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Bye Bye, Brian Lee

(Ed's Note: The following is a FanPost from user Mark Parisi, which may or may not reflect the views of the editors at Silver Seven. You can read more FanPosts, or write your own, by looking to the sidebar on the right side of the page)

In demoting defenseman Brian Lee to the AHL today, the Ottawa Senators have sent him a very clear message about his future with the organization:  He has none. 

Lee, who was one of Ottawa’s better players in the 2007-08 first round loss to the Pittsburgh Penguins has not done himself any favors since then.  He has not looked close to being the same player, and last season split time between the AHL and NHL again.  In 53 games with the Senators last year, he only managed two goals and eleven assists, and was not a physical force on the ice.  That same unremarkable play has seemed to carry over to this year, which is confusing considering his pedigree:  Lee made the AHL All-Star game in 2007-08 and managed as a high school player to make the USA squad for the World Junior Hockey Championships.

 

But somewhere along the way, his development has stalled.  The fault for this probably lies with both the organization and the player, but it doesn’t appear that Lee fits in GM Bryan Murray’s plan for the team.  His reassignment to Binghamton means that the team thinks four teammates are better players than he is:  Matt Carkner, Alexandre Picard, Chris Campoli, and rookie Erik Karlsson.  Include Ottawa’s top three defensemen and Lee is completely buried in the organization.

 

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Is Lee that bad?  Probably not, given what we have seen him do in the past, but there can’t be much doubt that he has fallen out of favor with the team.  Coach Cory Clouston has seen Lee for three years now, including his AHL All-Star season, and here’s what he had to say about Lee after today’s reassignment:

"He’s got to go down and recapture his game. He’s got to be dominant."

 It would be silly to think that either Murray or Clouston believe Karlsson, who was called up with Lee’s reassignment, is going to come in and be "dominant" in only his 10th NHL game, so clearly there are other forces at work here.

 

Lee was part of former GM John Muckler’s penultimate draft class, and based on the fallout from Muckler’s subsequent dismissal – as well as the Murray-built Ducks team which beat the Senators in the Stanley Cup Finals that year – there is a marked philosophical difference between Murray and Muckler on defensemen.  One doesn’t need to look further than Murray’s most recent picks (Karlsson, Patrick Wiercioch, Jared Cowen, Chris Wideman, and Michael Sdao) to see that Murray values size and then skill.  In fact, only one defensemen, 2008 fifth-rounder Mark Borowiecki, resembles Brian Lee physically.  In addition, Murray did not hesitate to trade defenseman Joe Corvo when he asked to be moved. 

 

While I am at a loss to explain why Murray traded for Campoli and Picard given that their skill sets are so similar to Lee’s, I don’t believe it is coincidence that all three players are restricted free agents at the end of this year. It’s highly possible Murray only intends to keep one player, and move along the development of our younger defensemen faster than some of us (namely, me) would like.  With his demotion today, the odds are against that one player being Brian Lee. 

This FanPost was written by a member of the Silver Seven community, and does not necessarily reflect the beliefs or opinions of the site managers, editors, or Sports Blogs Nation, Inc.

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I’m not sure I agree on the whole Muckler/Murray distinction, simply because as you noted, Lee isn’t exceptionally different from a player like Picard, plus Wideman and Karlsson are both lacking size and are Murray-drafted D-men.

Aside from that though, lots of interesting stuff in there. Thanks for posting it, Mark.

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by DarrenM on Nov 27, 2009 4:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Darren.

It’s probably too early to make a true distinction between Murray and Muckler, but I do feel that Karlsson is the exception to the rule. I think that’s a situation where his upside is so great that his size could be overlooked. I don’t think Wideman and Borowiecki are NHL players (though Carkner made it, so who knows?) but the big guys like Cowen and Wiercioch will probably be in Ottawa sooner rather than later if the hype about them is to be believed.

by Mark Parisi on Nov 27, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am not sure I agree with you. While you raised many interesting points, but in my opinion Murray’s record with defensemen shows he covets a mixture of size and skill and the acquiring/retention of Picard, Lee, Campoli, and Karlsson shows how much he wants to develop a couple of elite puckmovers.

