lose a 2010 first-rounder and a 2011 second-rounder, but they have Kovalchuk in the stable.

    Atlanta could probably get a better offer than this, though. What they get here, though, is a bit of offence to (try and) replace Kovalchuk, a defensive prospect who would likely walk on to a woeful defence corps and be top-four, plus draft picks--at least one second-rounder, maybe a first- and second-rounder.

    Do I think this will happen? Not really; the Senators will be hard-pressed to find room for a Kovalchuk contract extension, and acquiring a rental for a far-from-clinched playoff run is a pretty hefty risk. But considering the possible payoff, the risk would be a calculated one.

    I leave you with a question to consider: If you were the Senators' GM, what would you offer to trade for Ilya Kovalchuk?

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    Since this is Waddell we’re talking about, I’m assuming his judgment of the value of prospects (undervaluing Coburn, overvaluing Esposito, among others) works to our advantage. Therefore:

    One or both of Brian Lee and Jim O’Brien. They’re going to be awesome. Nick Foligno, whom I love.

    All my trade offers always include a turkey sandwich (condiments to be future considerations), so factor that in there as well.

    ryanclassic.net

    by Ryan Classic on Jan 11, 2010 4:02 PM EST reply actions  

    Not looking for over 33 guys or bloated contracts (sorry no Campbell or Huet)
    Alexei Kovalev
    Not looking for over 33 guys or bloated contracts (sorry no Campbell or Huet)
    Alexei Kovalev

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    by Chemmy on Jan 11, 2010 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

    It's got to work somehow

    And Ottawa doesn’t have anything else to offer. Unless they want more unproven prospects, instead of a roster player. Or Cheechoo.

    by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 11, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

    Ottawa doesn’t have anything else to offer

    Atlanta’s going to want this year’s first, unconditional, and an NHL ready prospect to start, along with conditional firsts if that team re-signs Kovalchuk. Basically I’d expect it to look like Hossa to Pittsburgh: Pittsburgh’s first, a solid young roster player and a big name prospect (Esposito).

    Bad salary and a second won’t get you a Kovalchuk rental.

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    by Chemmy on Jan 11, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

    So in Ottawa’s case I’d say it would have to look something like Michalek, Karlsson and a 1st for a couple months of Kovalchuk. The price is going to be steep.

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    by Chemmy on Jan 11, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

    Atlanta could probably get a better offer than this
    Do I think this will happen? Not really

    I’d like to see what the other offers are going to be, though.

    by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 11, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

    That's what Atlanta is going to want but it may not be what they get

    Waddell is in as bad a position as Bryan Murray was with Dany Heatley. He’s not going to get full value back for Kovalchuk, especially when the odds are that he’s just a rental. He’d be lucky to get Kessel-like value.

    by Mark Parisi on Jan 11, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

    Give them Spezza and Kuba, sign Kovalchuk for $10.5 million a year, and use the other $1.2 million to keep Volchenkov…

    by BorisB on Jan 11, 2010 6:22 PM EST reply actions  

    Pretty much no one is untouchable at this point except Spezza, Fisher and Alfie (more because I doubt that BM would trade him; he is on the downside of his career after all), and you can probably throw Cowen in there because fuck-head Willie Desjardins put a dent in whatever trade-value he had. And I do think an unconditional first would be essential to get it done.

    All that said I think it’d be ridiculous to go after him, the team is nowhere near good enough to mortage the future for a half-assed playoff run

    Cannot play with 'em, cannot win with 'em, cannot coach with 'em. Cant do it.

    by Andrew J on Jan 11, 2010 6:25 PM EST reply actions  

    This is what I feel

    Though the idea of Spezza feeding Kovalchuk for the next 7 years does sound nice. Murray is in the middle of an overhaul…. trashing it for one guy is going to leave us worse off in the long run.

    by Mark Parisi on Jan 11, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

    Kovalchuk IS an overhaul

    Just by acquiring Kovalchuk, Murray completely remasters this team, and turns them into a contender in a fairly weak Eastern Conference—perhaps the third-best team in the East. There’s no way he should significantly jeopardize the positives he has already brought about (good prospects, commitment to scouting, etc.), but he can definitely improve the team quickly with a move here. Kovalchuks don’t come along every day.

    by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 11, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

    No thank you, not without a long term deal in place first

    If Kovalchuk is an overhaul then why is Atlanta such a middling team? He’s not making them into a contender; why would he make Ottawa into one? Let’s say your trade happens. We’re looking at:

    Kovalchuk-Spezza-Alfredsson
    Michalek-Fisher-Shannon
    Cheechoo-Regin-Neil
    Ruutu-Kelly-Donovan/Winchester

    So he puts in way more goals than Kovalev. Doesn’t change the fact that we have Kuba, Picard, and Campoli on the back end. That’s not a good enough defense corps to claim being a contender, and we all know it. Their play would have to improve significantly for us to get a shot at the Cup.