Further, I am also not convinced that this is about Lee and not Karlsson. Lee may be just a victim of his 2 way contract since if Murray sent down Picard or Campoli it would be messy.

If this was the case we would have to ask ourselves why would the sens want Karlsson back up despite the fact it would burn a year of his contract? I can think of 2 reasons.

1. They legitimately want him up. Keep in mind that Murray’s initial preference was to have Karlsson play in Ottawa. He has put up good numbers in the A, and if they feel he is comfortable playing on the small ice with big players, maybe they feel he is ready to be back with the big Sens. I would think this is more likely.

2. They are going to trade him. This would seem unlikely given his status as prospect A1 in the sens system. Perhaps Murray would be tempted if Chicago were offering a young forward with top end potential (we need one of those) who already has a decent cap hit, or the organization has given up on Karlsson and want to trade him while he is on a hot streak in the AHL (seems to early for this, and if that was so why would they showcase him. If a trade was in the works one would think it would take a lot to pry a potential top pairing puck mover from Murray’s hands.

by MObie on Nov 27, 2009 5:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Further note

If I am right it also show that Lee is not a priority for the Sens. Either way it sucks to be Brian Lee..

by MObie on Nov 27, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the past two years have shown that Brian Lee is not a priority anymore.

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by DarrenM on Nov 27, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s very clear that Murray wants to develop a couple of elite puck movers. I think that’s why we drafted Karlsson and traded for Kuba, Picard, and Campoli. I just don’t think Murray has any intention of keeping all of them, and I don’t think Lee fits into his long term plans at all.

I also think he covets a combination of size and skill — what GM wouldn’t? — which is the reason why Wiercioch was drafted, but I think when push comes to shove, he values size over skill.

by Mark Parisi on Nov 27, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think BM realized he went too far in other direction (away from skilled skaters and puck-movers) after losing Preissing, Corvo and Redden all within a year. He clearly was fully committed to building the defence around a concept of ‘grit’ and ‘character’ (among other bullshit terms) with signings like Richardson, Smith, trading for Commodore. And as it became more obvious that this approach wasnt working he started back in the other direction.

So what I’m suggesting here is that it’s a tale of two Murrays. I think he overacted after the 07 finals and what we got were a bunch of physical, one-dimensional d-men who couldnt skate or handle the puck much. I’m not saying he mis-managed the team in general, but in this regard he absolutely did.

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by Andrew J on Nov 27, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"A tale of two Murrays"

I couldn’t agree more. I’ve read that Murray strongly preferred Chara to Redden, and I think Chara would have made a big difference in the team’s Stanley Cup fortunes. I think after seeing our D consistently forechecked off of the puck, the knee-jerk reaction was to dump the guys he percieved as one-dimensional. Unfortunately, he replaced them with guys who were one-dimensional in a different way.

I’m not sure I’d go so far to say he mis-managed the defense corps, though I’m not far off from saying it myself — I don’t think the team has done a good job of developing Lee at all. I think he’s looking for a very specific skill set to compliment the thumpers we’ve got back there now, which is why he grabbed two guys similar to Lee. I honestly think he’s looking to see which one sticks and dump the other two, which would give him Phillips, Volchenkov, Carkner and Cowen as the bruisers and Kuba, Karlsson and X as the movers. It’s really not a bad set of players but it’s sure painful getting there.

by Mark Parisi on Nov 27, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post, Mark

Honestly, though, I don’t think this is the end for Brian Lee. It could be a sign that the end is near, but he’s still got the better part of a season to prove his worth. If there is a trade impending, I doubt it will be Lee heading out (although I guess that’s mostly just opinion).