    More importantly, signing him puts the team in salary cap hell, and that means Ottawa would wind up giving more players than just the ones in the initial trade. Sure, you got Kovalev’s salary off of the books in this scenario, but that’s only half the money you’ll need to sign Kovalchuk — and you have to sign him, because he’s not going to make this year’s team into a contender. And if you don’t sign him, you just gave up a draft pick we need for nothing if he doesn’t bring the Cup home. But next year we still have the blubber of Cheechoo, Kuba, and Kelly on the books. No one is going to take that bad salary off of our hands.

    Oh yeah, and Volchenkov is unrestricted at the end of this year. Where’s the money to sign him? Foligno and Regin are both RFAs. Where’s the money to sign them? At the end of next year, Phillips and Leclaire are UFAs. We’d get some relief with Cheechoo coming off the books, but his $3M is barely going to cover Foligno and Regin’s raises.

    Acquiring Kovlachuk requires too many other moves to make him fit, in my opinion. I’d love to have him, but not at the cost he’d come at.

    by Mark Parisi on Jan 11, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

    Just a note on Cowen

    He was brutal this season way before Desjardins got to him. I was getting updates every game or two on him and he fell off pretty early in the season and never really recovered. The fans in Spokane don’t even want him around anymore. Haven’t for months.

    ryanclassic.net

    by Ryan Classic on Jan 11, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

    Give the guy a break. Coming back from ACL surgery sucks, I know first hand. I played soccer for a year before my knee felt “right” again. Not every player can come back and feel comfortable right away. Check back in a year when he’s actually fully recovered.

    by modsuperstar on Jan 12, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

    I hope you're right!

    A lot is riding on Cowen panning out as a future NHL star defenceman, or at least a Chris Phillips-calibre shut-down D-man. I think the hope is that he’s somewhere between Phillips and Zdeno Chara or Chris Pronger, but if his knee doesn’t get right, his speed will make him look more like a Hal Gill.

    by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 12, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

    I wholeheartedly agree with that sentiment, but you also have to consider that Cowen slipped to the Sens because 7 other teams(I say 7 because I know Hedman, Tavares and Duschene were going top 3) didn’t want to take the risk. I hope he goes on to be a great shutdown guy for the Sens for years to come, but Ottawa knew they were rolling the dice with him coming off major knee surgery.

    by modsuperstar on Jan 12, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

    The only depth Ottawa has in prospects is D...

    One or two of Karlsson, Cowen, or Weircoch (can never spell that) would likely have to be included, along with a good, young roster player – Winchester, Foligno…

    He might be just a rental, but it’s Kovalchuk. He’s top five in the league. On a decent team he could destroy.

    by Percussivepiano on Jan 11, 2010 11:24 PM EST reply actions  

    Do you really feel this team is a rental away from the Cup, though?

    Because that’s the only scenario where trading for him makes any sense.

    by Mark Parisi on Jan 11, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

    I would love to have Kovalchuk in a Sens jersey, but I have to agree with Mark on this one. The timing and salary situation just make it too unrealistic.

    by Manthong on Jan 12, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

    I agree – Kovalchuk as rental makes no sense. But if the Sens received permission to talk to him ahead of time and they could agree to a long term deal, I’d be willing to give up quite a bit for him. As, I imagine, would most teams int he league.

    by Percussivepiano on Jan 12, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

    Ottawa looking for a centre?

    I was just browsing Canoe and saw them mentioning possible trade scenarios for a centre. Why not bring back Todd White? If they’re looking at these middling options anyways pick up White instead of the crap that’s currently on offer. The guy has produced here in Ottawa before, had a pretty solid season last year and might be revitalized coming back to the Sens. He’s a Kanata boy, so I’m sure he’d welcome it.

    by modsuperstar on Jan 12, 2010 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

    Forget about Kovalchuk!!!

    Waddell is no patsy. He would not trade an aging non-producing dangler and a dman who may or may not make it to the NHL and second rounders for his franchise player. There will have to be some first rounders in there once it’s all said and done, and as the Leafs are about to find out, NO ONE is worth two first rounders. Is Kovalchuk what the Sens need, especially since he will want $8 or $9 million a year, and where are you gonna find that kind of cap space? Is he a team player? The only possible solution I see is to wait for the deadline and trade rental players for draft picks and try to steal players through the draft. Nobody is interested in taking players we don’t want and paying them too much. If you look at the Stanley Cup contenders, you see that they are being lead by their young draft picks, mostly acquired because of not making the playoffs. The Pens won the cup with a first overall and two second overalls down the middle. The Sens still keep trying to win with one top line center. As great as FIsher is this year, I’ve always said that for the Sens to win they’d have to be good enough to have Fisher as the third line center. There is no quick easy solution… just building through the draft.

    by Marvellous on Jan 13, 2010 5:11 PM EST reply actions  

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