As for the comparisons, they’re like shades of the same colour. Campoli is the least physical, Lee is somewhere in the middle, and Picard has the biggest physical upside. Picard and Campoli have strong shots, while Lee’s decent wrist shot is useless because he’s too scared to use it anyway.

by PeterR on Nov 27, 2009 9:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

COAST TO COAST

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by DarrenM on Nov 27, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha, true, I did forget about Lee's coast-to-coast goal

I wonder if it will make next year’s Rock’Em, Sock’Em video.

by PeterR on Nov 27, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Peter.

At this point, I think he’s had the better part of two years to prove his worth. You know I’m a Lee fan and I think the constant shuffling has seriously hampered his development, but he has also done nothing with his many chances.

I really believe he’s percieved as a Muckler guy and isn’t in Murray’s plans at all. At this point, most of his value is in where he was drafted. So, in that respect, I think he’s the best candidate to get traded. Campoli and Picard can’t tout the same draft status, which should mean he has the highest ceiling of the three.

by Mark Parisi on Nov 27, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Valid points

And yeah, he’s certainly had his chances. I guess we’ll see what happens within the next few months.

by PeterR on Nov 27, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

probably could’ve gotten Benoit Pouliot for him!

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by DarrenM on Nov 28, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brian Lee

I don’t think Murray cares who drafted Lee. Murray likes players who play with passion and have the ability to kick it up a notch when the pressure of the playoffs increases. Lee is more of the same the Senators have had for years. He is good at lots of things but brings nothing special to the table. No jam, no passion, no shot, nothing, really. He’s just there. Kind of like a poor man’s Wade Redden. Murray is trying to rebuild the Senators on the fly. Under Muckler they were bereft of high end prospects which has left the current edition of the Sens short of talent in the 22-26 year old age group. Murray will will keep manoeuvring until he can clear the deck of a lot of average talent. Lee is just one in an exodus that has been underway since Murray took over.

by Dumb-as-a-brick on Nov 28, 2009 7:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Brian Lee

With the new rules, a Dman who doesn’t hit hard needs to be a PP gunner. Lee is neither a hitter nor is he intelligent enough with the puck yet to be a full time NHL Dman. It takes some Dmen a long time to develop. Lee IMO was never worthy of being an early first round pick and at the time I said the Sens would regret picking him ninth overall. Carkner although not spectacular can play shutdown and he hits hard and does not give the puck away alot. Once he got over taking stupid penalties he’s been quite a surprise. He was the one who really stole Lee’s spot this year, because no one expected him to make it. It’s also possible that Lee like so many others will become a good Dman with some other organization. The Sens just realize that right now he’s not what they need, and because they are so desperate for PP production, they are gambling that little Karlsson is ready.

by Marvellous on Nov 29, 2009 12:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That’s a good point, actually. Carkner really did come in and steal Lee’s job right from under his nose, and I’m glad for it. I really didn’t give Carks much credit, but he must really have improved his game over the last calendar year in order to make it—last year, he didn’t even try out as a defenceman. Lee’s got plenty to work on.

by PeterR on Nov 29, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lee’s got plenty to work on.

Yeah, on another team.

by Mark Parisi on Nov 29, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A team called the Binghamton Senators.

I’m really curious what the market will be for the kid this off-season. Will he sign another two-way contract? Will the Senators even want him, at that? Will another team offer him a one-way deal?

by PeterR on Nov 29, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he gets a deal for sure from somebody else. Probably a two-way deal, but I wouldnt be shocked to see him sign a pro deal for 7 or 800K

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by Andrew J on Nov 29, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, you’re right, he’ll probably get a two-way deal. If it’s for $7-800k, which might be realistic, that’s a serious paycut from the $1.25M he’s making this year (which would be a full-year salary, and assumes he nets his rookie bonus). I don’t see how he gets more than $800k, though.

by PeterR on Nov 29, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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